Thai Democrat Is Confident They Will Retain Membership Of Liberal International

[Lite Beer]

Democrat is confident it will retain the membership of the Liberal International

BANGKOK, 13 February 2011 (NNT)-Democrat Party Spokesperson Dr Buranaj Smutharaks says he is confident the attempt to expulse the Democrat Party from the Liberal International, the world federation of liberal and progressive democratic political parties, will not succeed.

In a statement written in the White Paper, Mr. Robert Amsterdam, a Canadian lawyer, who represents former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinwatra, claims that the Democrat Party “had used the military to violently repress protests”. And as a result, it “neither abides by nor really believes in” the principles spelled out in the 1947 Liberal Manifesto and should be expelled from the Liberal International.

Dr Buranaj revealed that the committee of the Liberal International expressed concerns over the content in the White Paper which also refers to the Monarchy; the statement which the committee said could lead to misunderstanding. He further added that Mr. Amsterdam’s legal team also consisting of those who had criticized against the drug eradication scheme by Mr. Thaksin’s administration which saw over 2,500 people killed and called it a crime against humanity.

-- NNT 2011-02-13

[animatic]

The damned hamster is clutching at straws to find ANY group to besmirch the Dems with. Who exactly is Liberal International, and does this actually mean ANYTHING AT ALL in the scheme of things, besides that that Kuhn T. is getting in the press again... Seems like a desperate attempt to over ride the Cambo press cycle with something, ANYTHING, to get the pay check justified.

So any guess on how many Thais have ever even heard the name Liberal International?

How many Thais care at all about this?

Edited February 13, 2011 by animatic

[Buchholz]

Dr Buranaj revealed that the committee of the Liberal International expressed concerns over the content in the White Paper which also refers to the Monarchy; the statement which the committee said could lead to misunderstanding. He further added that Mr. Amsterdam’s legal team also consisting of those who had criticized against the drug eradication scheme by Mr. Thaksin’s administration which saw over 2,500 people killed and called it a crime against humanity.

Between Liberal International's response to Amsterdam's "Black Paper" and its inappropriate referencing... and the hypocrisy of Amsterdam's legal beagles in regards to Thaksin's Drug War slaughter... and that the President of Liberal International was just here in Thailand meeting with Abhisit, the prospects for anything to develop from Amsterdam's latest feeble smear attempt will fail like his others...

Another wasted effort from Thaksin's wallet

During his visit to Thailand, the President of Liberal International (LI) Hans van Baalen MEP was received by the Thai Prime Minister and Leader of the LI full member Democrat Party Abhisit Vejjajiva.

They discussed the current political developments in Thailand and in the region.

Liberal International Newsletter (Issue 215) - January 14, 2011

[animatic]

Dr Buranaj revealed that the committee of the Liberal International expressed concerns over the content in the White Paper which also refers to the Monarchy; the statement which the committee said could lead to misunderstanding. He further added that Mr. Amsterdam's legal team also consisting of those who had criticized against the drug eradication scheme by Mr. Thaksin's administration which saw over 2,500 people killed and called it a crime against humanity.

Between Liberal International's response to Amsterdam's "Black Paper" and its inappropriate referencing... and the hypocrisy of Amsterdam's legal beagles in regards to Thaksin's Drug War slaughter... and that the President of Liberal International was just here in Thailand meeting with Abhisit, the prospects for anything to develop from Amsterdam's latest feeble smear attempt will fail like his others...

Another wasted effort from Thaksin's wallet

During his visit to Thailand, the President of Liberal International (LI) Hans van Baalen MEP was received by the Thai Prime Minister and Leader of the LI full member Democrat Party Abhisit Vejjajiva.

They discussed the current political developments in Thailand and in the region.

Liberal International Newsletter (Issue 215) - January 14, 2011

This visit is the only reason this even came up on the damed hamsters radar. So one more thing to attempt smear, anything they can think off, the proverbial kitchen sink, to justify the extravagant paycheck...a nd still no traction to get the job done.

Edited February 13, 2011 by animatic

[stepenwolf1958]

Dr Buranaj revealed that the committee of the Liberal International expressed concerns over the content in the White Paper which also refers to the Monarchy; the statement which the committee said could lead to misunderstanding. He further added that Mr. Amsterdam’s legal team also consisting of those who had criticized against the drug eradication scheme by Mr. Thaksin’s administration which saw over 2,500 people killed and called it a crime against humanity.

