Anthony Wells has details of an opinion poll about the events of 7/7 of Britsh muslums, 2% of whom (which equates to 10,000 people) agreed with the bombings. Not good news.

"directly linked" to anti-terrorist operations

Via Police-speak, that might only translate as - 'he ran through the checkpoint'

Doesn't mean he's one of the terrorist gang - but we'll see.

Close-up of what appears to be a rucksack bomb on the top deck of the No 26 bus in Hackney. The pack has a Fitness First logo on it and there is a Durcacell battery lying on the seat on the left. Debris lies on the floor.

The faces of yesterday’s bombers. CCTV images showing four men police wanted in connection with the July 21 bombing attempts. Clockwise from top left, the images were taken at Warren Street tube station, Oval, on the No 26 bus and Westbourne Grove.

"directly linked" to anti-terrorist operations

Via Police-speak, that might only translate as - 'he ran through the checkpoint'

Doesn't mean he's one of the terrorist gang - but we'll see.

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...even if you may be right - it is sufficient to note - the police are not playing "tick" or "catch as catch can" but are fighting a war against terrorism.

If some idiot runs through a checkpoint his death should be treated no less, but certainly no greater that a fool who dies running across a motorway.

Why wait till they are so close to their target before "shooting to kill?"

Why not go after them where they live and pick them out like rats in a barrel? Don't see a problem with Mossad style agencies doing business with terrorists. Make THEM afraid.

This is war, and we can't win it by waiting until the unthinkable happens...or wait, it has already happened plenty of times and we are still not doing much to stop it.

Is this the next step in devolution...

If some idiot runs through a checkpoint his death should be treated no less, but certainly no greater that a fool who dies running across a motorway.

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....your anology........What made the fool run? ...is the question that needs to be asked I guess....anyway

Something doesn’t add up for me, one of the witnesses of the shooting said the cops held him on the ground and shot him 5 times in the head. Trigger happy cop or a simple execution of a suspect?

Sure. If you want to pretend that you're safe, go ahead, search every bag, watch everyone's every move, reserve the right to invade homes, tap phones, ignore privacy, and so on.

But don't also pretend that you live in a Democracy and that you love freedom and liberty.

Perhaps you're willing to live in a police state in order to be safe.

I'm not.

Search and destroy...this is war....to the police: you are the judge, jury, and executioner...if they hesitate hit them with your baton, if they run shoot to kill....to be suspect is to be guilty....we have a civilization to protect here!!!!!

Sure. If you want to pretend that you're safe, go ahead, search every bag, watch everyone's every move, reserve the right to invade homes, tap phones, ignore privacy, and so on.

But don't also pretend that you live in a Democracy and that you love freedom and liberty.

Perhaps you're willing to live in a police state in order to be safe.

I'm not.

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I agree

Search and destroy...this is war....to the police: you are the judge, jury, and executioner...if they hesitate hit them with your baton, if they run shoot to kill....to be suspect is to be guilty....we have a civilization to protect here!!!!!

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Hopefully you are being sarcastic.......

...but if not, that is how to end a civilisation, the police can never be Judge & Jury.

Under the heading:  Instantaneous Victimization

Almost instantly after the shooting of a suspect in a London tube station, here come the hand-wringing stories British Muslims fear ‘shoot to kill’ policy.

BRITISH Muslims fear police are operating under a “shoot to kill” policy after a man was gunned down at an Underground train station following a second wave of bomb attacks. The Muslim Council of Britain called on police to explain why the Asian man, reported as a “suspected suicide bomber” by Sky News, was shot dead at Stockwell station in south London.

Police have confirmed officers pursued and shot a man, who was pronounced dead at the scene, but have offered no explanation for the shooting. The incident came a day after another apparent wave of would-be bombers hit London’s mass transport system, two weeks after four suspected Islamists blew themselves up on trains and a bus, killing 56 people.

A Muslim Council spokesman said Muslims were “jumpy and nervous”, and feared reprisal attacks. “I have just had one phone call saying: ‘What if I was carrying a rucksack?’” Inayat Bunglawala said, referring to the rucksack bombs used in the London attacks.

“It’s vital the police give a statement about what occurred (at Stockwell) and explain why the man was shot dead,” Mr Bunglawala said. “We are getting phone calls from quite a lot of Muslims who are distressed about what may be a shoot-to-kill policy.”

Perhaps the police should have obtained a squad of psychologists first to 'understand' the poor fella before popping those caps?   

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The Muslim terrorists have been running a bomb to kill campaign haven't they ?

Pretty much, but the root cause of terror seems to be the mindset that searches for root causes of evil.

