Bangkok: 10+ Dead, Hundreds Hurt In Bangkok Clashes

[BigBikeBKK]

If you look at the video of yesterday protest the fight wouldn't even start if the army didn't open fire.

Actually the fight would not have started if the mob didn't illegally occupy Bangkok. They broke the law, declared war on the state and now want to be portrayed as innocent VICTIMS?! Sorry but that isn't going to fly. Take off your red glasses and wake up to reality if you can.

[473geo]

THE NATION: Calling O-negative blood type. Donation needed. pls head to Chalermprakiat Bldg at King Monkut hospital. Now...

Where are all the blood donors who contributed blood to the red Shirt Brigade cause ?

Strange how concern for the ordinary man and woman in the streets who have been injured in the ongoing violence are ignored by those who are supposedly championing their cause.

Come on Jutaporn, Arisman , Veera and Weng let's see your principles in action.

It is advisable to give blood once every 4 months to allow the iron and blood to fully replenish....if you had body piercing or tatoos in the last 12 months you may be rejected....so I guess those condotions rule out a few people....all people can, and are invited to give blood, donating is not exclusive to those who have donated before.

Your attempt to gain political points by using this topic is sad.

[snorkelador]

If you look at the video of yesterday protest the fight wouldn't even start if the army didn't open fire.

Actually the fight would not have started if the mob didn't illegally occupy Bangkok. They broke the law, declared war on the state and now want to be portrayed as innocent VICTIMS?! Sorry but that isn't going to fly. Take off your red glasses and wake up to reality if you can.

I asked for a link to such VDO evidence, but no answer - which to me is also an answer!

Or the red propaganda machine is still busy doctoring something. Actually, I bet they are!

[siampolee]

473geo

I gave blood for 30 years in both the U.K. and here in Thailand where I have lived for 20 years, the blood given was as far as I am aware used in the proper fashion.

Your attempt to gain political points by using this topic is sad

Using your self mandated yardstick can I ask you how you viewed the Red Shirt Brigade blood donating exercise and indeed its worth to the people and places that received the blood ?

Edited April 11, 2010 by siampolee

[BigBikeBKK]

If you look at the video of yesterday protest the fight wouldn't even start if the army didn't open fire.

Actually the fight would not have started if the mob didn't illegally occupy Bangkok. They broke the law, declared war on the state and now want to be portrayed as innocent VICTIMS?! Sorry but that isn't going to fly. Take off your red glasses and wake up to reality if you can.

I asked for a link to such VDO evidence, but no answer - which to me is also an answer!

Or the red propaganda machine is still busy doctoring something. Actually, I bet they are!

Personally I find this video and commentary to be quite compelling-

The commentary is quite balanced and the camera shows Thai troops firing in the air- not a single protester shot on the video but we do see red shirts hurling fire bombs and all manner of other projectiles and we hear the sound of a grenade and see severely wounded soldiers lying on the ground.

Had the soldiers been firing live ammunition into the crowd it would have been an entirely different scene but instead they showed amazing restraint even while under attack.

Imagine how much worse this could be if the armed forces decide to take the red shirts declaration of war as an excuse to put them down like the armed insurgents they are.

The Thai military should be commended for doing all they could to minimize casualties.

How much provocation will they take from the red mob before they lose patience and give the reds a taste of their own medicine?

Let us pray the red mobs will back down and not force another violent confrontation.

Peace!

Edited April 11, 2010 by BigBikeBKK

[473geo]

473geo

I gave blood for 30 years and it was as far as I am aware used in the proper fashion.Your comment

Your attempt to gain political points by using this topic is sad

Using your self mandated yardstick can I ask you how you viewed the Red Shirt Brigade blood donating exercise and indeed its worth to the people and places that received the blood ?

I thought that was a sad too and a waste of good blood......but would not use the topic for any political gain....in a free world a person may distribute their blood in any way they choose; I applaud you on your regular donating. You see in my world I try to encourage people to donate for the benefit of others, not waste my efforts trying to make some political gain. But at least the attention is drawn again to the need for blood donations.......any publicity is good publicity in this case.....so I thank you for that.

Edit: spelling

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Edited April 11, 2010 by 473geo

[Maestro]

Thai troops clash with protesters

Thai security forces clashed with "red shirt" protesters in Bangkok as the government appears emboldened to crack down on demonstrations.

-- Reuters 2010-04-10

[animatic]

"Thaksin would like the red-shirts to use their own discretion whether they want to carry on fighting or end the protest," the opposition Puea Thai Party MP said.

from Bangkok post website

Looks like Thaksin is washing his hands of any responsibility. Now it is the Reds own fault if they stay. That's the kind of leader he is.

