Big Pharma

[H2oDunc]

I could not sleep last night so listened to some talk radio I had downloaded from Rense. Now I know you get the odd loon tune on there but the lady last night was a doctor and what she was saying made a great deal of sense when you actually thought about it. She was saying how the big Pharmacy companies do not want to cure any disease as there is no profit in it for them to do so but keep us hooked on the treatment. The last real thing to be so called cured was polio and that was years ago and is making a comeback now.

Then she was talking about how the big companies are in the process of banning natural herbs and supplements througout Europe and the USA in favour of manufactured one that they produce. She then said that Thailand had efectively banned 13 herb by classifying them as hazardous,class1

She said they had banned the following

Citronella grass,

>chilli, tumeric, ginger, Chinese ginger, Chinese celery, neem, African

>marigold, glory lilly, Siam weed, stemona, and tea seed cake.

This bit I found rather hard to believe but this morning checked it out and all she was saying is true. This whole thing is frightening. There has been some coverage in the newspaper we cannot link to but there is also these.

http://www.frangipani.com/huahin/deadly%20spices.htm

http://www.mail-archive.com/sustainablelor...g/msg73936.html

It requires growers, manufacturers, importers and exporters of pesticide and plant disease control substances to follow safety and quality control regulations, otherwise they will face six months in jail and/or a fine of 50,000 baht. <deleted>!!!!

Very sinister indeed if the are allowed to get away with it. The same type of legislation is going through the houses in both the EU and the USA.

[robblok]

i believe part of it, there is of course no profit in curing disease its better to keep people hooked on medicine. Aids is a nice example of it i wonder if they really want to cure it or just suppress it so you have to take their pills all your life. It makes no business sense what so ever to cure disease and these are out to make money. The government should have their own researchers who are independent from big pharma

Its a bit crazy to classify those herbs as dangerous they tried to do the same with herbal pesticides because it would be competition with the chemical ones from the big companies.

[H2oDunc]

That's exactly what thewy are doing though. They are getting successive Governments to ban the natural supplements and pesticides so they can force people to buy the man made ones. There are bills going through the European parliaments now doing just that. They are even trying to ban vitamins. The same in the USA. Senator Mac Cain is trying to force through a bill which will basically ban people from buying vitamins and supplements. see here

http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=6714 also have a look here

http://www.healthfreedom.org/

Truly frightening. Look at the scare tactics used for the H1N1 virus. Governments Governments fast tracked vaccines that had NO testing and then bought BILLIONS of doses at who knows how much and all for what. It amounted to something no worse than normal flu.

Whatever your politics This is beyond that. People need to sit up and take notice before it is too late.

[SeanMoran]

Truly frightening. Look at the scare tactics used for the H1N1 virus. Governments Governments fast tracked vaccines that had NO testing and then bought BILLIONS of doses at who knows how much and all for what. It amounted to something no worse than normal flu.

Whatever your politics This is beyond that. People need to sit up and take notice before it is too late.

It is rather life-threatening in some situations, the main side-effect that asthmatics have to survive being the clever change from CFC to HFA inhalers, which is taking place in the USA around now, although Australia copped this devisive maneovre ten years ago, so now we have to take prednisolone most of the time, which they're trying to ban in pill form, and only market in plastic-packed aluminium inhalers which provide 10% of the dosage at ten times the price - for the plastic and aluminium in the disposable canister.

That's the only one I can claim personal experience with, but it is plain to see that these drug dealers are actively working on schemes to make us pay for our own lives, or die. As for relevance to Thailand, one of the main reasons I came backi here in December was the availability of prednisolone, but that's getting scarcer now than it was a few years ago, because of the propaganda from these pharmaceutical companies that you mention.

[bkkjames]

I cooked dinner the other night using chilli and some saffron - will that put on the do not fly list you suppose?

[H2oDunc]

Saffron is OK but the chill's. JEEZ man it will be yabbaa next. That's if you live to try it. hazardous class 1 you know. That's got to be dangerous yes ?

Just found this that the Europeans are now pushing through

Codex dietary supplement standards are expected to mirror those currently being built into European guidelines, where the maximum limit for beta carotene would be the amount found in half a large carrot, while that for selenium would be no more than what is typically available in one third of a Brazil nut!

Veggies, vegans and all round tree huggers are soon to be a thing of the past it seems

I thought they were joking at first but the more you look into it the more scary it gets. Can anybody actually say they want this or have voted for this ?

