Thaksin - Will Interpol Act?

[jdinasia]

It's a shame that interpol and other foreign governments have ignored requests to extradite Thaksin and have even aided his fugitive lifestyle. Countries like France and Montenegro that knowingly allow Thaksin on their soil are no better than Afghanistan and are harboring a terrorist leader. Thaksin has the right to defend himself in court and respond to the evidence against him and interpol ought to help him do that.

If Thaksin had committed terrorism against the USA it is likely that they would hunt him and kill him regardless of which country he fled to, I guess he's lucky to be Thai, or Montenegrian, or whatever he claims to be at the moment.

It's because these countries have an independent judiciary...and they don't trump up false charges......grow up...

Thailand has an independant judiciary as well ... and better yet Thailand's judiciary doesn't make ANY charges. That is not their job (or the job of the judiciary elsewhere.)

The fact that the judges apparently can't be bought (as seen by the case where Thaksin's lawyers went to jail for attempting it .....) looks rather promising for Thailand's future.

[chadintheusa]

In the past Thailand has cooperated in arresting foreigners and extraditing them for serious offenses. If interpol won't act I suggest that Thailand review its own policy toward international policing. It's a two way street, financing and planning the overthrow of the the Thai government is a serious charge that deserves the cooperation of international governments to resolve. In the past Thailand has arrested terrorists like Viktor Bout and Hambali. Interpol should do its job and track Thaksin and facilitate his arrest when possible. It is not interpol's job to speculate on the nature of the charges or to judge Thaksin themselves. Thailand has its own courts for that. When he appears in a Thai court he can hear the evidence against him and respond, these charges should not be tried in the media but in an appropriate forum.

[chadintheusa]

Did anyone see Thaksin running around Bangkok with a gallon of gas and a box of matches?

Have you ever seen Bin Laden actually commiting an act of terrorism with his own hands? No? Guess that means he's not a terrorist either.

bin laden challange the country and will do act of terrorism to the country which make him a terrorist. you also another one never read news.

Did anyone see Nuttawat, Jatuporn, Seh Daeng, Arisman, Veera, or Weng with matches or gas? But did anyone hear them see them on video instructing their followers to burn buildings? People like Thaksin don't do their own dirty work, that doesn't mean that they don't bear responsibility for what happens. Let him appear in court see the evidence and give his own account, then let him be judged fairly for what he is accused of.

[LaoPo]

It's a shame that interpol and other foreign governments have ignored requests to extradite Thaksin and have even aided his fugitive lifestyle.

There are quite a few countries, including the USA, who wouldn't even extradite one of their own citizens to the International Justice Tribune in The Hague.

So, better stop blaming Interpol or other foreign countries.

LaoPo

[chadintheusa]

Let's use common sense. Are their any other billionaires who had a large portion of their wealth confiscated by the Thai government within days of the beginning of the red protests? Did any other billionaires have their family flee the country prior to the key events during the protests? Have any other billionaire's family recently spent 800 million baht on amulets and lottery tickets? Is there anyone else who the red leaders claimed to be taking their orders from? Did anyone else stand to gain as much by overthrowing the government? If there is a better suspect I'm sure we'd all be interested in the identity of that person. I know people here want evidence, but the government is not obligated to post it on Thaivisa, a Thai courtroom is the appropriate place. I know Thaksin would want to clear his name, that way he can use it in his passports instead of using aliases.

[gregb]

In the past Thailand has cooperated in arresting foreigners and extraditing them for serious offenses. If interpol won't act I suggest that Thailand review its own policy toward international policing. It's a two way street, financing and planning the overthrow of the the Thai government is a serious charge that deserves the cooperation of international governments to resolve. In the past Thailand has arrested terrorists like Viktor Bout and Hambali. Interpol should do its job and track Thaksin and facilitate his arrest when possible. It is not interpol's job to speculate on the nature of the charges or to judge Thaksin themselves. Thailand has its own courts for that. When he appears in a Thai court he can hear the evidence against him and respond, these charges should not be tried in the media but in an appropriate forum.

It goes even further than that.

Once he is arrested, he will have a chance to fight extradition in a foreign court which is supposedly unbiased.

It is absolutely NOT the job of Interpol to selectively enforce their mandate based solely on their personal feelings of guilt or innocence. It is inexcusable for them to apply "double standards" (I really wanted to use that word) in this case.

