Red-Shirts Must Realise Restraint Has Its Limitations

[Jingthing]

I am posting this here because this is one of the active "revolution" news threads (as we are not allowed to start new threads ourselves these days).

There have been rumors for a long time that Thaksin has serious cancer. Yesterday, there were death rumors. While it appears the death rumors were false, this news items seems to indicate the serious cancer rumors were true. Is there more confirmation available about the state of Thaksin's health?

Thaksin: I'm Not Dead Yet

Ousted former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra dismisses, via Twitter, the rumour that he was dead after experiencing a shock during a purported cancer treatment.

On his Twitter page, self-exiled former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra rejected reports that he suffered a shock during chemotherapy.

Thaksin is reportedly battling with a third-stage prostate cancer at a hospital in Dubai.

Edited April 26, 2010 by Jingthing

[TAWP]

The ultra-right conservative royalist military junta supporters who are the only ones that would vote for Abhisit /.../

Disproved by reality. Quoted for proof of delusion in the poster.

[TAWP]

dblpost

Edited April 26, 2010 by TAWP

[clockworkorange]

its been reported they went to him for a secret rendezvous

"It has been reported" = hearsay = unsubstantiated piffle

Where was it reported, and by whom?

[yoshiwara]

The ultra-right conservative royalist military junta supporters who are the only ones that would vote for Abhisit /.../

Disproved by reality. Quoted for proof of delusion in the poster.

Delusion in the head and thuggery on the ground:

Chakkrit Mongkonrattanasit, a 32-year-old employee of Central Chidlom, claims he was seriously beaten by a group of five men in their early 30s who said they were red-shirt rally security guards.

He explained that while he was walking to Chidlom station of BTS skytrain, five red-shirt people approached him and demanded to check his bag.

When they found nothing wrong, they beat him and took him to the protest site for questioning before releasing him.

[clockworkorange]

I am posting this here because this is one of the active "revolution" news threads (as we are not allowed to start new threads ourselves these days).

There have been rumors for a long time that Thaksin has serious cancer. Yesterday, there were death rumors. While it appears the death rumors were false, this news items seems to indicate the serious cancer rumors were true. Is there more confirmation available about the state of Thaksin's health?

Wow! That's amazing and a rumour like that must really be true!

Another informed source of hearsay also says that Thaksin has had a sex change, donned a burqa and is spying on PAD meetings. How else would the reds know all this tactical information?

Edited April 26, 2010 by clockworkorange

[barnsworth]

If you want some facts to add to this.

Another paper has a series of photos showing the convoys of Police and Army being turned back.

Roadblocks up now outside Bangkok and one in Rangsit. This is 10km at least from Rachprashong and shows strong feeling in Bangkok against the Army and Police.

500 police in one convoy turned back.

These road blocks will also stop PAD buses travelling into Bangkok - if there are any!

There is nt stomach on the part of the people, the Army or the Police to kill people. Elections are the only answer. PAD want action, but as they are Middle Class elite, they will have no stomach for violence themselves. Only through other branches of elite.

They were attacked in Bangkok last year by Bangkok residents and had to shoot at them!! Very peaceful and shows the lack of major support even there!

[RussellHantz]

The ultra-right conservative royalist military junta supporters who are the only ones that would vote for Abhisit /.../

Disproved by reality. Quoted for proof of delusion in the poster.

Delusion in the head and thuggery on the ground:

Chakkrit Mongkonrattanasit, a 32-year-old employee of Central Chidlom, claims he was seriously beaten by a group of five men in their early 30s who said they were red-shirt rally security guards.

He explained that while he was walking to Chidlom station of BTS skytrain, five red-shirt people approached him and demanded to check his bag.

When they found nothing wrong, they beat him and took him to the protest site for questioning before releasing him.

Don't get so excited. These are just unsubstantiated claims. He could be an employee of the government propaganda machine for all you know, up to their usual dirty tricks.

