Viktor Bout: No Recording Of Meeting With Thai MP Sirichoke

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No recording of meeting: Bout

By The Nation

MP asked if Thaksin tried to smuggle arms for red shirts; Sirichoke 'accused' Russian suspect of being KGB agent

The United States is pushing secure the extradition of Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout while Moscow insisted the "ballyhoo" created by Washington over him may inevitably affect RussianUS relations which the US is trying to 'reset' them.

The Thai government has been under pressure from both sides to make the decision over the destination of Bout's extradition. Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said it was the court who would make the decision weather Bout would go or stay longer in Thailand.

The Appeals Court ordered on August 20 to extradite Bout to the US as requested in connection with charges including supplying materials to international terrorist organisations. He was supposed to leave but the court cannot let him go unless a second charge pressed against him by the US on money laundering was withdrawn.

Washington has already sent the request to withdraw the second charge but the request has not yet reached the court.

Bout's lawyer Lak Nittiwattanawichan lodged a petition with Abhisit asking him to exercise his executive power to stop the extradition.

"I would see his reason and would make the decision in the line with court's ruling," Abhisit told reporters.

"If the court disagreed with the withdrawal request, he would stay longer in Thailand."

The lawyer criticised the US for "showing off its power" by assigning a government jet on standby in Bangkok to pick up his lawyer at anytime.

US State Department spokesman Philip Crowley said Washing was looking forward to seeing Bout in a courtroom in the US.

Vladimir Kozin, deputy director of the information and press department at the Russian Foreign Ministry, said in his article in The Moscow Times that the Russian authority has promised to continue to offer Bout all possible assistance with the ultimate aim of securing his release and return home.

"Taking into account Moscow's firm support of Bout, who remains innocent under U.S., Thai and Russian law, the ballyhoo created by Washington over him may inevitably effect RussianU.S. relations to the detriment of the U.S. effort to "reset" them," Kozin said.

The case is unfair, and Bout must be freed, he said in his article entitled "Ballyhoo Over Nothing" published in the paper on Thursday.

Thanee Thongphakdee, a deputy Foreign Ministry spokesman, said a request for withdrawal of US money laundering charge would be forwarded to the Court of Appeals through a joint communiqu with the Office of Attorney General by next week.

Sirisak Tiyaphan, prosecutorgeneral of the OAG's International Affairs Department, said the government needed to have solid and logical reasons not to extradite Bout to any country after the end of the threemonth deadline.

"But the government is supposed to not be heading to that direction, as the withdrawal of the money laundering charge is being processed, and there are only paperwork steps away from it," he added

-- The Nation 2010-08-28

[SomTumTiger]

What was the Dem MP idiot doing with a criminal suspect. Apparently he is just a dumb ass trying to cause trouble.

[TallForeigner]

This is a very wrong headline!

I have been at the press conference of Alla Bout (Viktor Bout's wife) at the FCCT and made a lot of notes and recordings.

Viktor Bout was clarifying that he is not aware of any tape; he was not able to record anything but he cannot exclude whether Mr. Sopha was making some recordings. I think this is a fine but very important difference.

What was the PM's aid and an MP doing visiting Viktor Bout (he is deemed innocent until otherwise duly convicted in a court of law) in prison on April 15th?

Good question - he tried to have Viktor Bout implicate that Dr. Thaksin Shinawatra was involved with the the airplane full of weapons that was coming from North Korea with final destination Sri Lanka that was seized during its stopover in Bangkok. Sirichoke wanted Viktor to confirm that Thaksin planned to stop these weapons at Bangkok and distribute them to his redshirts.

Viktor Bout explained that he was never dealing with Dr. Shinawatra and he had no idea whatsoever about such deals and he cannot speculate about such things.

Furthermore Sirichoke asked Viktor Bout for his advice on how the airplane of Dr. Shinawatra could be brought down and how they could catch Dr. Shinwatra.

Viktor said he should ask the Americans because Thaksin's plane is registered in the US...

Sirichoke was asking Viktor Bout how many KGB spies are in Thailand and what are they doing here...