Pontius Pilate comes to mind....

Edited April 11, 2010 by animatic

[siampolee]

473geo.

It was not my intention to gain political kudos but to underline the double standards of some peoples ethics.

I think both you and I think and act along the same lines, I detest hypocrisy just as you do

Pax my friend

[animatic]

Oh yeah, The United States specificlly prohibits US Armed forces from engaging in police activity with it's own citizenry.

National guard are citizen soldier militia, taking orders from state governors.

Um, do you know what you are talking about? The US National Guard ARE armed forces. They are military reserves recruited by the states and equipped by the federal government; subject to call by either. And when the police can't handle a mob then the National Guard can be activated by EITHER the state OR the Federal Government. Here in Bangkok it's obvious the red mobs are too large and well armed for the police to handle. Hence it is appropriate that the Army be called in to put down the mob.

BigBike is correct about the National Guard and their situational usages.

They also have been known to shoot looters in disaster areas like New Orleans after the Hurricane.

We watched looters being shot in Haiti recently.

[MellowYellow]

At least WATCH the video and listen to the government spokesperson before you just make up whatever it is you want to say.

I have listened to Abhisit and other government spokesman.. as for the Reds...

Sorry... I prefer to get my news from Reputable International sources.

I won't pollute my mind with propaganda from the red/yellow/pink/blue/green or black shirts, Fox News or the Republican liars either.

I have a brain. I use it. I don't don't listen to anyone who obviously has a corrupt agenda, nor anyone that can't separate legitimate grievances (like Rights, Freedom, Poverty, Education and Health) from the lobbing of power hungry demagogues that only want to skim the creme, or those who allow themselves to be bought by corrupt lobbyists and despots.

CS

Are you being intentionally obtuse, or just dishonest?

The link is an AlJazeera Interview.

[MellowYellow]

Oh yeah, The United States specificlly prohibits US Armed forces from engaging in police activity with it's own citizenry.

National guard are citizen soldier militia, taking orders from state governors.

Um, do you know what you are talking about? The US National Guard ARE armed forces. They are military reserves recruited by the states and equipped by the federal government; subject to call by either. And when the police can't handle a mob then the National Guard can be activated by EITHER the state OR the Federal Government. Here in Bangkok it's obvious the red mobs are too large and well armed for the police to handle. Hence it is appropriate that the Army be called in to put down the mob.

BigBike is correct about the National Guard and their situational usages.

They also have been known to shoot looters in disaster areas like New Orleans after the Hurricane.

We watched looters being shot in Haiti recently.

Seriously. Put your bias away for a moment and do some research on the difference between federal and state mobilization.

There are very big legal and functional differences.

[humfurry]

Where is he when we need him!

[BigBikeBKK]

Oh yeah, The United States specificlly prohibits US Armed forces from engaging in police activity with it's own citizenry.

National guard are citizen soldier militia, taking orders from state governors.

Um, do you know what you are talking about? The US National Guard ARE armed forces. They are military reserves recruited by the states and equipped by the federal government; subject to call by either. And when the police can't handle a mob then the National Guard can be activated by EITHER the state OR the Federal Government. Here in Bangkok it's obvious the red mobs are too large and well armed for the police to handle. Hence it is appropriate that the Army be called in to put down the mob.

LOL just LOL

Yes I know what I'm talking about. The rules when federally mobilized are VERY different.

Off you go.

Do some research.

The US National Guard are part of the armed forces and they are frequently used to police mobs, right? So what's your point about federal mobilization vs state mobilization? And what relevance does it have to the topic at hand which in case you've forgotten, is the confrontation between red mobs and the Thai Army in Bangkok?

[LaoPo]

Bangkok clashes death toll climbs to 20, with 800 hurt

At least 20 people are now known to have died in clashes between Thai troops and opposition supporters in Bangkok, and more than 800 were hurt.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8612783.stm

LaoPo

[MellowYellow]

Oh yeah, The United States specificlly prohibits US Armed forces from engaging in police activity with it's own citizenry.

National guard are citizen soldier militia, taking orders from state governors.

Um, do you know what you are talking about? The US National Guard ARE armed forces. They are military reserves recruited by the states and equipped by the federal government; subject to call by either. And when the police can't handle a mob then the National Guard can be activated by EITHER the state OR the Federal Government. Here in Bangkok it's obvious the red mobs are too large and well armed for the police to handle. Hence it is appropriate that the Army be called in to put down the mob.