Just who on earth comes up with all these laws ?

I also read that the WHO were close to forcing EVERYBODY to be inoculated against H1N1 but they bottled out at the last minute as there were not enough deaths to merit it even though they had been granted the power to do so from most Governments. Again the thought of being made to take a drug that has had zero testing is alarming to say the least.

Edited February 17, 2010 by H2oDunc

[bkkjames]

Saffron is OK but the chill's. JEEZ man it will be yabbaa next. That's if you live to try it. hazardous class 1 you know. That's got to be dangerous yes ?

Just found this that the Europeans are now pushing through

Codex dietary supplement standards are expected to mirror those currently being built into European guidelines, where the maximum limit for beta carotene would be the amount found in half a large carrot, while that for selenium would be no more than what is typically available in one third of a Brazil nut!

Veggies, vegans and all round tree huggers are soon to be a thing of the past it seems

I thought they were joking at first but the more you look into it the more scary it gets. Can anybody actually say they want this or have voted for this ?

Just who on earth comes up with all these laws ?

I also read that the WHO were close to forcing EVERYBODY to be inoculated against H1N1 but they bottled out at the last minute as there were not enough deaths to merit it even though they had been granted the power to do so from most Governments. Again the thought of being made to take a drug that has had zero testing is alarming to say the least.

Yep, global recession, nah, let's start a panic to fix that bottom line.

[mahtin]

And here's a non-Thai scam: Statins. Biggest con ever.

After the cardiologists nearly killed me I stopped all Big Pharma products.

Now I just need a source of buffered Vitamin C (sodium ascorbate) and L-Lysine in Thailand.

[H2oDunc]

Yep all soon to be banned. I kid you not!

[peanut]

Don't you just love a good conspiracy theory... The Pharmas are out to make all of us sick!!... a bit too far-fetched. Let's be serious, yes, of course they want to make a profit and I'm not saying it's all perfect (I,too, know of a few things happening that disgust me) but they also saved many lives with their products. Most meds that are commercially available do work. Which you can't say about the supplement companies - most of their products don't do anything and they are a rip-off.

I find it hard to believe any of that and the sources you link to don't seem too reliable.

Are you seriously telling me that someone will ban "chilli"?? How would that be possible when it's a common ingredient in Thai food.

What they are probably trying to do, if there is any truth in what you say, is to regulate supplements more rigorously, which is probably not such a bad idea - in the US at least there is no control regarding supplements - that is, they could put whatever in that pill and sell it to you as vitamin C. You wouldn't know the difference anyway. But I guess you forgot that that is also a huge money-making industry, a lot more plagued by scams?

[SeanMoran]

Don't you just love a good conspiracy theory... The Pharmas are out to make all of us sick!!... a bit too far-fetched. Let's be serious, yes, of course they want to make a profit and I'm not saying it's all perfect (I,too, know of a few things happening that disgust me) but they also saved many lives with their products. Most meds that are commercially available do work. Which you can't say about the supplement companies - most of their products don't do anything and they are a rip-off.

I find it hard to believe any of that and the sources you link to don't seem too reliable.

Are you seriously telling me that someone will ban "chilli"?? How would that be possible when it's a common ingredient in Thai food.

What they are probably trying to do, if there is any truth in what you say, is to regulate supplements more rigorously, which is probably not such a bad idea - in the US at least there is no control regarding supplements - that is, they could put whatever in that pill and sell it to you as vitamin C. You wouldn't know the difference anyway. But I guess you forgot that that is also a huge money-making industry, a lot more plagued by scams?

We cannot eat money. Goodnight lucky man.

[Wrong Turn]

And here's a non-Thai scam: Statins. Biggest con ever.

There was a recent article on statins last week.

A medical article that now questions many of the effects of statin drugs.

Statin druge are a multi-billion dollar industry.

Cannot trust Western doctors because they are trained to obey Big Pharma.

[Puccini]

From the OP:

She said they had banned the following

Citronella grass,

>chilli, tumeric, ginger, Chinese ginger, Chinese celery, neem, African

>marigold, glory lilly, Siam weed, stemona, and tea seed cake.

"Chilli is banned." "Bananas are banned." "Spinach is banned".

You have to look at the word "banned" in its context. I don't know about the alleged health benefits of chili but I understand that spinach has a lot of iron and iron deficiency is one of many possible contributing factors in anemia.