If it walks & quacks like a duck...

If some idiot runs through a checkpoint his death should be treated no less, but certainly no greater that a fool who dies running across a motorway.

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....your anology........What made the fool run? ...is the question that needs to be asked I guess....anyway

Something doesn’t add up for me, one of the witnesses of the shooting said the cops held him on the ground and shot him 5 times in the head. Trigger happy cop or a simple execution of a suspect?

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I am not sure your question is relevant.

You do not run over a motorway without risking being killed - whatever your reasons.

You do not run from the police in a terrorist alert - whatever your reasons.

Terrorism and its policing is not a game, or even everyday normal life where we are able to luxuriate in freedoms of choice.

Poll: 1/4 of UK Muslims Support Bombers

Poll shows support for bombers.

"A new poll says about a quarter of British Muslims sympathize with the motives of the London bombers, if not their methods.

And the survey in London’s Daily Telegraph shows one-third of British Muslims believe Western society is immoral.

The poll asked Muslims if they felt the July the 7th suicide attacks in which 56 peopled died were justified, and six per cent said they were.

71 per cent said they weren’t justified at all, and 11 per cent said they weren’t justified on balance.

But asked whether they had sympathy with the feelings and motives of the four British Muslim bombers, 13 per cent said they had a lot of sympathy and another 11 per cent had a little.

A similar poll for The Sun newspaper showed 91 per cent of the Muslim respondents didn’t feel the suicide bombings were justified by the Islamic holy book, the Koran."

So, 25% of 1,000,000 is 250,000 in London who think the bombing is OK. Hope they have enough bullets…

Poll: 1/4 of UK Muslims Support Bombers

Poll shows support for bombers.

"A new poll says about a quarter of British Muslims sympathize with the motives of the London bombers, if not their methods.

And the survey in London’s Daily Telegraph shows one-third of British Muslims believe Western society is immoral.

The poll asked Muslims if they felt the July the 7th suicide attacks in which 56 peopled died were justified, and six per cent said they were.

71 per cent said they weren’t justified at all, and 11 per cent said they weren’t justified on balance.

But asked whether they had sympathy with the feelings and motives of the four British Muslim bombers, 13 per cent said they had a lot of sympathy and another 11 per cent had a little.

A similar poll for The Sun newspaper showed 91 per cent of the Muslim respondents didn’t feel the suicide bombings were justified by the Islamic holy book, the Koran."

So, 25% of 1,000,000 is 250,000 in London who think the bombing is OK.  Hope they have enough bullets…

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Don't need bullets. I would have thought, following the thought process expressed in this posting to its obvious conclusion, Zyklon gas would do the job.

Poll: 1/4 of UK Muslims Support Bombers

Poll shows support for bombers.

"A new poll says about a quarter of British Muslims sympathize with the motives of the London bombers, if not their methods.

And the survey in London’s Daily Telegraph shows one-third of British Muslims believe Western society is immoral.

The poll asked Muslims if they felt the July the 7th suicide attacks in which 56 peopled died were justified, and six per cent said they were.

71 per cent said they weren’t justified at all, and 11 per cent said they weren’t justified on balance.

But asked whether they had sympathy with the feelings and motives of the four British Muslim bombers, 13 per cent said they had a lot of sympathy and another 11 per cent had a little.

A similar poll for The Sun newspaper showed 91 per cent of the Muslim respondents didn’t feel the suicide bombings were justified by the Islamic holy book, the Koran."

So, 25% of 1,000,000 is 250,000 in London who think the bombing is OK.  Hope they have enough bullets…

Don't need bullets. I would have thought, following the thought process expressed in this posting to its obvious conclusion, Zyklon gas would do the job.

Right...but that Zyklon gas is so uncontrollable - might take out innocents as well.

If some idiot runs through a checkpoint his death should be treated no less, but certainly no greater that a fool who dies running across a motorway.

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....your anology........What made the fool run? ...is the question that needs to be asked I guess....anyway

Something doesn’t add up for me, one of the witnesses of the shooting said the cops held him on the ground and shot him 5 times in the head. Trigger happy cop or a simple execution of a suspect?

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I am not sure your question is relevant.

You do not run over a motorway without risking being killed - whatever your reasons.

You do not run from the police in a terrorist alert - whatever your reasons.

Terrorism and its policing is not a game, or even everyday normal life where we are able to luxuriate in freedoms of choice.

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Like the police can be trusted? You are well old enough to know what happened to innocent Irish Catholics in England during the IRA Terror campaign.

If some idiot runs through a checkpoint his death should be treated no less, but certainly no greater that a fool who dies running across a motorway.

