Honda Cbr 250R 2011

[Hili]

here are the specs

Honda CBR250R Specifications

Engine

Type Liquid-cooled 4-stroke 4-valve DOHC single

Displacement 249.4cm3

Bore x Stroke 76 x 55mm

Compression Ratio 10.7: 1

Max. Power Output 19.42kW/8,500min-1 (95/1/EC)

Max. Torque 22.9Nm/7,000min-1 (95/1/EC)

Fuel System

Carburation PGM-FI electronic fuel injection

Throttle Bore 38mm

Fuel Tank Capacity 13litres (including LCD-indicated reserve)

Fuel Consumption 27km/l (76.2 mpg – WMTC mode*)

Electrical System

Ignition System Computer-controlled digital transistorised with electronic advance

Starter Electric

Battery Capacity 12V/6AH

Drivetrain

Clutch Wet, multi-plate with coil springs

Clutch Operation Mechanical; cable-actuated

Transmission Type 6-speed

Final Drive O-ring sealed chain

Frame

Type Diamond; steel twin-spar

Chassis

Dimensions (LxWxH) 2,030 x 709.5 x 1,127mm

Wheelbase 1,369mm

Caster Angle 25°

Trail 95mm

Seat Height 784mm

Ground Clearance 148mm

Kerb Weight 162kg

Suspension

Type Front 37mm telescopic fork, 130mm stroke

Rear Pro-Link Monoshock damper, 104mm axle travel

Wheels

Rim Size Front 17M/C x MT2.75

Rear 17M/C x MT4

Tyre Size Front 110/70-17M/C ()

Rear 140/70-17M/C ()

Brakes

Type Front 296 x 4.5mm hydraulic disc with dual-piston caliper and sintered metal pads

Rear 220 x 5mm hydraulic disc with single-piston caliper and sintered metal pads

[nikster]

Wow - C-ABS is cool!! I wonder though, on Honda's tech website they boast how C-ABS is way lighter than conventional ABS systems. They have graphics to "prove" it too - yet it still adds 4kg to the weight. 161 kg (STD)/165 kg (ABS).

Motorcyclenews UK claims it's 26 bhp which would be a little disappointing if true...

I think it looks great though need to see in person to really decide. The Ninja 250 is probably a little nicer. Kawasaki is pulling out all the stops to make the smallest Ninja look great and I think it's not by accident as it's their best selling bike. Honda clearly wants a piece of the pie. The little Ninja is a big seller in the USA, and the top selling bike in Australia (2009). If 250s seem to get a lot of attention - that's why!

[JonnyF]

Wow, not only does it look pants but if this is correct...

Max. Power Output 19.42kW/8,500min-1 (95/1/EC)

Fuel Tank Capacity 13litres (including LCD-indicated reserve)

So it's a single that's significantly less powerful than the twin of the Ninja and carries 4 litres less fuel, with unknown local dealer support.

I was really considering swapping the Ninja for this? Must be mad. Let's hope it's cheap eh?

[BigBikeBKK]

Hey, pardon my ignorance but is the 19.42kW in "Max. Power Output 19.42kW/8,500min" the same as Hp?

Cuz if this little Honda thumper in sport bike clothes only cranks out ~20Hp then it's in the same class as, but more expansive than, the Tiger Boxer 250RS and nowhere near the 33Hp of the Kawasaki Ninja 250R.

I don't want to jump to conclusions since I'm not sure if kW = Hp...

Can somebody clue me in?

Cheers!

Tony

[BigBikeBKK]

When you consider that the ORIGINAL Honda CBR 250RR had a 4-stroke inline 4 cranking out 45hp at 18500 rpm, this new reincarnation comes up a bit short, no?

[JUDAS]

Bad news BBBKK. 19KW = 26hp

[thaicbr]

26-29hp is what the ninjette actually pushes out according to numerous dyno's i have seen 33hp never seen that one.

[BigBikeBKK]

Bad news BBBKK. 19KW = 26hp

Thanks for correcting my error and setting me straight regarding Kw / Hp.

I'd consider that good news actually. (That the CBR cranks out 26Hp and not 19 that is)

Just because 5 of the last 7 bikes I've bought have been Kwackerzakis doesn't mean I'm a Kwacker whore

Team Green has just been the best value in town since I moved here.

If Honda can give them some competition I consider that a GOOD thing!

I'm just not convinced this new CBR250 is the thing to knock the Ninja 250R off it's throne.

Ride On!

Tony

[nikster]

26-29hp is what the ninjette actually pushes out according to numerous dyno's i have seen 33hp never seen that one.