...the audience was laughing more...

Viktor Bout explained that he had no idea about that, he is no member of the KGB and by the way the KGB doesn't exist since over 20 years...

Sirichoke was then asking how is Dr. Shinawatra's health, is he ill?

...the audience was laughing again...

Viktor Bout emphasized again that he had no idea since he has no personal contact with Dr. Shinawatra whatsoever.

Then Sirichoke was asking Viktor Bout why other countries are not helping Thailand to catch Dr. Shinawatra...

Does he not understand that most countries with a semblance of law and order will not extradite people over political issues? The breadth and width of this MP wanton ignorance is truly staggering.

It's quite pathetic how deep some politicians can sink in their pathological paranoia about Dr. Thaksin Shinawatra. The question is whether Sirichoke was acting on his own or whether he was acting on behalf of the PM...

After all Viktor Bout claimed that Sirichoke presented himself to him as MP and close aid to the PM of Thailand.

There was a lot of international media at the press conference.

I attach a part of the recording of the press conference of yesterday so you can hear for yourself...

Alla Bout Shinawatra.mov

Edited August 28, 2010 by TallForeigner

[asiawatcher]

Apart from the wrong heading, the article is extremely poorly written with grammatical errors too. The response by TallForeigner also enlightening. The recording is poor quality unfortunately to glean more facts. It would appear however the recent seizure of an arms plane heading for Sri Lanka (?) may ell have been actually heading for Thailand anyway. It would be more than a little interesting if this is in someway linked to Thaksin and/or Bout!

[Buchholz]

It's quite pathetic how deep some politicians can sink in their pathological paranoia about Dr. Thaksin Shinawatra.

Sirichoke no doubt is coming from the perspective that in an earlier 2004 dealing with Thaksin, he remembers a key witness who was going to testify against Thaksin in a undoubtedly career-ending trial that would have exposed Thaksin's abuse of power and the tax evasion of his Shin Satellite ended up the victim of a cold-blooded murder before he could testify.

It's not paranoia if the perceived danger is very real.

*edited to add to the notation of "Dr." on Thaksin.

Edited August 28, 2010 by Buchholz

[craigt3365]

What was the Dem MP idiot doing with a criminal suspect. Apparently he is just a dumb ass trying to cause trouble.

Or maybe there is more to this than we know? Perhaps Thaksin was tied to that airplane? If so, the current government would want to know for sure.

I guarantee there are a lot of details that never get released...we can only speculate...

[Buchholz]

In regards to the alleged tape, it was supposedly Bout's wife who made the recording, but she denies it, ergo, no tape.

[jayboy]

What was the Dem MP idiot doing with a criminal suspect. Apparently he is just a dumb ass trying to cause trouble.

Or maybe there is more to this than we know? Perhaps Thaksin was tied to that airplane? If so, the current government would want to know for sure.

I guarantee there are a lot of details that never get released...we can only speculate...

That's one possibility, albeit remote.

Another possibility is that Sirichoke and by extension the PM (they are very close) have succumbed to the stupidity, paranoia and infantilism that too often. characterises the Thai elite.Is there not a possibility that Bout has no knowledge of Thaksin's shenanigans at all. ie his statement should be taken at face value?

Oddly enough the mindset reminds me of Thaksin's stupidity many years ago when he was suckered into believing there was Japanese gold in the Kachanaburi hills.

The message for me is that the Thai political elite is mainly comprised of wanke_rs.

[TallForeigner]

@Buchholz

Alla Bout never said that she was present at the meeting - so how should she have recorded anything?? There is nothing to deny.

Viktor Bout said that he is not aware of any recording, he did not make a recording but he cannot exclude that Sirichoke made a recording.

[whybother]

@Buchholz

Alla Bout never said that she was present at the meeting - so how should she have recorded anything?? There is nothing to deny.

Viktor Bout said that he is not aware of any recording, he did not make a recording but he cannot exclude that Sirichoke made a recording.

Isn't it Jataporn who is saying there is a recording of something? How did he get it if Sirichoke is supposed have made it (given that everyone else has denied making one)?

