August 13, 200520 yr I has been reported that Abu Qatada, Al-Qaeda'a most senior cleric in Europe, is to be deported to Jordan. Abu Qatada has already been sentenced for life (in Jordan) in his absense. It comes shortly after an agreement was made with Jordan, that Abu Qatada's human rights will be respected and he will not face the death penalty. This had to be agreed as the UK government by law cannot deport someone where human rights are not observed. Abu Qatada arrived in Britain in 1993 on a forged UAE passport claiming asylem as he was fleeing religeous persecution.... and of course the government welcomed him with open arms. Human rights campaigners have immediately condemned the move saying that there would be no way to check whether Abu Qatada's human rights are being respected, He will most certainly be tortured and possibly face death. Now... I feel ashamed for saying it, but I don't care... send him back to face the music... no matter what the consequence... SOM NUM NAA.. The saying "don't bite the hand that feeds" comes to mind.. The Times totster
August 13, 200520 yr Author Did he support the attacks, or like many didn't say anything? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He is known as one of the "Preachers of Hate" !! totster
August 13, 200520 yr Did he support the attacks, or like many didn't say anything? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He is known as one of the "Preachers of Hate" !! totster <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So , why did they send him back? They could've violated his human rights right there. Or maybe just put a bullet in the back of his head, then send him back.
August 13, 200520 yr Author Did he support the attacks, or like many didn't say anything? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He is known as one of the "Preachers of Hate" !! totster <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So , why did they send him back? They could've violated his human rights right there. Or maybe just put a bullet in the back of his head, then send him back. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Read the bloody link..!! totster
August 13, 200520 yr Did he support the attacks, or like many didn't say anything? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He is known as one of the "Preachers of Hate" !! totster <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So , why did they send him back? They could've violated his human rights right there. Or maybe just put a bullet in the back of his head, then send him back. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Read the bloody link..!! totster <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, I know. Just wishful think on my part.
August 13, 200520 yr Now... I feel ashamed for saying it, but I don't care... send him back to face the music... no matter what the consequence... SOM NUM NAA..The saying "don't bite the hand that feeds" comes to mind.. totster <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Tots, you have a record of going to lengths to support the rule of law from what i've read and that's a good thing imho. any less and we become them. You have no shame in saying what most are feeling, he broke the law and ultimately will now suffer the consequences. The law was upheld, what happens now is 'up to Allah' apparently. Me? I believe in the rule of law as well but now that it's been served, I'd give him a pigskin jacket to wear as a going away gift
August 13, 200520 yr Now... I feel ashamed for saying it, but I don't care... send him back to face the music... no matter what the consequence... SOM NUM NAA..The saying "don't bite the hand that feeds" comes to mind.. totster <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Tots, you have a record of going to lengths to support the rule of law from what i've read and that's a good thing imho. any less and we become them. You have no shame in saying what most are feeling, he broke the law and ultimately will now suffer the consequences. The law was upheld, what happens now is 'up to Allah' apparently. Me? I believe in the rule of law as well but now that it's been served, I'd give him a pigskin jacket to wear as a going away gift <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Pigskin shoes would be nice.
August 13, 200520 yr Did he support the attacks, or like many didn't say anything? ANY who do not say anything are as guilty as the ones that do it. Time to get the muslims themselves to do something or as far as I'm concerned they should all go.
August 13, 200520 yr Did he support the attacks, or like many didn't say anything? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ANY who do not say anything are as guilty as the ones that do it. Time to get the muslims themselves to do something or as far as I'm concerned they should all go. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You are such a charitable and understanding guy! Are you related to Santa Claus?
August 13, 200520 yr If this is the same guy as 'Dr. Hook' who they have been trying to deport for years after soaking up millions on the Dole - 'bout time his sorry ass was kicked out. For preaching 'Jihad' and hate as he's done, I'd welcome the opportunity to kick him in his coconuts!
August 13, 200520 yr If this is the same guy as 'Dr. Hook' who they have been trying to deport for years after soaking up millions on the Dole - 'bout time his sorry ass was kicked out.For preaching 'Jihad' and hate as he's done, I'd welcome the opportunity to kick him in his coconuts! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No "Hooky"is still banged up but deporting him is a bit difficult since he is a British Citizen (also Egyptian)
August 14, 200520 yr chownah, Yea, he's my brother, are you related to bin laden? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No. Are you related to the tooth fairy?
August 14, 200520 yr Just figured you must be related as all you ever seem to spout is support for the buggers. Why don't you and all the rest of these terrorist loving guys just go to where ever you would be liked more, it certainly isn't England, the US or any other country that has been bombed by these fvckwits or the muslim pople that know who they are but keep a blind eye but say "it's not all of us" and still have the gall to say you asked for it. Don't go away mad, just go away.
