Red-Shirts Leader Seh Daeng Shot In The Head - Fighting For His Life In ICU - Video

[lannarebirth]

apologies double post

You've got a lot more than that to apologize for.

[OzMick]

rumors will have it that it was a .308 Winchester rifle - that goes with 7.62x51 Ammo?

7.62 mm ----- guess that would inflict much heavier damage...

Any Expert comment on this?

Not an expert, but 7.62 is a common calibre, used by both NATO and Red Block. The rounds are quite different, The NATO round having a longer casing with more charge.

Used in AK-47, SLR, M-60 GPMG, and many, many hunting rifles. wiki will give you much more detail.

[TonyH]

This post demostrate what PAD and their falangs lover think country should be like. Elite in charge everybody else can die.

what a fool you are to think killing solve anything. only reds now can think they one nil down in assassination and have to make effort to equalise.

Stupid stupid to want more death.

Oh look, the farang basher is back again. You wanna see a fool face the mirror. I only agree with your last sentence...

Has anyone thought it might have been one of the reds that pulled the trigger?

[rogerdee123]

This post demostrate what PAD and their falangs lover think country should be like. Elite in charge everybody else can die.

what a fool you are to think killing solve anything. only reds now can think they one nil down in assassination and have to make effort to equalise.

Stupid stupid to want more death.

Oh look, the farang basher is back again. You wanna see a fool face the mirror. I only agree with your last sentence...

Has anyone thought it might have been one of the reds that pulled the trigger?

Do wild bears shit in the woods?

[whybother]

Why do you think it will be over if the protests are cleared ?

Might it not then become a non stop barrage of bombs and shootings ( one or two a week) for ever more in Bangkok, just as it is now in the South ?

Is the government going to keep SOE over 16 provinces for a year ?

This resembles now the Elites clinging on to power by using the big stick...... desperate not to have elections, desperate to kill and maim to cling on to power.

Those who think its all over by clearing this protest today must be totally mad....... it looks like this will carry on, in one form or another for a very long time to come, unless there is an election and very very soon.

The South should have taught everyone that the Army shooting people causes more to join the cause, not make the problem go away. The South is an ongoing issue for how many years now ?

Yes, the Reds have already shown their efforts with grenades around the country, haven't they.

Abhisit knows that there are violent reds all over the place, which is one of the reasons he hasn't just gone in and cleared the protests. This is a bigger problem that just Ratchaprasong, which is why the government have suggested the road map and peaceful solutions to end it.

Thaksin tried to cling to power by controlling all the important positions with his own people and rigging and buying elections, but couldn't get control of the army. After staying too long as an unelected care-taker PM, the army decided that enough was enough.

This time the army are telling the politicians to sort the mess out, but the reds don't want to negotiate.

The reds are more interested in violence. They don't want to fix the problems. They just want to be in power to enforce their form of democracy which has been on show for the last few weeks - complaining when anyone speaks out against them, searching people and cars, stopping spokesmen from speaking at rallies.

That's the sort of "democracy" we can expect from the reds if elections were called now.

[chadintheusa]

This post demostrate what PAD and their falangs lover think country should be like. Elite in charge everybody else can die.

what a fool you are to think killing solve anything. only reds now can think they one nil down in assassination and have to make effort to equalise.

Stupid stupid to want more death.

Oh look, the farang basher is back again. You wanna see a fool face the mirror. I only agree with your last sentence...

Has anyone thought it might have been one of the reds that pulled the trigger?

Do wild bears shit in the woods?

Do the red leaders sh!t on the hopes for peace of your average law abiding Thai citizen?

[Steely Dan]

Think the whole attempt - crossing over to violence makes the sore loser even a bigger loser!

See the writing on the wall - "War on drugs", "Tak Bai", Krue Sae"..... tells it all!

there is a lose cannon out there, who will go what ever it takes to take revenge -see how far he's gone already!

Wonder what happens if he decides it's all lost......

Megalomaniacs who go into narcissistic rage destroy all around them including themselves in the end. They have no friends or enemies the only thing they fear is being ignored - loss of power not money is the biggest factor here imho.

