Tot Blocking All Torrent Traffic

[sirchai]

This had to happen. It probably a good thing. You'll "hopefully" see performance of voip, web mail, etc.. improve. Torrents are drain especially since most peers exists outside of TOT, if you look at an average torrent drainer using a steady 1mbit the economics just dont make sense. I cant even buy full transit routes on 1000mbit commits for < 550baht/mbit (or anywhere near that). So hopefully TOT stop, separate, or traffic shape them.

Ideally I'd like to see torrent drainer pay a massive premium. Part ignorance for most windoze users as the systray hides the little U, but wow imagine how fast the internet would be in Thailand without torrent drainers.

Ends rant.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I think you are very much in the minority

You'd like to see that torrent drainer pay much more? What's wrong with you??

[bloody tiger]

I read an article recently ( but can't remember the source, so am quoting from memory) regarding torrent usage. It basically said:

- 75% of all internet traffic worldwide was P2P torrents

- Western countries accounted for up to 90% of all torrent traffic at any given time

- 95% of torrent traffic was either of a pornographic nature or violating copyright

It leads me to think, with regards to some posters saying that a blockage of P2P would speed things up, that:

- If you were visiting Thailand only sites it would speed things up

- If you were visiting international sites/services, then all their servers would be clogged up anyway with torrent users

- for people who live stream sports, they would no longer be able to

- listening to you favoutite radio station back home may no longer be possible as many use P2P technology

But the real question I want to ask is:

How on earth could they possibly block torrent downloading??????? Yeah, they can URL block websites......but there is no way for them to to actually block the torrent protocol. These are the very fundamental problems faced by all the agecies trying to prevent P2P transfer of copyrighted materail.............

Also, I had to laugh at the early poster who said "why would anyone download illegal DVD's when you can buy them for 100Baht"........guess he doesn't realise that buying pirated DVD's is also illegal

[Supernova]

I still use P2P but I ensure that my upload speed is never greater than about 5kbps. From what I have read, it is the uploads that cause most of the bandwidth problems & therefore I limit my upload capability. This means that I must be patient for things to 'equalise' (share ratio) before I rush into downloading any new torrents.

Is this a joke? LOL.

Better increase your upload limit and start giving back to the community.

[franzs]

Hi guys,

have a problem with true for the last 2 months, hat for more than 5 years a 2.5 mbps conection, worked absolutly fine,

see an offer 2 months ago, 50 baht more and I could have a 8 mbps line, fom the beginning the surf speed international was far off what I had with my

2.5 mbps, complained, one true guy said I should try the 4 mbps, nothing changed,

I wanted my old package back, not more available, now I leaving true,

my idea was TOT, now you guys tell me that TOT is blocking, that is not where I want to go,

I checked before eztv, it is also blocked by True,

would be nice to get some ideas where to go

[Llareggub]

The guy I spoke to was quite honest, he said that they were Prioritising Traffic, he then tried to give me an analogy of having a car that could do 180KPH and would I expect to drive at that speed all the time!

I gave him the 25 bottles of beer analogy and him delivering 5, he burst out laughing and agreed with me that I should use this in getting a rebate, he cracked me up!

But it seems to be true anyway, but the way things sound, they have been getting a lot of pissed off people, and hopefully life will get back to normal. I feel sorry for the poor buggers on the end of the phone having to deal with their idiot employers decisions. I must say, he brightened my night with his sense of humour, a lot of people here cannot understand a bit of irony or sarcasm, but at least he was honest and told me what was happening.

If torrent users were 'responsible' about their usage, perhaps all of these problems could be avoided?

Obviously, someone not on a race track & driving a car at 180kph, is irresponsible.

Of course, this would require 'education', which many torrent users on TV indicate that they have little education in this regard. BTW, the 'education' requires reading & lots of it.

How many posts are about, "I have a slow download speed with torrents", etc? If users bothered to do some reading, these posts would be minimal. These posts appear for 2 reasons;

1] laziness.

2] a lack of basic computer skills.

IMHO, laziness is the number 1 problem.

I have been using P2P for quite a while. I spent months reading forums etc about it. It became obvious to me that P2P traffic was a major cause of bandwidth reduction for many users.

