Several Bombs Explodes In Bali Tourist Areas

[bajajvivek]

Sorry but I must say a few words.  Anyone calling the bombing of Hiroshima a terrorist act must have a very damaged brain beyond repair.  Do you even know where it is?  Have you ever heard of WWII????  I'd suppose you would want to jail the people involved in the causing of Hitler's death????

I was going to say take your pills and go to bed but realize it might be a bit rude.

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What would you call the bombing of Hiroshima? Was it brave? Was it justified? Would you have been dancing in the streets celebrating the death of over 100,000 people? It may not be in the same category as terrorism but it's dispicable nonetheless and should never again be repeated - unfortunately no-one has learnt from such an act and today the killing of innocents actually continues by Muslims and non-Muslims alike - but of course the non-Muslims are always excused because they are always justified in these acts...

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Zaz,

Please ask those questions to the people who suffered from the Japanese invasion.

Do you actually know what they did in China?

If someone is trying to kill you, and you have a gun. Do you use it?

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and what about all the people killed in British/French/Portugese colonies before WWII??? If you ask a young Brit about there colonies they say they owned these countries!! Were the people of these countries commodities?

Al-Quiada is the child of US. They were the ones who gave them weapons to break Russia.

If some people think that giving these fanatics what they ask for is going to solve any problems then look at the countries which have done them. Holland/India/Indonesia/Nepal.

And forget being neutral. if you are not aginst them, you are with them. This world is your home and you can't say you do not want to be a part of all this. You are already a part of it.

[Jai Dee]

THAILAND CONDEMNS "INHUMANE" BALI BLASTS

Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra today condemned the deadly bombings on the Indonesian resort island of Bali as an "inhumane act of terrorism".

In a letter to Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, Prime Minister Thaksin said he was deeply shocked and outraged by the terrorist bombings in Bali yesterday. The Royal Thai Government strongly condemns this heinous and inhumane act of terrorism.

On behalf of the Government and the people of Thailand, Prime Minister Thaksin extended his deepest sympathy to the bereaved families who lost their loved ones and expressed hope for speedy recovery for the injured.

The letter also said Thailand reaffirms its solidarity with Indonesia in their common goal to combat terrorism. At least 26 people were killed and more than 100 were injured when the bomb exploded on Saturday evening.

Source: thaisnews.com ประจำวันอาทิตย์ที่ 2 ตุลาคม 2548

[dr_Pat_Pong]

if you are not against them ... you are with them ... and so sayeth Dubya

[Scott]

A quote from someone (I don't remember who), that applies to acts such as have happened in Bali:

"There will always be good people doing good things and there will always be bad people doing bad things, but it takes religion to make good people do bad things."

I lived for a number of years in the Middle East and saw my share of bombings and victims--all Muslim on Muslim, but usually for political purposes. The situation is complex there and difficult to understand.

It may be an oversimplification, but these terrorists and fanatics have an agenda. They want to create a pan-Muslim area. Those countries where a significant number of Muslim's live, should be ruled under Sharia law. Anyone who doesn't agree--and that includes the gov'ts of many of these countries--need to be destroyed/defeated.

Bali is an excellent target, since the Island is predominately Hindu and thus is not as upsetting to the Muslim majority of the country.

Within the many terrorist organizations, there are different agendas, including which brand of Islam is correct etc. Thus it's very difficult to carry on a dialogue or find out what any particular group wants. This is especially true when they want you, your religion and your government defeated.

[dvk1951]

If the muslims don't want to carry the burden of other peoples prejudice then they should be more vocal of their condemnation of these acts and be seen to make a maximum effort to put their house in order. Some people are going to be prejudice and these terrorists are reinforcing this over and over again; if ordinary muslims are against this I don't see much being done about it.

If the muslim population wants to prove that they can live in harmony with the rest of the world, then there has to be a big effort on their part to sort the situation out. Days of portraying themselves as the underdog are over, they have clearly defined themselves as the aggressor without reason, emotion or explanation.

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My thoughts as well.

One has to wonder why the tide of internal activity is not more visible. There have been some 'rumbling' coming out of the more conservative factions but IMO is stll not enough.

Perhaps they do not perceive things as being 'as bad' as we do? Perhaps any form of Islam is perceived as better than no Islam.

As long as the 'mind bending' continues, the problem will persist.

[Wellington]

Another causuatly of the American and Bush foreigner policies.

