Thai Government Alleged Plan To Kill Thaksin

[Jirapa]

Someone should 'take out' Jatuporn. No really, in Thaksin's day a guy like this would have had multiple multi-million baht law suits slapped on him for libel, and would have pipped down by now. Yeah, let the whole thing go to court, when he's failed to convince us all that 'get rid of' (probably the word 'ting' in Thai) does not mean kill someone, he should be fined for contempt of court and parliament, perhaps stripped of his MP status, better still banished to Dubai, and have his tongue cut out for good measure.

This <deleted> is everything Thailand doesn't want to be in the future, he's the archetypical dodgy, mouthy, unintelligent, deceptive politician we're trying to discourage. He serves to be a songteaw driver, no more.

Well said. I perfectly agree! The opposition is continously sitting on the fence and doing nothing other than blaming the government and making troubles. They want to change back to the old constitution, forgetting that the one in use was voted for by a majority of the people. This guy is so blatantly stupid.

Mitt....you might want to do a little research on this before you make comments.

1) The military tore up the 1997 "People's Constitution" and wrote a new one, which completely absolved them from their criminal acts.

2) They gave the people of Thailand 2 choices: 1) Vote for this one; 2) remain under martial law.

3) At the time of the vote, SIXTY PERCENT (60%) of the country WAS under martial law and not allowed to vote, which left only FORTY PERCENT (40%) of voters eligible, and even then it was passed by the BAREST of margins.

So, this constitution, aside from being illegal to begin with, was NOT voted on by the "majority", but by a minority, and even then it almost didn't make it.

Just1Voice, I suggest you follow your own advice and do some research before posing misleading statement presented as facts. There was no suspension of the right to vote in areas under martial law. In fact 57% of the eligible electorate of 46.3 million turned out for the ballot which would have been difficult is 60% of the country was not allowed to vote. The constitution was approved by 14.7 million voters and disapproved by 10.7 million, i.e. the margin was 11.7% of votes cast. Some may have been disappointed in the margin but your superlative language might lead other ignorant people to believe that it was perhaps less than 1%. The referendum was a simple yes or no vote. There was no explicit alternative presented, such as remaining under martial law as you suggest.

There is enough nonsense in TV posted by "shoot from the hip" posters with little or no knowledge of Thailand. Please don't add to the clutter.

My wife owns a small restaurant and the campaigners were out the otherday for local elections and came by the restaurant. She got 1000B handed to her in tips from the first campaigner, obviously as a vote incentive although that wasn't mentioned as that would be bribery. She got 1000B in tips from the next campaigner who passed by half an hour later. And finally a bottle of Red Label from the 3rd. Good thing is she recieved a bribe from each leaving her free to cast her single vote for the one she wanted without feeling guilty. Who says Thai politics aren't fair! Believe it or not that's a true story as I was there and spent some of the electoral proceeds on Archa and cigarettes as I don't drink whiskey.

Anyone who thinks elections in Thailand are fair and transparent is dreaming! Maybe the majority of news agencies worldwide are all wrong for slating the credability of the latest Thai election and military coups but I doubt it as the likes of AFP, Reuters, the BBC, etc... aren't controlled and censored by the military.

These foreign news agencies are far more knowledgable of what's going on in Thailand than yourself and the vast majority of Thai citizens as they gather their information from numerous sources from right accross the political spectrum. We're talking from rice farmers in the north, muslim fishermen in the deep south, business people in Bangkok to drug dealers and prostitutes and all the way up to the politicians and top military brass.

I think they know their stuff and report how it is and not the censored version you get from the Thai media. I know who I trust for a more balanced view on Thai and world affairs as I've worked with Reuters, AFP, BBC World, and numerous newspapers and news magazine publications in 5 different countries for 23 years. There are plenty of Newspaper Editors and Editors in Chief especially accross western europe with the balls to rock the political boat. That sadly is laking here!

I have some very high ranking friends in the Thai military and one whos a retired General from the Kings Guard so I have a pretty good insight as to what's going on here.

