Overstaying = Denial Of Future Tr Visa?

[cdnmatt]

Ok, a few fun facts:

- 28yo Canadian

- Currently have two 60 day TR VISAs in my passport. First one, I stayed 45 days, and second one I got the extension and have almost stayed 90 days now.

- So in the past 6 months, I've stayed about 130 days in Thailand. Before that, I hadn't been to Thailand in about two years. Came with a new, empty passport this trip.

- To help someone I love and care about, I'll be overstaying the 90 days for two to three days.

I know at the airport, I just pay the 500 baht/day fee, get a overstay stamp in my passport, and onward I go. No problems. I'm curious, if I have that overstay stamp, am I still eligible to obtain another TR? Or will they just automatically deny me? I'm just looking to get one more TR, before I head back to Canada to obtain a proper 12 month non-imm.

Any insight would be appreciated. Oh, and both TRs were issued in Kuala Lumpur (it's convenient, as my parents live there). Would it be ok to apply again in KL, or best to go somewhere else like Singapore or Laos?

Thanks in advance!

[lopburi3]

There should not be any problem under current policy but you do have the option to visit Immigration with your ticket out and obtain 7 days for 1,900 baht and not get any overstay stamp or the small risk of being detained prior to getting to the airport.

[DegenFarang]

Somebody recently reported overstaying 8 years and leaving in December and reported back that he got out with no problems and was told he is welcome to re-enter the country. Another third hand report had somebody else overstaying 21 years and having the same experience - no marks in the passport and an invitation to return.

So in all probability you will have no issues. That said, this is Thailand so they may well change the rules at any given time or any given immigration officer may choose to interpret the rules however they see fit. But most likely you will have no problems.

[Crossy]

You will be fined 500 Baht per day overstay at the airport and will get a stamp stating that you've overstayed.

IF you get caught before you get to the airport there could be problems, involving the IDC and deportation

Currently there are no restrictions on entry for those who have overstayed in the past, obviously this policy could change.

If it's 3 days then that will cost 1500 plus a stamp in your PP, OR as noted above you can ask for a 7 day extension at immigration for 1900 and no overstay stamp (you will need your outgoing ticket).

Up 2 you

[cdnmatt]

Excellent, so it's no problems. Thanks for the help everyone!

Can't get the extension, as I don't have the flight out yet. It's one of those day-by-day, hour-by-hour things. Once it's settled, I'm in a taxi to BKK, and paying cash for the first flight out.

Not worried about the police, and we don't go anywhere they'd visit whatsoever. The only place we go that you might think the police would do a random drug & ID check every once in a while is owned by the police themselves, so no worries.

Nonetheless, thanks again for all your help. Appreciate it!

[torrenova]

And so another young life asks a question, is told how to arrange to stay legal and then decides to break the immigration laws and states that he doesn't worry about the police etc.

Then why bother asking ?

One day, they will flip the rule and everyone will be hauled up and though I once had an overstay on my medical grounds, it would not be too soon. When they are giving out free tourist visas, why cannot people just stay legal ? I would haul up every overstay and bang them up for a few days.

[tygerstar]

Somebody recently reported overstaying 8 years and leaving in December and reported back that he got out with no problems and was told he is welcome to re-enter the country. Another third hand report had somebody else overstaying 21 years and having the same experience - no marks in the passport and an invitation to return.

Assuming that the average western passport is valid for 10 years max, how can they be let out of the country without a valid travel document?

[cdnmatt]

And so another young life asks a question, is told how to arrange to stay legal and then decides to break the immigration laws and states that he doesn't worry about the police etc.

Then why bother asking ?

One day, they will flip the rule and everyone will be hauled up and though I once had an overstay on my medical grounds, it would not be too soon. When they are giving out free tourist visas, why cannot people just stay legal ? I would haul up every overstay and bang them up for a few days.

A bit melodramatic, no? Take your pick:

1.) Stick it out in Thailand, and help someone you really love and care about, but overstay your visa a few days.

2.) Abandon that person, use the flimsy excuse that you have to abide by immigration law, which both of you know is bullshit, and leave that person crying. All just to abide by a law that is very lax as is. Really now, I'm overstaying a tourist visa by a few days. It's not like I'm packing ICE across the border here.

Which would you pick? I choose #1, because the worst thing to happen is say a 1500 baht fine, and a red stamp in my passport that apparently doesn't equate to shit. And my question was whether or not overstaying would make me ineligible for a future TR VISA. The answer was no, which is great. Again, I don't know when I'm leaving yet, but just know it's asap. I need to get to Malaysia.

I would haul up every overstay and bang them up for a few days.

I have to ask, why would you want to do that? How is that possibly going to help Thailand in any shape or form? That's just you being bitter, and wanting to teach people a lesson for no apparent reason.

[cdnmatt]

Somebody recently reported overstaying 8 years and leaving in December and reported back that he got out with no problems and was told he is welcome to re-enter the country. Another third hand report had somebody else overstaying 21 years and having the same experience - no marks in the passport and an invitation to return.

Assuming that the average western passport is valid for 10 years max, how can they be let out of the country without a valid travel document?

As long as your flight is heading back to your home country, they'll let you leave.

[DegenFarang]

Somebody recently reported overstaying 8 years and leaving in December and reported back that he got out with no problems and was told he is welcome to re-enter the country. Another third hand report had somebody else overstaying 21 years and having the same experience - no marks in the passport and an invitation to return.

Assuming that the average western passport is valid for 10 years max, how can they be let out of the country without a valid travel document?

Technically an embassy is soil of the country who occupies it - so when I go to the US Embassy to get a new Passport I'm going to the United States. If my passport were about to expire and my Thai Visa had expired, I see no reason why the US Embassy would fail to give me a new passport or for them to turn me into the Thai authorities for overstaying my visa. Getting a new passport at the embassy has nothing to do with my current ability to be in Thailand.

This is just speculation, however I see no reason why it wouldn't work that way, unless they have some agreement with the Thai government to turn in those who are overstaying if they go into the embassy.

[lopburi3]

1. You must have travel document to depart. Your embassy will provide - either a passport or special paperwork.

2. OP - Immigration matters are not bull. And people do go to jail and are black listed and are fined. It is not exactly smart to ignore sound advise. You may not fall through the ice this trip across the lake but you are taking a needless chance.