August 31, 200520 yr terrorist-exporting regimes & OIL? So....lets occupy Saudi Arabia then. Fits the above bill. 911 hijackers were Saudi Lots of Oil there No democracy Repressive regime
August 31, 200520 yr Hong Kong has done ok too.Never been a democracy. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yep, that's even a better example. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> <deleted> me sideways, NZ is ruled by a party with only 45% of the vote.The NZ labour party tell us when and how to <deleted>, how to bring up our kids and how to be good people. I have turned down two dinner invitations where the NZ Prime Minister was also invited.I know that I could not hold my tongue against the commie witch that has known nothing in her life but University and politics. Under mixed member proportion democracy, i'd rather have a dictatorship.
August 31, 200520 yr Author terrorist-exporting regimes & OIL? So....lets occupy Saudi Arabia then. Fits the above bill. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> and the case for linking the invasion with 911 would actually make sense
August 31, 200520 yr terrorist-exporting regimes & OIL? So....lets occupy Saudi Arabia then. Fits the above bill. 911 hijackers were Saudi Lots of Oil there No democracy Repressive regime Woudn't wash politically, you know what I mean?
August 31, 200520 yr Wanting the yanks to fail in Iraq would be a mistake. I think success is the only option and the best course for them leaving the middle east.
August 31, 200520 yr Woudn't wash politically, you know what I mean? How about Iran? Oh nuts. They have a Democracy. ...but their electorate keeps voting for the wrong party though. Isn't there some way we can teach them that we don't just want them to be Democratic, we want them also to choose the right winner.
August 31, 200520 yr Wanting the yanks to fail in Iraq would be a mistake. I think success is the only option and the best course for them leaving the middle east. It's not just us septics who have a vested interest in Iraq Brit, y'all have a few troops there too. Losing in Iraq would spell disaster in terms of strengthening the terror 100-fold...
August 31, 200520 yr Author Wanting the yanks to fail in Iraq would be a mistake. I think success is the only option and the best course for them leaving the middle east. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think the greatest danger in Iraq is not the insurgents, but the American public. As soon as everyone there come to realize that Iraq is a failure, they will cowardly leave it to self destruction without even looking back. That's the real tragedy of it all. It was just a war to take advantage of the weaks, that is the Iraqi people, not Saddam.
August 31, 200520 yr Wanting the yanks to fail in Iraq would be a mistake. I think success is the only option and the best course for them leaving the middle east. I think the greatest danger in Iraq is not the insurgents, but the American public. As soon as everyone there come to realize that Iraq is a failure, they will cowardly leave it to self destruction without even looking back. That's the real tragedy of it all. It was just a war to take advantage of the weaks, that is the Iraqi people, not Saddam. Ain't gonna happen, buddy!
August 31, 200520 yr Woudn't wash politically, you know what I mean? How about Iran? Oh nuts. They have a Democracy. ...but their electorate keeps voting for the wrong party though. Isn't there some way we can teach them that we don't just want them to be Democratic, we want them also to choose the right winner. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Don't you mean a Theocratic Democracy? Never took you to be a God-wallah?
August 31, 200520 yr Author Wanting the yanks to fail in Iraq would be a mistake. I think success is the only option and the best course for them leaving the middle east. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's not just us septics who have a vested interest in Iraq Brit, y'all have a few troops there too. Losing in Iraq would spell disaster in terms of strengthening the terror 100-fold... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The "coalition" forces lost that war the first day they stepped into Iraq when nobody was there to greet them with roses and cantics like they were told during the WH briefings.
August 31, 200520 yr America and Britain won't go into anywhere now that doesn't suit their geopolitical aims. Genocide in Rwanda, Sudan? Tough.....
August 31, 200520 yr Hong Kong has done ok too.Never been a democracy. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yep, that's even a better example. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> <deleted> me sideways, NZ is ruled by a party with only 45% of the vote.The NZ labour party tell us when and how to <deleted>, how to bring up our kids and how to be good people. I have turned down two dinner invitations where the NZ Prime Minister was also invited.I know that I could not hold my tongue against the commie witch that has known nothing in her life but University and politics. Under mixed member proportion democracy, i'd rather have a dictatorship. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why don't retired All Blacks become politicians?
August 31, 200520 yr America and Britain won't go into anywhere now that doesn't suit their geopolitical aims.Genocide in Rwanda, Sudan? Tough..... Beg to differ there Moogie - recall Bosnia? No 'geopolitical' aims there...
