Thai Authorities To Sever Red-Shirts Supply Lines

[whybother]

I agree with most of that... I guess. What would you have the govt. do? Go sing songs around a campfire and kiss and make up. I think you're being a little naieve here. ... But order must be restored.

The government should declare a general amnesty equally applicable to everyone from Abhisit all the way down to the bamboo spear totting Red. Only Montenegrin citizens should be excluded.

Is this a perfect solution? No. Is there a perfect solution? No.

Its the best available, because its the only solution that holds out the opportunity, not the guarantee, of elections that are seen as legitimate by all major political grouping in Thailand. This revolt will never end without a government that is perceived as legitimate, and only free and fair elections can deliver that.

And yes, order must be restored. Buy only by a government that is perceived to be legitimate by Reds and well as others.

If the Reds, or that matter the Yellows, continue with the kind of behaviour both have shown AFTER a free and fair election produces a government untainted by both Thaksin's sins and coup, then that government, not this one, would have the widely perceived legitimacy required to use force successfully.

Thailand isnt there yet. And it needs to get there fast. FAST, before society unravels.

And only a general amnesty will allow that to happen.

What does Abhisit need amnesty from?

[elcent]

Anyway, CONGRATULATION TO THIS GOVT FOR GETTING BOOTED BY THE UNHRC - the reflection of truth.

This govt is only capable to assassin hapless harmless boat people in the hundreds a time. Extort hard working folks and has a deep rooted corruption. It can't provide security for it's inhabitants local or foreign and has no willingness to do so.

[whybother]

Anyway, CONGRATULATION TO THIS GOVT FOR GETTING BOOTED BY THE UNHRC - the reflection of truth.

This govt is only capable to assassin hapless harmless boat people in the hundreds a time. Extort hard working folks and has a deep rooted corruption. It can't provide security for it's inhabitants local or foreign and has no willingness to do so.

The previous governments didn't have deep rooted corruption. Their's was on the surface for everyone to see.

[rixalex]

And only a general amnesty will allow that to happen

you forgot to add, until the next time. A general amnesty is a green light to rinse and repeat.

Precisely. The time has to come at some point when people pay for their criminal acts.

It's always the same: "ok, one more white-washing of crimes and then, when i shout "now", everyone must obey the law".

Give me a break.

[jcbangkok]

And only a general amnesty will allow that to happen

you forgot to add, until the next time. A general amnesty is a green light to rinse and repeat.

Amnesty???!?!?!?!??!

Are you saying this is not about democracy and holding elections?

Certainly the red mob leaders are not concerned with criminal charges. This would be impossible because nobody would say on a daily basis that "their" people are willing to die for democracy at the hands of soldiers but then not be willing to face criminal charges.

Just look at Thaksin. A lot of people would say he is a coward and punk for running away, from a 2-year sentence that would have almost surely been suspended if he stuck around, but the truth is he went overseas to fight for democracy on a global basis.

[earthpig]

you forgot to add, until the next time.

No i didnt.

I specifically said that after a new free and fair election--which cant happen with Red leaders in jail--a new government, untainted by thaksin or coup, would have the legitimacy to use force against red or yellows if they repeat their unlawful behaviours.

Order must be restored. But by a governmet perceived by most of the people of thailand--not to be confused with farang posters on TV--as legitimate.

The wisdom of the current PM and the generals is that by their actions they show that they understand most of this. No doubt there is huge political opposition to a general amnesty; the Red revolt has kicked some very powerful interests where it hurts most.

That's the problem the PM now has to overcome.

[Steely Dan]

I agree with most of that... I guess. What would you have the govt. do? Go sing songs around a campfire and kiss and make up. I think you're being a little naieve here. ... But order must be restored.

The government should declare a general amnesty equally applicable to everyone from Abhisit all the way down to the bamboo spear totting Red. Only Montenegrin citizens should be excluded.

Is this a perfect solution? No. Is there a perfect solution? No.