Even if it is true, there are always two sides to a story, and this story sounds extremely suspicious to say the least.

[ianf]

That is nonsense.

They have not showed restraint.

On April the 10th soldiers with live ammo tried to retake the sites.

25 people died because of it.

The mission FAILED.

Restraint ? Or simply inability to take action ?

All Abhisit needs to do is to say "The coup of 2006 was incorrect, the following events from 2006 were wrong and the parliamentary coup that put me into power was also wrong and so I dissolve the house and put the power back to the people and lets have elections".

But he prefers 26 people now dead and possibly more to come as he and his cohorts "cling to power" through force.

I don't know where you get your rubbish ideas from. Everyone knows about the lies that have spewed forth from the red stage. I have not heard one word of policy only lies and emotional manipulation. This is a fascist movement. Get real unless you are one of those who side with those that are anti human, anti human rights, in which case you need a little self examination.

[timekeeper]

its been reported they went to him for a secret rendezvous

"It has been reported" = hearsay = unsubstantiated piffle

Where was it reported, and by whom?

really?

unsubstantiated piffle huh?

New Politics Party: Red-shirts Negotiate for Amnesty

BANGKOK: -- The New Politics Party's secretary-general disclosed that the government and the red-shirt movement discussed an end to the current protest, but the attempt failed due to a problem regarding a proper time frame of House dissolution.

He added that the red-shirt people have also called for amnesty for those siding with Thaksin.

New Politics Party's Secretary-General Suriyasai Katasila revealed that he has been informed that the government and the pro-Thaksin force met and talked behind closed doors, but no agreement was reached, due to a conflict involving the time frame for House dissolution.

Suriyasai went on to say that a very important issue is that the anti-government group is negotiating for amnesty for the rally leaders with offences, and also for Thaksin's network.

He said his party does not object to the negotiation between the government and the red-shirt leaders, but the practise should focus on the nation's benefit.

The party's spokesman, Samran Rodpetch, has lashed out at those who fired at innocent people at Saladaeng intersection on April 20th, saying the action was savage and cruel.

He called on the government to put an end to the protest, as the gathering is considered terrorism and the government should employ harsher methods if no martial law is implemented.

He also condemned the action of some fractions of the red-shirt people, especially the one led by Chuphong Theethuan, that have declared a war to overthrown the monarchy.

He urged the Abhisit-led administration to end this movement as soon as possible.

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-- Tan Network 2010-04-26

Edited April 26, 2010 by timekeeper

[timekeeper]

The ultra-right conservative royalist military junta supporters who are the only ones that would vote for Abhisit /.../

Disproved by reality. Quoted for proof of delusion in the poster.

Delusion in the head and thuggery on the ground:

Chakkrit Mongkonrattanasit, a 32-year-old employee of Central Chidlom, claims he was seriously beaten by a group of five men in their early 30s who said they were red-shirt rally security guards.

He explained that while he was walking to Chidlom station of BTS skytrain, five red-shirt people approached him and demanded to check his bag.

When they found nothing wrong, they beat him and took him to the protest site for questioning before releasing him.

Don't get so excited. These are just unsubstantiated claims. He could be an employee of the government propaganda machine for all you know, up to their usual dirty tricks.

Even if it is true, there are always two sides to a story, and this story sounds extremely suspicious to say the least.

so whats the other side of this story?

surely the reds aren't capable of such dastardly things?

maybe like beating up already wounded soldiers in an ambulance?

[timekeeper]

The ultra-right conservative royalist military junta supporters who are the only ones that would vote for Abhisit /.../

Disproved by reality. Quoted for proof of delusion in the poster.

Delusion in the head and thuggery on the ground:

Chakkrit Mongkonrattanasit, a 32-year-old employee of Central Chidlom, claims he was seriously beaten by a group of five men in their early 30s who said they were red-shirt rally security guards.

He explained that while he was walking to Chidlom station of BTS skytrain, five red-shirt people approached him and demanded to check his bag.