Their only reaction to these charges is to do their job and take Thaksin into custody. He can sit under house arrest in a foreign guilded cage for a decade while he fights extradition. That would suit everyone just fine. As long as there is a way to shut that man up and stop him from inciting further hatred and division in Thailand I will be happy.

[saintofsilence]

If Thaksin thinks that the Montenegro Authorities will not assist Interpol he should read this

Montenegro police make latest Pink Panther arrest

With INTERPOL in July 2007 having set up Project Pink Panthers, an international cell co-ordinating worldwide police intelligence across its 188 member countries against the gang, the arrest of Vuckovic in Montenegro represents the latest in a series of arrests of Pink Panther suspects in recent years by police worldwide working in liaison with INTERPOL’s Pink Panthers Project, including high-profile arrests in Cyprus, France and Monaco.

“Vuckovic’s arrest once again demonstrates the benefits of law enforcement around the world sharing essential information which can be followed up by police on the ground and produce results, in particular in the search for fugitives,” said INTERPOL’s Executive Director of Police Services, Jean-Michel Louboutin.

“INTERPOL therefore congratulates the Montenegrin, Austrian and Serbian authorities for their collaborative efforts which led to the arrest of this wanted individual,” added Mr Louboutin

http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/PressR...R2010/PR028.asp

[Jimi007]

It's a shame that interpol and other foreign governments have ignored requests to extradite Thaksin and have even aided his fugitive lifestyle. Countries like France and Montenegro that knowingly allow Thaksin on their soil are no better than Afghanistan and are harboring a terrorist leader. Thaksin has the right to defend himself in court and respond to the evidence against him and interpol ought to help him do that.

If Thaksin had committed terrorism against the USA it is likely that they would hunt him and kill him regardless of which country he fled to, I guess he's lucky to be Thai, or Montenegrian, or whatever he claims to be at the moment.

It's because these countries have an independent judiciary...and they don't trump up false charges......grow up...

From "http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/asia-pacific/fugitive-former-thai-leader-warns-of-further-violence/article1581478/":Mr. Thaksin said he believed his enemies would try to kill him if he returned to Thailand. “During my premiership, they tried to assassinate me four times,” he said.

I remember two of those four 'attempts', the Thai plane which caught fire while on the ground (got too hot, fuel in wings caught fire?), very vague incident, bomb thrown at his car or so (never got any, but vague details, sounded like trumped up incident).

There was an assassination attempt on PM Abisit the other year. His car was riddled with bullets by men on motorbikes, who got away. I never remember an an attempt on Mr. Thaksin. But I think there will be enough evidence against him to indite him...

[Jimi007]

It's a shame that interpol and other foreign governments have ignored requests to extradite Thaksin and have even aided his fugitive lifestyle. Countries like France and Montenegro that knowingly allow Thaksin on their soil are no better than Afghanistan and are harboring a terrorist leader. Thaksin has the right to defend himself in court and respond to the evidence against him and interpol ought to help him do that.

If Thaksin had committed terrorism against the USA it is likely that they would hunt him and kill him regardless of which country he fled to, I guess he's lucky to be Thai, or Montenegrian, or whatever he claims to be at the moment.

It's because these countries have an independent judiciary...and they don't trump up false charges......grow up...

Thailand has an independant judiciary as well ... and better yet Thailand's judiciary doesn't make ANY charges. That is not their job (or the job of the judiciary elsewhere.)

The fact that the judges apparently can't be bought (as seen by the case where Thaksin's lawyers went to jail for attempting it .....) looks rather promising for Thailand's future.

Hmm, here I go agreeing again! Ah yes, the box of cookies left by Mr. Thaksin's lawyers for the Supreme court. How much money was in that box? But surely he was not guilty of anything! Still isn't. Oh, that's right, he has been convicted of misuse of power or was it corruption? Wasn't that why his assets were seized by The Thai Supreme Court late February and then there was a "peaceful" protest that started shortly after that decision? Didn't "peaceful" protest turn into anarchy in the streets? Didn't Thaksin phone in or Skype in to the protesters everyday? Did he not incite them? I guess that would depend on your understanding or lack of what was said... Or just your personal point of view?

Too much fuzzy logic posted on this thread. But there are facts that can't be disputed, but of course they will be!

