Thai Authorities To Arrest Red Shirts Protesters

[monkfish]

Is it Illegal?

Try VPN the same thing and a lot of businesses use it to connect offices to central servers which I am sure isn't Illegal.

Edited April 8, 2010 by monkfish

[niveknedwob]

Just <deleted> great.... Just the kind of publicity us folks need to help warm our relations with the current government....

But wait... I feel a slogan coming on here..... How about:

"No Red, No Bed.."

or perhaps...."No Red, No Head...."

But seriously, when one's Thai wife is on a serious mission, what's a farang husband to do??? I can see some of the more weak kneed guys getting pulled along... But geez... going up on stage????

Love this one:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...y-30126731.html

We are now 'foreigners' ... not 'farang' anymore. That might be a 'positive' !

I guess there is an amount of 'pressure' on the "white crinkly population" to maintain the flow of 'comfort' from their LBFM's

(Sorry, I love my single and double quotes !)

For some reasons a lot of people think that all farangs are intelligent and knowledgeable. At least now we now that this is not the case.

How can Canadian-American dual citizen have a vote in Thailand? Did I miss something?

Just supporting the 'cooking-cum-sex provider' - you missed something ... and he did not want to miss it.

[bulmercke]

Well, I use a proxy to bypass the government censorship here. So I didn't notice it.

What was the jail term for doing that again, according to the internet law?

Ah, yes, and the internet providers had to keep records for the past 3 or 6 months so they can check all activity in case they're looking for anyone...

Smart to post it, wiseman. Why not add your home address?

And the point is ..........???????

What exactly ?

( I know it's not legal but when there is massive censorship how else, other than via proxy, are you supposed to get info ???)

The bigger question is why do the powers that be deem it necessary to make access to the internet illegal ???

Of what are they afraid ???

ph

Thailand - the world hub of censorship and internet surveillance. When you're on-line - and in fact - even when you're not - you and your computer are an open portal to the authorities.

Who cares any longer? They can see everything. And they record everything.

Better you get out there - like The Red-Shirts - and fight for democracy on the streets.

Up the Reds.

[monkfish]

Yup why the government didn't revoke that Junta law by now is beyond me.

in fact they developed it more!

[bulmercke]

Well, I use a proxy to bypass the government censorship here. So I didn't notice it.

What was the jail term for doing that again, according to the internet law?

tomazbobner - are you serious? This is Thailand.

We make the rules up as we go along.

And then disregard them whenever we like.

[niveknedwob]

Just supporting the 'cooking-cum-sex provider' - you missed something ... and he did not want to miss it.

This is probably in the same vein as the 'ugly old scrotes' that allow their village wedding ceremonies to be filmed and used in advertising on "find a sexy Thai lady" websites.

They have been here 20 years or more - but haven't a 'king clue ... they just want to keep the LBFM happy so she keeps organising the food/laundry/sex to be performed to their satisfaction.

They would blow Thaksin on stage to maintain the status quo in their household ..... yet they would still post on here as staunch 'anti-reds' 555 As so many do.

[philw]

Well, I use a proxy to bypass the government censorship here. So I didn't notice it.

What was the jail term for doing that again, according to the internet law?

Ah, yes, and the internet providers had to keep records for the past 3 or 6 months so they can check all activity in case they're looking for anyone...

Smart to post it, wiseman. Why not add your home address?

And the point is ..........???????

What exactly ?

( I know it's not legal but when there is massive censorship how else, other than via proxy, are you supposed to get info ???)

The bigger question is why do the powers that be deem it necessary to make access to the internet illegal ???

Of what are they afraid ???

ph

Thailand - the world hub of censorship and internet surveillance. When you're on-line - and in fact - even when you're not - you and your computer are an open portal to the authorities.

Who cares any longer? They can see everything. And they record everything.

Better you get out there - like The Red-Shirts - and fight for democracy on the streets.

Up the Reds.

You are probably right.

ph

[rainman]

Just <deleted> great.... Just the kind of publicity us folks need to help warm our relations with the current government....

