Anti-Red Shirts Protest Grows

[kiwikoppy]

For those of you that are hollering the red "double-standards" line (That Abhisit quite appropriately pointed out was first used regarding the 2001 asset concealment case of Thaksin's), Can you please explain to me why you are crying about people exercising 2 of the pillars of democracy (the right ot peacefully assemble, and the right to free speech) and then tell us why it is inappropriate for people to do those things regardless of whether you agree with them or not?

Most of us that are either Anti-Red, Anti-Thaksin, or even Pro-Yellow have said that the peaceful assembly of the reds is in line with democracy even if what they are asking for is not! The people you are crying about aren't heading out to the airport, they aren't blocking traffic all over Bangkok, they are just expressing their opinions and you seem to wish to prevent that. Why?

they have the right to protest, i just mean that.

1 if you are yellow speak up for it and dont become pink

2. if not then where were you when the pad did this and much worse?

and the reds are not asking for anything undemocratic! they just ask for the house to be dissolved, thats as democratic as it goes.

as the current government is just a puppet anyway, elected during a military rule.

It looks a little like myanmar here, we have a constitution that states that anyone who will do a coup will be given amnesty.

Whats that? meaning the military can kick out any government whenever they want. meaning the real power here lies with the military.

MEaning we are no better then myanmar and laos in that aspect.

new elections - and rewrite the constitution is the only way to make this country a little bit domecratic again.

[scorecard]

Jatuporn warns Chulalongkorn University against letting academics counter red-shirt movement

BANGKOK: -- Jatuporn Promphan Thursday warned the Chulalongkorn University against allowing its academics to come out to organize campaigns against the red-shirt movement.

He alleged that the group of academics, which is against the red-shirt movement, belongs to the yellow-shirt movement or the People's Alliance for Democracy.

A group of Chulalongkorn lecturers will organise a peace rally at the university on Friday to counter the red-shirt protesters.

-- The Nation 2010-04-01

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

Oh so now he is warning Universities not to dispute his ideas.

What a arrogant prat.

The reds are fond of warning people.

Like their master Thaksin, they are bullies.

Bullies in support of a criminal.

Just research the murky history of jatuporn, it's not the first time he's tried this type of intimidation.

Just imagine his approach if he were ever in charge of a ministry - frightening to say the least.

[Sunderland]

So if there are more pink shirts (among the claimed "silent majority" on Friday) than red shirts on the streets in the next 2 days it seems fair to say that they represent the majority of the nation. But if there are only 2-3,000 pink shirts, what will the excuse be? I mean 2,000-3,000 out of 60 million + is not exactly a majority any more than 80,000 is a small fraction of the Thai population. Therefore the silent majority may end up being an even smaller minority than the minority the red shirts are claimed to be followed by.

So does this mean that in excess of 59 million people in Thailand really don't give a shit because they haven't taken to the streets?

Over to you pinks, reds, yellows and whites.

[bkkjames]

Kwippy

Regarding arrival figures, lets wait until March come out, in the meantime all I see is similar stories to this guy..

Thai Hotels Association president, Prakit Chinamourpong, estimate the loss for hotels was around 20% in occupancy which means a loss in revenue of about Bt10 billion in March alone.

Thai-Chinese Tourism Alliance president, Vichit Prakobkosol, said that out of 100 to 120 charter flights from China during the Songkran holidays only 50 to 60 flights were expected, representing a loss in Thai tourism of around Bt250 million

[Sunderland]

Did anyone read the Thai invitation to the counter protests? They said that you can wear pink (incidently this has long been the color of Chulalongkorn university and not some last minute choice of colors unlike what some posters here may think) or any color. You just have to show up and show unity against the red shirts.

You can see that Bangkok people are getting extremely fed up now with the red shirts.

Edit: You can see that Bangkok people are already extremely fed up with listening to anything political. Yellow, red or otherwise. Most don't care. Who can blame them?

[TheOldWolf]

So if there are more pink shirts (among the claimed "silent majority" on Friday) than red shirts on the streets in the next 2 days it seems fair to say that they represent the majority of the nation. But if there are only 2-3,000 pink shirts, what will the excuse be? I mean 2,000-3,000 out of 60 million + is not exactly a majority any more than 80,000 is a small fraction of the Thai population. Therefore the silent majority may end up being an even smaller minority than the minority the red shirts are claimed to be followed by.