That's a good point, and I was thinking about that too. The claimed BHP values are almost always some ways off real world dyno results.These charts show 26.8 hp for the Ninja 250R

[JonnyF]

Good points, but if Honda are claiming 26 (at the crank?) then I wonder what the real world figure will be on the dyno at the rear wheel.

[Hili]

I think if honda is pushing the price on the cbr250r it will be a tough competitor for the ninja. Rumors on Thai broads is 100k to 120k if its true its a good deal....

[Just1Voice]

Price will definitely be one of the determining factors for me.

But I do LOVE that black & gray model. Oh, so does my wife.

[Hili]

called my local Honda dealer in BKK said they will get a show bike in November selling bikes end of this year. Prices they "confirmed" as follows

CBR250R Fi 100,000 BHT

CBR250R Fi Combined ABS 115,000 BHT

[canuckamuck]

Well it was fun to have all that mystery. I think Honda was smart to come out in a lower price range, and to add the ABS.

For me the ABS is a bigger deal than having a twin. My guess is that race mods will come available, so it should be a moderately fun bike, with a small bike advantage. It might not be a Ninja killer, but beating a Ninja 250 won't really improve your bragging rights back home.

[Just1Voice]

called my local Honda dealer in BKK said they will get a show bike in November selling bikes end of this year. Prices they "confirmed" as follows

CBR250R Fi 100,000 BHT

CBR250R Fi Combined ABS 115,000 BHT

Hummm, checking my bank account + wifey's income....Yep, by George we can do that!!!!

[visions]

Be great if those prices are correct for sure!

Ive just been to the dealer here and again they confirmed only one model (ie ABS is standard not an option) and price of 150, 000

Frankly I dont believe they actually know the facts. I certainly hope they are wrong on the price anyway!!

As far as performance goes, it is lighter by about 30kg from the Ninja and similar HP (the Kawa brochure figure doesnt reflect the dyno tests)

The single will have more low down torque (grunt) and combined with the lighter weight will be quicker off the mark, maybe at top end the Kawa may come out on top. But how many use the top 10kph regulary?? Not in Thailand roads anyway, if they have any sense.

[Hili]

Sure about the prices they told me i wont believe it until its official but at least we have a figure. TIT...

[Just1Voice]

When I see 250 IN showroom, WITH price sticker, THEN I'll believe. Until then.....

[nikster]

As far as performance goes, it is lighter by about 30kg from the Ninja a...

No, it's 161 / 165 kg versus 170kg for the Ninja. So either 9 or 4 kg difference. 9kg is quite a lot, actually, I wonder where that's coming from?!

As for dyno tests, nobody knows until the CBR250R has been on the dyno as well. Who knows if Honda exaggerate their bhp numbers or not.

No way I believe 100k price, or, put it another way, I don't think they can lose 50k on the Ninja without producing a lesser bike as well.

[Richard-BKK]

[visions]

As far as performance goes, it is lighter by about 30kg from the Ninja a...

No, it's 161 / 165 kg versus 170kg for the Ninja. So either 9 or 4 kg difference. 9kg is quite a lot, actually, I wonder where that's coming from?!

As for dyno tests, nobody knows until the CBR250R has been on the dyno as well. Who knows if Honda exaggerate their bhp numbers or not.

No way I believe 100k price, or, put it another way, I don't think they can lose 50k on the Ninja without producing a lesser bike as well.

Yes I agree with your viewpoint on pricing and does line up with what my dealer tells me.

However if you start with the 150.......that is quoted at 76,000. So what adds another 74000?? If it is the same bike as it certainly seems to be, the only differences are....

One size bigger rear tyre, the rims wil be the same Im sure? cost increase....less than 1K

100cc of engine. The FI will be the same units for both bikes, although just maybe the exhaust will be up a size?? at what cost??

Pure conjecture on my part, but I think you will find the lower engine casting is same for both bikes. Even the gearbox probably is the same with differeing gearing only?

A bigger bore barrel and longer throw crank makes the difference in capacity. In a mass production line, how much does that cost? Cams etc same for both engines All electronics/electrics will be the same for both.

The cost difference between manufacturing the 2 bikes would be I think certainly less than 10,000. So at 100,000 Honda would still have a higher profit margin percentage wise than the 150.

If Honda do market at the 100k level they will fly off the showroom floor, Who would go for a 150 when 24K ups to the 250?? Oh so much conjecture.

As far as power goes, If the 150 is "stated" at 19.2 HP Thats .128hp per cc multiply by 250 = 32HP so the 250 seems low on HP for its capacity???? Ok Im not a mechanic and not a mathamitician either so maybe way off the beam with that calc?? But maybe it helps to make my point??