Will Interpol actually do anything? Good question. But there no answers here, we'll just have to wait and see...

[Jingthing]

In the past Thailand has cooperated in arresting foreigners and extraditing them for serious offenses. If interpol won't act I suggest that Thailand review its own policy toward international policing. It's a two way street, financing and planning the overthrow of the the Thai government is a serious charge that deserves the cooperation of international governments to resolve. In the past Thailand has arrested terrorists like Viktor Bout and Hambali. Interpol should do its job and track Thaksin and facilitate his arrest when possible. It is not interpol's job to speculate on the nature of the charges or to judge Thaksin themselves. Thailand has its own courts for that. When he appears in a Thai court he can hear the evidence against him and respond, these charges should not be tried in the media but in an appropriate forum.

It goes even further than that.

Once he is arrested, he will have a chance to fight extradition in a foreign court which is supposedly unbiased.

It is absolutely NOT the job of Interpol to selectively enforce their mandate based solely on their personal feelings of guilt or innocence. It is inexcusable for them to apply "double standards" (I really wanted to use that word) in this case.

Their only reaction to these charges is to do their job and take Thaksin into custody. He can sit under house arrest in a foreign guilded cage for a decade while he fights extradition. That would suit everyone just fine. As long as there is a way to shut that man up and stop him from inciting further hatred and division in Thailand I will be happy.

I agree. That would be most excellent. If Interpol decides not to cooperate with the government of Thailand on this, they are basically saying they don't recognize the government here as legitimate. Where would they have gotten that idea? Thaksin's and Robert Amsterdam's propaganda is where. Wise move of Thaksin to put his money into legal PR at this time.

Edited May 27, 2010 by Jingthing

[rixalex]

There was an assassination attempt on PM Abisit the other year. His car was riddled with bullets by men on motorbikes, who got away.

I think you are refering to the attack on Sondhi's car.

[smedly]

Thailand has come the laughing stock of the western world. Charging him as a terrorist because he made speeches to the Red Shirts against the government is not terrorisms.

well it depends on how you define political

If burning down/destroying buildings in major cities after threatening to do so also threatening members of the sitting government, using lethal force against the legal authorities in order to achieve political end and threatening to do so..............not quite sure that this could be defined as political, it is terrorism, you cross the line when you threaten to do stuff unless you get your way.

[chantorn]

It's a shame that interpol and other foreign governments have ignored requests to extradite Thaksin and have even aided his fugitive lifestyle. Countries like France and Montenegro that knowingly allow Thaksin on their soil are no better than Afghanistan and are harboring a terrorist leader. Thaksin has the right to defend himself in court and respond to the evidence against him and interpol ought to help him do that.

If Thaksin had committed terrorism against the USA it is likely that they would hunt him and kill him regardless of which country he fled to, I guess he's lucky to be Thai, or Montenegrian, or whatever he claims to be at the moment.

It's because these countries have an independent judiciary...and they don't trump up false charges......grow up...

From "http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/asia-pacific/fugitive-former-thai-leader-warns-of-further-violence/article1581478/":Mr. Thaksin said he believed his enemies would try to kill him if he returned to Thailand. "During my premiership, they tried to assassinate me four times," he said.

I remember two of those four 'attempts', the Thai plane which caught fire while on the ground (got too hot, fuel in wings caught fire?), very vague incident, bomb thrown at his car or so (never got any, but vague details, sounded like trumped up incident).

How many plane just caught fire on the ground, like that in the world? Only one, this one.

Especially when a PM is about to fly on it. Coincidental? Yes, I believe so. Who would want to kill Thaksin.

[bartlaz]

Thailand has come the laughing stock of the western world. Charging him as a terrorist become he made speeches to the Red Shirts against the government is not terrorisms.

No, but funding a terrorist Organisation and ordering them to commit treason certainly is .............. And what leads you to believe Thailand is a laughing stock... Thailand has just been invited to join The worlds leading Human Rights Organisation ... so, who is laughing. Mr Abhisit did a great job with the UDD, most other countries would have gone in much earlier and caused considerable more deaths... He has been applauded by many world leaders including Obama...I think President Obamas opinion is much more important than any Red Shirt Apologists writing rubbish on TV... Did you not see the burning buildings in this beautiful city ?