Mission acomplished

People will never learn

Thanks Mr Bush for making this world a more dangerous place 

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"Another causuatly " Wake up! They were at this long before Bush was even in power....

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It's pointless to point out this obvious truth to dimwits like Butterflyman because they fail to understand the true nature of Al Quaeda and its offshoots.The bombing of embassies in Africa and 9/11 itself long predates Bush's foreign policy adventures (and I speak as one very critical of the Iraq war).

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Another idiot who think bringing more guns will resolve terrorism. Stay in your village and watch Oprah.

Bush disastrous foreigner policies are the reasons why we are witnessing more spectacular terrorism acts these days.

911 happened because Bush 1 (and Clinton) and Bush 2 were told to get out of SA but they didn't. They were warned several times but they didn't listen. I guess they got the message after 911 because US troops have left that base in Ryad since.

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You are an illiterate turdburger Butterfly, and obviusly deprived of any form or comprehensive schooling from an early age. Wake up

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Getting a bit schoolboyish;why don't you moderate your language and make useful not oafish comments?

[meemiathai]

If the muslims don't want to carry the burden of other peoples prejudice then they should be more vocal of their condemnation of these acts and be seen to make a maximum effort to put their house in order. Some people are going to be prejudice and these terrorists are reinforcing this over and over again; if ordinary muslims are against this I don't see much being done about it.

If the muslim population wants to prove that they can live in harmony with the rest of the world, then there has to be a big effort on their part to sort the situation out. Days of portraying themselves as the underdog are over, they have clearly defined themselves as the aggressor without reason, emotion or explanation.

My thoughts as well.

One has to wonder why the tide of internal activity is not more visible. There have been some 'rumbling' coming out of the more conservative factions but IMO is stll not enough.

Perhaps they do not perceive things as being 'as bad' as we do? Perhaps any form of Islam is perceived as better than no Islam.

As long as the 'mind bending' continues, the problem will persist.

So are mine.

[stiggy]

Hello Craig.

Nice to hear of another half blood in the kingdom,

Canadian indian my self.

Do not hate the cowboys or the Americans in Genral..........Found the attitudes to wards my family quite disturbing.Still next time ill scalp the gits.

As for the Muslims generally just as horrified as the rest of the world at these cowardly bast????//s.

In a way feel for the extended familys of the bombers to...To have a relative absorbed and twisted to the point of giving there life,Is just plain wrong and must leave the whole family unit labeled as supporting the cause.

My heart goes to ALL affected by this action,

I know some people here will knee jerk a reply and I expect some abuse.

so in Advance save your time and energy.

regards

[cmsally]

Found this very good article which expands on what I and some other people have been saying. Basically, that if Muslims don't want to be the object of prejudice, then do something about it, at this stage it has to be something on the scale of enormous.

Quote Sunday Independent

People are basically fed up with having to make allowances for these people - it's time they learned the words assymilation and compromise.

[taxexile]

thats a good article and i've copied it here.

Time to stop pussyfooting around Muslims  

A STRIKING image from a grim week for news came on Thursday. Among the coverage of people standing silently at midday to remember the London dead was a shot from Nottingham of a row of hijab-wearing girls carrying banners saying 'Not In My Name'.

It's a start that some Muslims are publicly dissociating themselves from their religion's murderous fringe, but a few gestures by small groups and hand-wringing from moderate spokesmen are no more than a small step in what will be a long, long journey.

What was required was massive Muslim demonstrations throughout the country protesting about the evil committed in the name of Islam. But that is not yet the Muslim way. Indulged by myopic multiculturalists, all too many British Muslims are still averting their eyes and ears from what is being done by the wicked in their midst, blaming the actions of their terrorists on Iraq, Israel or the Crusades and through cowardice, ignorance or prejudice, refusing to face the fact that Islam has to be rescued from its fascists by its own believers.

The man in the British street has had it up to here over the past 10 days with well-meaning liberals bleating about the peace-loving nature of Islam.

Deputy assistant commissioner Brian Paddick won first prize with his bizarre statement that "Islam and terrorism don't go together". What's next, Brian? Irish republicanism and criminality are unrelated. Or, loyalism and drug-dealing are foreign concepts.

It's time for the truth. Yes, most religions have some dangerous fundamentalist adherents, but Islam has them in enormous numbers. Islamists make brutal rulers. Ask Nigerian Christians who are fleeing the states where Islamic law has been imposed, or Saudi Arabian women forbidden such basic freedoms as driving a car or voting, or the mother of Theo Van Gogh, who the other day listened in an Amsterdam court to her son's murderer explaining to her that he couldn't feel for her because she was "a non-believer".