When they found nothing wrong, they beat him and took him to the protest site for questioning before releasing him.

one day they will pick on the wrong guy and a Bernie Goetz will emerge

[enginerevision]

Thaksins comments regarding the Tak Bai massare.

"I regret the loss of lives in a way that should not have happened, due to suffocation. I will order a committee to be set up to investigate the situation,"

Thaksin Shinawatra

"There are some who died because they were fasting, and they were crammed in tight,"

It's a matter of their bodies becoming weak."

Thaksin Shinawatra.

Compared to Thaksin Abihist is a compassionate caring man.

No need to compare, just get rid of Abhisit, NOW!

And fill it up with more fascists like Thaksin, chavalit and you???

you will bring the whole continent down with your nonsence

You forgot how many refugees Abhisit dumped on boats in the ocean, beaten up and to die right? Offcourse that's not in the newspapers.

[timekeeper]

"It has been reported" = hearsay = unsubstantiated piffle

Where was it reported, and by whom?

by the Nation and by the Governor of Bangkok

must be piffle then....

Sukhumbhand says talk with red shirts suspended because of policy

Bangkok Governor Sukhumbhand Paribatra said Monday that he had suspended the truce talks with the red-shirt leaders because of a policy.

He said earlier talks yielded satisfactory results but the talk had to be suspended now because of a policy. He declined to elaborate.

-- The Nation 2010-04-26

[timekeeper]

Thaksins comments regarding the Tak Bai massare.

"I regret the loss of lives in a way that should not have happened, due to suffocation. I will order a committee to be set up to investigate the situation,"

Thaksin Shinawatra

"There are some who died because they were fasting, and they were crammed in tight,"

It's a matter of their bodies becoming weak."

Thaksin Shinawatra.

Compared to Thaksin Abihist is a compassionate caring man.

No need to compare, just get rid of Abhisit, NOW!

And fill it up with more fascists like Thaksin, chavalit and you???

you will bring the whole continent down with your nonsence

engineervision said:

You forgot how many refugees Abhisit dumped on boats in the ocean, beaten up and to die right? Offcourse that's not in the newspapers.

wow! was Abhisit there for that too?

i did not know he was a Navy man

i never saw him in any of the pictures or mentioned in the reports that he was present

do you have any?

Edited April 26, 2010 by timekeeper

[way2muchcoffee]

You forgot how many refugees Abhisit dumped on boats in the ocean, beaten up and to die right? Offcourse that's not in the newspapers.

Abhisit didn't dump any Rohingya. That was the Thai Navy operating under a Thaksin regime policy. As soon as Abhisit found out he put an immediate halt to that kind of activity, and it has not been repeated since.

Nice attempt at a smear.

Edited April 26, 2010 by way2muchcoffee

[timekeeper]

well its about time...........

BPP policemen break through red-shirt blockade in Phitsanulok

PHITSANULOK - Border patrol policemen broke through the blockade of red-shirt protesters in this northern province at noon Monday.

The protesters tried to block the policemen from travelling to Bangkok.

After five hours of blockade, the policemen decided to break through the red-shirt protesters.

The BPP policemen armed with baton managed to push through the lines of protesters at 12:50 pm for police trucks to pass through.

Several protesters were injured during the clash.

-- The Nation 2010-04-26

[yoshiwara]

I am posting this here because this is one of the active "revolution" news threads (as we are not allowed to start new threads ourselves these days).

There have been rumors for a long time that Thaksin has serious cancer. Yesterday, there were death rumors. While it appears the death rumors were false, this news items seems to indicate the serious cancer rumors were true. Is there more confirmation available about the state of Thaksin's health?

Wow! That's amazing and a rumour like that must really be true!

Another informed source of hearsay also says that Thaksin has had a sex change, donned a burqa and is spying on PAD meetings. How else would the reds know all this tactical information?

Thaksin may have nightmares about this.

But if he did it would confirm his openly expressed bigotry against gays.