I still use P2P but I ensure that my upload speed is never greater than about 5kbps. From what I have read, it is the uploads that cause most of the bandwidth problems & therefore I limit my upload capability. This means that I must be patient for things to 'equalise' (share ratio) before I rush into downloading any new torrents. I only wish that other users did the same instead of being greedy pigs.

Obviously an ignoramus!

[JetsetBkk]

Some people don't believe in global warming. Others don't believe that TOT is blocking private torrents. This is silly. They ARE. It is a fact.

Enlighten me

Go here to join up: http://www.thebox.bz/signup.php

Then go here and download the free torrent: http://www.thebox.bz/details.php?id=127493

Let us know if you can get it downloading.

BTW, only certain torrent clients are allowed (recommended are bolded):

Vuze versions 2.5.0.4, 4.1.0.2, 4.1.0.4, 4.2.0.0 or 4.2.0.2

uTorrent versions 1.6.1, 1.7.7, 1.8.2 and 1.8.3 and 2.0.1.0

The complete list is 8 posts down the page here: http://www.thebox.bz/announcement.php

[UncleE]

This had to happen. It probably a good thing. You'll "hopefully" see performance of voip, web mail, etc.. improve. Torrents are drain especially since most peers exists outside of TOT, if you look at an average torrent drainer using a steady 1mbit the economics just dont make sense. I cant even buy full transit routes on 1000mbit commits for < 550baht/mbit (or anywhere near that). So hopefully TOT stop, separate, or traffic shape them.

Ideally I'd like to see torrent drainer pay a massive premium. Part ignorance for most windoze users as the systray hides the little U, but wow imagine how fast the internet would be in Thailand without torrent drainers.

Ends rant.

Matt Codes is right, I run I network which serves 3 locations in hotels and restaurants with over 200 computers and network appliances on it. Anyone who knows anything about networking will know that torrent are nasty drains on bandwidth. People who pay 499/month or something stupid cheap like that should realize they're getting their share of a certain bandwidth based on the probability that x users are loading or downloading something at the same time. Folks who use automatic programs to continuously suck bandwidth, should be paying for a dedicated line not a share line.

Sorry folks there's no free ride. People who complain they can't take more than their fair share, but don't want to pay should be sent home.

Blah. No-one cares about how many location or hotels or restaurants or computers you 'run'. The companies do not sell on this 'we all have to share nicely' basis. We pay for a service, as offered and we are entitled to use it- when I signed up no-one said 'yes you can use this much unless a load of old women start moaning'. You should be sent home. Stop hating the users and start hating the lying lying corporations. Mattcodes is talking crap and so are you.

Whatever you say B-Nose, try checking the prices on dedicated lines and you'll see what it really cost to get a solid pipe 1 Mbit connection. Or go try administering a network and see how it works, if you can't speak from experience then don't brush it off. Fact is, it costs big money for solid pipe in Third World countries (that's why I said, if anyone replies like you, then they should go home). I see some of the other folks here realize that and limit their P2P bandwidth out of consideration for others.

Anyone can see the details in the link below, if you can read Thai, but anyway it's a no brainer, why would there be more than one price for the same speed?

http://www.3bb.co.th/promotion/no_number.php

Then search around for prices on dedicated lines, I already know, obviously you don't.

Kind Regards to all the folks who obviously do understand bandwidth issues and what kind of activity reduces the speed of the network to a snails pace.

Cheers

[DonGato]

Please excuse my ignorance... but, is this the reason I couldn't open the home page of my forum (birders and photographers) for a couple of days now???

...I'd been driving myself crazy, looking for an answer...

[JetsetBkk]

Suddenly, at 1:20 am, TVChaosUK is working and a torrent is coming down at over 700 kB/s.

[trogers]

Please excuse my ignorance... but, is this the reason I couldn't open the home page of my forum (birders and photographers) for a couple of days now???

...I'd been driving myself crazy, looking for an answer...

I do not think browser traffic over http is affected.

You can try flushing DNS - http://www.tech-faq.com/how-to-flush-dns.html

Also, I usually power cycle the router/modem daily. This means turning off power to the device for 10 seconds and then power it back up.

[TheBrit]

Checking some of my torrents now, and my private ones are not working.