No other serious world religion has a substantial membership that considers all those outside their sect as infidels worthy of death.

Our own republican fundamentalists can no longer successfully terrorise those outside their own community because nationalists have finally wised up. There is no longer what the world's biggest mass murderer, Mao Tse-tung, famously spoke of as the "sea in which guerrillas fighters must swim like fish". All that's left is a dirty little puddle - although we still need to keep a wary eye on those trying to turn on the tap.

Islamic terrorists, however, have an ocean. What should the British be doing to help drain it?

Stop pussyfooting, for a start. It's time British Muslims were told unequivocally that they have responsibilities as well as rights.

Instead of endlessly kowtowing to minority opinion (a law against incitement to religious hatred presently going through parliament will ban us from being rude about any religion - even Satanism), immigrants should be required to learn English, accept British values and salute the flag. If they don't want to do that, what are they doing here?

Like many Irish in places such as Kilburn, there are innumerable Pakistanis in British cities (who provided three of the London bombers) who feel an intense loyalty to their old country and none to the new. Congregated in 'little Pakistans' in major British cities, they have imported imams as well as spouses from home and have kept themselves to themselves. Even though many of that generation were hard-working and law-abiding, they often lacked clear values to hand to their children.

The second and third generations went to schools where no one taught them pride in British history and culture and attended mosques where services were conducted by rural Pakistani preachers who knew nothing of Western youth.

Contentious subjects were ignored and confused young men became prey to local Islamists promising them certainty, purpose, martyrdom and a Paradise with willing virgins; visits to Islamist websites or even Pakistani madrassas completed the radicalisation.

In an alarming poll last winter, 57 per cent of Muslims disapproved of the requirement for new citizens to swear allegiance to the crown, 22 per cent saw a significant contradiction between Islamic values and being a good British citizen and 11 per cent thought it acceptable for religious or political groups to use violence for political ends.

The only good news was that 69 per cent agreed that Muslims should inform on people connected with terrorism.

Amir Khan, the 18-year-old British boxer and Olympic silver medallist, last week expressed his disgust at the bombings, told the 'What was required were massive Muslim demonstrations throughout the country protesting about the evil committed in the name of Islam'

Muslim youth to whom he is a hero that he was proud of his Britishness as well as his Pakistan heritage and urged British Asians to help the police.

The message that you owe loyalty to your country, that terrorism is unequivocally wrong and that the London bombers were criminals, not martyrs, needs to be shouted loudly by Muslims from the mosque tops.

Ruth Dudley Edwards

and to paraphrase it , bluntly and with little eloquence

if muslims cannot clean their own house then outside cleaners will have to be brought in , forcibly if necessary , to do the job , for however long it takes.

because the dirt and filth and violence and hatred spread by those who do the muslim religion great injustice is now polluting the rest of the world and WE DONT FCKING WANT IT IN OUR BACKYARDS ANYMORE .

in either london , madrid , new york , thailand or bali.

Edited October 3, 2005 by taxexile

[dr_Pat_Pong]

thats a good article and i've copied it here.

Time to stop pussyfooting around Muslims  

A STRIKING image from a grim week for news came on Thursday. Among the coverage of people standing silently at midday to remember the London dead was a shot from Nottingham of a row of hijab-wearing girls carrying banners saying 'Not In My Name'.

It's a start that some Muslims are publicly dissociating themselves from their religion's murderous fringe, but a few gestures by small groups and hand-wringing from moderate spokesmen are no more than a small step in what will be a long, long journey.

What was required was massive Muslim demonstrations throughout the country protesting about the evil committed in the name of Islam. But that is not yet the Muslim way. Indulged by myopic multiculturalists, all too many British Muslims are still averting their eyes and ears from what is being done by the wicked in their midst, blaming the actions of their terrorists on Iraq, Israel or the Crusades and through cowardice, ignorance or prejudice, refusing to face the fact that Islam has to be rescued from its fascists by its own believers.

The man in the British street has had it up to here over the past 10 days with well-meaning liberals bleating about the peace-loving nature of Islam.

Deputy assistant commissioner Brian Paddick won first prize with his bizarre statement that "Islam and terrorism don't go together". What's next, Brian? Irish republicanism and criminality are unrelated. Or, loyalism and drug-dealing are foreign concepts.