Spinach is "banned" as a medicine. You are not allowed to sell spinach with the claim that it cures anemia. However, you are free to sell spinach as food.

Now, if ever the spinach you have for sale has a higher than the legally permitted concentration of toxic chemicals, eg herbicides or pesticides, you are not allowed to sell it, not even as food. This does not mean that spinach is banned; it means that your spinach does meet the legally required safety standards and is therefore not fit for consumption.

But it would make a good news headline to say that "spinach is banned"

[robblok]

That is a lot less drastical but is shows that big pharma does not like having competition from natural remedies.

I still stand with my point that big pharma has nothing to win with a cure for a disease, but would love suppression a lot more then a fast cure. I am not saying that they wont find cures once in a while but saying that profit comes first.

This means that they will do whatever they can to push out natural remedies to sell more of their stuff.

But i understand it a bit too, their medicine are tested a lot and that costs a lot while vitamins and other can claim a lot and are not tested.

[H2oDunc]

Don't you just love a good conspiracy theory... The Pharmas are out to make all of us sick!!... a bit too far-fetched. Let's be serious, yes, of course they want to make a profit and I'm not saying it's all perfect (I,too, know of a few things happening that disgust me) but they also saved many lives with their products. Most meds that are commercially available do work. Which you can't say about the supplement companies - most of their products don't do anything and they are a rip-off.

I find it hard to believe any of that and the sources you link to don't seem too reliable.

Are you seriously telling me that someone will ban "chilli"?? How would that be possible when it's a common ingredient in Thai food.

What they are probably trying to do, if there is any truth in what you say, is to regulate supplements more rigorously, which is probably not such a bad idea - in the US at least there is no control regarding supplements - that is, they could put whatever in that pill and sell it to you as vitamin C. You wouldn't know the difference anyway. But I guess you forgot that that is also a huge money-making industry, a lot more plagued by scams?

I didn't say the big pharma want to MAKE us sick. They just don't want to cure much. They want to TREAT you for what you have NOT cure it. Just look at the scare tactics used for the H1N1 flu. Governments spent BILLIONS on vaccines they didn't ned or use. Get it now. As for the links, the BKK post has bee running the story but we are not allowed to link. The measures going through the EU and US houses are all there to read. Try it. ITs not a conspiracy rather than FACTS that the majority are too lazy or unconcerned to do anything about.

How do you think they fostered the EU superstate on the public ? The only time anybody got to vote on it was for a common market. The people who have been given a vote on it have ALL said NO but it has not stopped them has it ? Is that another conspiracy theory ? It is how they do things !

[H2oDunc]

From the OP:

She said they had banned the following

Citronella grass,

>chilli, tumeric, ginger, Chinese ginger, Chinese celery, neem, African

>marigold, glory lilly, Siam weed, stemona, and tea seed cake.

"Chilli is banned." "Bananas are banned." "Spinach is banned".

You have to look at the word "banned" in its context. I don't know about the alleged health benefits of chili but I understand that spinach has a lot of iron and iron deficiency is one of many possible contributing factors in anemia.

Spinach is "banned" as a medicine. You are not allowed to sell spinach with the claim that it cures anemia. However, you are free to sell spinach as food.

Now, if ever the spinach you have for sale has a higher than the legally permitted concentration of toxic chemicals, eg herbicides or pesticides, you are not allowed to sell it, not even as food. This does not mean that spinach is banned; it means that your spinach does meet the legally required safety standards and is therefore not fit for consumption.

But it would make a good news headline to say that "spinach is banned"

Puccini, They have not Banned it as such but rather " effectively banned it " By classifying it as a hazardous product they now require growers, manufacturers, importers and exporters of pesticides, herbicides and plant disease control substances made from the 13 herbal plants to follow safety and quality control regulations issued by the committee. Otherwise they will face six months in jail and/or a fine of 50,000 baht.

All you have to do is make something so expensive to produce / buy to get rid of it

[hhgz]

"The last real thing to be so called cured was polio and that was years ago and is making a comeback now."

One problem with your post is that you don't understand the difference between a "cure" and a "preventative vaccination". Without that knowledge, you're likely to post something that is humorously wrong.

Polio is "making a comeback" because misinformed parents refuse to have their children vaccinated.

[Sheryl]

There are so many factually untrue statements in thsi thread that I can't begin to address them all.

So I won't

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