"There is enough nonsense in TV posted by "shoot from the hip" posters with little or no knowledge of Thailand." That's a fair statement!

Edited December 24, 2009 by Jirapa

[BangkokJazz]

3) At the time of the vote, SIXTY PERCENT (60%) of the country WAS under martial law and not allowed to vote, which left only FORTY PERCENT (40%) of voters eligible, and even then it was passed by the BAREST of margins.

What on earth are you talking about?

First of all, the nation was NOT under martial law in any general sense at the time of the election. And even if they would have declared it, which they did not, people would still be allowed to vote!

Who feeds you this nonsense?

Does it really matter? Everything in the process of this constitution was full of irregularities, from the selection of the drafting committee to the referendum itself.

Everybody were allowed to vote, but criticizing the draft was made a criminal act, so no public debate was possible. If people voted no, the junta would just pass any constitution of their liking instead.

This referendum was no more democratic than the elections held in the Soviet Union.

Nonsense. There was plenty of criticism and discussion openly about it. Stop rewriting history.

[BangkokJazz]

Frankly, vote buying doesn't bother me all that much. It happens all over the world. In the US, congressmen hold bills hostage to get lots of "pork"projects for their constituents, at taxpayer expense. At least here, the constituents get to eat a good meal out of it, or take grandma for a nice afternoon out.

[Robbie Dye]

After the forum now is going to solve the major political issues of a country that is not THEIRS:

Are there plans for making T'land a colony, and if yes: under custody of which nation?

Will this not impose international conflicts, if - say - Ghana takes over: This would lead to border conflicts with Cambodia transfered to other continents. (not sure on which side of the borders in question)

Would it not be better to stage another oil or terrorism crisis and let those take charge (or just - charge) who have most experience with such operations?

Merry Christmas, everyone

Send in a gunboat! Happy Christmas everyone and let's spend our time on more productive thinking on Thaivisa.com, long may it reign

[Brewsta]

Someone should 'take out' Jatuporn. No really, in Thaksin's day a guy like this would have had multiple multi-million baht law suits slapped on him for libel, and would have pipped down by now. Yeah, let the whole thing go to court, when he's failed to convince us all that 'get rid of' (probably the word 'ting' in Thai) does not mean kill someone, he should be fined for contempt of court and parliament, perhaps stripped of his MP status, better still banished to Dubai, and have his tongue cut out for good measure.

This <deleted> is everything Thailand doesn't want to be in the future, he's the archetypical dodgy, mouthy, unintelligent, deceptive politician we're trying to discourage. He serves to be a songteaw driver, no more.

Hey, I know some good Songteaw drivers, she takes my son to & fro to school every day, but I wouldn't trust that guy

"She-Guy" - interesting occupation(s)? TIT.

Brewsta

Edited December 24, 2009 by Brewsta

[Jirapa]

Thaksin should have been tackled a long time ago. Either in prison or a more "permanent" solution.

To those crying about "democracy" etc above look at the history of your own countries. People are removed forcefully, even by democratic governments.

Errrmmmmm???? When was the last time that happened in the UK? An unpopular PM might be asked to resign by his own party due to a dwindling popularity score, to which he might agree and save the party, but I can't remember any tanks rolling into Downing street in my life time nor that of my forefathers. Correct me if I'm wrong?

Margret Thatcher was forced to resign by the Tories due to a million man anti Poll Tax march to Trafalger Square. That resulted in an urban war between the police and protesters and the police admited defeat. For being the instigator of such massive and uncontrollable civil unrest she had to go and hand over her thrown to her second in command John Major. Again no tanks just police on horses who were fighting to protect the government not over throw it.

The European Union does not stand for military coups by it's member states. They'd be isolated and struck off which is a big price to pay so it doesn't happen!

[Jirapa]

Frankly, vote buying doesn't bother me all that much. It happens all over the world. In the US, congressmen hold bills hostage to get lots of "pork"projects for their constituents, at taxpayer expense. At least here, the constituents get to eat a good meal out of it, or take grandma for a nice afternoon out.