The red shirts are a terrorist organization????? What about the Yellow shirts they are not?????? Who funded them????? Why aren't they charged. This is why Thailand is becoming the laughing stock of the world So one sided. This is why you will never have peace here.

How many grenades did the yellow shirts have? How many police and soldiers were killed by the yellow shirts? How many by-standers were killed by the yellow shirts?

Occupying the airport was illegal, inconvenienced thousands of people, and was terrible for Thai tourism, but how is that terrorism?

And how many times do people have to be told!!! People HAVE BEEN charged for that.

ahahahaa people have been charged for that. from whom? eheheheheheh

[mazeltov]

Interpol won't act on 'political' arrest warrant

Thaksin denies financing red movement

Former Thai prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra said in a television interview that Interpol would not execute a Thai warrant for his arrest on terrorism charges because it was politically motivated,.

He told Australian Broadcasting Corp by telephone late Wednesday that he had never supported violent protest.

"Interpol have their own criteria to judge, that is, to not be politically motivated. This is clearly politically motivated and there is no ground," he added.

Thaksin said Interpol, the Paris-based international police intelligence-sharing association, would not act on such a groundless and politically motivated warrant.

An Interpol official was not immediately available for comment on Thursday.

The Thai Criminal Court has issued an arrest warrant for Thaksin on terrorism charges for allegedly involving in the red protests in Bangkok that left 88 people dead.

"In my mind, I always advocate ... peaceful protest," he said. "Thailand needs reconciliation."

He described the burning of buildings blamed on his supporters as a "set up."

"The big fire ... must be the work of (a) professional," he said.

He said it was "definitely" not the work of a red shirt and "it must be well planned ahead."

"As an ex-police (officer), I can assure you that this is a well planned and professionally done" act of arson, he said.

Meanwhile he told New York Times he did not finance or organize the Red Shirt movement that had staged a two-month sit-in here.

"No, no, no," he said.

As evidence, he said that during the military crackdown last week when 15 people died, "I was in Paris they sent my picture shopping at Louis Vuitton with my daughter."

After that, as red shirt leaders were being rounded up and arrested in Thailand, he said, he went to the Cannes film festival.

"I am in contact with them, and they ask for advice sometimes," he said, describing his relationship with the protest leaders. Some of those leaders asserted that he was more directly involved.

The telephone interview was one of several media interviews organized by lawyers for Thaksin, who was speaking from an undisclosed location outside Thailand, on the same day they filed an appeal against the terrorism accusation; the charge carries a maximum sentence of death.

"I have been in Uganda, Moscow, Saudi and Lebanon," he said, naming just a few of the countries he has visited on what seems an endless world tour.

"During what is happening in Thailand, I'm traveling for my business in many countries," he said. "How can I become a terrorist?"

-- The Nation 2010-05-27

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Thaksin said Interpol, the Paris-based international police intelligence-sharing association, would not act on such a groundless and politically motivated warrant.

my Thaksin is an impudent man

he is even telling Interpol what they can do

someone should send this article to the Chief at Interpol and see how he feels about a convicted criminal and accused terrorist telling him how to do his job.

Time to get real. how often we had heard some thai government statement/fantasy that interpol will 'bring Thaksin back'. But it never happened.

I guess you failed to realise that Interpol said exactly that about the previous charges on Thaksin ''politically motivated" sme as a lot of othr countries did it and never react on any extradition requests.

its also now time to realise that despite some patrons of beer bars in Thailand there is no international community that sees Thaksin as a paria and an uber mastermind criminal.

Diplomats and state officials in your home countries act sober and will not listen to the opinions of some grumpy old expats in Thailand who hate Thksin for whatever reason (probably for being thai/chinese and having money unlike them).

from the OP, Thai officials finally admit that they never had a chance to 'get' Thaksin with interpol:

"Thai police failed in previous attempts to have Thaksin placed on Interpol's wanted list despite a top court sentencing him to two years jail over the Ratchadaphisek land deal.

Interpol considered the case to be politically motivated,

said Police Maj-General Therdsak Rujirawong, commander of the Royal Thai Police's International Affairs Division."