August 14, 200520 yr A failure of political will (Filed: 14/08/2005) The case of Omar Bakri is a damning case-study of the apparent inability of Britain's politicians to deal with the danger posed by Islamic terrorism. Bakri arrived here in 1985 claiming asylum. He has lived on benefits ever since, fathering seven children, preaching hatred of Britain, and reportedly applauding terrorism and mass murder. Charles Clarke, the Home Secretary, now says that his presence is "not conducive to the public good" - a statement of the obvious, if ever there was one - but it is still not clear that the Home Secretary can stop Bakri returning here from his "holiday" in Lebanon. Human rights lawyers insist that Bakri has the entitlement, under the Human Rights Act, both to continued asylum in the UK, and to "reunion" with his family here. The case has descended into farce. But the issues at stake are deadly serious. That the Government may be forced to take back a man known to foment hatred and violence is a depressing testament to the extent to which it is unable to discharge its most fundamental duty - which is not to enforce the European Convention on Human Rights, but to protect British citizens from threats to their lives and liberty. The Government insists that the judges are responsible for that situation. But while some senior judges have indeed interpreted legislation perversely, the Government itself has consistently failed to enforce the laws which already give it the power to deal effectively with men such as Bakri. The fundamental problem is actually one of political will, rather than law. Abu Qatada, who has an even worse record than Bakri, is now known to be among the 10 foreign nationals Mr Clarke proposes to deport. But the fact that he has been here for so long is hugely embarrasing evidence of the extent to which ministers have dragged their heels. For years, the Jordanian government has been patiently requesting the extradition of Abu Qatada. Although the evidence that he was involved in terrorism was well-known, the Government's response was a contemptuous dismissal of all those requests. Vicious and callous apologists for terrorism such as Abu Qatada have in practice been granted protected status in Britain - to the consternation not only of Middle Eastern states such as Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, but also of our European allies, such as France and Germany. Contrary to the legal myth nurtured by ministers, there is no insuperable barrier to deportation formed by human rights legislation. France, Italy and Spain are all signatories to the Human Rights Convention, with judges as eager to demonstrate their independence from the elected government as ours. Yet they have all sent men they believed to be terrorists back to countries such as Algeria, Egypt, Jordan and Morocco. They have not been intimidated by fear of the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg. There is no reason why we should not be similarly robust. In this case, at least, there is much we can learn from our EU partners. ฉ Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 2005. for some reason the uk has always taken a very soft line with these characters. i dont know why , whether deporting them will reduce any of the terrorist risks to the uk is debatable , as lyndon johnstone said , i'd rather have my enemies inside my tent pissing out , than outside the tent pissing in. but the fact that they are invariable spongers on huge amounts of benefit , yet have access to enormous amounts of money from outside the uk , and that they take advantage of a society that they continually decry certainly pisses a lot of people off. their presence in the uk does nothing for good race relations either , i was in the uk in july , in london and leeds , and people were literally crossing the road to avoid headscarves and beards with rucksacks. i'm inclined to agree with the poster who said that the muslims in the uk should not outstay their welcome if they cannot show some positive peaceful allegiance to the country , and be prepared to denounce to the authorities those muslims that they suspect may support or seek to commit violent acts against uk society.
August 14, 200520 yr Just figured you must be related as all you ever seem to spout is support for the buggers. Why don't you and all the rest of these terrorist loving guys just go to where ever you would be liked more, it certainly isn't England, the US or any other country that has been bombed by these fvckwits or the muslim pople that know who they are but keep a blind eye but say "it's not all of us" and still have the gall to say you asked for it. Don't go away mad, just go away. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are you related to Oscar the Grouch (a muppet puppet for the uninitiated)?
August 14, 200520 yr Just figured you must be related as all you ever seem to spout is support for the buggers. Why don't you and all the rest of these terrorist loving guys just go to where ever you would be liked more, it certainly isn't England, the US or any other country that has been bombed by these fvckwits or the muslim pople that know who they are but keep a blind eye but say "it's not all of us" and still have the gall to say you asked for it. Don't go away mad, just go away. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I always find it strange that people start on about "the muslims" being guilty for not standing up and saying anything. During the IRA's boming campain (they killed far more people than the current bombs) I never heared anyone condeming all Roman Catholics. Its also strange that it was'nt until after the 9/11 bomings when the American Gov was looking for international support for its "war against terorirsum" that they made any serious effort to stem the flow of money in support for the IRA from America. Mabye the Uk should of deported all the Roman Catholics??