LOL just LOL

Yes I know what I'm talking about. The rules when federally mobilized are VERY different.

Off you go.

Do some research.

The US National Guard are part of the armed forces and they are frequently used to police mobs, right? So what's your point about federal mobilization vs state mobilization? And what relevance does it have to the topic at hand which in case you've forgotten, is the confrontation between red mobs and the Thai Army in Bangkok?

Right, OK you are being both intentionly obtuse and dishonest.

Carry on advocating the use of tanks and flamethrowers on civilians.

I shan't waste anymore time with you.

[noel2499rk]

Amarin Phachonyut:

"Tear gas responsible for chaos among troops at kokwoa intersection. The chaos triggered a misfire of M79 that drop in the command area instantly killed a commander and fatally wounded 3 others. LtGen. Walit lost his legs.

The troops in the front line thinking they were attack from behind turned around and started firing wounding 20 other officers.

After the mess, Prayuth held a meeting demanding other commanders support him in a coup. They all turned him down flat, and instead demanded he take responsibility for the mess."

http://www.facebook.com/UDDThailand?ref=nf

[Moonrakers]

Nation: Thaksin issues statement holding Abhisit responsible

What a despicable, loathsome character.

[CosmicSurfer]

At least WATCH the video and listen to the government spokesperson before you just make up whatever it is you want to say.

I have listened to Abhisit and other government spokesman.. as for the Reds...

Sorry... I prefer to get my news from Reputable International sources.

I won't pollute my mind with propaganda from the red/yellow/pink/blue/green or black shirts, Fox News or the Republican liars either.

I have a brain. I use it. I don't don't listen to anyone who obviously has a corrupt agenda, nor anyone that can't separate legitimate grievances (like Rights, Freedom, Poverty, Education and Health) from the lobbing of power hungry demagogues that only want to skim the creme, or those who allow themselves to be bought by corrupt lobbyists and despots.

CS

Are you being intentionally obtuse, or just dishonest?

The link is an AlJazeera Interview.

Sorry.. but you didn't READ what was clearly stated. Or you chose to edit it out and ignore it!

This was NOT a government spokesperson. You're Editing (Censoring) this out of the original post will not change the fact. All Truth lives on forever in the Internet! Just scroll back up this page and check for yourself!

QUOTE (noel2499rk @ 2010-04-11 12:40:09) *

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJt8K8Scalk...feature=channel

Red shirt international spokesman Sean Boonpracong being interviewd on al jazzera says soldiers being held hostage are really reds at heart.

I stand on what I said about listening to propogandists... Interviewed on AlJazeera or not!

CS

Edited April 11, 2010 by CosmicSurfer

[MellowYellow]

Amarin Phachonyut:

"Tear gas responsible for chaos among troops at kokwoa intersection. The chaos triggered a misfire of M79 that drop in the command area instantly killed a commander and fatally wounded 3 others. LtGen. Walit lost his legs.

The troops in the front line thinking they were attack from behind turned around and started firing wounding 20 other officers.

After the mess, Prayuth held a meeting demanding other commanders support him in a coup. They all turned him down flat, and instead demanded he take responsibility for the mess."

http://www.facebook.com/UDDThailand?ref=nf

Some corroboration for this would be pretty important.

It indicates both incompetence and attempted treason.

[MellowYellow]

I stand on what I said about listening to propogandists... Interviewed on AlJazeera or not!

CS

...and the government spokesman denying any knowledge of use of live ammunition.

Wait, are you really this obtuse? It is quite a level.

Do you think I'm tricking you into watching some bizarro AlJazeera sponsored red brainwashing and there really is NO government spokesman in the clip?

[Moonrakers]

I stand on what I said about listening to propogandists... Interviewed on AlJazeera or not!

CS

...and the government spokesman denying any knowledge of use of live ammunition.

Wait, are you really this obtuse? It is quite a level.

Do you think I'm tricking you into watching some bizarro AlJazeera sponsored red brainwashing and there really is NO government spokesman in the clip?

I think that you have a comprehension problem mate.

[Samuian]

Some one got finally what he was aiming for - sad, sad times!

The blood had been spilled long ago, more will flow.... I feel so sorry for the citizens of this county!

[neverdie]

Nation: Thaksin issues statement holding Abhisit responsible

What a despicable, loathsome character.

It just goes to prove what I said before about people without a conscience.

[granuaile]

You havent replied on shutting down the TV station which started the

violence

Where have you travelled lately ? Somalia , Uganda or Sudan ?

Which democratic governement sends armed soldier with live ammo against

civilians . They send police with tear gas , sound projector , water canon .