Doesn't bother me either. My wife got 2000B and a bottle of red label between the 3 parties standing. Might be better though if the parties actually communicated with one another so they don't try to bribe the same person. 3 bits of paper with farmers, shop owners and bars on them, put them in a hat, give it a shake and whatever you pull out is your bribe market for the day! Repeat again the next day in the next village. Ahh life could be so simple!

Edited December 24, 2009 by Jirapa

[ballpoint]

Hey, I know some good Songteaw drivers, she takes my son to & fro to school every day, but I wouldn't trust that guy

"She-Guy" - interesting occupation(s)? TIT.

Brewsta

Captain Common Sense to the rescue...

The songtaew driver is a female (she), Jatuporn is a male (guy). The poster trusts the songtaew driver, but he doesn't trust Jatuporn.

Next.

[Acharn]

The real problem is that a lot of Thais do take this creep Jatuporn serious, and actually look up to scum like this!

I don't have any strong opinion about whether Jatuporn is or is not a "creep" , but did you ever take a look at the deranged over-aged hippy wannabe's on the PAD stage during the four months or so they were illegally occupying Government House? There was one guy especially, bald on top with shoulder-length hair on the sides and a horrible scraggly beard, that used to really give me a feeling of nausea.

[Jingthing]

Thai Government Alleged Plan To Kill Thaksin, Reds: They were on track to kill him

For reals? Hmmmm. All hat, no cattle.

[Garry]

Hey, I know some good Songteaw drivers, she takes my son to & fro to school every day, but I wouldn't trust that guy

"She-Guy" - interesting occupation(s)? TIT.

Brewsta

Captain Common Sense to the rescue...

The songtaew driver is a female (she), Jatuporn is a male (guy). The poster trusts the songtaew driver, but he doesn't trust Jatuporn.

Next.

Thanks for the common sense BP, I didn't realise there was so many rocket scientists (eg: Brewsta) on the forum. I kind of thought it was fairly obvious what I meant as well

[ballpoint]

The real problem is that a lot of Thais do take this creep Jatuporn serious, and actually look up to scum like this!

I don't have any strong opinion about whether Jatuporn is or is not a "creep" , but did you ever take a look at the deranged over-aged hippy wannabe's on the PAD stage during the four months or so they were illegally occupying Government House? There was one guy especially, bald on top with shoulder-length hair on the sides and a horrible scraggly beard, that used to really give me a feeling of nausea.

He was the red shirt liaison officer, there to record the proceedings for Cambodia. I'm sure he left the stage at least once over the 4 months.

Honestly, what's this got to do with the current thread, or anything at all for that matter? Today I saw a fat, long haired, straggley bearded man holding children. I was nauseated, especially given the whiteness of his hair, his bright red suit and his constant "ho ho ho-ing". You don't have any strong opinion, but none the less you'll make a post about it. Jatuporn is a creep by his actions, not just his looks.

[Brewsta]

Hey, I know some good Songteaw drivers, she takes my son to & fro to school every day, but I wouldn't trust that guy

"She-Guy" - interesting occupation(s)? TIT.

Brewsta

Captain Common Sense to the rescue...

The songtaew driver is a female (she), Jatuporn is a male (guy). The poster trusts the songtaew driver, but he doesn't trust Jatuporn.

Next.

Thanks for the common sense BP, I didn't realise there was so many rocket scientists (eg: Brewsta) on the forum. I kind of thought it was fairly obvious what I meant as well

Oooops......sense of humour failure, folks?...... Anyways, Nappy Hoel to you and back to Canaveral for me, I guess

contritely,

Brewsta

[pammy123]

"The term "get rid of" is a codeword for killing,"

As my Skool teacher once told me... "Could do better"

I think your schoolteacher had a point

[Garry]

Oooops......sense of humour failure, folks?...... Anyways, Nappy Hoel to you and back to Canaveral for me, I guess

contritely,

Brewsta

All is forgiven Brewsta, but next time use a smiley eg: so that you automatically don't get tarred & feathered

[Brewsta]

Oooops......sense of humour failure, folks?...... Anyways, Nappy Hoel to you and back to Canaveral for me, I guess

contritely,

Brewsta

All is forgiven Brewsta, but next time use a smiley eg: so that you automatically don't get tarred & feathered