August 31, 200520 yr America and Britain won't go into anywhere now that doesn't suit their geopolitical aims.Genocide in Rwanda, Sudan? Tough..... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If you were driving the bus, would you? And how would you explain your decision to Mr. and Mrs Jones whose son is in Iraq with the Royal Lancashire Fusiliers.
August 31, 200520 yr America and Britain won't go into anywhere now that doesn't suit their geopolitical aims.Genocide in Rwanda, Sudan? Tough..... If you were driving the bus, would you? And how would you explain your decision to Mr. and Mrs Jones whose son is in Iraq with the Royal Lancashire Fusiliers. I would tell Mr. & Mrs. Jones whose son obviously volunteered to go to Iraq with the Royal Lancashire Fusiliers, their son was doing what he wanted to do... No conscription these days from what I've heard.
August 31, 200520 yr MoogAmerica and Britain won't go into anywhere now that doesn't suit their geopolitical aims. Genocide in Rwanda, Sudan? TM If you were driving the bus, would you? And how would you explain your decision to Mr. and Mrs Jones whose son is in Iraq with the Royal Lancashire Fusiliers. BM I would tell Mr. & Mrs. Jones whose son obviously volunteered to go to Iraq with the Royal Lancashire Fusiliers, their son was doing what he wanted to do... No conscription these days from what I've heard. ......Exactly, I don't see why peace-keeping duties in Rwanda should be any inferior to being sent to Iraq. As BM points out, its a professional army. They'll go where they're told. Its the politicans that are the decision makers and cause all the problems. The soldiers do a brave, great job.
August 31, 200520 yr Author America and Britain won't go into anywhere now that doesn't suit their geopolitical aims.Genocide in Rwanda, Sudan? Tough..... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Beg to differ there Moogie - recall Bosnia? No 'geopolitical' aims there... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If you want to compare a recent conflict with WW2, this is probably it. Same location, same evils. But Iraq is no WW2, it's Vietnam all over again baby !!!
August 31, 200520 yr Moog America and Britain won't go into anywhere now that doesn't suit their geopolitical aims. Genocide in Rwanda, Sudan? TM If you were driving the bus, would you? And how would you explain your decision to Mr. and Mrs Jones whose son is in Iraq with the Royal Lancashire Fusiliers. BM I would tell Mr. & Mrs. Jones whose son obviously volunteered to go to Iraq with the Royal Lancashire Fusiliers, their son was doing what he wanted to do... No conscription these days from what I've heard. ......Exactly, I don't see why peace-keeping duties in Rwanda should be any inferior to being sent to Iraq. As BM points out, its a professional army. They'll go where they're told. Its the politicans that are the decision makers and cause all the problems. The soldiers do a brave, great job. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think BM and you misunderstood my point. What I was trying to say was, changing direction and intentions of a foreign policy is not just a matter of signing a piece of paper - we are after all a democracy and not as many anti-war (both left and righties) pretend, a dictatorship. What arguments would you use to persuade all the institutions involved (from the military through to the electorate and taxpayer) that our resources are better used in one conflict as compared to another? Geopolitical? Economical? Moral? etc...
August 31, 200520 yr Life in Iraq getting Grander! "U.S. warplanes backed Sunni Arab tribal fighters on Tuesday in what tribal leaders called an unprecedented Sunni-led offensive to drive out Abu Musab Zarqawi’s forces. Three days of ongoing fighting in towns near the Syrian border killed at least 61 people, at least 56 of them Tuesday, said Dr. Ali Rawi, emergency-room director at the hospital in the largest city near the fighting, Qaim, about 200 miles northwest of Baghdad. A tribal leader near the Syrian border, Sheikh Muhammed Mahallawi, said his Albu Mahal tribe opened the latest fighting against Zarqawi’s insurgents after the foreign-led militants kidnapped and killed 31 members of his tribe to punish them for joining Iraqi security forces. “We decided—either we force them out of the city or we kill them,” with the support of U.S. bombing, Mahallawi said by telephone." Link TM~ It's most probably a combination of all three.
August 31, 200520 yr Life in Iraq getting Grander!... TM~ It's most probably a combination of all three. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And herein lies a simple truth. Just as there are no "silver bullets" to solve any conflicting situation (such as Iraq), there are never any simple one line reasons as to why the US and the UK wish to try.