[OzMick]

just a thought - tonight when the red leaders get up on stage and start spewing hate, especially about being not afraid to die, can you imagine what would happen if a red laser beam started targetting the stage

[Motoon]

I wrongly posted this comment on another thread:

I think there are a number of (ex)military- or police-specialists in this forum, so a question to them: It was reported that the hospital operated on Seh Daeng this morning and removed a bullet. If he was shot by a sniper, assuming from some distance, wouldn't the high-speed bullet have passed through his head and made a sizable exit.wound instead ? Does the fact that he had a bullet in the head imply a shot from a less-powerful weapon, perhaps closer than your typical sniper would use ?

,308 is a very small sharply pointed (body armor penetrating) steel projectile that doesn't deform when entering the head - that why it would not cause a massive exit wound - it's the kinetic energy that causes the most damage when a subject is hit in the chest. If the bullet remained in the skull, the shot must have been fired from a substantial distance

but as I said, nobody can tell until forensics are known

One thing seems apparent, if it was a handgun shot from close range, wouldn't the journalist have notice this ?

Agree if it was a sniper shot. Depending on external conditions in the range of 800 - 1200m. I'm talking of a technical issue not the actual incident.

Where are you guys getting the information on the bullets caliber. I seriously doubt that a bullet was recovered at all (despite one report). A human head is not much of barrier for most rifles, I have seen what a .308 can do to a moose at 300 meters. I can't imagine that an unprotected head would stop one. And why do we think it is a .308 at all? If there is a recovered bullet than it couldn't have had much energy at impact, considering the guy lived through it.

I think that the bullet went clean through and that is why SD is still alive. Either that or a ricochet off the skull and no brain penetration.

In any case, it is still too early to know which reports are true.

Note that I was referring to a technical issue (see above) and not the incident. There are calculations charts to evaluate the technicalities, usually before the shot.

[Theoutsider]

Live by the sword.

[patjem]

Guys and girls. Do yourself a quick favour. Get your hands up off the keyboard. Place the tip of your right index finger just above your right temple, then the tip of your left index finger on your neck at the back. Scaring isn't it. Do we think that SD could breathe and function for himself right now? OK. We have evidence that the government ARE keeping him alive (his family have agreed DNR). Logical reasoning for the governments decision here?

Why would this be the government's decision? the medical profession are doing their job, which is to treat their patients. His family have agreed DNR.... it wouldn't have been the government who was asking.

[jcbangkok]

Can someone please at least provide a link to a video showing the process of him being shot?

You want at least a video of him being shot???

This video dose not exist sorry, I know how inconvinient.

If this was the US they would at least be airing a computer simulation of him being hit

[DickFarang]

Can someone please at least provide a link to a video showing the process of him being shot?

You want at least a video of him being shot???

This video dose not exist sorry, I know how inconvinient.

I saw it in this program:

http://www.bvn.nl/uitzendinggemist/view/Pa...itzendinggemist

Problem is that this program lasts 52:43 minutes and the fragment is very short (ca. 28:45-29:15).

[timekeeper]

i have just been watching TNN 24 of the current action, many petrol bombs were filmed being carried by protestors and at least two people with rifles wrapped on black plastic to try try to conceal them

so much for peaceful unarmed protestors...........

[jcbangkok]

Guys and girls. Do yourself a quick favour. Get your hands up off the keyboard. Place the tip of your right index finger just above your right temple, then the tip of your left index finger on your neck at the back. Scaring isn't it.

I wasn't scared but the GF did ask me if I was feeling okay when she saw me trying this.

[chadintheusa]

Can someone please at least provide a link to a video showing the process of him being shot?

You want at least a video of him being shot???

This video dose not exist sorry, I know how inconvinient.

If this was the US they would at least be airing a computer simulation of him being hit

There is plenty of evidence that he was shot without someone posting a live video of it. That may be something reds would do, but in civilized society it is unnecessary and cruel to his family.

[draftvader]

Guys and girls. Do yourself a quick favour. Get your hands up off the keyboard. Place the tip of your right index finger just above your right temple, then the tip of your left index finger on your neck at the back. Scaring isn't it.

I wasn't scared but the GF did ask me if I was feeling okay when she saw me trying this.

[dmax]

i wont be losing any sleep over it !!

Edited May 14, 2010 by dmax

[wayfarer108]

Abhisit knows that there are violent reds all over the place, which is one of the reasons he hasn't just gone in and cleared the protests. This is a bigger problem that just Ratchaprasong, which is why the government have suggested the road map and peaceful solutions to end it.

Thaksin tried to cling to power by controlling all the important positions with his own people and rigging and buying elections, but couldn't get control of the army. After staying too long as an unelected care-taker PM, the army decided that enough was enough.