Between Liberal International's response to Amsterdam's "Black Paper" and its inappropriate referencing... and the hypocrisy of Amsterdam's legal beagles in regards to Thaksin's Drug War slaughter... and that the President of Liberal International was just here in Thailand meeting with Abhisit, the prospects for anything to develop from Amsterdam's latest feeble smear attempt will fail like his others...

Another wasted effort from Thaksin's wallet

During his visit to Thailand, the President of Liberal International (LI) Hans van Baalen MEP was received by the Thai Prime Minister and Leader of the LI full member Democrat Party Abhisit Vejjajiva.

They discussed the current political developments in Thailand and in the region.

Liberal International Newsletter (Issue 215) - January 14, 2011

Yes, you are brilliant in twisting things, in trying to make upside-down the facts. But that is just your trying and frankly, your waste of time.

You can not convince anyone that this visit was affirmative for democrats. Anyone who is rational, will not accept this your try. It is more than obvious the visit was not on the purpose of encouraging the Democrats to pursue their vision of the exercise of democracy.

This visit was not to support democrats in their"measures" and further handling situations like they did it.

Visit had the character of the expression of interest and concern that one Democrat Party, full member of IL organizations, uses draconian measures in resolving the protest.

That was the real purpose of visit. Not as you are trying to fool people here, that it was affirmative for Democrats.

[Buchholz]

Dr Buranaj revealed that the committee of the Liberal International expressed concerns over the content in the White Paper which also refers to the Monarchy; the statement which the committee said could lead to misunderstanding. He further added that Mr. Amsterdam’s legal team also consisting of those who had criticized against the drug eradication scheme by Mr. Thaksin’s administration which saw over 2,500 people killed and called it a crime against humanity.

Between Liberal International's response to Amsterdam's "Black Paper" and its inappropriate referencing... and the hypocrisy of Amsterdam's legal beagles in regards to Thaksin's Drug War slaughter... and that the President of Liberal International was just here in Thailand meeting with Abhisit, the prospects for anything to develop from Amsterdam's latest feeble smear attempt will fail like his others...

Another wasted effort from Thaksin's wallet

During his visit to Thailand, the President of Liberal International (LI) Hans van Baalen MEP was received by the Thai Prime Minister and Leader of the LI full member Democrat Party Abhisit Vejjajiva.

They discussed the current political developments in Thailand and in the region.

Liberal International Newsletter (Issue 215) - January 14, 2011

Yes, you are brilliant in twisting things, in trying to make upside-down the facts. But that is just your trying and frankly, your waste of time.

You can not convince anyone that this visit was affirmative for democrats. Anyone who is rational, will not accept this your try. It is more than obvious the visit was not on the purpose of encouraging the Democrats to pursue their vision of the exercise of democracy.

This visit was not to support democrats in their"measures" and further handling situations like they did it.

Visit had the character of the expression of interest and concern that one Democrat Party, full member of IL organizations, uses draconian measures in resolving the protest.

That was the real purpose of visit. Not as you are trying to fool people here, that it was affirmative for Democrats.

Wonderful.

Do you have ANY factual evidence in the form of interviews, news articles, or ANY other concrete form, that ANY of what you're theorizing was the negative context of President van Baalen's visit to Thailand is actually true?

OR

is it merely your own imagined take on what you think MIGHT be the situation?

sheesh...talk about "twisting"... you seem to excel at it without ANY proof whatsoever.

.

Edited February 13, 2011 by Buchholz

[phiphidon]

Dr Buranaj revealed that the committee of the Liberal International expressed concerns over the content in the White Paper which also refers to the Monarchy; the statement which the committee said could lead to misunderstanding. He further added that Mr. Amsterdam's legal team also consisting of those who had criticized against the drug eradication scheme by Mr. Thaksin's administration which saw over 2,500 people killed and called it a crime against humanity.

Between Liberal International's response to Amsterdam's "Black Paper" and its inappropriate referencing... and the hypocrisy of Amsterdam's legal beagles in regards to Thaksin's Drug War slaughter... and that the President of Liberal International was just here in Thailand meeting with Abhisit, the prospects for anything to develop from Amsterdam's latest feeble smear attempt will fail like his others...

Another wasted effort from Thaksin's wallet

During his visit to Thailand, the President of Liberal International (LI) Hans van Baalen MEP was received by the Thai Prime Minister and Leader of the LI full member Democrat Party Abhisit Vejjajiva.

They discussed the current political developments in Thailand and in the region.

Liberal International Newsletter (Issue 215) - January 14, 2011

Yes, you are brilliant in twisting things, in trying to make upside-down the facts. But that is just your trying and frankly, your waste of time.