[craigt3365]

What was the Dem MP idiot doing with a criminal suspect. Apparently he is just a dumb ass trying to cause trouble.

Or maybe there is more to this than we know? Perhaps Thaksin was tied to that airplane? If so, the current government would want to know for sure.

I guarantee there are a lot of details that never get released...we can only speculate...

The message for me is that the Thai political elite is mainly comprised of wanke_rs.

I think you say that about a lot of the politicians around the world! For sure where I come from....

[TallForeigner]

@Buchholz

Alla Bout never said that she was present at the meeting - so how should she have recorded anything?? There is nothing to deny.

Viktor Bout said that he is not aware of any recording, he did not make a recording but he cannot exclude that Sirichoke made a recording.

Isn't it Jataporn who is saying there is a recording of something? How did he get it if Sirichoke is supposed have made it (given that everyone else has denied making one)?

Here is what rumors I heard about Jatuporn's claims about these tapes:

Jatuporn claimed that there is a record of the conversation between Sirichoke and Bout. A record can also be in the form of notes written down by Viktor Bout. The claim of audio tape recordings was put into Jatuporn's mouth by media to discredit him.

I'm not getting into speculations here I just want to make sure that you get the information from different angles and not just from The Nation and similar outlets. What you make out of the info is your personal matter.

[jayboy]

What was the Dem MP idiot doing with a criminal suspect. Apparently he is just a dumb ass trying to cause trouble.

When you say "criminal suspect" could you clarify whether you are referring to Abhisit (to whom Sirichoke is a close aide) or Bout.The description fits both.

[Buchholz]

@Buchholz

Alla Bout never said that she was present at the meeting - so how should she have recorded anything?? There is nothing to deny.

Viktor Bout said that he is not aware of any recording, he did not make a recording but he cannot exclude that Sirichoke made a recording.

Isn't it Jataporn who is saying there is a recording of something? How did he get it if Sirichoke is supposed have made it (given that everyone else has denied making one)?

Exactly. Jatuporn said he had a tape and that is why Bout's wife denied it.

"In a couple of days, the tape will come out," Jatuporn said.

Edited August 28, 2010 by Buchholz

[whybother]

Here is what rumors I heard about Jatuporn's claims about these tapes:

Jatuporn claimed that there is a record of the conversation between Sirichoke and Bout. A record can also be in the form of notes written down by Viktor Bout. The claim of audio tape recordings was put into Jatuporn's mouth by media to discredit him.

I'm not getting into speculations here I just want to make sure that you get the information from different angles and not just from The Nation and similar outlets. What you make out of the info is your personal matter.

You're "not getting into speculations here" except for "The claim of audio tape recordings was put into Jatuporn's mouth by media to discredit him."

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__3841792

"In a couple of days, the tape will come out," Jatuporn said.

So what you are saying is that he didn't really say that.

Edited August 28, 2010 by whybother

[TallForeigner]

@Buchholz

Wake up, man!!

The claim that Jatupron was talking about an audio tape recording was alledgedly put into his mouth by the media.

He was talking about a record - that could also be in form of written notes by Viktor Bout. And that record is exactly what was published yesterday.

Edited August 28, 2010 by TallForeigner

[Buchholz]

@Buchholz

Wake up, man!!

The claim that Jatupron was talking about an audio tape recording was alledgedly put into his mouth by the media.

He was talking about a record - that could also be in form of written notes by Viktor Bout. And that record is exactly what was published yesterday.

I'm wide awake, thank you.

So you're saying then that Jatuporn never said, "In a couple of days, the tape will come out," which would logically imply that journalist Tulsathit Taptim lied about that quote.

In addition to attending Bout's wife's press conference, were you also present at the news conference in which Jatuporn made his statements?

Edited August 28, 2010 by Buchholz

[IAMSOBAD]

Jatuporn should be in jail with the other fellow red shirts.

He swore 3 weeks ago that he was going to release evidence that the director of the DSI was a crook!

That never happenned.

Now he claim he has a tape of conversation that he will make public.

Never trust this moron.