This time the army are telling the politicians to sort the mess out, but the reds don't want to negotiate.

The reds are more interested in violence. They don't want to fix the problems. They just want to be in power to enforce their form of democracy which has been on show for the last few weeks - complaining when anyone speaks out against them, searching people and cars, stopping spokesmen from speaking at rallies.

That's the sort of "democracy" we can expect from the reds if elections were called now.

Bravo, this is one of the more lucid posts I've seen with regard to the current political crisis.

[animatic]

I wrongly posted this comment on another thread:

I think there are a number of (ex)military- or police-specialists in this forum, so a question to them: It was reported that the hospital operated on Seh Daeng this morning and removed a bullet. If he was shot by a sniper, assuming from some distance, wouldn't the high-speed bullet have passed through his head and made a sizable exit.wound instead ? Does the fact that he had a bullet in the head imply a shot from a less-powerful weapon, perhaps closer than your typical sniper would use ?

It would depend on what weapon was being used by the 'sniper' and his distance from the target. recently a British para sniper shot two guys in afghanistan from I believe 2 miles away (maybe someone can correct me on the distance), he was using a high powered rifle obviously so the bullets still had enough velocity to kill their targets. If it was not high velocity then it is possible the bullet would not reach the target in that instance.

Too many people get carried away with the word 'sniper' on here, it is just as possible it was from a different weapon at a closer distance, less velocity, but still aimed and fired nevertheless, possibly not a specialised sniper as they would not go for the head (even though the head normaly means a kill, they aim for the torso which is a larger area and a high velocity round would probably have the same result).

But in the case of a proper sniper from distance, the chances are he would use high velocity and that would probably cause more damage than we have here.

Due to the topography that the target found himself in when the shot was made, this shot was taken from a considerably short distance (no more than 100 yards) - unless of course a sniper was concealed up on one of the top floors of a very tall building (Bayoke Tower, for example) and put one down range from there. But i doubt that!

From an elevated point of concealment, at top range, even making adjustments for wind/bullet drop/humidity etc..... with all the wires, posts, overhead cables, concrete bridges, concrete overpasses in Bangkok acting as obstacles......i would say that the risk of taking and making a long range shot would be high ...and therefore very unlikely to be taken. It would be difficult for a sniper to predict where Seh Daeng would precisely be standing too....and when you think of all the physical obstacles preventing a clear line of sight, it would be very difficulty to find a strong laying up position without some kind of detailed prep (about where the target would precisely be standing). If that was done, then Seh Daeng was set up. Shock, horror!

The reason i believe the shot was taken from close quarters, with possibly a side-arm or low powered rifle, is because the target would NEVER have survived (a headshot, no less) if he had taken one from a sniper rifle at such short a distance (even at top range, the chances of him surviving a headshot are nil at best). Not only that, the round would have passed through the primary target and killed or seriously injured the guy standing behind him. A decent sniper's rifle can disable vehicles with a shot to the engine block - thats how powerful they are! The rounds are high calibre, they travel much faster than standard rounds...and they are heavier, bigger and so far more powerful. All in all, they do untold damage!!!

But the bullet that Seh Daeng took, was not a sniper's round!! Not in a million years! Even if they showed me "the" round, i would not believe it. But i guess they'll stick to their sensationalistic media hype and have us all believe there are ghillie suits everwhere.

Seh Daeng definately had a red shirt yesterday!!

Entered the temple exited the neck. Obviously shot from a quite high vantage point.

Long barrel, high power rifle, high velocity round, serious scope, with smoke sources as windage indicators

and SD doing a interview in a static place, wouldn't be that hard for a serious shooter.

Surely not the incompetents who tried to do Sondhi....

Edited May 14, 2010 by animatic

[lannarebirth]

Abhisit knows that there are violent reds all over the place, which is one of the reasons he hasn't just gone in and cleared the protests. This is a bigger problem that just Ratchaprasong, which is why the government have suggested the road map and peaceful solutions to end it.

Thaksin tried to cling to power by controlling all the important positions with his own people and rigging and buying elections, but couldn't get control of the army. After staying too long as an unelected care-taker PM, the army decided that enough was enough.

This time the army are telling the politicians to sort the mess out, but the reds don't want to negotiate.

The reds are more interested in violence. They don't want to fix the problems. They just want to be in power to enforce their form of democracy which has been on show for the last few weeks - complaining when anyone speaks out against them, searching people and cars, stopping spokesmen from speaking at rallies.