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....your anology........What made the fool run? ...is the question that needs to be asked I guess....anyway

Something doesn’t add up for me, one of the witnesses of the shooting said the cops held him on the ground and shot him 5 times in the head. Trigger happy cop or a simple execution of a suspect?

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I am not sure your question is relevant.

You do not run over a motorway without risking being killed - whatever your reasons.

You do not run from the police in a terrorist alert - whatever your reasons.

Terrorism and its policing is not a game, or even everyday normal life where we are able to luxuriate in freedoms of choice.

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Like the police can be trusted? You are well old enough to know what happened to innocent Irish Catholics in England during the IRA Terror campaign.

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Not only old enough! My house was raided, because a student living there had associations with the IMG, in the days after the Birmingham bombings. The experience was horrific.

Nevertheless that experience coupled with the possible errors of over-zealous policing, are inconveniences we must suffer if terrorists are to be beaten.

We live in a society governed by checks and balances - checks and balances that control our policing and legal services - but also checks and balances between what we will allow to be acceptable in the civilised fighting of this war.

We who are removed from the heat of battle can theorize on limitations to be placed on the solders and policemen who stand in the front-line of these conflicts, but civilisation has already been turned on its head by the obscenities of the terrorists' actions, and therefore we must be temperate in our critisicms of those who make life and death decisions on our behalf.

Poll: 1/4 of UK Muslims Support Bombers

Poll shows support for bombers.

"A new poll says about a quarter of British Muslims sympathize with the motives of the London bombers, if not their methods.

And the survey in London’s Daily Telegraph shows one-third of British Muslims believe Western society is immoral.

The poll asked Muslims if they felt the July the 7th suicide attacks in which 56 peopled died were justified, and six per cent said they were.

71 per cent said they weren’t justified at all, and 11 per cent said they weren’t justified on balance.

But asked whether they had sympathy with the feelings and motives of the four British Muslim bombers, 13 per cent said they had a lot of sympathy and another 11 per cent had a little.

A similar poll for The Sun newspaper showed 91 per cent of the Muslim respondents didn’t feel the suicide bombings were justified by the Islamic holy book, the Koran."

So, 25% of 1,000,000 is 250,000 in London who think the bombing is OK. Hope they have enough bullets…

Ok lets just look at that Poll in a different way:-

91% of muslims felt suicide bombings were NOT justified by the Islamic holy book, the Koran.

82% of Muslims thought they were'nt justified at all

26% of muslims had some toughts of sympathy for the MOTIVES of the bombers, this does not mean that they nessesaraly had sympathy for the for the bombings just the motives

So, 25% of 1,000,000 is 250,000 in London who think the bombing is OK. Hope they have enough bullets…

This bit you just appear to have made up out of thin air.

I have no sympathy for them at all myself just think if you are going to use "Sun newspaper polls" you need to look at them objectivly

Poll: 1/4 of UK Muslims Support Bombers

Poll shows support for bombers.

"A new poll says about a quarter of British Muslims sympathize with the motives of the London bombers, if not their methods.

And the survey in London’s Daily Telegraph shows one-third of British Muslims believe Western society is immoral.

The poll asked Muslims if they felt the July the 7th suicide attacks in which 56 peopled died were justified, and six per cent said they were.

71 per cent said they weren’t justified at all, and 11 per cent said they weren’t justified on balance.

But asked whether they had sympathy with the feelings and motives of the four British Muslim bombers, 13 per cent said they had a lot of sympathy and another 11 per cent had a little.

A similar poll for The Sun newspaper showed 91 per cent of the Muslim respondents didn’t feel the suicide bombings were justified by the Islamic holy book, the Koran."

So, 25% of 1,000,000 is 250,000 in London who think the bombing is OK.  Hope they have enough bullets…

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Don't need bullets. I would have thought, following the thought process expressed in this posting to its obvious conclusion, Zyklon gas would do the job.

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Right...but that Zyklon gas is so uncontrollable - might take out innocents as well.

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And how do we decide who is innocent and who is not innocent?

91% of muslims felt suicide bombings were NOT justified by the Islamic holy book, the Koran.

The Koran was written about 1000 years ago. They didn't have bombs then.

Cauldrons of boiling oil and scimitars instead.

Another poll:

Forty-six percent of Muslims say they are first Muslim, then British as opposed to 12 percent which prioritize the British nationalty.

If some idiot runs through a checkpoint his death should be treated no less, but certainly no greater that a fool who dies running across a motorway.

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....your anology........What made the fool run? ...is the question that needs to be asked I guess....anyway

Something doesn’t add up for me, one of the witnesses of the shooting said the cops held him on the ground and shot him 5 times in the head. Trigger happy cop or a simple execution of a suspect?