It's time for the truth. Yes, most religions have some dangerous fundamentalist adherents, but Islam has them in enormous numbers. Islamists make brutal rulers. Ask Nigerian Christians who are fleeing the states where Islamic law has been imposed, or Saudi Arabian women forbidden such basic freedoms as driving a car or voting, or the mother of Theo Van Gogh, who the other day listened in an Amsterdam court to her son's murderer explaining to her that he couldn't feel for her because she was "a non-believer".

No other serious world religion has a substantial membership that considers all those outside their sect as infidels worthy of death.

Our own republican fundamentalists can no longer successfully terrorise those outside their own community because nationalists have finally wised up. There is no longer what the world's biggest mass murderer, Mao Tse-tung, famously spoke of as the "sea in which guerrillas fighters must swim like fish". All that's left is a dirty little puddle - although we still need to keep a wary eye on those trying to turn on the tap.

Islamic terrorists, however, have an ocean. What should the British be doing to help drain it?

Stop pussyfooting, for a start. It's time British Muslims were told unequivocally that they have responsibilities as well as rights.

Instead of endlessly kowtowing to minority opinion (a law against incitement to religious hatred presently going through parliament will ban us from being rude about any religion - even Satanism), immigrants should be required to learn English, accept British values and salute the flag. If they don't want to do that, what are they doing here?

Like many Irish in places such as Kilburn, there are innumerable Pakistanis in British cities (who provided three of the London bombers) who feel an intense loyalty to their old country and none to the new. Congregated in 'little Pakistans' in major British cities, they have imported imams as well as spouses from home and have kept themselves to themselves. Even though many of that generation were hard-working and law-abiding, they often lacked clear values to hand to their children.

The second and third generations went to schools where no one taught them pride in British history and culture and attended mosques where services were conducted by rural Pakistani preachers who knew nothing of Western youth.

Contentious subjects were ignored and confused young men became prey to local Islamists promising them certainty, purpose, martyrdom and a Paradise with willing virgins; visits to Islamist websites or even Pakistani madrassas completed the radicalisation.

In an alarming poll last winter, 57 per cent of Muslims disapproved of the requirement for new citizens to swear allegiance to the crown, 22 per cent saw a significant contradiction between Islamic values and being a good British citizen and 11 per cent thought it acceptable for religious or political groups to use violence for political ends.

The only good news was that 69 per cent agreed that Muslims should inform on people connected with terrorism.

Amir Khan, the 18-year-old British boxer and Olympic silver medallist, last week expressed his disgust at the bombings, told the 'What was required were massive Muslim demonstrations throughout the country protesting about the evil committed in the name of Islam'

Muslim youth to whom he is a hero that he was proud of his Britishness as well as his Pakistan heritage and urged British Asians to help the police.

The message that you owe loyalty to your country, that terrorism is unequivocally wrong and that the London bombers were criminals, not martyrs, needs to be shouted loudly by Muslims from the mosque tops.

Ruth Dudley Edwards

and to paraphrase it , bluntly and with little eloquence

if muslims cannot clean their own house then outside cleaners will have to be brought in , forcibly if necessary , to do the job , for however long it takes.

because the dirt and filth and violence and hatred spread by those who do the muslim religion great injustice is now polluting the rest of the world and WE DONT FCKING WANT IT IN OUR BACKYARDS ANYMORE .

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Can't argue Tax.

[The_Moog]

and to paraphrase it , bluntly and with little eloquence

if muslims cannot clean their own house then outside cleaners will have to be brought in , forcibly if necessary , to do the job , for however long it takes.

Doesn't say this at all. Your attempt to paraphrase is slanted towards advocating your own opinion.

Yes, it says that they should 'clean their own house'. Nothing though about others doing it for them by force. No crush-crush-crush.

Un-paraphrased, this is an intelligent article.

How are you contributing to the war on terror? Judging by your handle, you're not contributing any tax to it ! Presumably other taxpayers should pay, right?!

Edited October 3, 2005 by The_Moog

[taxexile]

Ying tong, ying tong, ying tong, ying tong, ying tong iddle-i-po.

[udon]

A good piece.

Just change the town and city names and you have the same situation in Aus.

They refuse to assimilate and by wearing their Islamic dress it appears to say, look at us, we will take over one day.

There will be a backlash here one day........ Soon.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

A good piece.