August 31, 200520 yr Agree. As much as I hate the Americans for being invaders, I would hate to see them leave at this stage. First they need a good spanking ala Vietnam so they can be reminded that their shit does stink. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Again you persist in trying to Vietnam-ize the current situation in Iraq. They are nothing alike. It is completely illogical and irrational to believe that they are. Yet you persist. Why? It will also force the Euro fags to put their sh1t together and form a real European Army to take over world police duty. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And with the ultra-nationalistic French constantly considering themselves to be the leaders of continental Europe, this is going to happen WHEN? HOW? America is no longer providing solutions to the world, they are only creating problems. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm sure that the 19 BILLION dollars in US foreign aid last year just created problems. (Oh by the way, since you insist on Bush-bashing, it's worth noting that the US foreign aid budget almost doubled during the first Bush term, starting at $10.9B in 2001 and reaching $19B in 2004. Oh yeah, I forgot, that's just more problems.) Get real!
August 31, 200520 yr I didn't fight in Vietnam. So I guess you're more qualifed to comment than me Boon Mee, and I respect that Service you did there. However, a good friend of mine in Bangkok is a double Silver Star winning Ranger who was an Officer in Vietnam. He says he can see clear parallels between Iraq now and Vietnam then- both militarily and from the point of the governing political spin.
August 31, 200520 yr Apples and oranges - heard different from quite a few Nam Vets. -tactics and not to mention vast majority if the terrorists aren't iraqie.
September 1, 200520 yr Author Vietnam was also a success when you listen to war supporters. Speak of denial. Like I said, the American public will wake up from their dreams when the GIs leave Baghdad Saigon style. All this live from CNN of course, which will only add to the humiliation and cowardice of the American army. Will Iraq be better off as an Islamic state like their Iranian neighbors ? maybe not so bad. Iranians seems pretty happy with what they have. It's not the best, but at least they are not being mass murdered by their own leaders or bombed by their liberators.
September 1, 200520 yr Vietnam was also a success when you listen to war supporters. Speak of denial.Like I said, the American public will wake up from their dreams when the GIs leave Baghdad Saigon style. All this live from CNN of course, which will only add to the humiliation and cowardice of the American army. Will Iraq be better off as an Islamic state like their Iranian neighbors ? maybe not so bad. Iranians seems pretty happy with what they have. It's not the best, but at least they are not being mass murdered by their own leaders or bombed by their liberators. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The US army may be alot of things but I don't think that 'cowardice' is one of them...sometimes I think "your mind is on vacation but your mouth is working overtime." (Mose Allison)
September 1, 200520 yr Wanting the yanks to fail in Iraq would be a mistake. I think success is the only option and the best course for them leaving the middle east. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think the greatest danger in Iraq is not the insurgents, but the American public. As soon as everyone there come to realize that Iraq is a failure, they will cowardly leave it to self destruction without even looking back. That's the real tragedy of it all. It was just a war to take advantage of the weaks, that is the Iraqi people, not Saddam. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ain't gonna happen, buddy! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Can we pin this post?
September 1, 200520 yr Author The US army may be alot of things but I don't think that 'cowardice' is one of them...sometimes I think "your mind is on vacation but your mouth is working overtime." (Mose Allison) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My mind is always on vacation otherwise I wouldn't post here and would do something useful instead Yes "cowardice" as not taking responsabilities for their action. Cowardice as using too much "fire power" and a lot of "gadget" to crush third world insurgents. It's easy to use your toys and "splash" bullets to everything that moves. Where is the "heroic" warrior in that ? That's what I meant above. After splashing everyone with bombs and heavy fire power, they will leave like nothing happened and a job well done. How is that not cowardice ?
September 1, 200520 yr The US army may be alot of things but I don't think that 'cowardice' is one of them...sometimes I think "your mind is on vacation but your mouth is working overtime." (Mose Allison) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My mind is always on vacation otherwise I wouldn't post here and would do something useful instead Yes "cowardice" as not taking responsabilities for their action. Cowardice as using too much "fire power" and a lot of "gadget" to crush third world insurgents. It's easy to use your toys and "splash" bullets to everything that moves. Where is the "heroic" warrior in that ? That's what I meant above. After splashing everyone with bombs and heavy fire power, they will leave like nothing happened and a job well done. How is that not cowardice ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I would have thought that when you are at War, you would use all the resourses available to you that might cut down on your own casualties.Funny way to fight really, maybe they should have armed their guys with pocket knives. You may hate Americans and the war butterfly, but for goodness sake, please can you engage brain before posting.
September 1, 200520 yr You may hate Americans and the war butterfly, but for goodness sake, please can you engage brain before posting. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ...a more difficult task than rebuilding lives and property on the gulf coast i reckon...
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