Takes a bit longer but usually no deads .

If the governement cant train properly his police in crowd control

they have no one to blame but themselves

But then you are right in one thing ,Abhisit governement dont answer to the people

he is illegitimate , so what for bother ...

Yes. They did all those things first. Then they were attacked with spears, chairs, bottles, firebombs, guns, and grenades. And they reacted.

The reds shot the army with live ammunition first ?

Your source please

What bomb , oh yes those grenade that explose here and there

without ever causing any injuries

Hmmm do you read the news? Did you watch the news?

Soldiers were attacked with lethal weapons and today The Nation reports that Sae Daaeng is taking credit for he use of grenades last night, guess that speaks volumes abt all the attacks leading up to last nights criminal assault on soldiers just doing their job.

[MellowYellow]

I stand on what I said about listening to propogandists... Interviewed on AlJazeera or not!

CS

...and the government spokesman denying any knowledge of use of live ammunition.

Wait, are you really this obtuse? It is quite a level.

Do you think I'm tricking you into watching some bizarro AlJazeera sponsored red brainwashing and there really is NO government spokesman in the clip?

I think that you have a comprehension problem mate.

Quite possibly because I have no idea what Mr Tank flamethrower is on about.

He disputed that a government spokesman denied knowledge of use of live ammuntiion.

That spokesman is denying in that video.

I can't get him to watch the video for whatever reason.

propaganda....something something...cynical agenda...something something....

[CosmicSurfer]

US National Guard and US Army - The Use of....

Please allow me to clear up some misconceptions being bandied about here.

The relevant act you are all referring to is : The Posse Comitatus Act

I quote from Wikipedia > The Posse Comitatus Act

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction, with the intention (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) of substantially limiting the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (today the Army, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order" on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States.

The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Act during peacetime.

...

Exclusions and limitations

There are a number of situations in which the Act does not apply. These include:

* National Guard units while under the authority of the governor of a state;

* Troops used under the order of the President of the United States pursuant to the Insurrection Act, as was the case during the 1992 Los Angeles Riots.

* Under 18 U.S.C. § 831, the Attorney General may request that the Secretary of Defense provide emergency assistance if civilian law enforcement is inadequate to address certain types of threats involving the release of nuclear materials, such as potential use of a nuclear or radiological weapon. Such assistance may be by any personnel under the authority of the Department of Defense, provided such assistance does not adversely affect U.S. military preparedness.

* Support roles under the Joint Special Operations Command

I hope this now clears up this matter to the satisfaction of all!

CS

[sjaak327]

Looks like Thai Government are well and truly in bed with their friendly generals in Burma.

Only last week a promise was made to the delegates of the International Parliamentary Union Meeting hosted in Bangkok that as a Democratic thinking country Thailand would not resort to to repressive actions against their own people.

The World will now be laughing at them ....but NOT in a funny way......sad

Exactly. Closing down a TV station and using the army to disperse a demonstration probably equals to repressive actions. (allthough some people on this forum seem to think that such actions are perfectly allright).

[neverdie]

US National Guard and US Army - The Use of....

Please allow me to clear up some misconceptions being bandied about here.

The relevant act you are all referring to is : The Posse Comitatus Act

I quote from Wikipedia > The Posse Comitatus Act

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction, with the intention (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) of substantially limiting the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (today the Army, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order" on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States.

The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Act during peacetime.

...

Exclusions and limitations

There are a number of situations in which the Act does not apply. These include:

* National Guard units while under the authority of the governor of a state;

* Troops used under the order of the President of the United States pursuant to the Insurrection Act, as was the case during the 1992 Los Angeles Riots.

* Under 18 U.S.C. § 831, the Attorney General may request that the Secretary of Defense provide emergency assistance if civilian law enforcement is inadequate to address certain types of threats involving the release of nuclear materials, such as potential use of a nuclear or radiological weapon. Such assistance may be by any personnel under the authority of the Department of Defense, provided such assistance does not adversely affect U.S. military preparedness.

* Support roles under the Joint Special Operations Command

I hope this now clears up this matter to the satisfaction of all!

CS

Completely irrelevant to Thailand

[BigBikeBKK]

Right, OK you are being both intentionly obtuse and dishonest.

Carry on advocating the use of tanks and flamethrowers on civilians.

I shan't waste anymore time with you.

Huh? What in the world are you on about? Calling anyone who points out your lies obtuse doesn't make your lies any less false. Who is advocating the use of tanks and flame throwers on civilians?! Are you playing with a full deck?