You can not convince anyone that this visit was affirmative for democrats. Anyone who is rational, will not accept this your try. It is more than obvious the visit was not on the purpose of encouraging the Democrats to pursue their vision of the exercise of democracy.

This visit was not to support democrats in their"measures" and further handling situations like they did it.

Visit had the character of the expression of interest and concern that one Democrat Party, full member of IL organizations, uses draconian measures in resolving the protest.

That was the real purpose of visit. Not as you are trying to fool people here, that it was affirmative for Democrats.

Wonderful.

Do you have ANY factual evidence in the form of interviews, news articles, or ANY other concrete form, that ANY of what you're theorizing was the negative context of President van Baalen's visit to Thailand is actually true?

OR

is it merely your own imagined take on what you think MIGHT be the situation?

sheesh...talk about "twisting"... you seem to excel at it without ANY proof whatsoever.

.

Perhaps he was just asking Mr Abhisit about how his liberal approach to the Rohingya boat people is going?

[Buchholz]

So, nothing then; it was just all in stepenwolf1958's imagination, then.

Thanks.

[phiphidon]

So, nothing then; it was just all in stepenwolf1958's imagination, then.

Thanks.

I don't think the Rohingya refugees and detainees will view it as "nothing then". After all, Liberal International as part of their manifesto are

worried about the development whereby more and more states are closing their borders to asylum-seekers, thereby denying refugees the right to seek asylum against persecution and repression of human rights

and indeed

urge all states to pursue a liberal and generous policy towards refugees and asylum-seekers forced to leave their country of origin mainly or partly because of persecution and violation of human rights

Perhaps it's time for Mr Hans van Baalen MEP to come back to Thailand and ask Mr Abhisit some searching questions.

[Buchholz]

So, nothing then; it was just all in stepenwolf1958's imagination, then.

Thanks.

I don't think the Rohingya refugees and detainees will view it as "nothing then"

Evidently you misunderstood that the evidence asked of stepenwolf1958 was to justify his imagined assessment with news relative to the LI visit to Thailand.

That was the "nothing then", that is still lacking.

[Basil B]

As a democratic organization I would have thought it was up the affiliated members to decide who can join and if necessary who to expel, not a lawyer with a political sponsor of questionable creditability.

[stepenwolf1958]

Dr Buranaj revealed that the committee of the Liberal International expressed concerns over the content in the White Paper which also refers to the Monarchy; the statement which the committee said could lead to misunderstanding. He further added that Mr. Amsterdam’s legal team also consisting of those who had criticized against the drug eradication scheme by Mr. Thaksin’s administration which saw over 2,500 people killed and called it a crime against humanity.

Between Liberal International's response to Amsterdam's "Black Paper" and its inappropriate referencing... and the hypocrisy of Amsterdam's legal beagles in regards to Thaksin's Drug War slaughter... and that the President of Liberal International was just here in Thailand meeting with Abhisit, the prospects for anything to develop from Amsterdam's latest feeble smear attempt will fail like his others...

Another wasted effort from Thaksin's wallet

During his visit to Thailand, the President of Liberal International (LI) Hans van Baalen MEP was received by the Thai Prime Minister and Leader of the LI full member Democrat Party Abhisit Vejjajiva.

They discussed the current political developments in Thailand and in the region.

Liberal International Newsletter (Issue 215) - January 14, 2011

Yes, you are brilliant in twisting things, in trying to make upside-down the facts. But that is just your trying and frankly, your waste of time.

You can not convince anyone that this visit was affirmative for democrats. Anyone who is rational, will not accept this your try. It is more than obvious the visit was not on the purpose of encouraging the Democrats to pursue their vision of the exercise of democracy.

This visit was not to support democrats in their"measures" and further handling situations like they did it.

Visit had the character of the expression of interest and concern that one Democrat Party, full member of IL organizations, uses draconian measures in resolving the protest.

That was the real purpose of visit. Not as you are trying to fool people here, that it was affirmative for Democrats.

Wonderful.

Do you have ANY factual evidence in the form of interviews, news articles, or ANY other concrete form, that ANY of what you're theorizing was the negative context of President van Baalen's visit to Thailand is actually true?

OR

is it merely your own imagined take on what you think MIGHT be the situation?

sheesh...talk about "twisting"... you seem to excel at it without ANY proof whatsoever.

.

No, YOU are the one who MUST to show here to all of us that visit was affirmative for the Democrats. . Your post has that intention so you have to do it.

We are waiting your proof, some transcript of the meeting perhaps.