[jdinasia]

If Thaksin thinks that the Montenegro Authorities will not assist Interpol he should read this

Montenegro police make latest Pink Panther arrest

With INTERPOL in July 2007 having set up Project Pink Panthers, an international cell co-ordinating worldwide police intelligence across its 188 member countries against the gang, the arrest of Vuckovic in Montenegro represents the latest in a series of arrests of Pink Panther suspects in recent years by police worldwide working in liaison with INTERPOL's Pink Panthers Project, including high-profile arrests in Cyprus, France and Monaco.

"Vuckovic's arrest once again demonstrates the benefits of law enforcement around the world sharing essential information which can be followed up by police on the ground and produce results, in particular in the search for fugitives," said INTERPOL's Executive Director of Police Services, Jean-Michel Louboutin.

"INTERPOL therefore congratulates the Montenegrin, Austrian and Serbian authorities for their collaborative efforts which led to the arrest of this wanted individual," added Mr Louboutin

http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/PressR...R2010/PR028.asp

The issue with Montenegro is that they do NOT extradite their citizens to face trial or to serve time after they are sentenced. I think you will find that this is true of any of the places that Thaksin is rumored to hold a passport for.

[mazeltov]

There is another charge that can be brought against Thaksin, namely a crime against Humanity. However I doubt Thai society, being morally blind, will countenance it. I recall that in 2003 almost 2,500 people, including a nine year child were done to death by the Thaksin regime in a so called war against drugs. It later transpired that most of the victims were innocent and to compound the offence the murdered innocents were, and still are, slandered as unrepentant drug dealers. Drawling drawing room Marxist apologists continue to cite that there is no proof to implicate Thaksin or his Ministers. However he was PM and if we employ normal standards of accountability then he and his ministers have a prima facie case of a crime against humanity to answer. Murder on this scale definitely constitutes a Crime against Humanity!

And what would be your conclusion about the death in the last two month?

[chantorn]

Interpol won't act on 'political' arrest warrant

Thaksin denies financing red movement

Former Thai prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra said in a television interview that Interpol would not execute a Thai warrant for his arrest on terrorism charges because it was politically motivated,.

He told Australian Broadcasting Corp by telephone late Wednesday that he had never supported violent protest.

"Interpol have their own criteria to judge, that is, to not be politically motivated. This is clearly politically motivated and there is no ground," he added.

Thaksin said Interpol, the Paris-based international police intelligence-sharing association, would not act on such a groundless and politically motivated warrant.

An Interpol official was not immediately available for comment on Thursday.

The Thai Criminal Court has issued an arrest warrant for Thaksin on terrorism charges for allegedly involving in the red protests in Bangkok that left 88 people dead.

"In my mind, I always advocate ... peaceful protest," he said. "Thailand needs reconciliation."

He described the burning of buildings blamed on his supporters as a "set up."

"The big fire ... must be the work of (a) professional," he said.

He said it was "definitely" not the work of a red shirt and "it must be well planned ahead."

"As an ex-police (officer), I can assure you that this is a well planned and professionally done" act of arson, he said.

Meanwhile he told New York Times he did not finance or organize the Red Shirt movement that had staged a two-month sit-in here.

"No, no, no," he said.

As evidence, he said that during the military crackdown last week when 15 people died, "I was in Paris they sent my picture shopping at Louis Vuitton with my daughter."

After that, as red shirt leaders were being rounded up and arrested in Thailand, he said, he went to the Cannes film festival.

"I am in contact with them, and they ask for advice sometimes," he said, describing his relationship with the protest leaders. Some of those leaders asserted that he was more directly involved.

The telephone interview was one of several media interviews organized by lawyers for Thaksin, who was speaking from an undisclosed location outside Thailand, on the same day they filed an appeal against the terrorism accusation; the charge carries a maximum sentence of death.

"I have been in Uganda, Moscow, Saudi and Lebanon," he said, naming just a few of the countries he has visited on what seems an endless world tour.

"During what is happening in Thailand, I'm traveling for my business in many countries," he said. "How can I become a terrorist?"

-- The Nation 2010-05-27

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

Thaksin said Interpol, the Paris-based international police intelligence-sharing association, would not act on such a groundless and politically motivated warrant.

my Thaksin is an impudent man

he is even telling Interpol what they can do

someone should send this article to the Chief at Interpol and see how he feels about a convicted criminal and accused terrorist telling him how to do his job.