Just change the town and city names and you have the same situation in Aus.

They refuse to assimilate and by wearing their Islamic dress it appears to say, look at us, we will take over one day.

There will be a backlash here one day........ Soon.

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In many ways SOON is here. If that is what they want, Ox should provide a free SINGLE trip back to Sandland ( no returns ) Package deals for families no extra.

[Kerryd]

In many ways SOON is here. If that is what they want, Ox should provide a free SINGLE trip back to Sandland ( no returns ) Package deals for families no extra.

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We've had this problem for years, mostly as a result of Liberal immigration policies. Studies have shown that most new immigrants will vote Liberal, at least when they are fresh to the country. Therefore the Liberal government encourages immigration, especially from certain countries.

These new immigrants are NOT expected to become Canadian in any way. They do not have to learn either official language (French or English). They can bring an interpreter with them when it comes time for things like applying for a Driver's License.

One thing I have noticed though, is that the children/grandchildren of those immigrants are much better integrated. I've played ice-hockey on teams where I was sometimes the only white guy. In the dressing room and on the ice, everyone spoke English. If you closed your eyes, you'd never know you were in a room full of Chinese-Canadians.

Many of these terrorists acts are carried out by people who are NOT native to the country (the London bombings being a notable exception). In many cases, the bombers come from distant places (easier to blow up people you have no connection to, and aren't likey to have any relatives among the victims).

Some Muslims are beginning to stand up to these extremists. For example, the big demonstrations against terrorism that happened in Sharm el Shiek (Egypt) after the bombings there last July.

However, it seems the majority of Muslims, by their silence, actually condone these acts, as they are (usually) carried out in the name of Allah. To say otherwise would be to go against Allah, which most Muslims won't even consider. Hence the silence at the outrages that have occurred.

[zaz]

However, it seems the majority of Muslims, by their silence, actually condone these acts, as they are (usually) carried out in the name of Allah. To say otherwise would be to go against Allah, which most Muslims won't even consider. Hence the silence at the outrages that have occurred.

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That's complete rubbish.

[Kerryd]

However, it seems the majority of Muslims, by their silence, actually condone these acts, as they are (usually) carried out in the name of Allah. To say otherwise would be to go against Allah, which most Muslims won't even consider. Hence the silence at the outrages that have occurred.

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That's complete rubbish.

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Then explain why the vast majority of the outrage expressed over these acts (in Bali, Egypt, London, the US and other places), comes from Western (non-Muslims) sources, and virtually NOTHING is heard from members of the Muslim community ?

[zaz]

However, it seems the majority of Muslims, by their silence, actually condone these acts, as they are (usually) carried out in the name of Allah. To say otherwise would be to go against Allah, which most Muslims won't even consider. Hence the silence at the outrages that have occurred.

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That's complete rubbish.

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Then explain why the vast majority of the outrage expressed over these acts (in Bali, Egypt, London, the US and other places), comes from Western (non-Muslims) sources, and virtually NOTHING is heard from members of the Muslim community ?

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I wouldn't believe there hasn't been outrage within the Muslim community. And the way you think i.e. assumed silence = support for terror, is just plain stupid.

For what I represent, if anything, I am absolutely disgusted at the Bali bombings over the weekend and my sympathy goes out to everyone affected. I'm not saying this now that's under discussion, my shock and horror was a private affair as soon as I heard it, making it public and showing everyone "look at me I'm a Muslim and I want everyone to know I condemn this act of terror" wasn't something I'd thought of...

[Kerryd]

I wouldn't believe there hasn't been outrage within the Muslim community.  And the way you think i.e. assumed silence = support for terror, is just plain stupid.

For what I represent, if anything, I am absolutely disgusted at the Bali bombings over the weekend and my sympathy goes out to everyone affected.  I'm not saying this now that's under discussion, my shock and horror was a private affair as soon as I heard it, making it public and showing everyone "look at me I'm a Muslim and I want everyone to know I condemn this act of terror" wasn't something I'd thought of...

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But that is part of the problem. If everyone keeps it to themselves, the people commiting these outrages can (pretty) safely assume that even if they don't have the support of the majority of other Muslims, at least they aren't going to be condemned for their actions either.

If more people from the Muslim communities publicly expressed their displeasure at these terrorists (as the residents of Sharm el Shiek did), it would send a very strong message to the perpetrators that their actions are not approved of.

