PM Abhisit Denies Coup Allegation Against PAD

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PM Denies Coup Allegation against People's Alliance

The prime minister denies accusing the People's Alliance for Democracy of trying to provoke a military coup by staging a rally against the charter rewrite.

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said he has never alleged that the People's Alliance for Democracy is trying to provoke a coup by planning a rally against the planned charter amendment.

The premier explained that he, in fact, said that certain individuals have joined the PAD movement in hope of paving the way for a military intervention.

Abhisit reiterated the government would not attempt to covertly include the controversial amnesty bill in the joint parliamentary meeting agenda for the end of November.

The PAD earlier expressed its concern that the government would attempt to secretly deliberate and endorse the bill without the knowledge of the public.

The premier insisted the push for charter rewrite is not intended to appease government coalition partners.

He added the government is confident its proposed changes to the charter on election constituencies will not cause a problem.

He also insisted an early House dissolution is still possible if it is necessary to resolve the current crisis as political discord among conflicting parties persists.

He also urged both the red-shirt group and the PAD to ensure that their demonstrations will be peaceful and warned that any chaos stemming from their unruly activities could dampen confidence in the country.

Meanwhile, PAD spokesperson Parnthep Puapongpan said the group will hold a press conference tomorrow on its planned rally against the charter rewrite.

Parnthep insisted the government must hold a public referendum before moving ahead with the amendments and the premier should base his decision on public interests rather than the demands of government coalition partners.

He also urged the premier not to construe the PAD's anti-charter rewrite campaign as a ploy to pave the way for a military coup.

-- Tan Network 2010-11-18

[animatic]

Wait... where are all those insisting the Abhisit is a lapdog of PAD or in PAD and they control him.... Seems they are not nearly in the same library, let alone on the same page, as some have regularly alleged. But hey ho, they have to have something to winge on about.

Edited November 18, 2010 by animatic

[mca]

There's no way Abhisit has ever been connected to PAD and their opinions and demands in any way.

He just leaves that to his FM.

[whybother]

Does someone go around asking stupid questions to politicians and army personal just so there can be a "(insert name) denies (insert ridiculous speculation)" news headline?

[Buchholz]

Does someone go around asking stupid questions to politicians and army personal just so there can be a "(insert name) denies (insert ridiculous speculation)" news headline?

If there was someone doing that, that person would deny it.

And yes, there certainly does seem to be someone doing it as there's a pallet load of threads meeting the above description.

[LaoPo]

From the OP's article:

"Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said he has never alleged that the People's Alliance for Democracy is trying to provoke a coup by planning a rally against the planned charter amendment."

Can somebody explain to me WHAT the planned charter amendment is all about ? What does it amend to the Charter ?

LaoPo

[Buchholz]

Charter amendments to limit on two issues: PM

[LaoPo]

Charter amendments to limit on two issues: PM

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__3996940

Thanks for that, although many questions remain and sorry to see that Abhisit's government hasn't enough power..or balls... (yet) to have the re-written constitution (by the coup players) undone...

But, if Turkey can do it after so many years and make the former Generals pay for their bitter acts, Thailand can also.....in time...hopefully....in time and not just focus all the attention to just one man.

LaoPo

[Buchholz]

The constitution cannot be "undone" no matter what the scrotum size is.

It can only be amended by specific article revision.

The debate is which articles and what changes are to be made to them.

[animatic]

So basically your choices are:

Thailand throws out yet another constitution, and write a new one from scratch.

Versus

Amending an existing one to iron out trouble spots.

Clearly the '97 one was a defective document on several levels. It should have been amended, in some ways the following one was just that, C '97 amended, but yet again imperfect. But that is drawn from the same throw it out, start again, mindset that is still in place, and that you advocate.

The problem was the intrinsic problems of C '97 caused a simple ammendment to become impossible. It had all gone too far. So the generals stopped the clock, put another committe together, and fast tracked a new charter to the people. Imperfect, but a return to the people of a charter, AND the ability to upgrade it later, as they are doing now.

The former concept of throw it out start new, is just as idiotic as it has always been.

Modifying an existing one, regardless of who promulgated it originally, is a more thoughtful and less dangerous path, since each time a 'from ground up new' one appears there are problems, and rather than amend it, it's problems build till a crisis, a blow up, and a new charter is written. What a waste of energy, time and angst. The Thai people have ok'd this one, so smooth out the problems and move on.

That is IF the politicians are capable of actually doing so.

If not then we are eventually destined to repeat history.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Yet, no matter how bitter the memories of some are, they are only memories and Thailand must look at future realities and not continue naval gazing at the past endlessly as a reason to hamstring the future.

Edited November 18, 2010 by animatic

[LaoPo]

The constitution cannot be "undone" no matter what the scrotum size is.

It can only be amended by specific article revision.

The debate is which articles and what changes are to be made to them.

Oh for Heaven's sake...you are searching for sandgrains in the Pacific Ocean but you know exactly what I mean.

I am talking about the last Constitution, re-written by the Generals, with the perfect clauses within that Constitution -for them- , that they can't be prosecuted for their acts during the ILLEGAL Coup Détat on September 19th, 2006.

The same kind of thing happened in Turkey and that Constitution was amanded as well, enabling the present and future Governments to prosecute High Military for their acts..cdriminal acts, in the past.

LaoPo

Edited November 18, 2010 by cdnvic
Removed one line - Just drop it LP

[jayjay0]

The constitution cannot be "undone" no matter what the scrotum size is.

It can only be amended by specific article revision.

The debate is which articles and what changes are to be made to them.

Oh for Heaven's sake...you are searching for sandgrains in the Pacific Ocean but you know exactly what I mean.

I am talking about the last Constitution, re-written by the Generals, with the perfect clauses within that Constitution -for them- , that they can't be prosecuted for their acts during the ILLEGAL Coup Détat on September 19th, 2006.

The same kind of thing happened in Turkey and that Constitution was amanded as well, enabling the present and future Governments to prosecute High Military for their acts..cdriminal acts, in the past.

LaoPo

Well I sure am not going to say the last coup was legal or illegal.

But I will say where do you think Thailand would be today if they hadn't done it?

Have a look at the man they threw out. Not a pretty picture. Comparable with Burma. The Generals should be given medals.

[cdnvic]

Flame and flamer removed.

What I don't get is why people continue to quote obvious flames. We don't have time to surgically remove the quote from every post so why quote it and get your post deleted too?