Its the best available, because its the only solution that holds out the opportunity, not the guarantee, of elections that are seen as legitimate by all major political grouping in Thailand. This revolt will never end without a government that is perceived as legitimate, and only free and fair elections can deliver that.

And yes, order must be restored. Buy only by a government that is perceived to be legitimate by Reds and well as others.

If the Reds, or that matter the Yellows, continue with the kind of behaviour both have shown AFTER a free and fair election produces a government untainted by both Thaksin's sins and coup, then that government, not this one, would have the widely perceived legitimacy required to use force successfully.

Thailand isnt there yet. And it needs to get there fast. FAST, before society unravels.

And only a general amnesty will allow that to happen.

Thailand will never make any progress until the principle that two wrongs don't make a right is understood. Amnesty to the murderous thugs who launched hand grenades all round Bangkok or repeatedly incited and planned violence. These people are unfit to govern and should be locked up for a long time.

In case it has escaped you Abhisit offered a new early election and path to reconciliation in good faith - the reds in response showed their true colours. The year zero started with Thaksin's attempts to plunder Thailand whilst subverting the democratic process, not with the yellow protests.

Abhisit gave the offer to look forwards, the reds insist on looking backwards, they don't desire justice or democracy only the reinstatement of their despot, the rank and file have been lied to.

[elcent]

Anyway, CONGRATULATION TO THIS GOVT FOR GETTING BOOTED BY THE UNHRC - the reflection of truth.

This govt is only capable to assassin hapless harmless boat people in the hundreds a time. Extort hard working folks and has a deep rooted corruption. It can't provide security for it's inhabitants local or foreign and has no willingness to do so.

The previous governments didn't have deep rooted corruption. Their's was on the surface for everyone to see.

... it has increased during this term. Not sure if it is the coalition partners and/or the dems themselves. Probably both and to an unbearable extent.

Shall they be allowed to whitewash that too?

[jcbangkok]

Anyway, CONGRATULATION TO THIS GOVT FOR GETTING BOOTED BY THE UNHRC - the reflection of truth.

This govt is only capable to assassin hapless harmless boat people in the hundreds a time. Extort hard working folks and has a deep rooted corruption. It can't provide security for it's inhabitants local or foreign and has no willingness to do so.

The previous governments didn't have deep rooted corruption. Their's was on the surface for everyone to see.

Funny to hear so many farang here condemn corruption and act so concerned about the poor of Thailand. If it wasn't for the corruption, the poor and the neglected most farang would not be here. They could say goodbye to low prices as well as the abundance of low priced working girls and girlfriends half their age and 1/10th their weight.

Edited May 13, 2010 by jcbangkok

[JacknDanny]

I agree with most of that... I guess. What would you have the govt. do? Go sing songs around a campfire and kiss and make up. I think you're being a little naieve here. ... But order must be restored.

The government should declare a general amnesty equally applicable to everyone from Abhisit all the way down to the bamboo spear totting Red. Only Montenegrin citizens should be excluded.

Is this a perfect solution? No. Is there a perfect solution? No.

Its the best available, because its the only solution that holds out the opportunity, not the guarantee, of elections that are seen as legitimate by all major political grouping in Thailand. This revolt will never end without a government that is perceived as legitimate, and only free and fair elections can deliver that.

And yes, order must be restored. Buy only by a government that is perceived to be legitimate by Reds and well as others.

If the Reds, or that matter the Yellows, continue with the kind of behaviour both have shown AFTER a free and fair election produces a government untainted by both Thaksin's sins and coup, then that government, not this one, would have the widely perceived legitimacy required to use force successfully.

Thailand isnt there yet. And it needs to get there fast. FAST, before society unravels.

And only a general amnesty will allow that to happen.

Thats right..... Give in to the terrorists!! Set an example for future generations!! What a load of old dross.

I realise we are in Thailand, because in any other country the Police and if neccessary the army, would have already dispersed the red mob. However I have an even simpler solution.

Just arrest all the red leaders, no bail, terrorist charges ( there is plenty of evidence) Go to jail, do not pass Go. See how long the mobs will last then. If Weng, Arisman, Seh Daeng and even Jatuporn (with him he should just magically disappear to negate his diplomatic immunity) are all inside, THEN if Abhisit means what he says, he can start putting his 5 step plan into action.