If you don't give us proof, please spare us of your rantings in glorifying them(without reason if you ask me).

By the way no ANY Democrat Party in history of human kind,politic, didn't use weapons and killings to stop protests.

So?

[stepenwolf1958]

Dr Buranaj revealed that the committee of the Liberal International expressed concerns over the content in the White Paper which also refers to the Monarchy; the statement which the committee said could lead to misunderstanding. He further added that Mr. Amsterdam’s legal team also consisting of those who had criticized against the drug eradication scheme by Mr. Thaksin’s administration which saw over 2,500 people killed and called it a crime against humanity.

Between Liberal International's response to Amsterdam's "Black Paper" and its inappropriate referencing... and the hypocrisy of Amsterdam's legal beagles in regards to Thaksin's Drug War slaughter... and that the President of Liberal International was just here in Thailand meeting with Abhisit, the prospects for anything to develop from Amsterdam's latest feeble smear attempt will fail like his others...

Another wasted effort from Thaksin's wallet

During his visit to Thailand, the President of Liberal International (LI) Hans van Baalen MEP was received by the Thai Prime Minister and Leader of the LI full member Democrat Party Abhisit Vejjajiva.

They discussed the current political developments in Thailand and in the region.

Liberal International Newsletter (Issue 215) - January 14, 2011

Yes, you are brilliant in twisting things, in trying to make upside-down the facts. But that is just your trying and frankly, your waste of time.

You can not convince anyone that this visit was affirmative for democrats. Anyone who is rational, will not accept this your try. It is more than obvious the visit was not on the purpose of encouraging the Democrats to pursue their vision of the exercise of democracy.

This visit was not to support democrats in their"measures" and further handling situations like they did it.

Visit had the character of the expression of interest and concern that one Democrat Party, full member of IL organizations, uses draconian measures in resolving the protest.

That was the real purpose of visit. Not as you are trying to fool people here, that it was affirmative for Democrats.

Wonderful.

Do you have ANY factual evidence in the form of interviews, news articles, or ANY other concrete form, that ANY of what you're theorizing was the negative context of President van Baalen's visit to Thailand is actually true?

OR

is it merely your own imagined take on what you think MIGHT be the situation?

sheesh...talk about "twisting"... you seem to excel at it without ANY proof whatsoever.

.

To inform you about your beloved Democrats and beloved PM. Under HIS ruling and ruling of democrats, happened so"democratic"thing. It was discovered in Thailand. HUMAN TRAFFICKING and no one else but USA blame it and put Thailand on watching list about human trafficking. Democracy?

Don't make me laugh with your comments here anymore, please. Jolly man you are.

That still is going on, do you know?

Do you want i find for you some article, again?

[whybother]

Between Liberal International's response to Amsterdam's "Black Paper" and its inappropriate referencing... and the hypocrisy of Amsterdam's legal beagles in regards to Thaksin's Drug War slaughter... and that the President of Liberal International was just here in Thailand meeting with Abhisit, the prospects for anything to develop from Amsterdam's latest feeble smear attempt will fail like his others...

Another wasted effort from Thaksin's wallet

During his visit to Thailand, the President of Liberal International (LI) Hans van Baalen MEP was received by the Thai Prime Minister and Leader of the LI full member Democrat Party Abhisit Vejjajiva.

They discussed the current political developments in Thailand and in the region.

Liberal International Newsletter (Issue 215) - January 14, 2011

Yes, you are brilliant in twisting things, in trying to make upside-down the facts. But that is just your trying and frankly, your waste of time.

You can not convince anyone that this visit was affirmative for democrats. Anyone who is rational, will not accept this your try. It is more than obvious the visit was not on the purpose of encouraging the Democrats to pursue their vision of the exercise of democracy.

This visit was not to support democrats in their"measures" and further handling situations like they did it.

Visit had the character of the expression of interest and concern that one Democrat Party, full member of IL organizations, uses draconian measures in resolving the protest.

That was the real purpose of visit. Not as you are trying to fool people here, that it was affirmative for Democrats.

<snip>

No, YOU are the one who MUST to show here to all of us that visit was affirmative for the Democrats. . Your post has that intention so you have to do it.

We are waiting your proof, some transcript of the meeting perhaps.

If you don't give us proof, please spare us of your rantings in glorifying them(without reason if you ask me).

By the way no ANY Democrat Party in history of human kind,politic, didn't use weapons and killings to stop protests.

So?

That's just funny. "please spare us of your rantings"

What I would like to see is where Buchholz said the "visit was affirmative for the Democrats."

