Abhisit Denies Thai Govt Plan To Stage Coup In Cambodia

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Abhisit denies Thai govt plan to stage coup in Cambodia

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva categorically denied that his government planned to stage a coup to topple the Hun Sen government.

Abhisit was responding to allegations made by Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen.

"The Thai government will never do such a thing," Abhisit said.

He said his government has a policy to maintain good ties with neighbouring countries without using force.

He said the Thai government would not interfere in Cambodia's internal affairs and has never criticised Cambodian politics.

-- The Nation 2009/12/25

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[Publicus]

Again, this claim directly by Hun Sen himself is reported in other news media (standard news agencies), and is ascribed to the now well known MFA document from Kasit to Abhisit so I'm surprised Jatuporn didn't include this bogus claim in with his wild assassination drivel.

Hun Sen claims to have seen the Kasit document and to have forwarded it to King Norodom Sihamoni to show the "bad characters of our neighboring leaders" to include consideration of war against Cambodia.

These claims are getting more wild and loony by the day.

Hun Sen with his economics advisor Thaksin are in league together to topple the Abhisit government. I'd joked at another thread that Frank in his frustration may buy a coup in Cambo so he could become PM of something again, and something closely resembling things Thai, but this hilarity might outdo my own mild humor.

[frodo]

Hun Sen with his economics advisor 'Frank' Thaksin are in league together to topple the Abhisit government. I'd joked at another thread that Frank in his frustration may buy a coup in Cambo so he could become PM of something again, and something closely resembling things Thai, but this hilarity might outdo my own mild humor.

Thaksin and his ilk, the UDD (Undermining & Damning Democracy), certainly are showing the way for "true democracy." Run under the skirts of the Cambodian King and PM and maybe try to buy a coup, create damage to one's home country, and fabricate nonsense. Jataporn and his UDD, instead of helping to solve problems for Thailand, perform acts which in other countries would be treason. They continue to claim how pure and democratic they are. Sad part is that people actually believe them.

[wintermute]

Hun Sen with his economics advisor 'Frank' Thaksin are in league together to topple the Abhisit government. I'd joked at another thread that Frank in his frustration may buy a coup in Cambo so he could become PM of something again, and something closely resembling things Thai, but this hilarity might outdo my own mild humor.

Thaksin and his ilk, the UDD (Undermining & Damning Democracy), certainly are showing the way for "true democracy." Run under the skirts of the Cambodian King and PM and maybe try to buy a coup, create damage to one's home country, and fabricate nonsense. Jataporn and his UDD, instead of helping to solve problems for Thailand, perform acts which in other countries would be treason. They continue to claim how pure and democratic they are. Sad part is that people actually believe them.

I thought anti-royalty type statements were not allowed on Thaivisa even if they pertain to another country..

[Credo]

Seems this madness comes from the government, not the Thaksin crew.

Fortunately, this government is rather inept and can't seem to accomplish much. I think a coup in Cambodia is pretty unlikely. Now if the military wants to do something, I would be a little worried.

[Scott]

Remarks concerning the monarchy of another country is considered defamation and is covered in the criminal code of Thailand. The remarks thus far seem to within the bounds of reason, since they do not attack the monarchy.

Please exercise care, however, in reference to the monarch.

[Briggsy]

Many Khmers believe that Thailand wishes to have both Preah Vihear and Angkor Wat (Nakhorn Wat) within its borders. Do not forget these kind of statements go down very well at home. There might even be some truth in them.

[Publicus]

Many Khmers believe that Thailand wishes to have both Preah Vihear and Angkor Wat (Nakhorn Wat) within its borders. Do not forget these kind of statements go down very well at home. There might even be some truth in them.

If we mean by coup in Cambodia that Thailand would engineer the military there to install a government more favorable to the Thai government, which leaders of any such junta would support such claims by LOS? In Cambodia the claims are rejected in the absolute and it's clear that the traitors and treasonous ones are on this side of the border.

[dom samui]

He also said that the misunderstanding by Pm Hun Sen was caused by him receiving misguided and inaccurate information from a political camp in Thailand....... But The Nation doesn't need to mention....