He is a puppet MP paid to make trouble.

[whybother]

@Buchholz

Wake up, man!!

The claim that Jatupron was talking about an audio tape recording was alledgedly put into his mouth by the media.

He was talking about a record - that could also be in form of written notes by Viktor Bout. And that record is exactly what was published yesterday.

Who is alleging that it was put into his mouth by the media? He hasn't denied it has he? Did he say "the tape will come out" or not?

[TallForeigner]

@Buchholz

Wake up, man!!

The claim that Jatupron was talking about an audio tape recording was alledgedly put into his mouth by the media.

He was talking about a record - that could also be in form of written notes by Viktor Bout. And that record is exactly what was published yesterday.

Who is alleging that it was put into his mouth by the media? He hasn't denied it has he? Did he say "the tape will come out" or not?

He said the record will come out - he was not talking about an audio tape. Don't always believe what your kind of media is fabricating!

Must be hard for you guys to realise that Jatuporn is not lying.

By the way; Jatuporn has been in Sweden a few days ago. They immediately recognized who and what he is:

Jaturporn

[chantorn]

maybe Sirichoke upload the tape in youtube for fun, and Jatupron download it. 555

[IAMSOBAD]

Hey Tall

What is your aganda?

I wonder why you attend these meetings?

I wonder why you keep saying Dr Thaksin and not wanted...convicted Thaksin?

You are way too obvious about your agenda!

[Hakuchi]

@Buchholz

Alla Bout never said that she was present at the meeting - so how should she have recorded anything?? There is nothing to deny.

Viktor Bout said that he is not aware of any recording, he did not make a recording but he cannot exclude that Sirichoke made a recording.

Isn't it Jataporn who is saying there is a recording of something?  How did he get it if Sirichoke is supposed have made it (given that everyone else has denied making one)?

Exactly. Jatuporn said he had a tape and that is why Bout's wife denied it.

"In a couple of days, the tape will come out," Jatuporn said.

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__3841792

Where is the origin of that tape rumour? maybe Jatuporn was tricked into the false belief such recording exist because he heard or read in some news media about it.

And who knows if Jatuporn really said "tape" instead of "recordings"? Would not be the first time that The Nation get something wrong. Specially Tulsathit is not new in that field.

[IAMSOBAD]

Leave Thai politics to the Thais and not to rumors and propaganda from Tall farang with an obvious need to stir the pot.

[Buchholz]

@Buchholz

Wake up, man!!

The claim that Jatupron was talking about an audio tape recording was alledgedly put into his mouth by the media.

He was talking about a record - that could also be in form of written notes by Viktor Bout. And that record is exactly what was published yesterday.

Who is alleging that it was put into his mouth by the media? He hasn't denied it has he? Did he say "the tape will come out" or not?

He said the record will come out - he was not talking about an audio tape. Don't always believe what your kind of media is fabricating!

Must be hard for you guys to realise that Jatuporn is not lying.

By the way; Jatuporn has been in Sweden a few days ago. They immediately recognized who and what he is:

Jaturporn

I freely admit it is difficult to accept that Jatuporn is not lying as he has been proven to have lied on so many other countless occasions.

In essence then, you are saying that journalist Tulsathit Taptim lied about that quote of Jatuporn and you're also saying that you attended both Jatuporn's press conference and Bout's wife's press conference by which one would logically conclude that you are a member of the media yourself. I can then understand why you might be dismissive of the competition and I do thank you for at least clarifying your perspective on this issue.

By the way, was the you link you posted and identified as "Jatuporn" supposed to signify something or did you get the website wrong as it is nothing but a nonsensical one line phrase when it is accessed?

[Hakuchi]

This is a very wrong headline!

I have been at the press conference of Alla Bout (Viktor Bout's wife) at the FCCT and made a lot of notes and recordings.

Viktor Bout was clarifying that he is not aware of any tape; he was not able to  record anything but he cannot exclude whether Mr. Sopha was making some  recordings. I think this is a fine but very important difference.