Then, seeing as you said "This visit was not to support democrats", "Visit had the character ... ", "That was the real purpose of visit." ... you must have some source for those statements.

[Thai at Heart]

The most suprising thing about this is that the Democrats are considered 'Liberal'.

I presume they joined when they were the only long term established party without a former solider as a leader or the other political option on the table was a military government.

Maybe it won't be long until the Democrat party to turn up on one of Glen Beck's chalk board as part of the "conspiracy". LOL

Edited February 14, 2011 by Thai at Heart

[Buchholz]

news quote from OP:

Dr Buranaj revealed that the committee of the Liberal International expressed concerns over the content in the White Paper which also refers to the Monarchy; the statement which the committee said could lead to misunderstanding. He further added that Mr. Amsterdam’s legal team also consisting of those who had criticized against the drug eradication scheme by Mr. Thaksin’s administration which saw over 2,500 people killed and called it a crime against humanity.

Unquote.

Between Liberal International's response to Amsterdam's "Black Paper" and its inappropriate referencing... and the hypocrisy of Amsterdam's legal beagles in regards to Thaksin's Drug War slaughter... and that the President of Liberal International was just here in Thailand meeting with Abhisit, the prospects for anything to develop from Amsterdam's latest feeble smear attempt will fail like his others...

Another wasted effort from Thaksin's wallet

During his visit to Thailand, the President of Liberal International (LI) Hans van Baalen MEP was received by the Thai Prime Minister and Leader of the LI full member Democrat Party Abhisit Vejjajiva.

They discussed the current political developments in Thailand and in the region.

Liberal International Newsletter (Issue 215) - January 14, 2011

Yes, you are brilliant in twisting things, in trying to make upside-down the facts. But that is just your trying and frankly, your waste of time.

You can not convince anyone that this visit was affirmative for democrats. Anyone who is rational, will not accept this your try. It is more than obvious the visit was not on the purpose of encouraging the Democrats to pursue their vision of the exercise of democracy.

This visit was not to support democrats in their"measures" and further handling situations like they did it.

Visit had the character of the expression of interest and concern that one Democrat Party, full member of IL organizations, uses draconian measures in resolving the protest.

That was the real purpose of visit. Not as you are trying to fool people here, that it was affirmative for Democrats.

Wonderful.

Do you have ANY factual evidence in the form of interviews, news articles, or ANY other concrete form, that ANY of what you're theorizing was the negative context of President van Baalen's visit to Thailand is actually true?

OR

is it merely your own imagined take on what you think MIGHT be the situation?

sheesh...talk about "twisting"... you seem to excel at it without ANY proof whatsoever.

No, YOU are the one who MUST to show here to all of us that visit was affirmative for the Democrats. . Your post has that intention so you have to do it.

We are waiting your proof, some transcript of the meeting perhaps.

If you don't give us proof, please spare us of your rantings in glorifying them(without reason if you ask me).

By the way no ANY Democrat Party in history of human kind,politic, didn't use weapons and killings to stop protests.

So?

1. The reference in their newsletter to "LI full member Democrat Party", and not "under consideration for removal from LI" or "on probation LI member" or "being investigated LI member" or "suspended LI member."

2. Their discussion of current political issues affecting Thailand without any condemnation or shortcomings or dissatisfaction upon conclusion of these talks as per the LI newsletter.

3. Their mutual desire to finding a solution on the subject of Burma with their mutual agreement that any solution must entail permanent freedom for Aung San Suu Kyi.

4. How about you? Have you come up with anything negative regarding the LI visit?

5. Do you have any comments regarding LI's take on Amsterdam's "Black Paper" or Thaksin's Drug War as mentioned in the OP?

6. I'll take your use of double negatives in your last 2 sentences to mean that you DO acknowledge that any number of other countries have battled with armed combatants that also resulted in deaths on both sides.

p.s. It'd be really nice if you could respond as well with at least a modicum of civility for a discussion, eg. there's no need to label others' posts as "ranting"

.

Edited February 14, 2011 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

To inform you about your beloved Democrats and beloved PM. Under HIS ruling and ruling of democrats, happened so"democratic"thing. It was discovered in Thailand. HUMAN TRAFFICKING and no one else but USA blame it and put Thailand on watching list about human trafficking. Democracy?

Don't make me laugh with your comments here anymore, please. Jolly man you are.

That still is going on, do you know?

Do you want i find for you some article, again?

I'd like to read anything that you may wish to post regarding the Liberal International issues that are the topic of the OP.