Time to get real. how often we had heard some thai government statement/fantasy that interpol will 'bring Thaksin back'. But it never happened.

I guess you failed to realise that Interpol said exactly that about the previous charges on Thaksin ''politically motivated" sme as a lot of othr countries did it and never react on any extradition requests.

its also now time to realise that despite some patrons of beer bars in Thailand there is no international community that sees Thaksin as a paria and an uber mastermind criminal.

Diplomats and state officials in your home countries act sober and will not listen to the opinions of some grumpy old expats in Thailand who hate Thksin for whatever reason (probably for being thai/chinese and having money unlike them).

from the OP, Thai officials finally admit that they never had a chance to 'get' Thaksin with interpol:

"Thai police failed in previous attempts to have Thaksin placed on Interpol's wanted list despite a top court sentencing him to two years jail over the Ratchadaphisek land deal.

Interpol considered the case to be politically motivated,

said Police Maj-General Therdsak Rujirawong, commander of the Royal Thai Police's International Affairs Division."

This time is different.

Thaksin burn down Bangkok and many other cities.

Thaksin also kill 85 people. The army kill zero people.

[chantorn]

There is another charge that can be brought against Thaksin, namely a crime against Humanity. However I doubt Thai society, being morally blind, will countenance it. I recall that in 2003 almost 2,500 people, including a nine year child were done to death by the Thaksin regime in a so called war against drugs. It later transpired that most of the victims were innocent and to compound the offence the murdered innocents were, and still are, slandered as unrepentant drug dealers. Drawling drawing room Marxist apologists continue to cite that there is no proof to implicate Thaksin or his Ministers. However he was PM and if we employ normal standards of accountability then he and his ministers have a prima facie case of a crime against humanity to answer. Murder on this scale definitely constitutes a Crime against Humanity!

And what would be your conclusion about the death in the last two month?

I agree that murder on this scale definitely constitutes a Crime against Humanity. Thaksin must be trial in ICJ, not Kangaroo court.

[mazeltov]

The airport was operational within 2 days. The huge clean up bill was for government house.

Edit: What were their demands that they acheived 100% of? The courts disbanded the PPP, but the PTP were still in government.

Their demand was to simply dissolve the government... the same basic demand that the red shirts had. Both parties had a lot on their agenda besides (red = exonerate Thaksin and friends / yellow = disenfranchise uneducated voters), but only the yellows got what they wanted again and again. The only thing they couldn't do is influence the election after Thaksin dissolved the gov't under pressure from them and then won again.

The methods to begin with were almost identical. Both called for rallies. Both paid -some- people to be there (the yellows did this openly on their television station), raised funds (from multiple sources), and used violence and threats against media and civilians that were bold enough to disagree with them. The main difference is that the yellows had active military units acting as guards, and the reds had active military units acting as aggressors.

But they didn't dissolve the government, and they stopped protesting. As I said above, the PTP were still in government when the yellows stopped their protests.

When did the yellows use violence and threats against the media and civilians?

They did.

are you sure that you are not another apologists for the team yellow by any chance?

[lannarebirth]

It's a shame that interpol and other foreign governments have ignored requests to extradite Thaksin and have even aided his fugitive lifestyle. Countries like France and Montenegro that knowingly allow Thaksin on their soil are no better than Afghanistan and are harboring a terrorist leader. Thaksin has the right to defend himself in court and respond to the evidence against him and interpol ought to help him do that.

If Thaksin had committed terrorism against the USA it is likely that they would hunt him and kill him regardless of which country he fled to, I guess he's lucky to be Thai, or Montenegrian, or whatever he claims to be at the moment.

It's because these countries have an independent judiciary...and they don't trump up false charges......grow up...

Thailand has an independant judiciary as well ... and better yet Thailand's judiciary doesn't make ANY charges. That is not their job (or the job of the judiciary elsewhere.)

The fact that the judges apparently can't be bought (as seen by the case where Thaksin's lawyers went to jail for attempting it .....) looks rather promising for Thailand's future.

Hmm, here I go agreeing again! Ah yes, the box of cookies left by Mr. Thaksin's lawyers for the Supreme court. How much money was in that box? But surely he was not guilty of anything! Still isn't. Oh, that's right, he has been convicted of misuse of power or was it corruption? Wasn't that why his assets were seized by The Thai Supreme Court late February and then there was a "peaceful" protest that started shortly after that decision? Didn't "peaceful" protest turn into anarchy in the streets? Didn't Thaksin phone in or Skype in to the protesters everyday? Did he not incite them? I guess that would depend on your understanding or lack of what was said... Or just your personal point of view?