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I am not sure your question is relevant.

You do not run over a motorway without risking being killed - whatever your reasons.

You do not run from the police in a terrorist alert - whatever your reasons.

Terrorism and its policing is not a game, or even everyday normal life where we are able to luxuriate in freedoms of choice.

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Like the police can be trusted? You are well old enough to know what happened to innocent Irish Catholics in England during the IRA Terror campaign.

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Not only old enough! My house was raided, because a student living there had associations with the IMG, in the days after the Birmingham bombings. The experience was horrific.

Nevertheless that experience coupled with the possible errors of over-zealous policing, are inconveniences we must suffer if terrorists are to be beaten.

We live in a society governed by checks and balances - checks and balances that control our policing and legal services - but also checks and balances between what we will allow to be acceptable in the civilised fighting of this war.

We who are removed from the heat of battle can theorize on limitations to be placed on the solders and policemen who stand in the front-line of these conflicts, but civilisation has already been turned on its head by the obscenities of the terrorists' actions, and therefore we must be temperate in our critisicms of those who make life and death decisions on our behalf.

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It’s not a war, its a few mad misguided terrorists that the Intelligence agents should be able to deal with, surely? It’s not only the police in the front line but everyone in and around London. The Police certainly need to act within accepted standards.

I for one feel very uncomfortable about a man being held down and shot 5 times in the head by British Bobbies.

Well, it’s pretty ironic that the only Muslims on the planet taking a hard and fast stand against Islamist terrorism are the people of Iraq, who are suffering more from terrorism than any other country on this planet.

Another poll:

Forty-six percent of Muslims say they are first Muslim, then British as opposed to 12 percent which prioritize the British nationalty.

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Ever seen those same polls about British Jews?

Anti-semitic aren't they?

It’s not a war, its a few mad misguided terrorists that the Intelligence agents should be able to deal with, surely? It’s not only the police in the front line but everyone in and around London. The Police certainly need to act within accepted standards.

I for one feel very uncomfortable about a man being held down and shot 5 times in the head by British Bobbies.

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What do you call a few...50,100,200,300 or more?

Perhaps all these polls can be traced back to the Project for the American Century-a ploy engineered by the CIA to divert attention from Bu$hcoChimpyMcHaliburtonWarmongerHitler & his puppetmaster?

Disgraceful these polls if true - I'd kick the bloody bastards out of the uk if we could and send them to the middle east where they would have plenty to gripe about. Ungrateful - the lot of them.

If some idiot runs through a checkpoint his death should be treated no less, but certainly no greater that a fool who dies running across a motorway.

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....your anology........What made the fool run? ...is the question that needs to be asked I guess....anyway

Something doesn’t add up for me, one of the witnesses of the shooting said the cops held him on the ground and shot him 5 times in the head. Trigger happy cop or a simple execution of a suspect?

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I am not sure your question is relevant.

You do not run over a motorway without risking being killed - whatever your reasons.

You do not run from the police in a terrorist alert - whatever your reasons.

Terrorism and its policing is not a game, or even everyday normal life where we are able to luxuriate in freedoms of choice.

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Like the police can be trusted? You are well old enough to know what happened to innocent Irish Catholics in England during the IRA Terror campaign.

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Not only old enough! My house was raided, because a student living there had associations with the IMG, in the days after the Birmingham bombings. The experience was horrific.

Nevertheless that experience coupled with the possible errors of over-zealous policing, are inconveniences we must suffer if terrorists are to be beaten.

We live in a society governed by checks and balances - checks and balances that control our policing and legal services - but also checks and balances between what we will allow to be acceptable in the civilised fighting of this war.

We who are removed from the heat of battle can theorize on limitations to be placed on the solders and policemen who stand in the front-line of these conflicts, but civilisation has already been turned on its head by the obscenities of the terrorists' actions, and therefore we must be temperate in our critisicms of those who make life and death decisions on our behalf.

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It’s not a war, its a few mad misguided terrorists that the Intelligence agents should be able to deal with, surely? It’s not only the police in the front line but everyone in and around London. The Police certainly need to act within accepted standards.

I for one feel very uncomfortable about a man being held down and shot 5 times in the head by British Bobbies.

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I do strongly disagree with you.

The deaths of thousands of innocents on 9/11 was an act of terrorism.

The indiscriminate deaths of the over 50 innocents in London was also an act of terrorism.

Terrorism by its nature is the most criminal act of war.

To treat it as less is to not only wander down a road that leads to inevitable defeat, but is also to demonstrate deep disrespect for the lives that are already sacrificed.