But wait... I feel a slogan coming on here..... How about:

"No Red, No Bed.."

or perhaps...."No Red, No Head...."

But seriously, when one's Thai wife is on a serious mission, what's a farang husband to do??? I can see some of the more weak kneed guys getting pulled along... But geez... going up on stage????

Love this one:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...y-30126731.html

We are now 'foreigners' ... not 'farang' anymore. That might be a 'positive' !

I guess there is an amount of 'pressure' on the "white crinkly population" to maintain the flow of 'comfort' from their LBFM's

(Sorry, I love my single and double quotes !)

For some reasons a lot of people think that all farangs are intelligent and knowledgeable. At least now we now that this is not the case.

No need to insult people just because they have different opinions, don't you think? The guy in the picture from TheNation article looks a lot happier than Abhisit did today. Good for him!

[Jingthing]

Nope, that Am-Can man is simply ignorant. Lets break it down --

"The current government was not voted in, and I want to have a vote," he said.

They were voted in. He can't have a vote. Not then. Not now. Not ever. He isn't Thai.

Isn't it illegal for foreigners to protest politics here, even when they are legal protests?

[niveknedwob]

The 'pictured' guy in the article is eating whatever he is being given at home - sure he is "happy".

Schmuck.

[LuckyFive8888]

they should be arrested to calm the situation down, or not? but anyhow, the 9 months house dissolution plan should still go on.

i also figured that dubai is doing a good job about thaksin, he's so quiet.

[LuckyFive8888]

The 'pictured' guy in the article is eating whatever he is being given at home - sure he is "happy".

Schmuck.

i can see that why he is so happy.

[rainman]

Nope, that Am-Can man is simply ignorant. Lets break it down --

"The current government was not voted in, and I want to have a vote," he said.

They were voted in. He can't have a vote. Not then. Not now. Not ever. He isn't Thai.

Isn't it illegal for foreigners to protest politics here, even when they are legal protests?

Not quite correct about the "not ever". If he one day becomes a Thai citizen, he can indeed vote.

[Richard W]

The second funny thing is, that the reds now forget that if the house is dissolved now, the next election will be held under the current constitution, vote buying and your entire party is sacked again. Same story as last time.

The entire party is not 'sacked'. As I understand it the losses are:

(1) The party name is lost - potentially bad if it's a brand name. I'm not sure what, if anything, stops the PTP replacement being TRT Phatthana.

(2) The executive of the party get a five year ban, and lose their seats. Constituency MPs are then replaced in by-elections. I'm not sure if a replacement party (and members) would have to be prepared in advance. I thought parties were protecting themselves by having slimmer executives and not having all important members on the executive.

(3) Party list MPs are not replaced as they die or are disqualified

I'm not certain, but I've a feeling that (3) may matter more than one might expect, because a majority of MPs is not enough to defeat a vote of no-confidence. According to Wikipedia, the current split is coalition 268 MPs, opposition 197 MPs, with 15 seats not accounted for.

[khunjamespittman]

Storming Parliament was a seriously stupid mistake by Red leaders. That's no reason to bring out the stormtroopers on all the Red supporters but the responsible leaders deserve to be arrested and jailed. Let's hope it can be done without bloodshed.

Maybe you would not have retaliated to the weapons provacation from inside the Parliment compound. I suggest that anyone who had ever been shot at would been so calm as you think you should be.

Everyone would also admit it was a mistake to enter the compound and deserveds to be litigated. I suggest that after a fair heaaring in an impartial judicial system that the people who entered should be vindicated because of the continuing racheting up of provacation they were facing.

Let all the speculators speculate but let us hope that justice will prevail.

[tracymeaw]

Well, I use a proxy to bypass the government censorship here. So I didn't notice it.

What was the jail term for doing that again, according to the internet law?

Ah, yes, and the internet providers had to keep records for the past 3 or 6 months so they can check all activity in case they're looking for anyone...

Smart to post it, wiseman. Why not add your home address?

And the point is ..........???????

What exactly ?

( I know it's not legal but when there is massive censorship how else, other than via proxy, are you supposed to get info ???)