Fairee Muff

[groovyc]

"The term "get rid of" is a codeword for killing,"

As my Skool teacher once told me... "Could do better"

it comes all to the thai law sistem failure,in australia taksin be charge with treesen start terrorisem in the country ,thered leaders be all in jail for conspirecy with a criminal, the red october criminals be in for life. but that thailand we love criminals

Sorry but I am a bit confused... why are we comparing Thailand with Australia? How many times has the Aussie army taken over the govt within the last century to start with?

btw, just out of curiosity, are you Australian? Did they not have the IELTS test requirement when you migrated?

[webfact]

//Please stay on topic//

[webfact]

Foreign Ministry files charge against Jatuporn

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs Thursday filed a complaint charging Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn Prompan for libel related to his allegation about the ministerial involvement in a secret plan to kill fugitive ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra.

MFA deputy spokesman Thanee Thonpakdee launched the legal proceedings with the Crime Suppression Division.

"The MFA decided to take action after consulting with the Office of the Attorney General," Thani said in reference to the legal advice of public prosecutors on how to contain the damage caused by Jatuporn's defamatory remarks.

Jatuporn made the unauthorised disclosure of a classified memorandum sent by Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya to the prime minister analysing the Thai-Cambodian ties. He asserted that the ministerial plan to "get rid of" Thaksin, seen as the root cause for the soured bilateral relations, was actually a code word for killing. The MFA rigorously denied his allegation.

CSD acting commander Maj General Supisarn Bhakdinarinath said the investigation into the alleged defamation will proceed under the supervision of the Central Investigation Bureau.

-- The Nation 2009/12/24

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

[hammered]

Jatuporn is just trying to incite hatred and division. That is his role in team red. The more mundane claims come from different spokepersons and the outrageous ones that never involve any real evidence come from Jatuporn. Look to who is speaking for the reds to decide on potentail veracity of claim.

The asset seizure case is coming to conclusion and the Thaksin side need a game changer or enhanced hand before it does. Jatuporn is going to try and stir before a demo. The same happened before Songkhran alkthough the rather odd egocentric Jakrapob did the firing up then.

[TPI]

Genius!!

Hear,hear!

[baht&sold]

There may or may not be any plots to er plot Mr Thaksin, but Frank squarely wants his dam_n money back pronto

(and importantly a chance to double-up;)

NOTHING whatsoever to with 'democracy' or 'assisting the poor' (rather assisting oneself, period, end of)

Suggestion?

The entire Puea Thai party could perhaps move to their adopted Cambodia HQ (shared by the boss)

Or:

Declare N & NE Thailand an autonomous region with Dr Thaksin as economic adviser & leader for life...

(shouldn't take too long before villagers amass with torches and round on his fortress ala Dr Frankenstein;)

[IvanDobsky]

Frankly, vote buying doesn't bother me all that much. It happens all over the world. In the US, congressmen hold bills hostage to get lots of "pork"projects for their constituents, at taxpayer expense. At least here, the constituents get to eat a good meal out of it, or take grandma for a nice afternoon out.

Doesn't bother me either. My wife got 2000B and a bottle of red label between the 3 parties standing. Might be better though if the parties actually communicated with one another so they don't try to bribe the same person. 3 bits of paper with farmers, shop owners and bars on them, put them in a hat, give it a shake and whatever you pull out is your bribe market for the day! Repeat again the next day in the next village. Ahh life could be so simple!

2000baht AND a bottle of red label?

my wife only got offered 300baht at the voting station, we must live in the wrong province, stupid red safe seat!