So does this mean that in excess of 59 million people in Thailand really don't give a shit because they haven't taken to the streets?

Over to you pinks, reds, yellows and whites.

You know as well as I do that the silent majority will never go out in the streets to protest. It will always be silent until they can but the vots. It is no point i talking about numbers.

[kiwikoppy]

So if there are more pink shirts (among the claimed "silent majority" on Friday) than red shirts on the streets in the next 2 days it seems fair to say that they represent the majority of the nation. But if there are only 2-3,000 pink shirts, what will the excuse be? I mean 2,000-3,000 out of 60 million + is not exactly a majority any more than 80,000 is a small fraction of the Thai population. Therefore the silent majority may end up being an even smaller minority than the minority the red shirts are claimed to be followed by.

So does this mean that in excess of 59 million people in Thailand really don't give a shit because they haven't taken to the streets?

Over to you pinks, reds, yellows and whites.

you are correct, the majority most likely does not give a dam_n.

only when elections are there they will come vote. so thats the only way to get a clear answer

[bkkjames]

So if there are more pink shirts (among the claimed "silent majority" on Friday) than red shirts on the streets in the next 2 days it seems fair to say that they represent the majority of the nation. But if there are only 2-3,000 pink shirts, what will the excuse be? I mean 2,000-3,000 out of 60 million + is not exactly a majority any more than 80,000 is a small fraction of the Thai population. Therefore the silent majority may end up being an even smaller minority than the minority the red shirts are claimed to be followed by.

So does this mean that in excess of 59 million people in Thailand really don't give a shit because they haven't taken to the streets?

Over to you pinks, reds, yellows and whites.

you are correct, the majority most likely does not give a dam_n.

only when elections are there they will come vote. so thats the only way to get a clear answer

if you agree with that then wait for the next election.

[kiwikoppy]

So if there are more pink shirts (among the claimed "silent majority" on Friday) than red shirts on the streets in the next 2 days it seems fair to say that they represent the majority of the nation. But if there are only 2-3,000 pink shirts, what will the excuse be? I mean 2,000-3,000 out of 60 million + is not exactly a majority any more than 80,000 is a small fraction of the Thai population. Therefore the silent majority may end up being an even smaller minority than the minority the red shirts are claimed to be followed by.

So does this mean that in excess of 59 million people in Thailand really don't give a shit because they haven't taken to the streets?

Over to you pinks, reds, yellows and whites.

you are correct, the majority most likely does not give a dam_n.

only when elections are there they will come vote. so thats the only way to get a clear answer

if you agree with that then wait for the next election.

i do, but it should be sooner rather then later

[WAERTH]

Mmmm tonight the comedy group I am in will play at the Red Cross Fair as we do every year .... I will wear my Pink shirt that we got when performing for some government agency once .... I hope I will survive it .... normally I wear a red suit jacket, but tonight I will wear my black one over the pink shirt.

W

[anotherpeter]

So if there are more pink shirts (among the claimed "silent majority" on Friday) than red shirts on the streets in the next 2 days it seems fair to say that they represent the majority of the nation. But if there are only 2-3,000 pink shirts, what will the excuse be? I mean 2,000-3,000 out of 60 million + is not exactly a majority any more than 80,000 is a small fraction of the Thai population. Therefore the silent majority may end up being an even smaller minority than the minority the red shirts are claimed to be followed by.

So does this mean that in excess of 59 million people in Thailand really don't give a shit because they haven't taken to the streets?

Over to you pinks, reds, yellows and whites.

The non-reds don't need to come out to protest in great numbers. The government is already doing what they want. They don't actually need to protest.

The fact that people ARE coming out to protest against the reds, shows them that they don't have all the support that they think.

[anotherpeter]

So if there are more pink shirts (among the claimed "silent majority" on Friday) than red shirts on the streets in the next 2 days it seems fair to say that they represent the majority of the nation. But if there are only 2-3,000 pink shirts, what will the excuse be? I mean 2,000-3,000 out of 60 million + is not exactly a majority any more than 80,000 is a small fraction of the Thai population. Therefore the silent majority may end up being an even smaller minority than the minority the red shirts are claimed to be followed by.