The only tracker that is working for me - Name Status Update In Seeds Peers Downloaded

udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80/announce working 19m 40s 37 14 211

The rest are offline or no connection could be made....

TB

[TheBrit]

Please excuse my ignorance... but, is this the reason I couldn't open the home page of my forum (birders and photographers) for a couple of days now???

...I'd been driving myself crazy, looking for an answer...

I do not think browser traffic over http is affected.

You can try flushing DNS - http://www.tech-faq....-flush-dns.html

Also, I usually power cycle the router/modem daily. This means turning off power to the device for 10 seconds and then power it back up.

If you can't get to a website then go to this website - http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/

checks the website you want is up or down then you know if its your end or not

TB

[hhiser]

Hmm... Wouldn't it be fair if we paid for the resources we consume, like your electric or water meter?

Hmmm.... back to you. Have you ever examined you electric bill in Thailand? If you had you would have noticed that the rate for electricity is not fixed. The rate increases when you use more electricity. Would you like that to happen with the Internet and its derivatives?  Besides are you not tired of people trying to rip you off in Thailand?

[Likenitstill]

I know there s a bandwidth problem for Internet data outside of Thailand as the number of backbones is limited.

More, I know torrent uses an incredible amount of bandwidth for data mostly located outside of the country.

Most of the torrent users download illegal things. I regularly ask myself why some people have the need to crash the quality of service for all the other users when they are in a country where the whole DVD is at 100 Bt in the local market with perfect quality.

I pay my Internet connection like the others and I want to have my Skype strong enough to talk to people in Europe. I want also my websites to display faster on my browser, and youtube videos to be more reactive. I make normal usage of my connection and I expect it to work fine. But the quality of my connection is scrapped by torrent users who use all the bandwidth in my area, and reduce the amount of available bandwidth for data located outside of the country.

In these conditions, I don't want to be located to the same router or backbone than torrent/donkey users. This is the reason why I'm not with TT&T as you have to share your connection with your neighbors and you can't do anything anymore when they start they p2p.

I totally agree with TOT decision and I expect it to make my connection working better.

Torrent users have to pay more or to have their own network. Or to go to the shop to buy their dvd.

You may need to dig a bit deeper for the service you expect! I have been with TT&T for years with a residential plan and have no complaints with voip,instant messaging, pages in my browser loading slow. While I agree the 3k ฿ /month may be more then what I would pay back home the speeds I get is great and thats shared accross a few computers. The service that these ISP's provide for that money, well thats a different story!

[wlcart]

I have tried a long list of trackers and only one or two seem to work.

What a drag. My hour video download will finish in 2 years and 42 weeks. What will i do until then?

It seems undesirable to me for institution to decide how individual consumers use bandwidth they purchase.

If it is a matter of my paying more to increase my available bandwidth, that is a choice I can make, but this I have no control over, no matter how much bandwidth I purchase. I am downloading at 1 kB/s and I own much more bandwidth than that. If I cannot use the bandwidth I own as I desire, i feel ripped off.

Unfortunately I think bandwidth management by corporations and governments will only increase over time and the internet will become less open and free. Hope I am wrong.

[Supernova]

I see some of the other folks here realize that and limit their P2P bandwidth out of consideration for others.

Yeah, like the one user I quoted in a previous post about limiting upload bandwidth to 5kbps. How considerate... It's people like this that ruin the P2P experience for everyone else. On top of that, he/she accuses fellow torrent users of being "greedy pigs".

Well, let's put things into perspective here... I have a 2048/512 connection.

My upload limits are configured as follows:

Maximum upload rate (kB/s): 42

Alternate upload rate when not downloading (kB/s): 52

Compare these numbers to 5kbps, then ask yourself who's the real greedy one? P2P is all about sharing. All this talk of having consideration for others is just a poor excuse for not giving back to the community.

Edited August 11, 2010 by Supernova

[z9999]

Rather than ramble on about how each of us uses their Internet service, I'm curious to know if the problem is intentional or unintentional.