All comes down to wait and see in reality, including pricing and performance comparisons. Im sure one of the Mags will be running the "obvious what everyone will be asking", comparison CBR/Ninja test ASAP

[JonnyF]

In terms of specification this bike seems to sit somewhere between the Tiger Boxer 250RS and the Ninja 250R, except for the ABS which no-one seemed fussed about on the er6n so I'm not sure of the urgent need on a 26hp 250.

Single cylinder like the Tiger, fully faired like the Ninja. Price wise it should sit between the two around 110k baht in my opinion, at that price it's a decent option.

Priced at 140-150 it's gonna have a hard time. Kawasaki have made a real effort in Thailand with the race days, the professional dealerships, cheap available spares etc. To pay the same price for a Honda 250 single and then have it serviced at the local corner "Honda" shop by guys who work on Waves, Clicks etc - not sure I'd like that option.

And a 13 litre tank?? Surely this bike is aimed at light touring and commuters so why fit such a tiny tank? The Ninja takes 17 litres. Anyway, some guys seem to like it so let's hope it's released at a good price.

[visions]

In terms of specification this bike seems to sit somewhere between the Tiger Boxer 250RS and the Ninja 250R, except for the ABS which no-one seemed fussed about on the er6n so I'm not sure of the urgent need on a 26hp 250.

Single cylinder like the Tiger, fully faired like the Ninja. Price wise it should sit between the two around 110k baht in my opinion, at that price it's a decent option.

Priced at 140-150 it's gonna have a hard time. Kawasaki have made a real effort in Thailand with the race days, the professional dealerships, cheap available spares etc. To pay the same price for a Honda 250 single and then have it serviced at the local corner "Honda" shop by guys who work on Waves, Clicks etc - not sure I'd like that option.

And a 13 litre tank?? Surely this bike is aimed at light touring and commuters so why fit such a tiny tank? The Ninja takes 17 litres. Anyway, some guys seem to like it so let's hope it's released at a good price.

The new Honda C-ABS is a much more advanced set up than what is fitted to the ER6N, working on front and rear at a level not even an experienced rider can duplicate.

Not sure how you can compare the new CBR with a Tiger Boxer, It has a more advanced technoligy suspension than the Ninja, Proven superior Frame, An engine that is latest design, suited for todays motoring conditions, More modern than the Ninja in fact. Not a 30 year old air cooled low HP effort.

Tank size....Maybe because it burns that much less per KM so doesnt need a big bulky tank?

Honda globaly have a substantialy larger market share than any other manufacturer. You can be sure the new CBR 250 will be positioned to enhance that, not detract from it.

As I mentioned on a previous post, untill we see a head to full head test, any speculation on comparision, other than obvious facts as we can be sure of currently, is mere conjecture.

[BigBikeBKK]

The new Honda C-ABS is a much more advanced set up than what is fitted to the ER6N, working on front and rear at a level not even an experienced rider can duplicate.

Not sure how you can compare the new CBR with a Tiger Boxer, It has a more advanced technoligy suspension than the Ninja, Proven superior Frame, An engine that is latest design, suited for todays motoring conditions, More modern than the Ninja in fact. Not a 30 year old air cooled low HP effort.

Tank size....Maybe because it burns that much less per KM so doesnt need a big bulky tank?

Honda globaly have a substantialy larger market share than any other manufacturer. You can be sure the new CBR 250 will be positioned to enhance that, not detract from it.

As I mentioned on a previous post, untill we see a head to full head test, any speculation on comparision, other than obvious facts as we can be sure of currently, is mere conjecture.

While it's true that Honda's C-ABS is more advanced than the more "old school" ABS on the Kwackers, that doesn't necessarily translate into "better" as far as actual braking performance. I haven't seen any tests that show C-ABS will stop faster than standard ABS. C-ABS is simply smoother in its application and feedback to the rider. I would love to see some tests pitting Honda's C-ABS against "standard" ABS to see how the two compare.

Just curious, but how is the CBR 250 suspension "more advanced technology" than the Ninja 250R? (Or even the Tiger Boxer 250RS for that matter which boasts surprisingly high end suspension for a "budget" bike.)

"Proven superior frame"? Proven by whom? Isn't the CBR250 a new frame? While I'm sure it will be of typical outstanding Honda quality I don't think it's been tested or proven yet...

Engine more modern than the Ninja 250R? My take on it is that they put in a single to cut costs at the expense of performance. Had Honda put in a twin, like the VTR 250 engine, for example, then this CBR 250 could give the Ninja 250R a run for its money. Instead Honda went with a single to cut costs... Too bad. What do you imagine the rear wheel Hp and redline will be on this single? If I remember correctly my old Ninja 250R redlined around 13500 RPM!

