August 25, 200520 yr Who said communism didn't work ? A real patriot that Chavez http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/08/...reut/index.html HAVANA, Cuba (Reuters) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, popular with the poor at home, offered on Tuesday to help needy Americans with cheap supplies of gasoline."We want to sell gasoline and heating fuel directly to poor communities in the United States," the populist leader told reporters at the end of a visit to Communist-run Cuba. Chavez did not say how Venezuela would go about providing gasoline to poor communities. Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA owns Citgo, which has 14,000 gas stations in the United States. The offer may sound attractive to Americans feeling pinched by soaring prices at the pump but not to the U.S. government, which sees Chavez as a left-wing troublemaker in Latin America. Gasoline is cheaper than mineral water in oil-producing Venezuela, where consumers can fill their tanks for less than $2. Average gas prices have risen to $2.61 a gallon in the United States, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.
August 25, 200520 yr Who said communism didn't work ? A real patriot that Chavez http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/08/...reut/index.html HAVANA, Cuba (Reuters) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, popular with the poor at home, offered on Tuesday to help needy Americans with cheap supplies of gasoline."We want to sell gasoline and heating fuel directly to poor communities in the United States," the populist leader told reporters at the end of a visit to Communist-run Cuba. Chavez did not say how Venezuela would go about providing gasoline to poor communities. Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA owns Citgo, which has 14,000 gas stations in the United States. The offer may sound attractive to Americans feeling pinched by soaring prices at the pump but not to the U.S. government, which sees Chavez as a left-wing troublemaker in Latin America. Gasoline is cheaper than mineral water in oil-producing Venezuela, where consumers can fill their tanks for less than $2. Average gas prices have risen to $2.61 a gallon in the United States, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What a laugh! A communist dictator wants to throw freebies at America while most of his own country lives in dire poverty? Who's kidding whom? But thanks for the info. Now I know to boycott Citgo and any business associated with it.
August 25, 200520 yr I thought I check out a bit about Venezuela and this nutter Chavez....so I went on line and looked at the CIA (that's the USofA Central Intelligence Agency) World Factbook-Venezuela and found out that Chavez is the freely elected president of Venezuela and he won election with 60% of the vote....that's HUGE....obviously the man that the people of Venezuela want as their president. There was a recall vote held later on into the term and he won that election by 58%...that's HUGE too and shows that even when his programs became unconventional that a HUGE percent of the people still wanted him to run their country. Of course conservative people who can't stand for anyone to have views other than their own HATE him. He's against the USofA's war on terror and its war in Iraq. He thinks that maybe globalization isn't in every countries best interest....to make a long story short he can think for himself independent from the politics that control the US. I don't have a clue if he's a good person or a good politician or if I agree with what he says or does but since he's the democratically elected president of a nation we should listen to what he says respectfully if for no other reason then to respect the institution of democracy....he is an actor on the world political stage that is there because of the freedom and democracy in Venezuela....long live freedom and democracy! If you think that REAL freedom and democracy in Irag will produce someone better than him then you are likely dreaming. Democracy gets some real idiots elected so should we give up on democracy??....I think not.
August 25, 200520 yr Author Well, without Roosevelt socialist program, the US would still be in the depression or be in the same state as Cuba. At least the oil is being used on social programs so maybe that guy is not all that bad.
August 25, 200520 yr Wasn't Chavez swapping oil for Cuban Doctors? Quite a novel approach really.can't understand why people on this board hate him so much. As Chow points out, he was democratically elected, which is a prerequisite before you are evan allowed to talk to the USA govenment.
August 25, 200520 yr Paying for votes is how Chavez was elected. Not to mention easy to do in a banana republic.
August 25, 200520 yr Paying for votes is how Chavez was elected. Not to mention easy to do in a banana republic. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Same as Thailand only Chavez takes better care of his people than Toxin.
August 25, 200520 yr Paying for votes is how Chavez was elected. Not to mention easy to do in a banana republic. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What, just like here then. EDIT..Larry beat me to it.
August 25, 200520 yr Paying for votes is how Chavez was elected. Not to mention easy to do in a banana republic. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I guess you know alot more about how democracy works in Venezuela than I do. Did he buy off the recall vote too? Also what's your source of information on this. I support democracy and democratic process. Its often flawed....like Florida...but you still go along with whatever idiot you get....because if you want democracy to spread you've got to start somewhere. A bad democracy can grow into something better...bad dictatorships rarely if ever grow into something better. And by the way Venezuela was never a banana republic if my memory of history is correct...am I wrong on this?...not sure.
August 25, 200520 yr Author Isn't Venezuela the only country in OPEC not to be a dictatorship and not supported by the US ?