[Loaded]

When Hun Sen needed to win an election a few years ago he claimed the famous Thai actress Gop Suwanan said that Angkor Wat belonged to Thailand. The Cambodians then burned the Thai embassy down. I was there at the time. Before he picked on poor Gob he would claim the Vietnamese - their old adversary - were up to no good on the border just before elections. This recent announcement is playing to the masses and also Abhisit has come out and responded, which is daft, as now the claim will look as though it's been taken seriously by Thailand. Hun Sen is a lot smarter than the current Thai government.

[alant]

how strange, i never would have expected they (or anyone) would deny (or is it denie) such a thing. honest guv i aint about to mug the guy. i mean would you admit you were planning to intervene in another countries running (americans need not answer)?

not that the thai government were as clearly stated

[Gary A]

I would think that Abhisit while appointing Kasit to pay back his benefactors would have now come to the conclusion that Kasit, in addition to approving closing the airport has caused Thailand enough problems. He's a loose cannon and needs to be replaced.

[Chunkton]

The notion that Thailand would ever be involved in any way to stage a coup to overthrow an elected government is patently absurd.

[Scott]

I have no idea who "Frank" is, so further references without a reasonable explanation will result in posts being deleted.

[caf]

Hun Sen with his economics advisor 'Frank' Thaksin are in league together to topple the Abhisit government. I'd joked at another thread that Frank in his frustration may buy a coup in Cambo so he could become PM of something again, and something closely resembling things Thai, but this hilarity might outdo my own mild humor.

Thaksin and his ilk, the UDD (Undermining & Damning Democracy), certainly are showing the way for "true democracy." Run under the skirts of the Cambodian King and PM and maybe try to buy a coup, create damage to one's home country, and fabricate nonsense. Jataporn and his UDD, instead of helping to solve problems for Thailand, perform acts which in other countries would be treason. They continue to claim how pure and democratic they are. Sad part is that people actually believe them.

And you are immune from believing propaganda are you?

There are a lot of suppositions in your post and you show your lese majeste credentials in your reference to the skirts of the king of Cambodia

[Scott]

The references up to now about the monarch are within the bounds of reason and I think the remark can be taken figuratively rather than in a literal sense.

Again, exercise care.

[Changian]

The notion that Thailand would ever be involved in any way to stage a coup to overthrow an elected government is patently absurd.

Unless of course the elected government was the one in Thailand . . . in which case it would be commonplace.

[toptuan]

The notion that Thailand would ever be involved in any way to stage a coup to overthrow an elected government is patently absurd.

Any government set up by a coup in its own country wouldn't blink at doing the same in another country, if it served its own purpose. Duh.

[baht&sold]

"Frank"= His Excellency, His Eminence, The Right Honourable Mr Thaksin. The one whom some clamour to kiss his ring finger (or ass, so to speak, within current reference;).

"Frank" was the popular term given to HE Mr Thaksin by the 'once pleased' Man City fans (until the penny dropped, as it always does). Frank was in reference to Frank Sinatra, famous for 'Myyyyy Waaaayyyyyy'... (which ironically still resonates for HE Mr Thaksin and his fan club)

We all good here then?

Edited December 25, 2009 by baht&sold

[TAWP]

There are a lot of suppositions in your post and you show your lese majeste credentials in your reference to the skirts of the king of Cambodia

Seriously, now you are going to be a LM proponent since you think you can attack Frodo with it?

[Publicus]

There are a lot of suppositions in your post and you show your lese majeste credentials in your reference to the skirts of the king of Cambodia

Seriously, now you are going to be a LM proponent since you think you can attack Frodo with it?

Yeh, as has been pointed out more than once by mod, no LM has occurred so far. Mod has clearly cautioned against trying to do so. 

This unsavory business of trying a new Red-Thaksin tack of desperately trying to invoke LM laws, by their misapplication, and seeking to dictatorally silence or to try to intimidate those who disagree with them, is falling flat on its square pie face.

Yet it's samo samo for every other trick the pro Thaksin gangs at TV have been trying to accomplish by parliamentary or extra parliamentary means.

As in "I don't support Thaksin but........"

Who's kidding whom??? 

 

Edited December 25, 2009 by Publicus

[Richard W]

Any government set up by a coup in its own country wouldn't blink at doing the same in another country, if it served its own purpose.