It is a big mistake to give into terrorists, and it will only come back to bite you in the ass.

Pick off the leaders.... should have been done professionally weeks ago..... now its a neccessity.

[bkkjames]

Anyway, CONGRATULATION TO THIS GOVT FOR GETTING BOOTED BY THE UNHRC - the reflection of truth.

This govt is only capable to assassin hapless harmless boat people in the hundreds a time. Extort hard working folks and has a deep rooted corruption. It can't provide security for it's inhabitants local or foreign and has no willingness to do so.

The previous governments didn't have deep rooted corruption. Their's was on the surface for everyone to see.

Funny to hear so many farang here condemn corruption and act so concerned about the poor of Thailand. If it wasn't for the corruption, the poor and the neglected most farang would not be here. They could say goodbye to low prices as well as the abundance of low priced working girls and girlfriends have their age and 1/10th their weight.

Low prices in BKK? Where?

Have (half my age) and 1/10th my weight? She would 26.5 years old and weigh 8.5 kilos. Nah, not really worth posting about was it?

[daboyz1]

And only a general amnesty will allow that to happen

you forgot to add, until the next time. A general amnesty is a green light to rinse and repeat.

Amnesty???!?!?!?!??!

Are you saying this is not about democracy and holding elections?

Certainly the red mob leaders are not concerned with criminal charges. This would be impossible because nobody would say on a daily basis that "their" people are willing to die for democracy at the hands of soldiers but then not be willing to face criminal charges.

Just look at Thaksin. A lot of people would say he is a coward and punk for running away, from a 2-year sentence that would have almost surely been suspended if he stuck around, but the truth is he went overseas to fight for democracy on a global basis.

I'm thinking that's a joke. You should put a at the end so everyone knows.

[earthpig]

Amnesty???!?!?!?!??!

Are you saying this is not about democracy and holding elections?

It does help if you actually READ the posts that you puport to respond to. Had you done so, you might have found my comment that an amensty is

"the only solution that holds out the opportunity, not the guarantee, of elections that are seen as legitimate by all major political grouping in Thailand. This revolt will never end without a government that is perceived as legitimate, and only free and fair elections can deliver that."

But knowing I said that would, of course, have required actually reading the post, which is a lot to ask for some minds excited by blood lust.

[rixalex]

And yes, order must be restored. Buy only by a government that is perceived to be legitimate by Reds and well as others.

Will there ever be a totally free and and fair election in Thailand? Not in our lifetimes i would imagine. Therefore they'll always be a group of people, no matter who is in power, who perceive that the government is not legitimate. When do we stop pandering to this group? Whenever "our team" is in power?

[gemini81]

Anyway, CONGRATULATION TO THIS GOVT FOR GETTING BOOTED BY THE UNHRC - the reflection of truth.

This govt is only capable to assassin hapless harmless boat people in the hundreds a time. Extort hard working folks and has a deep rooted corruption. It can't provide security for it's inhabitants local or foreign and has no willingness to do so.

The previous governments didn't have deep rooted corruption. Their's was on the surface for everyone to see.

Funny to hear so many farang here condemn corruption and act so concerned about the poor of Thailand. If it wasn't for the corruption, the poor and the neglected most farang would not be here. They could say goodbye to low prices as well as the abundance of low priced working girls and girlfriends half their age and 1/10th their weight.

haha isn't that so true! It's a love/hate deal with the corruption isn't it...the pantip copies the girls, and this and that, but we tend to hate it when it affects us negatively. such is our human nature, what more can you say?

[jcbangkok]

Anyway, CONGRATULATION TO THIS GOVT FOR GETTING BOOTED BY THE UNHRC - the reflection of truth.

Might want to get your facts straight before posting or was this purposely posted as truth knowing it is not accurate?

[gregb]

I agree with most of that... I guess. What would you have the govt. do? Go sing songs around a campfire and kiss and make up. I think you're being a little naieve here. ... But order must be restored.