Human trafficking is a global problem affecting many countries, but I don't see how it fits in necessarily with the thread's topic, but then perhaps if you can further elucidate your connecting it, then please feel free to do so.

Thank you for calling me jolly as I prescribe to the notion that that is a favorable trait. It's certainly more desirable than being sour.

[TAWP]

The most suprising thing about this is that the Democrats are considered 'Liberal'.

I presume they joined when they were the only long term established party without a former solider as a leader or the other political option on the table was a military government.

Maybe it won't be long until the Democrat party to turn up on one of Glen Beck's chalk board as part of the "conspiracy". LOL

Don't confuse Liberal and American Liberal -- those terms are not the same.

[Thai at Heart]

The most suprising thing about this is that the Democrats are considered 'Liberal'.

I presume they joined when they were the only long term established party without a former solider as a leader or the other political option on the table was a military government.

Maybe it won't be long until the Democrat party to turn up on one of Glen Beck's chalk board as part of the "conspiracy". LOL

Don't confuse Liberal and American Liberal -- those terms are not the same.

By any standards, I am still surprised that the "Thai" Dems are considered liberal.

As for me confusing it, when it comes to Glen Beck'c chalk board, if it has the word Liberal attached, it's a duck; even if it "woofs".

[phiphidon]

I'd like to read anything that you may wish to post regarding the Liberal International issues that are the topic of the OP.

Human trafficking is a global problem affecting many countries, but I don't see how it fits in necessarily with the thread's topic, but then perhaps if you can further elucidate your connecting it, then please feel free to do so.

Thank you for calling me jolly as I prescribe to the notion that that is a favorable trait. It's certainly more desirable than being sour.

We only have the Democrat Spokesperson, Dr Buranaj word for it that the LI Committee expressed concerns over the content of Amsterdams White Paper. He then adds comments about the Thaksin "war on drugs", note that's Dr. Buranaj, not the LI committee. In fact the LI Newsletters mention nothing about Amsterdams White Paper or the war on drugs. LI Newsletter 215 comments that the LI President met with Abhisit and Kasit. The meeting with Abhisit discussed current political developments in Thailand and the Region, in particular Burma.

The newsletter then states that talks were held between the LI President and the Thai FM Kasit ;

The discussions between the Thai Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya and the LI President resulted in an understanding that the Thai government would conduct "a more pro active information policy in which current developments in Thailand, the role of opposition forces, human rights and civil liberties, the 2011Government Policy Manifesto and the roadmap for the general elections mid 2011 will be communicated to governments and parliaments abroad and within Liberal International more effectively".

Furthermore the LI President issued this statement

The Liberal International Bureau is closely monitoring the situation in Thailand in the wake of the information received challenging the credentials of the Democrat Party of Thailand, as well as the Thai government. The Bureau has charged the Secretariat to provide further information based on directmeetings with all sides concerned, an analysis of the reports of the international Human Rights organizations, and opinions of NGOs and diplomatic missions in Thailand.

The Bureau expresses concern about allegations against its Thai full member party, the Democrat Party. At the same time,the Bureau expresses support to Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and the leadership of the Democrat Party in overcoming these challenges, and stands ready to assist our Thai colleagues in the implementation of the5-point reconciliation plan, as well as the necessary democratization of the Thai legislative framework and in strengthening the Human Rights protection mechanism. We welcome the most recent statement of the SecretaryGeneral of Amnesty International Salil Shetty who expressed

appreciation "…for the leading role played by the Kingdom [of Thailand] in promoting ASEAN's human rights agenda" and encourage the government to show further progress in this regard.

As President of Liberal International I will pay a visit to Thailand in the coming weeks for high-level meetings to assess the situation in the country. The Bureau will continue toclosely monitor the developments in Thailand aiming at providing further information to the member parties.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

[animatic]

It amazes me that so many here are willing to twist the story to their own ends, when nothing in this story is more than Amsterdams smeer attempt, and a post visit photo op with Lib-Int head, and some other peoples spin laid on top.

Always curious to note these smeer attempts always seem to bring certain posters out to support them with the same tactics.

Amsterdam is trying anything he can to make the Dems look bad, and so he saw an opportunity where an NGO didn't rake them over the coals, and tried to turn it into a a good scourging. Seems some certain others here 'for whatever reasons' seem to follow his lead, and skew minuscule facts into bigger innuendo, using things not in the story to attempt point making and tangenting the OP into other directions.

[Thai at Heart]

It amazes me that so many here are willing to twist the story to their own ends, when nothing in this story is more than Amsterdams smeer attempt, and a post visit photo op with Lib-Int head, and some other peoples spin laid on top.