Has anyone checked the ping times to the trackers involved, and some other sites both inside and outside of Thailand? In my case it appears that ping times, except for locations inside Thailand have increased enormously. I loaded several torrents and see nearly all the trackers show "offline (timed out)" although I can achieve normal UL and DL speeds by acquiring peers using other methods. Surprisingly, demonoid's tracker is the only one I found working.Ping time for demonoid averages 400 ms, the others average above 500 ms. If I remember correctly averages used to be less than 100 ms.

Personally I suspect the problem is unintentional, but it's hard to get an honest answer from TOT.

[Jingthing]

Maybe TOT is testing to see how much we complain and/or close accounts.

[DonGato]

I do not think browser traffic over http is affected.

You can try flushing DNS - http://www.tech-faq....-flush-dns.html

Also, I usually power cycle the router/modem daily. This means turning off power to the device for 10 seconds and then power it back up.

If you can't get to a website then go to this website - http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/

checks the website you want is up or down then you know if its your end or not

TB

Thank you very much for your gentile replies... apparently I have a problem and will have to look hiring someone who knows of connections and others, as I seem to be the only one not connecting to my forum... go figure...

Thanks and regards,

[wontok]

Everything seems the same this morning.

If TOT are indeed blocking torrents deliberately, the objective would seem to be to free up bandwidth and improve their download speeds for users in general.

So - has anyone noticed any improvement?

Not me! Browsing is as painfully slow as ever and direct downloads on my 2Mb line are running at about 30kb/s this morning. Before this I could always count on at least 80 and often 150kb/s.

[garydubbs]

So - has anyone noticed any improvement?

nope i've been forced to do some direct downloads and the speeds have been woeful. about 20% of available bandwidth and at 6am in the morning. totally unacceptable.

Edited August 12, 2010 by garydubbs

[a269652]

If TOT are indeed blocking torrents deliberately, the objective would seem to be to free up bandwidth and improve their download speeds for users in general.

So - has anyone noticed any improvement?

Not me! Browsing is as painfully slow as ever and direct downloads on my 2Mb line are running at about 30kb/s this morning. Before this I could always count on at least 80 and often 150kb/s.

If anything my connection has been slower over the last couple of days.

[flexxx]

As I write my browsing seems ok. My upload speeds are constant "@ 25-30kB/s, but down speeds are erratic, good speeds for a few minutes gradually reducing to nothing then bang, comes back again for another couple of minutes.

[rexnong]

Another TOT user here and i only download Doctor who and a few other series , still only on series 5 of LOST .

I was going to go in this week to TOT and sign for another year and now my torrentz have stopped ,no more Doctor Who and Top Gear!!!

Well its not a case of phoning TOT for me its a case of going over the road and using True

Whats the best in terms of Connection for everyone out there i have heard 3BB is very good?

Is there a way around this block i am using Bittorrent

[NanLaew]

i will be switching my service in the morning. as will many of my friends who i've talked about this with.

what? both of them?

[NanLaew]

Suddenly, at 1:20 am, TVChaosUK is working and a torrent is coming down at over 700 kB/s.

You waste precious bandwidth torrenting crap from British telly???!!!

[NanLaew]

I see some of the other folks here realize that and limit their P2P bandwidth out of consideration for others.

Yeah, like the one user I quoted in a previous post about limiting upload bandwidth to 5kbps. How considerate... It's people like this that ruin the P2P experience for everyone else. On top of that, he/she accuses fellow torrent users of being "greedy pigs".

Well, let's put things into perspective here... I have a 2048/512 connection.

My upload limits are configured as follows:

Maximum upload rate (kB/s): 42

Alternate upload rate when not downloading (kB/s): 52

Compare these numbers to 5kbps, then ask yourself who's the real greedy one? P2P is all about sharing. All this talk of having consideration for others is just a poor excuse for not giving back to the community.

Or stealing.

[NanLaew]

So - has anyone noticed any improvement?

nope i've been forced to do some direct downloads and the speeds have been woeful. about 20% of available bandwidth and at 6am in the morning. totally unacceptable.

That's it then! Off to Cambodia it is!

[JimShortz]

TOT CM working fine downloading for me. Fine yesterday, fine today....

I'm on Ubuntu and use Deluge as my download programme.

[pipsocalyps]

almost no torrent activity in kamphaengphet as well

private trackers are blocked except from thai websites Siambit works perfectly well but then its all thai crap

just download the hel_l out of it to piss them off