The government should declare a general amnesty equally applicable to everyone from Abhisit all the way down to the bamboo spear totting Red. Only Montenegrin citizens should be excluded.

Is this a perfect solution? No. Is there a perfect solution? No.

Its the best available, because its the only solution that holds out the opportunity, not the guarantee, of elections that are seen as legitimate by all major political grouping in Thailand. This revolt will never end without a government that is perceived as legitimate, and only free and fair elections can deliver that.

And yes, order must be restored. Buy only by a government that is perceived to be legitimate by Reds and well as others.

If the Reds, or that matter the Yellows, continue with the kind of behaviour both have shown AFTER a free and fair election produces a government untainted by both Thaksin's sins and coup, then that government, not this one, would have the widely perceived legitimacy required to use force successfully.

Thailand isnt there yet. And it needs to get there fast. FAST, before society unravels.

And only a general amnesty will allow that to happen.

Absolutely unacceptable.

There should be a coup and maximum punishment for everyone who committed any transgressions.

Build a special camp in the middle of nowhere and throw all the miscreants in there until they recognise what they did wrong, apologise to the Thai people, and promise to accept the rule of law as the supreme code of conduct which is a fundamental necessity of any democracy.

Unless and until the people committing these atrocities against the Thais agree to act like adults and not like children, we need military rule.

Is this a perfect solution? No.

But it is a significant improvement over general amnesty.

[elcent]

Anyway, CONGRATULATION TO THIS GOVT FOR GETTING BOOTED BY THE UNHRC - the reflection of truth.

Might want to get your facts straight before posting or was this purposely posted as truth knowing it is not accurate?

Thailand, Malaysia Uganda and a few others got beforehand a long letter why they won't be able to join.

you might adjust to the facts, can you?

Edited May 13, 2010 by elcent

[chantorn]

I agree with most of that... I guess. What would you have the govt. do? Go sing songs around a campfire and kiss and make up. I think you're being a little naieve here. ... But order must be restored.

The government should declare a general amnesty equally applicable to everyone from Abhisit all the way down to the bamboo spear totting Red. Only Montenegrin citizens should be excluded.

Is this a perfect solution? No. Is there a perfect solution? No.

Its the best available, because its the only solution that holds out the opportunity, not the guarantee, of elections that are seen as legitimate by all major political grouping in Thailand. This revolt will never end without a government that is perceived as legitimate, and only free and fair elections can deliver that.

And yes, order must be restored. Buy only by a government that is perceived to be legitimate by Reds and well as others.

If the Reds, or that matter the Yellows, continue with the kind of behaviour both have shown AFTER a free and fair election produces a government untainted by both Thaksin's sins and coup, then that government, not this one, would have the widely perceived legitimacy required to use force successfully.

Thailand isnt there yet. And it needs to get there fast. FAST, before society unravels.

And only a general amnesty will allow that to happen.

Absolutely unacceptable.

There should be a coup and maximum punishment for everyone who committed any transgressions.

Build a special camp in the middle of nowhere and throw all the miscreants in there until they recognise what they did wrong, apologise to the Thai people, and promise to accept the rule of law as the supreme code of conduct which is a fundamental necessity of any democracy.

Unless and until the people committing these atrocities against the Thais agree to act like adults and not like children, we need military rule.

Is this a perfect solution? No.

But it is a significant improvement over general amnesty.

The RED should leave peacefully, and government should not arrest them.

[daboyz1]

I agree with most of that... I guess. What would you have the govt. do? Go sing songs around a campfire and kiss and make up. I think you're being a little naieve here. ... But order must be restored.

The government should declare a general amnesty equally applicable to everyone from Abhisit all the way down to the bamboo spear totting Red. Only Montenegrin citizens should be excluded.

Is this a perfect solution? No. Is there a perfect solution? No.

Its the best available, because its the only solution that holds out the opportunity, not the guarantee, of elections that are seen as legitimate by all major political grouping in Thailand. This revolt will never end without a government that is perceived as legitimate, and only free and fair elections can deliver that.