So does this mean that in excess of 59 million people in Thailand really don't give a shit because they haven't taken to the streets?

Over to you pinks, reds, yellows and whites.

you are correct, the majority most likely does not give a dam_n.

only when elections are there they will come vote. so thats the only way to get a clear answer

if you agree with that then wait for the next election.

i do, but it should be sooner rather then later

Why?

[frodo]

Anything on Arisiman turning himself in for his crimes? He and the UDD leaders made a promise that he would.

If he does not, I sincerely hope the people will wake up and realize that nothing has changed over the course of the past years. PT/UDD/DADD, nothing but liars who only protect their own and feel they are above the law. To think Thaksin had the audacity to call Abhisit insincere while the dogs lapped it up.

More reason to get these country folk out. They have the right to protest, but the goal is not what they think. This is only the start of what could become.

[anotherpeter]

they have the right to protest, i just mean that.

1 if you are yellow speak up for it and dont become pink

2. if not then where were you when the pad did this and much worse?

and the reds are not asking for anything undemocratic! they just ask for the house to be dissolved, thats as democratic as it goes.

as the current government is just a puppet anyway, elected during a military rule.

It looks a little like myanmar here, we have a constitution that states that anyone who will do a coup will be given amnesty.

Whats that? meaning the military can kick out any government whenever they want. meaning the real power here lies with the military.

MEaning we are no better then myanmar and laos in that aspect.

new elections - and rewrite the constitution is the only way to make this country a little bit domecratic again.

Which military rule was the country under when this government was elected?

The constitution just gave amnesty for that particular coup, not future ones. They will need to amend the constitution again following the next coup.

Isn't the current government suggesting changes to the constitution and then voted on by the people? And elections when due in 2011 (unless the reds come back and accept the government offer for the end of this year).

[britmaveric]

Hmmm Yellow errrr I mean Pink shirts against the Reds. Soon with all these shirt groups - one will need to find new colours.

[kiwikoppy]

Which military rule was the country under when this government was elected?

The constitution just gave amnesty for that particular coup, not future ones. They will need to amend the constitution again following the next coup.

Isn't the current government suggesting changes to the constitution and then voted on by the people? And elections when due in 2011 (unless the reds come back and accept the government offer for the end of this year).

maybe the military they staged the coup????

and if i read it correctly it does give amnesty for future coups as well, but not sure, my thai is not perfect.

and i think elections should be now, as they would end these protests, and put the leaders of all collor together and let them declare that they will stand by the election and wont demonstrate whoever might win. and end this whole cartoon story

[321niti123]

As Mark Twain (or at least i think its Mark Twain) said "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

and Jatuporn is certainly removing all doubt

Edited April 1, 2010 by 321niti123

[jdinasia]

For those of you that are hollering the red "double-standards" line (That Abhisit quite appropriately pointed out was first used regarding the 2001 asset concealment case of Thaksin's), Can you please explain to me why you are crying about people exercising 2 of the pillars of democracy (the right ot peacefully assemble, and the right to free speech) and then tell us why it is inappropriate for people to do those things regardless of whether you agree with them or not?

Most of us that are either Anti-Red, Anti-Thaksin, or even Pro-Yellow have said that the peaceful assembly of the reds is in line with democracy even if what they are asking for is not! The people you are crying about aren't heading out to the airport, they aren't blocking traffic all over Bangkok, they are just expressing their opinions and you seem to wish to prevent that. Why?

they have the right to protest, i just mean that.

1 if you are yellow speak up for it and dont become pink

2. if not then where were you when the pad did this and much worse?

and the reds are not asking for anything undemocratic! they just ask for the house to be dissolved, thats as democratic as it goes.

as the current government is just a puppet anyway, elected during a military rule.

It looks a little like myanmar here, we have a constitution that states that anyone who will do a coup will be given amnesty.

Whats that? meaning the military can kick out any government whenever they want. meaning the real power here lies with the military.