The bigger question is why do the powers that be deem it necessary to make access to the internet illegal ???

Of what are they afraid ???

ph

The laws are there to protect you from the truth... according to the government, you cant handle the truth!

[siampolee]

 Lenin famously said the west would “sell us the rope by which we will hang them”. 

Source

Perhaps the current quote if applied to the situation here in Thailand read like this below we may well find ourselves seeing the truth.

The current administration said ''Thaksin, Jutaporn Arisman, Veera and Weng would sell us the rope by which we will hang them”.

They ( Thaksin Jutaporn Arisman, Veera and Weng) are underestimating their suicidal stupidity: they are happy to give it away.

Edited April 8, 2010 by siampolee

[LuckyLew]

I think govt is equally to blame by using the media for its own benefits, so in essence they also should be looked at for instigating the situation.

You gotta be kidding?

[LuckyLew]

Anyone want to guess what the red shirts will do if Arisman is arrested? Whatever place they will hold him will be overrun by red shirts.

Not even close

If any of the red shirt leaders are arrested

you can bet your last dollar that wherever

they might be taken will be the safest place

to be held.

A red revolt at this not yet known location would

be the same as a Japanese kamikaze mission

[timekeeper]

Closing the TV station, arresting the leaders and holding them, incommunicado no doubt, under some kind of indefinite revolving detention. That's going to solve the situation ?

the leaders are the cashiers, no leaders, no daily payouts from Thaksin, no money, no protesters.......

[timekeeper]

Anyone want to guess what the red shirts will do if Arisman is arrested? Whatever place they will hold him will be overrun by red shirts.

helicopter him to the naval island 5 miles offshore near Bang Saray

tell the protesters to go get him.........

[timekeeper]

Not being funny, but some people here don't quite get that with freedom and rights comes responsibility. You have the right to free speech but the responsibility to use it wisely. If someone is using it irresponsibly to create social disorder then it is up to law enforcement to ensure that they cease this activity. Simple.

Of course it should all stop. But who is going to make it stop? The previous protests SHOULD have been stopped also. Mob rule appears to have been accepted.

Who is going to prosecute ALL the wrongdoers (and bear in mind the list is long and goes back beyond the current protests)? And of course, the small matter of keeping the coup makers away from it all.

There is every chance that the cases of the PAD's actions could be finished well beyond even this or the next government's lifetime, if Abhisit resigns tomorrow and the next governments life is as short as this or previous.

And when it is all put to bed then what?

If all the cases are brought and judged in the next week, the underlying problem (as far as some people are concerned) is that the UDD/TRT/PPP grouping may prevail at the next election, be it in 3 months or 9 or 18.

Abhisit has a lot on his plate right now, and I am sure he doesn't want to live the rest of his life in Thailand with the stigma of blood on his hands.

I don't see anyway out for Abhisit than to announce elections in 9 months.

Elections in 9 months is what he offered them, but the red buff....s only say NO. They want the house dissolution NOW because they believe that they will win the next election. Wouldn't be so sure about that. If all yellows vote for yellow or democrat and all non-colors for democrat, then the reds will poorely loose. Because if there is a coalition needed, the only possible coalition will be yellow-democrat, neither of both will ever go with the reds. The second funny thing is, that the reds now forget that if the house is dissolved now, the next election will be held under the current constitution, vote buying and your entire party is sacked again. Same story as last time. That is what Abhisit offers them to clear first, so the rules will be acceptable for everybody, but if the reds understood that they wouldnt be on the street.

Well Veera did ask him if they could meet somewhere in the middle and he said No.

during the 2nd televised meeting Abhisit dared Weng to demand a referendum of him as to wether he should dissolve parliament or not

Weng wisely chose not to challenge Abhisit.......

[jfchandler]

I don't begrudge anyone (including farang such as myself) the right to have and hold political opinions.

But....

1. Given our rather tenuous position here and status as kind of guests, I'd personallhy think it best for farang to not start taking very public, visible sides in what borders on a civil war among Thais.....

2. And if some farang is going to do that in such a public way, at least for Christ's sake be someone who knows what the H he's talking about, and understands (as best as we can) what's going on.... Not someone just tagging along with the TW....