Too much fuzzy logic posted on this thread. But there are facts that can't be disputed, but of course they will be!

Will Interpol actually do anything? Good question. But there no answers here, we'll just have to wait and see...

Of course they didn't take the bribe, it was insultingly small. I'm sorry to say I have a much lower regard for the judiciary here than you do. Not to say they are in the pocket of any particular interest, but they would appear to be rather spineless and are often not willing to take the heat that the nature of their profession brings. They seem well aware they are among the "elite" or the recent Thaksin assets seizure case wouldn't have required 7? hours to read the verdicts to mollify the most ignorant of viewers. They took the time because they were scared to death of doing their jobs without reprisals. That they are probably the strongest of the "democratic pillars" here isn't saying much.

Edited May 27, 2010 by lannarebirth

[Jimi007]

There was an assassination attempt on PM Abisit the other year. His car was riddled with bullets by men on motorbikes, who got away.

I think you are refering to the attack on Sondhi's car.

You may be correct.. Time flies when you're having fun! But then there was this:

Intelligence organs have warned of an assassination plot against Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, which is why he had to take cover inside the 11th Infantry Regiment base, PM's Office Minister Satit Wongnongtaey said yesterday.

Metropolitan Police spokesman Maj Gen Piya Uthayo also said police obtained a tip-off the premier and some other heavyweights were targets of death squads.

City police had stepped up their already-strict security measures for the key figures, he said.

Up to six groups known for violence and inciting chaos in the country are being monitored for possible attacks, he said.

Abhisit dodged a question from reporters about the assassination plan, leaving in his armoured vehicle without responding.

[mazeltov]

It may be in the interest of the Thai government, if it wants to taken seriously. For instance, the EU wanted to send observers to cover the last election 2007 (also an internal affair), but the army junta refused to even discuss the idea.

Given that Thailands recent problems are based around "free and fair" elections, it would be a good idea to have international observers.

But I don't really see either side agreeing to this.

I didn't know the red side was against international observers. Do you have any link supporting this?

Here is an article on the topic:

http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2...ctoral-culture/

Thaksin has gone on record saying 'the UN is not my father' when some asked about the 2500+ drugwar deaths. In the recent 'protest' the UDD leaders (and maybe PTP MPs) have petitioned UN, USA, UK and EU to sent observers to protect them from this obviously evil government (petition accepted, no comment, don't call us, we call you.). Internal affair. Now that this protest is over I very much doubt any of the parties involved wants foreign influence. It would spoil the Thai fun.

who would Thais like Thaksin consider as their father? It is essential to know that to understand this comment in its context.

[mazeltov]

There is another charge that can be brought against Thaksin, namely a crime against Humanity. However I doubt Thai society, being morally blind, will countenance it. I recall that in 2003 almost 2,500 people, including a nine year child were done to death by the Thaksin regime in a so called war against drugs. It later transpired that most of the victims were innocent and to compound the offence the murdered innocents were, and still are, slandered as unrepentant drug dealers. Drawling drawing room Marxist apologists continue to cite that there is no proof to implicate Thaksin or his Ministers. However he was PM and if we employ normal standards of accountability then he and his ministers have a prima facie case of a crime against humanity to answer. Murder on this scale definitely constitutes a Crime against Humanity!

Thaksin has been charged and acquitted for this already. Besides, the war on drugs appeared to have the support from a higher institution.

Sorry, discussion of the higher institution is not allowed.

Please don't try to lead the discussion into that direction.

Everyone in TV will get into trouble.

You can listen to birthday speeches of 2002 and 2003 without getting into trouble.

That will also help to get a clue why Thaksin said that the UN is not his father.

[Colabamumbai]

Stay off the interpol list by being corrupt?????

[lannarebirth]

Given that Thailands recent problems are based around "free and fair" elections, it would be a good idea to have international observers.

But I don't really see either side agreeing to this.

I didn't know the red side was against international observers. Do you have any link supporting this?