MEaning we are no better then myanmar and laos in that aspect.

new elections - and rewrite the constitution is the only way to make this country a little bit domecratic again.

Answer to #1 If they are not acting in the name of the PAD (which they are not) or they wish not to be associated with the PAD (only an assumption can be made here!) then that explains the answer here

Answer to #2 Why should they have had to have spoken out about something YOU believe in, and in fact many people did speak out during the airport takeover. Who did and did not is inconsequential. That you consider the actions of the PAD worse is not shared by everyone now is it?

[steveromagnino]

As Mark Twain said "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

and Jatuporn is certainly removing all doubt

Well, we don't need to speak of Twain, we can simply now say, Jatuporn mah weng ruang ajarn Chula.

It sure is good to know that while the red shirts may be somewhat devoid of logic and substance, that they have had one sizeable impact on the Thai language.

[jdinasia]

Which military rule was the country under when this government was elected?

The constitution just gave amnesty for that particular coup, not future ones. They will need to amend the constitution again following the next coup.

Isn't the current government suggesting changes to the constitution and then voted on by the people? And elections when due in 2011 (unless the reds come back and accept the government offer for the end of this year).

maybe the military they staged the coup????

and if i read it correctly it does give amnesty for future coups as well, but not sure, my thai is not perfect.

and i think elections should be now, as they would end these protests, and put the leaders of all collor together and let them declare that they will stand by the election and wont demonstrate whoever might win. and end this whole cartoon story

Sorry but you are wrong again on a few counts. The constitution in place now does give amnesty to the coup makers (that did NOT remove an elected government, they removed an extra-constitutional caretaker government) but does NOT have any allowance for future coups built into it. There have been elections since then that landed first Samak and then Somchai and now Abhisit into the PM's chair. To hold elections soon (soonest would be in just over 2 months) would not allow the constitution to be amended or the budget to be done. The PM has an obligation to see that those two things happen. Currently there is no way that all parties could campaign safely in all areas, therefore a "free and fair" election is impossible at the moment.

Your leaders that you want to put together to decide that they will accept the rule of law and live with the results of elections could do so now. The current government was voted in by the majority of the MP's in parliament just like the last 2 governments were. The Reds have turned down a more than fair compromise offered by Abhisit in which he gave up more time that was still allotted for his government to rule than he kept to finish what must be done before new elections are called. (He offered elections 1 year early, and in this year. If abhisit takes that off the table now, nobody but the reds are at fault.

[kiwikoppy]

For those of you that are hollering the red "double-standards" line (That Abhisit quite appropriately pointed out was first used regarding the 2001 asset concealment case of Thaksin's), Can you please explain to me why you are crying about people exercising 2 of the pillars of democracy (the right ot peacefully assemble, and the right to free speech) and then tell us why it is inappropriate for people to do those things regardless of whether you agree with them or not?

Most of us that are either Anti-Red, Anti-Thaksin, or even Pro-Yellow have said that the peaceful assembly of the reds is in line with democracy even if what they are asking for is not! The people you are crying about aren't heading out to the airport, they aren't blocking traffic all over Bangkok, they are just expressing their opinions and you seem to wish to prevent that. Why?

they have the right to protest, i just mean that.

1 if you are yellow speak up for it and dont become pink

2. if not then where were you when the pad did this and much worse?

and the reds are not asking for anything undemocratic! they just ask for the house to be dissolved, thats as democratic as it goes.

as the current government is just a puppet anyway, elected during a military rule.

It looks a little like myanmar here, we have a constitution that states that anyone who will do a coup will be given amnesty.

Whats that? meaning the military can kick out any government whenever they want. meaning the real power here lies with the military.

MEaning we are no better then myanmar and laos in that aspect.

new elections - and rewrite the constitution is the only way to make this country a little bit domecratic again.

Answer to #1 If they are not acting in the name of the PAD (which they are not) or they wish not to be associated with the PAD (only an assumption can be made here!) then that explains the answer here

Answer to #2 Why should they have had to have spoken out about something YOU believe in, and in fact many people did speak out during the airport takeover. Who did and did not is inconsequential. That you consider the actions of the PAD worse is not shared by everyone now is it?