That's the sort of "democracy" we can expect from the reds if elections were called now.

Bravo, this is one of the more lucid posts I've seen with regard to the current political crisis.

There will be no more elections under Red Shirt democracy. One doesn't have to guess about that. They've telegraphed that fact in any number of ways.

Edited May 14, 2010 by lannarebirth

[DickFarang]

The Army should translate this into Thai and broadcast it very loudly over the rally area...[/b]

Exactly, followed by the message, leave now and live, stay and risk death.

This post demostrate what PAD and their falangs lover think country should be like.

What i dont understand is a Thai person coming onto an "expat" forum and telling the Falang that their opinion doesnt matter because they are falang...

Thats why we have an EXPAT forum... a place where Falang can come and tell other Falang what they think...

You are welcome to join in but we didnt say you have to like it... Go back and argue with your Thai counterparts if you dont like our opinion...

Not all farangs share the same opinion.

[Arkady]

Has anyone thought it might have been one of the reds that pulled the trigger?

We will probably never know but I wouldn't discount this possibility completely. There are no doubt several factions of armed reds in there and, given Seh Daeng's aggressive style, he may not have been universally loved by them. Since they must have been highly paid or promised a lot of dosh, it is very possible there was a dispute about money. If I had to bet though, I would put money on a rogue element in the army getting pay back for the assassination of Col Romklao. The least likely possibility seems to be that it was an assassination ordered by the CRES. It is far too leaky, weak and incompetent to organize a ruthless, efficient operation like this one.

Since the bullet went right through his head, his chances of survival must be virtually nil and, if he did, he would be a vegetable. I don't wish any one dead but he knew the risks and the following quote from when Jesus asked a follower not to use violence to defend him from the Romans seems apposite, "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." — Matthew 26:52

[animatic]

Abhisit knows that there are violent reds all over the place, which is one of the reasons he hasn't just gone in and cleared the protests. This is a bigger problem that just Ratchaprasong, which is why the government have suggested the road map and peaceful solutions to end it.

Thaksin tried to cling to power by controlling all the important positions with his own people and rigging and buying elections, but couldn't get control of the army. After staying too long as an unelected care-taker PM, the army decided that enough was enough.

This time the army are telling the politicians to sort the mess out, but the reds don't want to negotiate.

The reds are more interested in violence. They don't want to fix the problems. They just want to be in power to enforce their form of democracy which has been on show for the last few weeks - complaining when anyone speaks out against them, searching people and cars, stopping spokesmen from speaking at rallies.

That's the sort of "democracy" we can expect from the reds if elections were called now.

Bravo, this is one of the more lucid posts I've seen with regard to the current political crisis.

Yes, agreed.

[lannarebirth]

Has anyone thought it might have been one of the reds that pulled the trigger?

We will probably never know but I wouldn't discount this possibility completely. There are no doubt several factions of armed reds in there and, given Seh Daeng's aggressive style, he may not have been universally loved by them. Since they must have been highly paid or promised a lot of dosh, it is very possible there was a dispute about money. If I had to bet though, I would put money on a rogue element in the army getting pay back for the assassination of Col Romklao. The least likely possibility seems to be that it was an assassination ordered by the CRES. It is far too leaky, weak and incompetent to organize a ruthless, efficient operation like this one.

Since the bullet went right through his head, his chances of survival must be virtually nil and, if he did, he would be a vegetable. I don't wish any one dead but he knew the risks and the following quote from when Jesus asked a follower not to use violence to defend him from the Romans seems apposite, "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." — Matthew 26:52

Its a pretty sad fact that because the assasination attempt was succesful (or enough so) the government is likely precluded from having carried it out.

[Daewoo]

Entered the temple exited the neck. Obviously shot from a quite high vantage point.

Long barrel, high power rifle, high velocity round, serious scope, with smoke sources as windage indicators

and SD doing a interview in a static place, wouldn't be that hard for a serious shooter.

Not commenting on what a snipper could or couldn't do... I wouldn't have a clue...

But I find it hard to believe that IF it was a someone inside the red-shirt compound, close up, that no one would have seen the shooter, that the shooter wouldn't have been captured... IMHO since I haven't seen reports of the shooter being captured it was done from some distance from the crowd...

Doesn't answer who pulled the trigger, just that they weren't close by...