Here is an article on the topic:

http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2...ctoral-culture/

Thaksin has gone on record saying 'the UN is not my father' when some asked about the 2500+ drugwar deaths. In the recent 'protest' the UDD leaders (and maybe PTP MPs) have petitioned UN, USA, UK and EU to sent observers to protect them from this obviously evil government (petition accepted, no comment, don't call us, we call you.). Internal affair. Now that this protest is over I very much doubt any of the parties involved wants foreign influence. It would spoil the Thai fun.

who would Thais like Thaksin consider as their father? It is essential to know that to understand this comment in its context.

You know, parsing can be a suitable tool when arguing a point, but it can also be taken to ridiculous extremes.

[Jimi007]

Of course they didn't take the bribe, it was insultingly small. I'm sorry to say I have a much lower regard for the judiciary here than you do. Not to say they are in the pocket of any particular interest, but they would appear to be rather spineless and are often not willing to take the heat that the nature of their profession brings. They seem well aware they are among the "elite" or the recent Thaksin assets seizure case wouldn't have required 7? hours to read the verdicts to mollify the most ignorant of viewers. They took the time because they were scared to death of doing their jobs without reprisals. That they are probably the strongest of the "democratic pillars" here isn't saying much.

I understand your point. But they seem to be a bit better than the "Political Parties," or the BiB. I guess I look for the small glimmers of light at times...

[Vaquero]

The weighted index says that the plan is not weighted in favour of the Government, the red shirt trash will be back on the streets again, if Thaskin is escorted back to Thailand, the best argument is for Mossad to complete the job, and a good job they do ,they even use fake Australian Passports, but the boys and girls of Mossad have a good score when it comes to the hit rate, 100%.

<deleted> when did Mossad become a hit man agency for hire? What the hel_l is wrong with you people?

Go outside, smile at someone, it would do you all a bunch of good.

[lannarebirth]

Of course they didn't take the bribe, it was insultingly small. I'm sorry to say I have a much lower regard for the judiciary here than you do. Not to say they are in the pocket of any particular interest, but they would appear to be rather spineless and are often not willing to take the heat that the nature of their profession brings. They seem well aware they are among the "elite" or the recent Thaksin assets seizure case wouldn't have required 7? hours to read the verdicts to mollify the most ignorant of viewers. They took the time because they were scared to death of doing their jobs without reprisals. That they are probably the strongest of the "democratic pillars" here isn't saying much.

I understand your point. But they seem to be a bit better than the "Political Parties," or the BiB. I guess I look for the small glimmers of light at times...

You're right. They're the best of a bad lot.

[bartlaz]

Interpol will make decsions based on technical legal reasons not politics. It will be a time in coming as first certain things must go through the Thai legal system and then be passed on. This isnt something that interpol will decide on today based on what newspapaers, a single Thai police officer, a government spokesperson, Amsterdam or Thaksin say and they also wont be influenced by any of that. It will depend upon the papaerwork being done correctly and the evidence and critically the financial evidence.

some people on here seem to think interpol will get him because he said they won't, a bit sad really, some people have been in thailand too long and think the thai way of doing something is the same in the civilised world They forget that in the west rule of law is observed and it is observed based on hard evidence. Interpol can not extradite anyway, they can arrest him in a country and then he is handed to that country, thailand then has to try for extradition, and considering he was ousted in an illegal coup it is highly likely that they will see this as politically motivated, especially after amsterdam gets his teeth into them (despite many on here thinking he is clueless, he is a dam_n good lawyer, just because he goes agaisnt what many on here think does not make him clueless, and lets not forget he is privy to more facts than any of us on here)

Well your statement regarding having someone in the defense like R.Amsterdam makes the rule of law in the west a farce too - doesn't it?

So, after all the famous "rule of law" in the so called "civilized" countries isn't really that much ahead of any 3rd world fiefdoms isn't it?

Just remember the O.J. Simpson case... ! ?

It states clearly that he/she however has the money to afford a "good lawyer" will be able to have fiance someone, who employs a team to find ANY possible loop hole and bend the Paragraphs of law in a way that wrong become right if not right then certainly not wrong!

taking all of this under consideration - even he manages to struggle free that still doesn't make this man innocent!

His hand are dripping with blood and he was is the ONE - no but's 'n if's!

get it?

i did, but i'm not agree with u

someone else's hand are dripping blood for the 8x dead.