August 14, 200520 yr Just figured you must be related as all you ever seem to spout is support for the buggers. Why don't you and all the rest of these terrorist loving guys just go to where ever you would be liked more, it certainly isn't England, the US or any other country that has been bombed by these fvckwits or the muslim pople that know who they are but keep a blind eye but say "it's not all of us" and still have the gall to say you asked for it. Don't go away mad, just go away. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I always find it strange that people start on about "the muslims" being guilty for not standing up and saying anything. During the IRA's boming campain (they killed far more people than the current bombs) I never heared anyone condeming all Roman Catholics. Its also strange that it was'nt until after the 9/11 bomings when the American Gov was looking for international support for its "war against terorirsum" that they made any serious effort to stem the flow of money in support for the IRA from America. Mabye the Uk should of deported all the Roman Catholics?? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh, that's a good point, RC.
August 14, 200520 yr Did he support the attacks, or like many didn't say anything? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He is known as one of the "Preachers of Hate" !! totster <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So , why did they send him back? They could've violated his human rights right there. Or maybe just put a bullet in the back of his head, then send him back. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Far too merciful ... far too quick Remember the innocents killed by these shIt eaters.
August 14, 200520 yr Bout time they got tough on this I am hoping Johnny Howard does the same thing here in AUS. The cancer is growing here,too many muslim kids with nothing to do and parents who let them get away with it. Theirs a documentary coming up here about these poor aus born muslim kids saying they will never fit in!! Its just a copout....they can always go back to mum and dads homeland and see what life is really like.... Not likely,not many Subaru WRX S there!! Did he support the attacks, or like many didn't say anything? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He is known as one of the "Preachers of Hate" !! totster <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So , why did they send him back? They could've violated his human rights right there. Or maybe just put a bullet in the back of his head, then send him back. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Far too merciful ... far too quick Remember the innocents killed by these shIt eaters. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
August 14, 200520 yr Did he support the attacks, or like many didn't say anything? He is known as one of the "Preachers of Hate" !! totster So , why did they send him back? They could've violated his human rights right there. Or maybe just put a bullet in the back of his head, then send him back. Far too merciful ... far too quick Remember the innocents killed by these shIt eaters. I believe the British Government has reached an agreement with Jordan that anyone we send there will not be executed! This allows them to get rid of undesirables and bypass the UN Convention on Human Rights. Evidently there is a list of around 500 radicals in the UK that the goverment intends to exclude. Desperate times call for desperate measures!
August 14, 200520 yr I never heared anyone condeming all Roman Catholics. correct me if i am wrong but i believe during the ira bombing campaign in the uk there was almost total condemnation of the ira's actions by british based catholic clergy , and by british catholics. there is no such a widespread condemnation of the present terror campaign by british based muslim clergy nor british muslims of pakistani descent. some will utter a few placatory soundbites for the press , most keep quiet and the rest , the silent majority unfortunately just arouse suspicion by their silence and there seems to be no shortage of those who are all for it.
August 14, 200520 yr Author I believe the British Government has reached an agreement with Jordan that anyone we send there will not be executed! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The agreement is that his human rights will not be abused and he will not face the death penalty. totster
August 15, 200520 yr I believe the British Government has reached an agreement with Jordan that anyone we send there will not be executed! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The agreement is that his human rights will not be abused and he will not face the death penalty. totster <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Now that's a da.mn shame.
August 16, 200520 yr Author I believe the British Government has reached an agreement with Jordan that anyone we send there will not be executed! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The agreement is that his human rights will not be abused and he will not face the death penalty. totster <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Now that's a da.mn shame. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Like I said... I find myself not caring totster
August 16, 200520 yr I never heared anyone condeming all Roman Catholics. correct me if i am wrong but i believe during the ira bombing campaign in the uk there was almost total condemnation of the ira's actions by british based catholic clergy , and by british catholics. there is no such a widespread condemnation of the present terror campaign by british based muslim clergy nor british muslims of pakistani descent. some will utter a few placatory soundbites for the press , most keep quiet and the rest , the silent majority unfortunately just arouse suspicion by their silence and there seems to be no shortage of those who are all for it. A survey quoted in the Swedish press indicate approx. 80% opposed to the terror, and 20% expressing sympathy for the terrorists. So if these figures are anything to go by, the vast majority are against. As for the remaining 20%, that is scary. Pakistan's head of state clearly condemned the bombings. I am sure lots of other muslims have done so as well - not that I follow the Middle Eastern news media that closely.
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