What was the PM's aid and an MP doing visiting Viktor Bout (he is deemed  innocent until otherwise duly convicted in a court of law) in prison on  April 15th?

Good question - he tried to have Viktor Bout implicate that  Dr. Thaksin Shinawatra was involved with the the airplane full of  weapons that was coming from North Korea with final destination Sri  Lanka that was seized during its stopover in Bangkok. Sirichoke  wanted Viktor to confirm that Thaksin planned to stop these weapons at  Bangkok and distribute them to his redshirts.

Viktor Bout explained that he was never dealing with Dr. Shinawatra and  he had no idea whatsoever about such deals and he cannot speculate about  such things.

Furthermore Sirichoke asked Viktor Bout for his advice on how the  airplane of Dr. Shinawatra could be brought down and how they could  catch Dr. Shinwatra.

Viktor said he should ask the Americans because Thaksin's plane is registered in the US...

Sirichoke was asking Viktor Bout how many KGB spies are in Thailand and what are they doing here...

...the audience was laughing more...

Viktor Bout explained that he had no idea about that, he is no member of  the KGB and by the way the KGB doesn't exist since over 20 years...

Sirichoke was then asking how is Dr. Shinawatra's health, is he ill?

...the audience was laughing again...

Viktor Bout emphasized again that he had no idea since he has no personal contact with Dr. Shinawatra whatsoever.

Then Sirichoke was asking Viktor Bout why other countries are not helping Thailand to catch Dr. Shinawatra...

Does he not understand that most countries with a semblance of law and order  will not extradite people over political issues? The breadth and width of this MP wanton ignorance is truly staggering.

It's quite pathetic how deep some politicians can sink in their pathological paranoia  about Dr. Thaksin Shinawatra. The question is whether Sirichoke was  acting on his own or whether he was acting on behalf of the PM...

After all Viktor Bout claimed that Sirichoke presented himself to him as MP and close aid to the PM of Thailand.

There was a lot of international media at the press conference.

I attach a part of the recording of the press conference of yesterday so you can hear for yourself...

Thank you for that report.

What the Thai government or that MP wanted from Bout is the thing we should discuss. That is the interesting part in this drama of international affairs and not some 'tape' or 'recordings' some red shirts claims to have.

[Buchholz]

By the way; Jatuporn has been in Sweden a few days ago. They immediately recognized who and what he is:

Jaturporn

ahh... I see now I was just too impatient and didn't wait for your link to load up. Once loaded, it's pure nonsense.

Thank you for wasting everyone's time that might have thought you were being serious.

[TallForeigner]

@Buchholz

The video takes some time to download; maybe a few minutes, depending on the connection you have. It only starts after it's downloaded completely. Don't take it too serious - it's a joke.

This issue already started with such a big lie...

After Jatuporn's allegations, Abhisit denied that Sirichoke was at the prison talking to Bout. Then Sirichoke came out denying the PM's claim and admitted that he visited Bout at the prison.

The story a real big issue and apart from the international implications its a major embarrassment because Viktor Bout is essentially saying that a representative of the PM and the government was asking for his advice on how to commit a terrorist act. Deliberately bringing down a private civil aircraft is a terrorist act.

Edited August 28, 2010 by TallForeigner

[Hakuchi]

In essence then, you are saying that journalist Tulsathit Taptim lied about that quote of Jatuporn and you're also saying that you attended both Jatuporn's press conference and Bout's wife's press conference by which one would logically conclude that you are a member of the media yourself. I can then understand why you might be dismissive of the competition and I do thank you for at least clarifying your perspective on this issue.

Look at the headline of this The Nation article. Then search the article if there is any recording  or MP Sirichoke ever mentioned again in the article as the the headline suggest the article would be about this issue.

When you are ready with that little reading exercise you probably know more about the quality of journalism you get with The Nation.

[TallForeigner]

Thank you for that report.

What the Thai government or that MP wanted from Bout is the thing we should discuss. That is the interesting part in this drama of international affairs and not some 'tape' or 'recordings' some red shirts claims to have.

I agree. I will not post anything again here on Khun Jatuporn and his claim of records.