Always curious to note these smeer attempts always seem to bring certain posters out to support them with the same tactics.

Amsterdam is trying anything he can to make the Dems look bad, and so he saw an opportunity where an NGO didn't rake them over the coals, and tried to turn it into a a good scourging. Seems some certain others here 'for whatever reasons' seem to follow his lead, and skew minuscule facts into bigger innuendo, using things not in the story to attempt point making and tangenting the OP into other directions.

No one politics was a clean business, least of all in this part of the world.

The Dems will survive all of this petty nonsense. In fact, as they say, "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger". I enjoy seeing any political party in this country being subjected to public scrutiny. Shame it takes a snake like Amsterdam to shine a light on any of it. Abhisit meets with the head of "LI", and not a peep of it in the papers. Not that I had even heard of the organisation at all in my life.

Although that is probably because the Liberal Party in the UK hasn't done anything meaningful for 40 years until recently

[phiphidon]

It amazes me that so many here are willing to twist the story to their own ends, when nothing in this story is more than Amsterdams smeer attempt, and a post visit photo op with Lib-Int head, and some other peoples spin laid on top.

Always curious to note these smeer attempts always seem to bring certain posters out to support them with the same tactics.

Amsterdam is trying anything he can to make the Dems look bad, and so he saw an opportunity where an NGO didn't rake them over the coals, and tried to turn it into a a good scourging. Seems some certain others here 'for whatever reasons' seem to follow his lead, and skew minuscule facts into bigger innuendo, using things not in the story to attempt point making and tangenting the OP into other directions.

Until I see the Liberal International committee make a public statement that they

"expressed concerns over the content in the White Paper which also refers to the Monarchy; the statement which the committee said could lead to misunderstanding"

I will continue to take the spokesman of the Democratic Parties' words as hearsay.

As it is Liberty International will revisit Thailand to assess the situation in the country. They have offered to "assist our Thai colleagues in the implementation of the 5-point reconciliation plan, as well as the necessary democratization of the Thai legislative framework and in strengthening the Human Rights protection mechanism".

These statements are not smears or minuscle facts but are in fact real concerns to Liberty International and should be to the Thai government.

[animatic]

It amazes me that so many here are willing to twist the story to their own ends, when nothing in this story is more than Amsterdams smeer attempt, and a post visit photo op with Lib-Int head, and some other peoples spin laid on top.

Always curious to note these smeer attempts always seem to bring certain posters out to support them with the same tactics.

Amsterdam is trying anything he can to make the Dems look bad, and so he saw an opportunity where an NGO didn't rake them over the coals, and tried to turn it into a a good scourging. Seems some certain others here 'for whatever reasons' seem to follow his lead, and skew minuscule facts into bigger innuendo, using things not in the story to attempt point making and tangenting the OP into other directions.

Until I see the Liberal International committee make a public statement that they

"expressed concerns over the content in the White Paper which also refers to the Monarchy; the statement which the committee said could lead to misunderstanding"

I will continue to take the spokesman of the Democratic Parties' words as hearsay.

As it is Liberty International will revisit Thailand to assess the situation in the country. They have offered to "assist our Thai colleagues in the implementation of the 5-point reconciliation plan, as well as the necessary democratization of the Thai legislative framework and in strengthening the Human Rights protection mechanism".

These statements are not smears or minuscle facts but are in fact real concerns to Liberty International and should be to the Thai government.

You miss read me.

[stepenwolf1958]

That's just funny. "please spare us of your rantings"

What I would like to see is where Buchholz said the "visit was affirmative for the Democrats."

Then, seeing as you said "This visit was not to support democrats", "Visit had the character ... ", "That was the real purpose of visit." ... you must have some source for those statements.

He didn't say that directly but it was obvious from his comment, his way of talk about it, his accents in his talk, bold words, whole vocabulary. He opposed to that basic post and that is how i saw. By the way, visit of that kind can be just in 2 reasons. To support or to criticize. There is no any third reason. As i know what Democrats recently are doing, it is far from standards what some Democrat party must to have in acting in politic-i can assume what kind of visit that was.

About my source for such my statement. Yes, i have some friends who are MP, both sides, but i didn't need them for any of my thought. I have enough experience in life, in this kind of things, so i have ways to make my own opinion. I don't need anyone to wash my brain.

[stepenwolf1958]

It amazes me that so many here are willing to twist the story to their own ends, when nothing in this story is more than Amsterdams smeer attempt, and a post visit photo op with Lib-Int head, and some other peoples spin laid on top.