That you consider the actions of the PAD worse is not shared by everyone now is it?????

wow you are shallow!

closing down an airport or blocking some roads? what is worse?

come on we dont have to think about this right, the answer is quite clear.

and they can disagree now, but dont say this is destroying the tourism business, as the pad actions did way more damage and they were silent then.I did not say the reds are good, i am just complaining that these 2 new groups are only coming out when it serves there intentious best, and they are not to get peace. they are only to keep their grip on politics!!

Edited April 1, 2010 by kiwikoppy

[BSJ]

If the common man....or woman think there is an abundance of common sense on a university campus, they are sadly mistaken! But grandiose ideas are in abundance.

[scorecard]

For those of you that are hollering the red "double-standards" line (That Abhisit quite appropriately pointed out was first used regarding the 2001 asset concealment case of Thaksin's), Can you please explain to me why you are crying about people exercising 2 of the pillars of democracy (the right ot peacefully assemble, and the right to free speech) and then tell us why it is inappropriate for people to do those things regardless of whether you agree with them or not?

Most of us that are either Anti-Red, Anti-Thaksin, or even Pro-Yellow have said that the peaceful assembly of the reds is in line with democracy even if what they are asking for is not! The people you are crying about aren't heading out to the airport, they aren't blocking traffic all over Bangkok, they are just expressing their opinions and you seem to wish to prevent that. Why?

they have the right to protest, i just mean that.

1 if you are yellow speak up for it and dont become pink

2. if not then where were you when the pad did this and much worse?

and the reds are not asking for anything undemocratic! they just ask for the house to be dissolved, thats as democratic as it goes.

as the current government is just a puppet anyway, elected during a military rule.

Nobody is disputing anybody's right to freedom of speech and the right to assemble and make their views know. And just in case you haven't noticed PM Abhisit has said clearly and calmy many times that all Thais have that right under the Thai constitution and it must be totally respected!

Or I'll turn it into a question - can you please quote a detailed example of where PM Abhisit has ever said anything whatever to the contrary?

Just in passing, thaksin intimidated the media and tried to gag and intimidate it, and ordered the state TV and radio media to broadcast only what made him look good. And I venture to give the opinion (my opinion) that he would have had some goons break up the initial yellow shirt rallies except that their leaders, overall, at that time also had some clout and intimidating them would have been unwise.

I suggest (just my opinion) that many people supported the PAD in it's early days as a strong voice against corruption and abuse of power. Many would possibly also agree that Mr. S probably also had a personal reason for attacking thaksin but many also pushed that part of it aside because they were happy to see some strong voices trying to control someone way out of control in terms of massive and open corruption, abuse of power, manipulation of state agencies for his own gain, intimidation of the judiciary and electoral commission, supervison of the murder of 2,500 fellow thais, and open nepotism in placing many of his relatives in high and powerful positions. (Is that sounding like democracy?)

But I would also suggest (just my opinion) that many PAD supporters and fence sitters were against the airport sit-in. So part of what I'm saying is that no group, yellow, red or whatever is lilly white.

But I also hasten to add that there is in fact no point in trying to debate this whole issue by simply comparing the reds against the yellows.

It's just not that simple, and, I suggest, what should be kept in focus is that the red shirt leaders (I said leaders), although they make all sorts of claims of "champions of democracy", "class war fighters" and more, are very obviously trying to create all sorts of smoke screens over their real purpose: a pardon for a criminal, and a return to a constitution which allows 'politicians' (my term is gangs of incapable insincere leeches and thieves) to regain a situation whereby they can continue to rape the wealth of Thailand, and please don't forget that that owners of the wealth of Thailand is all Thais.

Corruption is in fact theft of funds which should be used for the development and betterment of all Thais.

There are many Thais in Jail for very minor offences, but we see the red shirts fighting for a constitution which encourages massive and open theft and in the past jail time was not part of the puzzle.

Seems again we have double standards - petty thieves should go to jail but 'politicians') (thieves) should not go to jail. So how does that align to the class war claims of the red shirts, somehow it seems they have got themselves very confused.

Let's also please remember that if there had been no corruption in Thailand over say the last 40 years then:

- All Thai children today, in all locations, would very likley be attending state of the art schools where they received a first class eductaion.