The guy wants to vote here?????

No need to insult people just because they have different opinions, don't you think? The guy in the picture from TheNation article looks a lot happier than Abhisit did today. Good for him!

[bacchanal]

"However, he admitted he was not too knowledgeable about Thai politics"

A good summation of the foreigners at the reds rally article.

[animatic]

Storming Parliament was a seriously stupid mistake by Red leaders. That's no reason to bring out the stormtroopers on all the Red supporters but the responsible leaders deserve to be arrested and jailed. Let's hope it can be done without bloodshed.

Maybe you would not have retaliated to the weapons provacation from inside the Parliment compound. I suggest that anyone who had ever been shot at would been so calm as you think you should be.

Everyone would also admit it was a mistake to enter the compound and deserveds to be litigated. I suggest that after a fair heaaring in an impartial judicial system that the people who entered should be vindicated because of the continuing racheting up of provacation they were facing.

Let all the speculators speculate but let us hope that justice will prevail.

So you have imagined that theyn shot at the Reds from the compound.

Adjust the meds dude, never happened, no one reported this.

Arisman produced a object and ranted on about it,

and they raided the security office and found/stole one M-16 without a clip and paraded that around.

Not once was it said shots were fired at Reds outaside of parliament.

I did see a clip of Reds screaming OPEN!!!! OPEN!!! OPEN!!!! on parliments doors,

and clearly acting violently nutzo....

Arisman never said he was shot at, but wenged on about ANY Weapons being in Parliament.

Well with out a doubt the USA congress security staff has some serious arsenals in their offices

and if they didn't when Presidents address joint sessions of congress, they would seriously NOT be doing their jobs.

Governments branches need quick access to security against aggressive acts.

Arisman and your comment ares seriously out of line with reality.

[Jimmu]

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Licensing is typically performed by a government agency (the broadcasting authority), providing a mechanism both for managing the limited resource of radio frequency spectrum and for implementing prevailing public policy, such as policies regarding concentration of media ownership. The determination of which frequencies can be used by various licensees is done through a frequency allocation process, which in the United States is further specified by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) in a table of allotments. The European Union and individual European States have similar legislation.

Management of technical specifications, such as those implemented in broadcast television systems, is normally undertaken as a part of broadcast licensing in each country. Various radio bands carry different radio signals, such as video and audio, digital and analog, narrowband and broadband, and different types of content, and are therefore licensed differently.

Licensing is also different for public radio and public television, and for community radio and community television, as compared to commercial applicants and licensees.

Violation of the terms of a license, either due to technical fault or illegal content, may result in fines, or rarely even revocation of the license. Licenses have also been threatened by a lack of candor on the part of the holder, or the failure to keep a public file.

Unlicensed broadcasting refers both to legal devices allowed to transmit at low power without a license, and pirate stations which violate the law, often because of insurmountable legal restrictions on getting a license.

[khunjamespittman]

"However, he admitted he was not too knowledgeable about Thai politics"

A good summation of the foreigners at the reds rally article.

Guys since when did politics become rocket science or brain surgery? That's the same false assumption that the yellows seem to have.

I know a lot pf PHD's and lawyers that I wouldn't want to represent me.

A good politician needs to have good common sense. You don find that in a textbook. He has a legal staff to read the law books and advise her or him.

[jfchandler]

Unfortunately, the farang who went on stage DOESN'T!!!

[brahmburgers]

the leaders are the cashiers, no leaders, no daily payouts from Thaksin, no money, no protesters.......

If the sub-paymasters (the puppets being controlled by T) are taken out of the equation, then surely others will be quickly found to take their places. As for putting money in one's pocket, heck, that's a given.

If you were a Red leader, and you got 200,000 baht clandestinely wired to you every day or so (to pay the little people on the streets), don't tell me you wouldn't be tempted to keep a few fistfulls of the dough in your pocket.

[lannarebirth]

"However, he admitted he was not too knowledgeable about Thai politics"

A good summation of the foreigners at the reds rally article.

What Lenin called "useful idiots".