Always curious to note these smeer attempts always seem to bring certain posters out to support them with the same tactics.

Amsterdam is trying anything he can to make the Dems look bad, and so he saw an opportunity where an NGO didn't rake them over the coals, and tried to turn it into a a good scourging. Seems some certain others here 'for whatever reasons' seem to follow his lead, and skew minuscule facts into bigger innuendo, using things not in the story to attempt point making and tangenting the OP into other directions.

Until I see the Liberal International committee make a public statement that they

"expressed concerns over the content in the White Paper which also refers to the Monarchy; the statement which the committee said could lead to misunderstanding"

I will continue to take the spokesman of the Democratic Parties' words as hearsay.

As it is Liberty International will revisit Thailand to assess the situation in the country. They have offered to "assist our Thai colleagues in the implementation of the 5-point reconciliation plan, as well as the necessary democratization of the Thai legislative framework and in strengthening the Human Rights protection mechanism".

These statements are not smears or minuscle facts but are in fact real concerns to Liberty International and should be to the Thai government.

Thanks Phiphidon, this will wake up some hot-heads here, fan of Democrats and perhaps make them be realistic in their postings here.

[stepenwolf1958]

So, nothing then; it was just all in stepenwolf1958's imagination, then.

Thanks.

Bucholz, things i am saying are not my imagination. Time will show you.

[Buchholz]

So, nothing then; it was just all in stepenwolf1958's imagination, then.

Thanks.

Bucholz, things i am saying are not my imagination. Time will show you.

Ok, in the meantime, I'll just wait for your imagination to catch up to reality.

[whybother]

That's just funny. "please spare us of your rantings"

What I would like to see is where Buchholz said the "visit was affirmative for the Democrats."

Then, seeing as you said "This visit was not to support democrats", "Visit had the character ... ", "That was the real purpose of visit." ... you must have some source for those statements.

He didn't say that directly but it was obvious from his comment, his way of talk about it, his accents in his talk, bold words, whole vocabulary. He opposed to that basic post and that is how i saw. By the way, visit of that kind can be just in 2 reasons. To support or to criticize. There is no any third reason. As i know what Democrats recently are doing, it is far from standards what some Democrat party must to have in acting in politic-i can assume what kind of visit that was.

About my source for such my statement. Yes, i have some friends who are MP, both sides, but i didn't need them for any of my thought. I have enough experience in life, in this kind of things, so i have ways to make my own opinion. I don't need anyone to wash my brain.

Yes, there are two possible reasons for the visit. Buchholz implied that RA was going on another wild goose chase (ie from facts that everything RA has tried so far hasn't come to anything). But you KNOW the real purpose of the visit.

Ofcourse there could be a third reason for the visit - to find out information without supporting or criticizing.

Whatever the reason, it appears that RA is only going after the Democrats with LI because they were in the news about the visit.

But, IMO, RA's efforts will come to nothing, except to charge a few more hours to Thaksin.

[phiphidon]

Yes, there are two possible reasons for the visit. Buchholz implied that RA was going on another wild goose chase (ie from facts that everything RA has tried so far hasn't come to anything). But you KNOW the real purpose of the visit.

Ofcourse there could be a third reason for the visit - to find out information without supporting or criticizing.

Whatever the reason, it appears that RA is only going after the Democrats with LI because they were in the news about the visit.

But, IMO, RA's efforts will come to nothing, except to charge a few more hours to Thaksin.

"Whatever the reason, it appears that RA is only going after the Democrats with LI because they were in the news about the visit".

Well there is a bit of a problem there. Abhisit meeting the President of Liberal International wasn't in the news, at least not the english language thai news, I can't speak for the thai language news sources, I'm sure someone can help there. The only reason we got to hear of it was as the result of the response of the Democrat party spokesman to the Amsterdam open letter to the President of LI. Amsterdam was being proactive rather than reactive, as you and others say appears to be the case.

A result of this, as of other other publications by Amsterdam, has been the discussion by members of this forum of the content. I firmly believe that a certain number of English speaking Thais (who knows how many, or their demographic) have also discussed Mr Amsterdams publications. This in addition to their diet of other information sources, whatever they may be, can form or even sway opinion. In that case I would say that Amsterdams efforts have not "come to nothing" but have added to the ongoing debate, particularly in an election year.

(Edit) I'm not sure whether Amsterdams publications are translated to Thai, obviously a missed opportunity if they are not.

Edited February 15, 2011 by phiphidon