- A very large percenatge of all Thais would today already have much better job opportunites, therefore creating a situation where a very large percentage of all Thais had an OK qaulity of life (At least a couple of steps above survival).

- Better education would very likely have already attracted a much bigger picture of foreign investment, jobs.

- Modern infrastructure would be the norm, posibly including, as an example, modern fast trains all over Thailand, etc.

- The funds would have been available to build a quality welfare net to protect people who fall on bad times.

- etc etc etc

My point - corruption is theft, thieves should be in jail!

Quote from above "... the current government is just a puppet anyway, elected during a military rule." Well If thaksin and his red shirt leaders are really sincerely fighting against coups, then to show absolute sincerity and credibility they should be claiming that every goverment which succeeded the first ever coup is illegitimate (is/was a puppet) and therefore the clock should be reset at about 1935. I'd love to see this put to jatuporn, veera, asisman, weng etc. I wonder what their reaction would be?

On a different point (above) the poster seems to be saying that the red shirts just want a disollution of parliament and also seems to be saying that because they demand it it should be immediately granted! Well let's please remember that democracy (remember the red shirts are the "champions of democracy") means that everybody has a right to a voice and should be listened to, not just the red shirts.

Also please note that some process which says that the government (whoever it might be) must do immediately whatever any group large or small demands is very obviously unworkable and not credible or fair as a process.

Edited April 1, 2010 by scorecard

[jdinasia]

That you consider the actions of the PAD worse is not shared by everyone now is it?????

wow you are shallow!

closing down an airport or blocking some roads? what is worse?

come on we dont have to think about this right, the answer is quite clear.

and they can disagree now, but dont say this is destroying the tourism business, as the pad actions did way more damage and they were silent then.I did not say the reds are good, i am just complaining that these 2 new groups are only coming out when it serves there intentious best, and they are not to get peace. they are only to keep their grip on politics!!

Ummmmm

Closing down the airport (the PAD didn't do this, the AOT did) is nowhere near as bad IMHO as killing people. So yes, compared to the tanker, the burnt busses, the threats of 1,000,000 malotov cocktails burning BKK down, the grenades, dragging a man from his car and beating him and then killing him is FAR worse than holding a peaceful protest at an airport. Remember that Sae Daeng, a red leader, said that grenade attacks would happen and the day afterwards people started dying, and 18 people died ALL on the PAD side during the end days at Government house and the 8 days at the airport.

Tourism was hurt as badly last year during Songkran as it was during the airport debacle AND NOW we have this year.

So yes, Murder IMHO is worse than ANY act of civil disobedience.

[mazeltov]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yob7DUHl-Hg

The song is, 'Mop see chom-poo'. It is not the yellow shirts or the red shirts in the streets but the pink shirts!!! This is an interesting concept for a song in light of recent demonstrations by the yellows and reds in Bangkok. Does it make a political statement too? Yes, the song does. Jintara is saying that the yellow and red shirts are not real competitors. She wants a new political formation based on love. This group would be identified by their pink shirts! Good for Jintara! Jintara was born on 12 March 1971, and this vcd was released on 11 February 2009. A special thank you to Nisamanee for helping to translate the title of the song, in particular, the word 'Mop' from Thai to English.

[ozzieman05]

The Thai top 50 No. 1 hit

[scorecard]

Jatuporn threatens to lead protesters to rally at NBT station

BANGKOK: -- Jatuporn Promphan, a red-shirt leader, Thursday threatened to lead protesters to rally at the NBT head office if the station does not stop airing negative reports against the red-shirt movement.

"If the station does not stop framing the red-shirt people, we will visit it," Jatuporn said.

-- The Nation 2010-04-01

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

I say again, would you really want this guy leading a minstry?

[scorecard]

For those of you that are hollering the red "double-standards" line (That Abhisit quite appropriately pointed out was first used regarding the 2001 asset concealment case of Thaksin's), Can you please explain to me why you are crying about people exercising 2 of the pillars of democracy (the right ot peacefully assemble, and the right to free speech) and then tell us why it is inappropriate for people to do those things regardless of whether you agree with them or not?