1. The Thai military currently lacks the stomach for another coup in Thailand.

2. The current government is on a legally sound basis - there's been ample opportunity for MPs to go back on any arm-twisting that induced the formation of the current coalition.

3. A responsible government would have to consider the possibility of an attempted coup abroad failing - and non-PPP governments since Thaksin have not been reckless.

[mca]

The notion that Thailand would ever be involved in any way to stage a coup to overthrow an elected government is patently absurd.

Oh the irony.

[mca]

The references up to now about the monarch are within the bounds of reason and I think the remark can be taken figuratively rather than in a literal sense.

So you'd allow the post to stand if it was in reference to a certain other SE Asian monarch Scott?

Genuine question.

Edited December 25, 2009 by mca

[Scott]

No, I would not allow the remark to stand if it were in reference to another monarch.

How far reaching the Thai gov't might want to go with the law is something I don't know and don't really want to be a part of finding out. The primary reason for citing the law and watching references made about the Cambodian monarchy is because there is little reason to believe that there is an active role in the current political situation. If posters simply wish to make idle speculation with no basis, then the post has little value and I see no reason to let it remain.

The situation seems to be a political one and involves Hun Sen, Abhisit and the Thai government. I am not sure and haven't seen posts which reflect the role played by other Cambodian politicians, which would be of significant interest to the thread.

[mca]

No, I would not allow the remark to stand if it were in reference to another monarch.

I'm sure the LM law covers the Cambodian monarch as well but naturally it's your call as a mod.

Edited December 25, 2009 by mca

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PM denies coup charge from Hun Sen

By THE NATION

Published on December 26, 2009

The government yesterday denied Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen's accusation of plotting to stage a coup to topple the government in Phnom Penh.

"The Thai government will never do such a thing," Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said, and added his government had a policy to maintain good ties with neighbouring countries.

He said the Thai government would not interfere in Cambodia's internal affairs and had never criticised Cambodian politics.

Relations between Thailand and Cambodia plunged after Hun Sen appointed former Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra as his adviser. The two countries downgraded diplomatic relations and there are no moves to normalise ties.

Prime Minister Abhisit turned down Indonesia's offer to mediate, saying he had already explained his side of the story to President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and hoped that such an explanation could help.

However relations look unlikely to improve in the near future. Hun Sen was quoted by Agence France-Presse as saying in a speech at a provincial ceremony on Thursday that he had seen a secret Thai government document outlining a plan to mount a coup.

"You have outlined bad scenarios, including preparing to wage war against Cambodia," Hun Sen said.

Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban said Cambodia might have received incorrect information from ousted prime minister Thaksin.

Suthep insisted the Thai government had never thought of intervention in Cambodian politics and Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva was a champion of democracy who would never stoop to destroy the neighbouring country through other means.

The information Cambodia has received from Thaksin and opposition Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn Promphan is incorrect and it might have misled the Cambodian leader, Suthep said.

The Foreign Ministry on Thursday lodged a complaint with the police, charging key leaders of the anti-government red-shirt group with publicising confidential documents and libel following a leak of the ministry's classified document on relations between Thailand and Cambodia.

Army chief Anupong Paochinda said he did not expect any Thai people would be involved in politics in the neighbouring country.

-- The Nation 2009/12/26

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[LomSak27]

Biggsy posts

Many Khmers believe that Thailand wishes to have both Preah Vihear and Angkor Wat (Nakhorn Wat) within its borders. Do not forget these kind of statements go down very well at home. There might even be some truth in them.

Yes it is most unfortunate that statements to this affect have been made and Cambodians citizens have had the temerity to read about them. It's like even if Abhsit is telling the truth (50/50 there) why would Cambodians believe him. You make your bed you lie in it

[Credo]

From these reports the documents are real and have been leaked. Abhisit in general, and Kasit in particular, had better get a handle on what is going on in the government. It's not all that uncommon for governments to have various scenarios--although I think they are usually confined to the military.

Obviously, the government needs to revamp it's access to confidential information. Mai pen rai doesn't seem to work so well in this case.

[Thailand]

Even is there were such a plot by Thailand to stage a coup elsewhere they would hardly confirm it would they?

Hence a denial seems to be pointless and fuel to any conspiracy claims. Simply yet again falling prey to the baiting from over the border.