August 25, 200520 yr Is President Bush America's Biggest Gas Guzzler? By JENNIFER LOVEN, AP WASHINGTON (Aug. 24) - Getting President Bush from here to there consumes an enormous amount of fuel, whether he's aboard Air Force One, riding in a helicopter or on the ground in a heavily armored limousine. The bill gets steeper every day as the White House is rocked by the same energy prices as regular drivers. Taxpayers still foot the bill. It is not President Bush's choice to be ferried around in a less than fuel-efficient manner. Special security and communications needs make presidential vehicles consume more gas. Almost every vehicle Bush uses is custom-made to add security and communications capabilities, and the heavier weight of these guzzlers further drives up gas and jet fuel costs. The White House declines to discuss travel costs related to the presidential entourage, and did not respond to a request for the overall effect of higher fuel prices on its budget. It is not Bush's choice to be ferried around in a less than fuel-efficient manner. Those arrangements are dictated by tradition and the Secret Service, whose mission is to protect him. But Bush is one of the nation's most-traveled presidents. He has visited 46 countries, some of them several times, during his presidency. He has been to all states except Vermont and Rhode Island. So far this year, he has made 73 domestic and foreign trips, including crisscrossing the country on a 60-day, 60-city tour to promote his Social Security plan. He was on the road Wednesday, speaking to a military audience in Idaho, before returning to his Texas ranch to resume his summer vacation. About the only vehicle Bush has much say in is the 2001 white Ford F250 pickup he keeps on his ranch. At the nationwide gasoline average of $2.61 a gallon, it would cost at least $75 to fill the Ford's tank. The 1999 four-wheel-drive model gets 13 miles per gallon in the city, 17 on the highway, according to an Energy Department Web site, http://www.fueleconomy.gov. But much as he seems to relish any chance to get behind the wheel, Bush actually drives the pickup very little, confined as he is to only occasional visits to his ranch and to remaining on its 1,600 acres when he's driving himself. Elsewhere, whether in Washington, Des Moines or Tbilisi, Bush is driven in a large motorcade. The typical presidential caravan has well over a dozen vehicles, including Bush's limousine and an identical limo put in as a decoy. The motorcade generally doesn't cruise placidly at fuel-efficient speeds, but rather hurries along its route as fast as possible. It also often idles outside while Bush is at an event, burning up fuel but ready to depart at a moment's notice. The president's limos alone consume lots of gas. Starting with his inaugural in January, Bush began tooling around in new 2006 Cadillac DTS limos. The full-sized luxury sedan version, available to the general public, has an 18-gallon tank that would cost about $47 to fill at that $2.61-a-gallon rate. (White House vehicles are fueled at a special, dedicated facility and the price paid per gallon there is not released.) Cadillac spokesman Kevin Smith said the Cadillac DTS sedan gets 18 mpg in the city, 27 on the highway. The vehicle Bush uses is a much different animal - with different gas mileage. An outside company customizes the DTS for presidential use by "stretching'' it to limo length, adding bulletproof glass, heavy armor and other bells and whistles - all making it significantly heavier and less fuel-efficient, Smith said. The same thing for the Chevrolet Suburbans that are sometimes used as limo substitutes. The mass-marketed 2005 K1500 Suburban would cost nearly $81 to fill up with its large 31-gallon tank. It gets 15 mpg in the city, 19 on the highway, according to http://www.fueleconomy.gov. But it's not clear exactly which trim model of Suburban Bush uses, and his are custom-fitted with extra gear that would reduce the gas mileage. In the air, Bush most often flies on a Boeing 747-200B laden with, among other things, an anti-missile system. Like gas for cars, fuel costs for the largest plane in the Air Force One fleet have gone up dramatically - from $3,974 an hour in fiscal 2004 to $6,029 per hour now, according to the Air Force. John Armbrust, publisher of Jet Fuel Report, said Air Force One is no different from its commercial counterparts in that respect. "It's an expensive proposition to fly these planes, whether its Air Force One or a regular 747,'' he said. Reducing his appearances outside the White House and making other gestures toward fuel conservation could help cut down on costs. But some suggest that could do more harm for national morale and Bush's image than good for the financial bottom line. Remember Jimmy Carter donning a sweater and asking Americans facing an energy crisis to turn down their thermostats? Or giving the speech about the nation's "crisis of confidence'' that led to his permanent association with "malaise?'' Carter's critics turned both utterances into emblems that contributed to his political undoing. 08/24/05 21:24 EDT
August 25, 200520 yr More rubbish from Chavez what an obvious nutter. Got that right. This thread is one big Troll...
August 26, 200520 yr If the USA doesn't like Chavez, simply follow the recommendation of that good Christian leader to use that good Christian method: assasination.. VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson has suggested that American agents assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to stop his country from becoming "a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism."
August 26, 200520 yr If the USA doesn't like Chavez, simply follow the recommendation of that good Christian leader to use that good Christian method: assasination.. VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson has suggested that American agents assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to stop his country from becoming "a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism." <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I've been waiting for someone to off Robertson for years, I'm still waiting. So, I guess Robertson will just have to wait to.