Most of us that are either Anti-Red, Anti-Thaksin, or even Pro-Yellow have said that the peaceful assembly of the reds is in line with democracy even if what they are asking for is not! The people you are crying about aren't heading out to the airport, they aren't blocking traffic all over Bangkok, they are just expressing their opinions and you seem to wish to prevent that. Why?

they have the right to protest, i just mean that.

1 if you are yellow speak up for it and dont become pink

2. if not then where were you when the pad did this and much worse?

and the reds are not asking for anything undemocratic! they just ask for the house to be dissolved, thats as democratic as it goes.

as the current government is just a puppet anyway, elected during a military rule.

It looks a little like myanmar here, we have a constitution that states that anyone who will do a coup will be given amnesty.

Whats that? meaning the military can kick out any government whenever they want. meaning the real power here lies with the military.

MEaning we are no better then myanmar and laos in that aspect.

new elections - and rewrite the constitution is the only way to make this country a little bit domecratic again.

Answer to #1 If they are not acting in the name of the PAD (which they are not) or they wish not to be associated with the PAD (only an assumption can be made here!) then that explains the answer here

Answer to #2 Why should they have had to have spoken out about something YOU believe in, and in fact many people did speak out during the airport takeover. Who did and did not is inconsequential. That you consider the actions of the PAD worse is not shared by everyone now is it?

That you consider the actions of the PAD worse is not shared by everyone now is it?????

wow you are shallow!

closing down an airport or blocking some roads? what is worse?

come on we dont have to think about this right, the answer is quite clear.

and they can disagree now, but dont say this is destroying the tourism business, as the pad actions did way more damage and they were silent then.I did not say the reds are good, i am just complaining that these 2 new groups are only coming out when it serves there intentious best, and they are not to get peace. they are only to keep their grip on politics!!

When are some people going to get past yellow shirts vs red shirts.

Neither of these groups is perfect, far from it, and there are many people who:

- Agree on some points made by the yellow shirts but not everything, and many of the yellow supporters will tell you they did not agree with the airport stuff and see the airport seizure a major mistake in the yellow strategy.

- Agree on some points made by the red shirts especially about the lack of equality in Thai society but not everything. And some who agree about equality will also tell you that the current red leaders have zero credibility for such a cause, and are nothing more than a smokescreen for thaksin.

And there are a hundred more configurations.

But regardless of any of that, please get above yellow vs red and consider the whole bigger picture and it's long-term complex history!

Edited April 1, 2010 by scorecard

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dont get me wrong everyone can protest. but come one chula, you are all so dam_n yellow so wear your own collor.

dont wear pink, this is the current color to support the king in gaining his health, dont make it dirty with your hands.

And tourism executives where were you when the PAD blocked the airport? that was the action that caused all of the damage and my job and not this little protest in the city. So either speak up whenever there is a protest openly declare that you are a yellow shirt.

Cause when the reds get their way he yellows come back and where are you then? sitting stil at home or even protesting with them..

Again dont get me wrong I want this all to stop as i am loosing business, but i just think that these new pink shirts and tourism .... are way to biased and should show their real allegiance before stepping up. And dont come now that you want peace when last year you were screaming for the government to resign.

this is turning out to be such a mickey mouse country politics wise

One of the most outspoken voices agaainst the government is a professor at Chula. That academics tend to be for the PAD over the reds is just not accurate.

even if they are not yellows, dont tained the kings color, like you have done before with yellow!

and second why speak up now? and not when the pad was in the airport? they did way more damage then the little traffic jam we have now (havent even noticed it)

So your definitive analysis of all of this is that the red shirts only caused a littel traffic jam.

Well I just hope that one day you might see that this is a little more complex than that.

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PTP --- the party that is all in favor of Democracy and Education! (unless of course you are an academic or student that opposes them!)

The kind of party that only cares about themselves, i.e. their party members, and believes their minority party opinion and rule is the best for the country, doesn't allow opposition, .... hmmmm ... kind of like the communist party?

Well thaksin did make several statements:

- Democracy is not my aim.

- Democracy is not usefull / important for thailand.

The credibility of this gang is full of holes and in their own words full of (their) double standards.