And yes, order must be restored. Buy only by a government that is perceived to be legitimate by Reds and well as others.

If the Reds, or that matter the Yellows, continue with the kind of behaviour both have shown AFTER a free and fair election produces a government untainted by both Thaksin's sins and coup, then that government, not this one, would have the widely perceived legitimacy required to use force successfully.

Thailand isnt there yet. And it needs to get there fast. FAST, before society unravels.

And only a general amnesty will allow that to happen.

Absolutely unacceptable.

There should be a coup and maximum punishment for everyone who committed any transgressions.

Build a special camp in the middle of nowhere and throw all the miscreants in there until they recognise what they did wrong, apologise to the Thai people, and promise to accept the rule of law as the supreme code of conduct which is a fundamental necessity of any democracy.

Unless and until the people committing these atrocities against the Thais agree to act like adults and not like children, we need military rule.

Is this a perfect solution? No.

But it is a significant improvement over general amnesty.

I agree. Things seemed to run pretty smoothly under the CNS after the 2006 coup. (I didn't care much for the new 3 tourist visas in a row and you're out rule imposed by them) but other than that things were stable.

[gregb]

The RED should leave peacefully, and government should not arrest them.

The red leaders should be arrested and tried without exception.

They have already proved they are not peaceful, nor do they desire peace.

There is no situation under which they should be allowed to walk.

[jcbangkok]

Anyway, CONGRATULATION TO THIS GOVT FOR GETTING BOOTED BY THE UNHRC - the reflection of truth.

Might want to get your facts straight before posting or was this purposely posted as truth knowing it is not accurate?

Thailand, Malaysia Uganda and a few others got beforehand a long letter why they won't be able to join.

Getting booted and not accepted are two different things. Also, I don't believe (but correct me if I am wrong) Thailand was not accepted but only that questions were raised mostly about the violence in the South being (not) investigated. Aren't the announcements supposed to happen today in terms of who officially will be allowed to join. There are open seats in Asia and it would seem Thailand will be getting one of them. Again, correct me if I am wrong as I might not be up on the most current happenings.

[gemini81]

I agree with most of that... I guess. What would you have the govt. do? Go sing songs around a campfire and kiss and make up. I think you're being a little naieve here. ... But order must be restored.

The government should declare a general amnesty equally applicable to everyone from Abhisit all the way down to the bamboo spear totting Red. Only Montenegrin citizens should be excluded.

Is this a perfect solution? No. Is there a perfect solution? No.

Its the best available, because its the only solution that holds out the opportunity, not the guarantee, of elections that are seen as legitimate by all major political grouping in Thailand. This revolt will never end without a government that is perceived as legitimate, and only free and fair elections can deliver that.

And yes, order must be restored. Buy only by a government that is perceived to be legitimate by Reds and well as others.

If the Reds, or that matter the Yellows, continue with the kind of behaviour both have shown AFTER a free and fair election produces a government untainted by both Thaksin's sins and coup, then that government, not this one, would have the widely perceived legitimacy required to use force successfully.

Thailand isnt there yet. And it needs to get there fast. FAST, before society unravels.

And only a general amnesty will allow that to happen.

Absolutely unacceptable.

There should be a coup and maximum punishment for everyone who committed any transgressions.

Build a special camp in the middle of nowhere and throw all the miscreants in there until they recognise what they did wrong, apologise to the Thai people, and promise to accept the rule of law as the supreme code of conduct which is a fundamental necessity of any democracy.

Unless and until the people committing these atrocities against the Thais agree to act like adults and not like children, we need military rule.

Is this a perfect solution? No.

But it is a significant improvement over general amnesty.

The RED should leave peacefully, and government should not arrest them.

that paints a pretty little fantasy picture, but thats not reality. and shouldn't criminals of their caliber be put away? if not, they'll be instigating more death and violence, 'specially if they don't get their way. get real.

[way2muchcoffee]

I wouldn't go with a general amnesty. The crimes are too severe for that.