August 26, 200520 yr The Christian minister called for the murder of the President of Venezuela, in an apology he repeated the call for murder: is this the voice of Christianity? http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules...rticle&sid=1152 god bless America
August 26, 200520 yr If the USA doesn't like Chavez, simply follow the recommendation of that good Christian leader to use that good Christian method: assasination.. VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson has suggested that American agents assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to stop his country from becoming "a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism." I've been waiting for someone to off Robertson for years, I'm still waiting. So, I guess Robertson will just have to wait to. He's apologized so everything is better now. Chavez couldn't give a sh1t about some religious nut-case anyway.
August 26, 200520 yr Author If the USA doesn't like Chavez, simply follow the recommendation of that good Christian leader to use that good Christian method: assasination.. VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson has suggested that American agents assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to stop his country from becoming "a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism." <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yeah, this is exactly what's wrong with all those Christian fundies: stop abortion but they are big supporter of the death penalty. Speak of conflicting morals
August 26, 200520 yr Author He's apologized so everything is better now. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, right. He apologized under the pressure of the media. He still thinks otherwise. And apologizing doesn't make it ok. He said what he said and he meant it. He is a vicious little fuker and he needs to be put into sleep with the rest of his crowd. Jesus will not approve of him.
August 26, 200520 yr He's apologized so everything is better now. Jesus will not approve of him. Would Jesus approve of you?
August 26, 200520 yr He's apologized so everything is better now. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Jesus will not approve of him. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Would Jesus approve of you? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Jane Fonda apologised Boon....
August 26, 200520 yr If the USA doesn't like Chavez, simply follow the recommendation of that good Christian leader to use that good Christian method: assasination.. VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson has suggested that American agents assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to stop his country from becoming "a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism." <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I've been waiting for someone to off Robertson for years, I'm still waiting. So, I guess Robertson will just have to wait to. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He's apologized so everything is better now. Chavez couldn't give a sh1t about some religious nut-case anyway. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The non-apologetic apology.... ------------------------------------------------------ Is it right to call for assassination? No, and I apologize for that statement. I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him. There are many who disagree with my (original) comments, and I respect their opinions. There are others who think that stopping a dictator is the appropriate course of action. ------------------------------------------------------- Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson apologized yesterday for calling for the assassination of President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, only hours after he denied saying Chavez should be killed. original comments: ''We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with." He initially denied having called for Chavez to be killed and said the Associated Press misinterpreted his remarks. ''I didn't say 'assassination.' I said our special forces should 'take him out,' " Robertson said on his show. '' 'Take him out' could be a number of things, including kidnapping." yeah, right...
August 26, 200520 yr He's apologized so everything is better now. Jesus will not approve of him. Would Jesus approve of you? Jane Fonda apologised Boon.... Yeah, but she really didn't mean it! Bill Clinton also said: "I didn't have sex with that woman" too!
August 26, 200520 yr The Christian minister called for the murder of the President of Venezuela, in an apology he repeated the call for murder: is this the voice of Christianity?http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules...rticle&sid=1152 god bless America <{POST_SNAPBACK}> C'mon ... everyone and their brother knows that Robertson is a senile nut case and has always been way too far right for anyone's palette. Even his own people were cringing when he made that statement. They know those kinds of statements eventually cost money because they cause people to tune him and his extremist organization out. On the other hand, you don't see him trying to fund a hit squad of suicide b*mbers like so many other nut cases in other parts of the world.
August 26, 200520 yr yeah, this is exactly what's wrong with all those Christian fundies: stop abortion but they are big supporter of the death penalty. Speak of conflicting morals <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Another apples and oranges argument! Protecting innocent life is one thing. Exacting punishment on sociopathic, psychopathic felons who have been/are/will be nothing more than a burden to society is quite another. They are usually guilty as heck and have it coming to them. (Or maybe we should do like you hero Castro, and put all of our lifers on the boat to Cuba and tell them not to come back.) Not that I'm a Bible-thumper or anything, but the commandment is more accurately translated to shall not commit murder, rather than the new age version fo shall not kill. (Also not anti-abortion per se. It's a woman's right to choose up to a certain point, about 24 weeks. After that, it's been proven that children can survive, so it's very obvious that terminating after that is taking a life. I don't like government intervention, but if there are opposing sides, there has to be a line in the sand.)
August 26, 200520 yr "Pat Robertson is an idiot. Not only that, but he's a hypocritical idiot. If we were so hot for toppling dictators, he really ought to stop making millions of dollars off them. Not that there'd be much wrong with killing Hugo Chávez. If there's one thing Ayn Rand got right, it's this: No dictatorship has any right to exist; any free nation wishing to topple a dictatorship has the moral right (but not the moral obligation) to do so. Failing that, knocking off the dictator certainly couldn't do any harm. But Robertson is still an idiot" italics mine Link
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