[yoshiwara]

The ultra-right conservative royalist military junta supporters who are the only ones that would vote for Abhisit /.../

Disproved by reality. Quoted for proof of delusion in the poster.

Delusion in the head and thuggery on the ground:

Chakkrit Mongkonrattanasit, a 32-year-old employee of Central Chidlom, claims he was seriously beaten by a group of five men in their early 30s who said they were red-shirt rally security guards.

He explained that while he was walking to Chidlom station of BTS skytrain, five red-shirt people approached him and demanded to check his bag.

When they found nothing wrong, they beat him and took him to the protest site for questioning before releasing him.

Don't get so excited. These are just unsubstantiated claims. He could be an employee of the government propaganda machine for all you know, up to their usual dirty tricks.

Even if it is true, there are always two sides to a story, and this story sounds extremely suspicious to say the least.

Facing two sides at once.

Covering all the exits.

...'Even if it is true....' is one of the forum red mantras.

Any evidence against the reds would be suspicious for our red cheerleaders.

Fancy that!

[SpoliaOpima]

'... unarmed peaceful people ...'

Go and have a shower, a cup of coffee and wake up man!

If you doubt that down here there are more than 20'000 absolutely harmless, unarmed civilians, families, women, men and children of all ages around then come here, take a good ice coffee and open your eyes. After that you can open your mouth again.

You've never set foot there. I live in the middle of that zone and there is nowhere near 20,000 protesters even at peak hours now.

Even if there were, what about the other 9 million + Bangkok residents? Don't have a say, do they?

For a real picture of the red game see the recent article in the Japan Times, written by former Bangkok resident Kevin Rafferty.

[SpoliaOpima]

The ultra-right conservative royalist military junta supporters who are the only ones that would vote for Abhisit /.../

Disproved by reality. Quoted for proof of delusion in the poster.

Delusion in the head and thuggery on the ground:

Chakkrit Mongkonrattanasit, a 32-year-old employee of Central Chidlom, claims he was seriously beaten by a group of five men in their early 30s who said they were red-shirt rally security guards.

He explained that while he was walking to Chidlom station of BTS skytrain, five red-shirt people approached him and demanded to check his bag.

When they found nothing wrong, they beat him and took him to the protest site for questioning before releasing him.

Don't get so excited. These are just unsubstantiated claims. He could be an employee of the government propaganda machine for all you know, up to their usual dirty tricks.

Even if it is true, there are always two sides to a story, and this story sounds extremely suspicious to say the least.

My neighbors have worse stories than this. When the Rajprasong story is done, I think we will learn of many other incidents like this. Come have a look for yourself, see how you're treated when they search you when you ask to enter the public streets they have unilaterally blocked off.

[timekeeper]

'... unarmed peaceful people ...'

Go and have a shower, a cup of coffee and wake up man!

If you doubt that down here there are more than 20'000 absolutely harmless, unarmed civilians, families, women, men and children of all ages around then come here, take a good ice coffee and open your eyes. After that you can open your mouth again.

You've never set foot there. I live in the middle of that zone and there is nowhere near 20,000 protesters even at peak hours now.

Even if there were, what about the other 9 million + Bangkok residents? Don't have a say, do they?

For a real picture of the red game see the recent article in the Japan Times, written by former Bangkok resident Kevin Rafferty.

That is a great article, thank you for guiding me to it

[Jimmu]

Japan Times article. Brilliant! Thanks.

[elcent]

yellows used corruption as pretext for stealing Thaksin's democratically elected seat. They are hardly squeaky clean themselves ...

Here is the proof you need.

"Thaksin The Best Prime Minister.Thailand ever had" said Sonthi

any english subtitle?

otherwise he can talk till the cows come home and.........not many in thaivisa knows what all this rattle is about....

in this clip he's talking about all that of what was mentioned about in this thread. "Thaksin is the best, quick decision, the best for Thailand" ... etc..