From what I've read so far fuel efficiency of the new CBR250 and the Nina 250R are about the same. This means the Ninjette will have a much longer range than the CBR thanks to the larger tank. Personally I prefer a larger tank and more range. That's one of the reasons I'm trading my Ninja 650R for a Versys.

We'll have to wait until this new CBR 250 goes on sale and gets thouroughly tested before we jump to any conclusions, but from what we know of it so far, I'd say it will fall right between the Tiger Boxer 250RS and the Kawasaki Ninja 250R in terms of price and performance.

Ride On!

Tony

[BigBikeBKK]

Of course, the subject of ABS on motorcycles still stirs up quite a bit of debate and there are some folks who still think ABS on a motorcycle is overkill or unnecessary. I don't want to get into that debate on this thread- but is anyone does, perhaps we should start another thread.

But I DO want to explore Honda's C-ABS a bit further as I've never ridden a bike with this type of ABS. I've ridden some older Hondas, like the VFR 800 and the CBR1100XX Blackbird that have Honda's Linked Braking System, which I guess you could say is a pre-cursor to C-ABS and I was quite impressed with the brakes on those bikes. The biggest strength of linked braking IMO is that regardless of which brake pedal you use- front brake lever or rear brake pedal, some of the braking force is transferred from front to rear or rear to front, which keeps the chassis more stable under heavy braking.

Of course, best braking technique means you use front brakes and rear brakes at the same time, at which point if you know what you're doing, the "linked" brakes become somewhat irrelevant...

That's where ABS comes in. It's easy to lock up the rear wheel, even more so when you're already hard on the front brake which loads the front and lightens the rear. And of course, locking the front wheel is a sure recipe for disaster. ABS prevents both.

So, how is Honda's C-ABS better than "standard" ABS? Honestly, I'm still not sure... In the reviews I've read the C-ABS receives a lot of praise for its "smoothness" and the fact that it doesn't give the rider the "chatter" feedback or more "traditional" ABS systems. Ok, great, but does C-ABS actually stop a bike faster than "regular" ABS? That's what I really want to know and I still haven't found the answer...

Here's a review of the Honda CBR600RR C-ABS that goes into a lot of detail on how C-ABS was developed and how it works. Very interesting read IMO:

http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/2009-honda-cbr600rr-cabs-review-87864.html

Ride On!

Tony

[skybluestu]

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2010/October/oct2710-honda-cbr250/

[golfho]

www.motorcycledaily.com Very good picture of American version and some bike details

[visions]

Saw this post on another board....Seems to be a good point why the engine is rated at 26HP (true or not)

Aside from the Asian market, many here have missed the fact that Europe has a graduated licensing system. After the 11 HP 125 cc bikes, they can ride a 26 HP 250cc bike for another 2 years before being allowed to get whatever they want.

Another post pointed out that the bore and stroke is same as the 1L engine plus the valves are the same size.

Be interesting to see how quickly mods are available...bore up kits etc?? Maybe one of the new Moto3 engines detuned a bit???

For guys upsizing from a 150, the bike will be good....... for a while. downsizing the bike probably wont have enuf to satisfy.

[thaicbr]

Saw this post on another board....Seems to be a good point why the engine is rated at 26HP   (true or not)

Aside from the Asian market, many here have missed the fact that Europe has a graduated licensing system. After the 11 HP 125 cc bikes, they can ride a 26 HP 250cc bike for another 2 years before being allowed to get whatever they want.

Another post pointed out that the bore and stroke is same as the 1L engine plus the valves are the same size.

Be interesting to see how quickly mods are available...bore up kits etc??  Maybe one of the new Moto3 engines detuned a bit???

For guys upsizing from a 150,  the bike will be good....... for a while.      downsizing the bike probably wont have enuf to satisfy.

umm i thought it was 33hp limit hence the 33hp that people think the ninja has.

[BigBikeBKK]

Saw this post on another board....Seems to be a good point why the engine is rated at 26HP (true or not)

Aside from the Asian market, many here have missed the fact that Europe has a graduated licensing system. After the 11 HP 125 cc bikes, they can ride a 26 HP 250cc bike for another 2 years before being allowed to get whatever they want.

Another post pointed out that the bore and stroke is same as the 1L engine plus the valves are the same size.

Be interesting to see how quickly mods are available...bore up kits etc?? Maybe one of the new Moto3 engines detuned a bit???

For guys upsizing from a 150, the bike will be good....... for a while. downsizing the bike probably wont have enuf to satisfy.

umm i thought it was 33hp limit hence the 33hp that people think the ninja has.

Yep, what Allan said.