Perhaps a kind probation/bail would be in order. The agreement would have to be that even the slightest misstep by any red leader would result in immediate revocation of bail and incarceration until the final appeal has been ruled on by the courts. Violation of the agreement would also result in an additional mandatory 2 year jail sentence on top of the sentences for the other crimes. Possible violations would include, but not be limited to, harassment of campaigners, defacing of campaign signs, vote buying, hate speech, etc. The charges would still need to go through the judicial system at the typically slow pace in Thailand.

Edited May 13, 2010 by way2muchcoffee

[h90]

CRES to Surround Red-shirts This Evening, No Live Bullet to Be Used

UPDATE : 13 May 2010

The Center for Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES) has announced that to encourage the protesters to disperse armored vehicles will be used to surround the anti-government red-shirt protesters this evening. No live bullet will be used.

from: http://www.tannetwork.tv/tan/ViewData.aspx?DataID=1029083

maybe happening the same as blocking water and electric since midnight.

[elcent]

Anyway, CONGRATULATION TO THIS GOVT FOR GETTING BOOTED BY THE UNHRC - the reflection of truth.

Might want to get your facts straight before posting or was this purposely posted as truth knowing it is not accurate?

Thailand, Malaysia Uganda and a few others got beforehand a long letter why they won't be able to join.

Getting booted and not accepted are two different things. Also, I don't believe (but correct me if I am wrong) Thailand was not accepted but only that questions were raised mostly about the violence in the South being (not) investigated. Aren't the announcements supposed to happen today in terms of who officially will be allowed to join. There are open seats in Asia and it would seem Thailand will be getting one of them. Again, correct me if I am wrong as I might not be up on the most current happenings.

The govt took it for granted to use it as a political tool and not to improve their low standards.

It's not only about the South, but also about the boat people, the Hmongs, War on drugs (2816 killings) and many other engraving human rights abuses in smaller cases the govt doesn't deal with.

I'll try to find the link for you ...

[SomTumTiger]

People keep saying Thailand was not accepted. Has something changed since this?

http://www.habibtoumi.com/2010/04/25/qatar...raws-candidacy/

Or this one, which says Thailand is running unopposed?

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=51375

Edited May 13, 2010 by SomTumTiger

[thaiedward]

Good. They have infringed on the rights of others for far to long.

I sympathize with many red-shirt concerns.

But their infringements have been numerous and costly on every avenue which might lead toward peaceful resolution. External sponsorship? Hopefully not.

It was pleasing for me to view a post referencing Bill Maher's efforts to reach for truthfulness and I hope that more folks continue to enjoy his presentations.

Kind regards,

[jcbangkok]

Anyway, CONGRATULATION TO THIS GOVT FOR GETTING BOOTED BY THE UNHRC - the reflection of truth.

Might want to get your facts straight before posting or was this purposely posted as truth knowing it is not accurate?

Thailand, Malaysia Uganda and a few others got beforehand a long letter why they won't be able to join.

Getting booted and not accepted are two different things. Also, I don't believe (but correct me if I am wrong) Thailand was not accepted but only that questions were raised mostly about the violence in the South being (not) investigated. Aren't the announcements supposed to happen today in terms of who officially will be allowed to join. There are open seats in Asia and it would seem Thailand will be getting one of them. Again, correct me if I am wrong as I might not be up on the most current happenings.

PS.

Do a Google Search for "Thailand joins the UN's HRC" and click on the first link. It is an Editorial from yesterday that ran in the other Bangkok English Newspaper.

Again, I could be wrong and only can go on what I have been reading which simply states there 'was" questions about Thailand "joining"

[Robby nz]

A helicopter has flown over the protest sight and:

I was in Rathchadamri when the helicopter flew overhead, witnessed fireworks being fired. Looks like the guys doing were having fun!

Does anyone other than me think this is gross stupidity?

How about if they were to hit the chopper and it came down in the middle of the city? "What fun"

Or if they were to set fire to their own tyre barrier. "More fun a BBQ but who would be the meat?"