Daewoo

[JetsetBkk]

Entered the temple exited the neck. Obviously shot from a quite high vantage point.

Long barrel, high power rifle, high velocity round, serious scope, with smoke sources as windage indicators

and SD doing a interview in a static place, wouldn't be that hard for a serious shooter.

Not commenting on what a snipper could or couldn't do... I wouldn't have a clue...

But I find it hard to believe that IF it was a someone inside the red-shirt compound, close up, that no one would have seen the shooter, that the shooter wouldn't have been captured... IMHO since I haven't seen reports of the shooter being captured it was done from some distance from the crowd...

Doesn't answer who pulled the trigger, just that they weren't close by...

Daewoo

No, no! According to JD it was a side-to-side head shot from someone nearby. And we all know what an expert on Thailand JD is, so he must be right.

Side to side head-shot ... it wasn't a mistake but witnesses place the shooter INSIDE red controlled area.

[roykeanz]

Its impossible for another Army person to fill the role of Sae Daeng. His bamboo barricade technique was unconquerable and he didn't teach anyone the method. Nope, there is only one Army man who can lead a group of terrorists. The battle is over now. We can rest easy.

5555555555

Wait five years for the Movie that will feature this barricade.

so much bad press from assassination attempt that Thailand now going to have big problem in world. esp if they shoot more farmers.

Foreign media that is not control by PAD and Elite see Thai Gov CRES Elite V Farmers as David V Goliath. Just waiting for Army that is command by Goliaths brother but all Red soldiers not want to obey orders. Reds have won media war and gov will be on blacklists and arms bans next if continue to assasinate opposing partys.

PM could face charges if he lands in his HOMELAND!

Yawnnnnnn!!!!

More dumb Red Shirt BS. Replete with Pidgin English!!

Can nothing stop these Red Apologists crawling out of the dung?

OK ... let's take the bait!!

Do you mean "Farmers" like Seh Daeng and his paramilitary units, whose sole aim was and is bloodshed?

The same "Farmers" - paid by Thaksin - that have been terrorising Bangkok and certain other areas of the country for months?

"Farmers" that have killed numerous folk - bystanders, cops, soldiers ... their own supporters ?

"Farmers" that have maimed hundreds? "

"Farmers" that have caried out numerous kidnappings - inclduing cops, soldiers, civilians?

"Farmers" that have ruined the livelihood of thousands? (Including thousands from the same social "class" that these idiots fraudulently claim to be fighting for!)

"Farmers" that are ruining the Economy of Thailand?

"Farmers" that have done untold damage to property in BKK?

"Farmers" that have turned parts of BKK into a war-zone?

If you're in Thailand - but I somehow guess you're not - turn on any of the Thai news channels and see what your little "farmers" are doing on the streets of Bangkok right now!!

Some foreign media coverage of recent here has been really dumb. Yeah, we know. The media's dumbness though does not affect the reality.

And there is one reality - this is Thaksin's evil personal war against the people of Thailand (and anyone else who happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time!) until he gets what he wants (confiscated cash, amnesty, revenge, demolition of the power structure etc. etc. ..... basically total personal power, baby ... power!)

Mad dog Seh Daeng said it himself in typically quaint and childish terms yesterday (just before saying "Owwwwwwwwwww!!!! ) .... "Thaksin doesn't want the protest to be over. If it's over, then (he) won't be able to go home."

Awwwww .... Poor lil "goliath" Thaksin!!

Edited May 14, 2010 by roykeanz

[JetsetBkk]

Yes, the Reds have already shown their efforts with grenades around the country, haven't they.

Abhisit knows that there are violent reds all over the place, which is one of the reasons he hasn't just gone in and cleared the protests. This is a bigger problem that just Ratchaprasong, which is why the government have suggested the road map and peaceful solutions to end it.

Thaksin tried to cling to power by controlling all the important positions with his own people and rigging and buying elections, but couldn't get control of the army. After staying too long as an unelected care-taker PM, the army decided that enough was enough.

This time the army are telling the politicians to sort the mess out, but the reds don't want to negotiate.

The reds are more interested in violence...

<snip>

Oh, what a shame. And you were doing so well, too.

What a pity the rest of your post is full of the usual anti-red bullsh1t. The beginning was fairly good.

3 out of 10

[redparrot]

Unfortunately it looks like there is "no way out" for Thailand of this political crisis. Either way it will be the yellow or the red shirts taking to the streets, no matter who wins.