The "get rid of" aspect of this thread reminds me of the "let him have it" story from the 1950's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_Him_Have_It

Merry Christmas everyone

[BigBuddha]

Just wondering what reactions there will be on this forum when the news said Thaksin is plotting to "get rid", "kill " Abisit.

something like this will come out from the brainless anti-Thaksin followers...."Yes, he showed his true colors"."..the murderer he his is showing up.""..knew it all along he was a monster in disguise..". if not worst shit being spouted out....just extremely dumb ass comments...I hope more people have the guts on this forum to side up with the repressed poor of Thailand....still no matter what a coup is extremely undemocratic...and the ones ruling Thailand now is an undemocratic, and tirannical government....an extension of the greedy rich who tries to keep the majority of the poor and the peasants poor and dumb..in order for them to extract their last drop of blood.

It will never work to keep them dumb and ignorant for the rest of their lives....not in this era of the Information Technology....

The "Krakatoa volcano" will explode again...blowing to bits the small minority of the rich trying to preserve its status quo...it is like a timebomb ticking away....and the masses will eventual overcome....the reds representing the massive red boiling lava of resentment...the yellow the oxygen deprived flames on top ...that is about to be extinguished by the winds of change...... .lets hope it won't be a full scale civil war...and that it will help Thailand to evolve into better educated people coming out of their slumps of existence.

[nonghoidave]

After the forum now is going to solve the major political issues of a country that is not THEIRS:

Are there plans for making T'land a colony, and if yes: under custody of which nation?

Will this not impose international conflicts, if - say - Ghana takes over: This would lead to border conflicts with Cambodia transfered to other continents. (not sure on which side of the borders in question)

Would it not be better to stage another oil or terrorism crisis and let those take charge (or just - charge) who have most experience with such operations?

Merry Christmas, everyone

"Aren't you glad Thailand was never colonized, Sompong?"

"For the most part, I would say yes. Then again, knowing the nature of Thais as I do, had we been colonized I am certain that the colonizers would have ended up being far more exploited than us."

Quote from the book "At the Bamboo Bar" by Morgan McFinn

For something completely unrelated....I do believe anyone born in the USA is a US citizen.

[Publicus]

Just wondering what reactions there will be on this forum when the news said Thaksin is plotting to "get rid", "kill " Abisit.

something like this will come out from the brainless anti-Thaksin followers...."Yes, he showed his true colors"."..the murderer he his is showing up.""..knew it all along he was a monster in disguise..". if not worst shit being spouted out....just extremely dumb ass comments...I hope more people have the guts on this forum to side up with the repressed poor of Thailand....still no matter what a coup is extremely undemocratic...and the ones ruling Thailand now is an undemocratic, and tirannical government....an extension of the greedy rich who tries to keep the majority of the poor and the peasants poor and dumb..in order for them to extract their last drop of blood.

It will never work to keep them dumb and ignorant for the rest of their lives....not in this era of the Information Technology....

The "Krakatoa volcano" will explode again...blowing to bits the small minority of the rich trying to preserve its status quo...it is like a timebomb ticking away....and the masses will eventual overcome....the reds representing the massive red boiling lava of resentment...the yellow the oxygen deprived flames on top ...that is about to be extinguished by the winds of change...... .lets hope it won't be a full scale civil war...and that it will help Thailand to evolve into better educated people coming out of their slumps of existence.

And a Merry Christmas to you too. 

[backsoon]

Jatuporn is just trying to incite hatred and division. That is his role in team red. The more mundane claims come from different spokepersons and the outrageous ones that never involve any real evidence come from Jatuporn. Look to who is speaking for the reds to decide on potentail veracity of claim.

The asset seizure case is coming to conclusion and the Thaksin side need a game changer or enhanced hand before it does. Jatuporn is going to try and stir before a demo. The same happened before Songkhran alkthough the rather odd egocentric Jakrapob did the firing up then.

THAT'S IT! I'M OUTTA HERE. NOBODY wants or can give any facts! I have asked twice to no avail.

CONCLUSION: just a blabbering bunch, who do not know what they say.

Merry X-Mas to all. And shut up.

[MAJIC]

What took them so long? He should have been offed years ago.

[MAJIC]

What took them so long? He should have been offed years ago.

[MAJIC]

Could you please “Get rid of the Trash over there”? Now when my father said this he didn’t want me to kill the trash just clean it up. Just like this whole mess they don’t want to kill Mr. T. just put him were he belongs. In this case jail.