[hammered]

Japan Times article. Brilliant! Thanks.

Indeed. Plenty of truths in there that neither uber reds or yellows will like

[TAWP]

You forgot how many refugees Abhisit dumped on boats in the ocean, beaten up and to die right? Offcourse that's not in the newspapers.

That would be 0 (zero).

But in your mind I am sure he is responsible for the policies that started under Samaks government was carried out then and just after the switch...

[elcent]

recent reports suggest the boys in red have been trying to negotiate a peaceful settlement with an amnesty deal for themselves

does the word ''sellout'' spring immediately to mind?

Or is it the other way round?

Maybe? Mark trying to negotiate a peaceful settlement with an amnesty deal for himself? Possible?

I suggest Mark change side and lead the Red Boys.

there should be no way for amnesty, be it for the yellows, the reds, Thaksin or the coup leaders in 2006. It's exactly those who causing the country to become a failed state.

The idea of Abhisit becoming a red leader is not bad, even though unthinkable at the moment. But he could bring a civilized flair into this mess, - a sacrifice worth while to consider. Probably some of the good guys within the democrats should follow suit then.This country's upper, elite classes need to get out of their comfort zones and honestly help tackle the problems. Thailand is very very close to a failed state already.

They (democrats), made mistakes by never condemning the yellow movements, by acting like opportunistic puppets. That doesn't bode well with rural folks.

[elcent]

Japan Times article. Brilliant! Thanks.

Indeed. Plenty of truths in there that neither uber reds or yellows will like

I read it days ago, one of the best political assessments made so far, also very neutral.

[hammered]

Japan Times article. Brilliant! Thanks.

Indeed. Plenty of truths in there that neither uber reds or yellows will like

I read it days ago, one of the best political assessments made so far, also very neutral.

Yes it is a shame that some things get missed by most. It is a far better peice than most of the surface analysis rubbish most media present

[Odysseus221]

That is nonsense.

They have not showed restraint.

On April the 10th soldiers with live ammo tried to retake the sites.

25 people died because of it.

The mission FAILED.

Restraint ? Or simply inability to take action ?

All Abhisit needs to do is to say "The coup of 2006 was incorrect, the following events from 2006 were wrong and the parliamentary coup that put me into power was also wrong and so I dissolve the house and put the power back to the people and lets have elections".

But he prefers 26 people now dead and possibly more to come as he and his cohorts "cling to power" through force.

Abhisit's inablility to say these simple words has resulted in a nation suffering.

The REAL TRUTH IS THIS: In no other country in the world would "Red Shirts" be allowed to disrupt an entire nation and demand the dissolution of a government. NONE! GET REAL BUDDY! But in reality, this country is one third run by people in business and politicians, one third army and one third police. It works just fine thanks.

In the end, there can only be a new brand of corruption. Democracy is a concept, not a reality; and what if the people are unable to think clearly? Zimbawawe is clearly more democratic than any time in the past. Which direction is it heading?

Straight DOWN. No one argues that white leadership was democratic do they?

The Red shirt tactics are difficult to understand. A nation of Buddhists usually reflects peaceful hearts. The PM is absolutely brave to call for restraint. This is the mark of a good man. The issues of wealth distribution in this country are another matter. This requires education and re-education. The top quite often knows not about the bottom in society. It is the same everywhere in the world.

Thais must answer these issues with extensive prayers to a new reality-- psychological, spiritual and mental--then it will manifest in the gross material world.

To bring this to a point: with 40% of the population, "Red Shirts" don't have to ask for governement benefits. All they have to do is build their own economy. Simple. Acquire capital--which they already have enough of apparently; start restaurants, factories, hotels, resorts etc. Create wealth don't destroy it.

That is your real problem RED GUYS, you aren't thinking POSITIVE you think NEGATIVE. Find the real solutions. They are education, economic development and empowerment. You don't need the government or nay sayers, this you can do with your "critical mass".

Good LUCK and Go Home Please.