Keeping silent, especially if you are upset about these acts, sends the wrong message.

[meemiathai]

Zaz,sorry to get back on the war subjet again. Many atrocities have been committed by all , there are several books on the subject.

One book that has affected me deeply is one called THE RAPE OF NANKING.Give it a try, might change your attitude on the subject.

Also do an internet search on the word "731".

[zaz]

I wouldn't believe there hasn't been outrage within the Muslim community.  And the way you think i.e. assumed silence = support for terror, is just plain stupid.

For what I represent, if anything, I am absolutely disgusted at the Bali bombings over the weekend and my sympathy goes out to everyone affected.  I'm not saying this now that's under discussion, my shock and horror was a private affair as soon as I heard it, making it public and showing everyone "look at me I'm a Muslim and I want everyone to know I condemn this act of terror" wasn't something I'd thought of...

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But that is part of the problem. If everyone keeps it to themselves, the people commiting these outrages can (pretty) safely assume that even if they don't have the support of the majority of other Muslims, at least they aren't going to be condemned for their actions either.

If more people from the Muslim communities publicly expressed their displeasure at these terrorists (as the residents of Sharm el Shiek did), it would send a very strong message to the perpetrators that their actions are not approved of.

Keeping silent, especially if you are upset about these acts, sends the wrong message.

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Yes I guess you're right kerry.

[Cpt_M0ney_Sh0t]

Heh Moog right on point.... I would make a snyde remark about them but I am paid WAY to much to risk upseting the good folks here in the land of contracts

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I'm sorry but I'm going to have to bust your a** here.

Just what do you mean you're not going to 'accept that crap' in Thailand? You work for one of the worst corporations on the planet (cuz the money's good, oh, I guess that makes it ok). You're part of the problem in Iraq. You're part of the reason Muslim extremists hate so much. You are a parasite. Thailand ihas many Muslims, do you care about them? Or do you just like going there to spend your little share of the money American taxpayers are donating to the Halliburton cause?

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Ok, I know it has been a min since she made this post and I won't disrespect the lives of thouse lost in the recent Bali murders by defending my self against this miserable, scornfull woman. I will say only this, if you want to bash my carrer choice do it in personal email, not in a forum about something as tragic as this.

[Maejo Man]

Heh Moog right on point.... I would make a snyde remark about them but I am paid WAY to much to risk upseting the good folks here in the land of contracts

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I'm sorry but I'm going to have to bust your a** here.

Just what do you mean you're not going to 'accept that crap' in Thailand? You work for one of the worst corporations on the planet (cuz the money's good, oh, I guess that makes it ok). You're part of the problem in Iraq. You're part of the reason Muslim extremists hate so much. You are a parasite. Thailand ihas many Muslims, do you care about them? Or do you just like going there to spend your little share of the money American taxpayers are donating to the Halliburton cause?

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Ok, I know it has been a min since she made this post and I won't disrespect the lives of thouse lost in the recent Bali murders by defending my self against this miserable, scornfull woman. I will say only this, if you want to bash my carrer choice do it in personal email, not in a forum about something as tragic as this.

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Unfortunately you laid yourself wide open to both comment and criticism money shot when you posted personal details.

"I heard a HUGE explosion, probably a VBED (military acronym for Vehicle Born Explosive Device..car bomb)"

Why use an acronym when you had to spell it out anyway? Rambo syndrome?

"I won't accept that crap when I go to my beloved Thailand."

It's not your's and you won't get any say in the matter.

Man has been using bombs to decimate and injure his fellow man in the guise of religion, politics or just plain greed, for centuries. and unfortunately Bali will not be the end. It needs world condemnation, and muslims as a collective must start to take responsibility, and point some fingers, otherwise there will be no end to it.

[The_Moog]

One of the reasons for imposing a US$25 tourist visa in 2004 was to stop terrorists entering Indonesia.

Observers pointed out that they were already living there.

[udon]

Here ya go.....

The Militant Islam Monitor.....

[dr_Pat_Pong]

However, it seems the majority of Muslims, by their silence, actually condone these acts, as they are (usually) carried out in the name of Allah. To say otherwise would be to go against Allah, which most Muslims won't even consider. Hence the silence at the outrages that have occurred.

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That's complete rubbish.

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Then explain why the vast majority of the outrage expressed over these acts (in Bali, Egypt, London, the US and other places), comes from Western (non-Muslims) sources, and virtually NOTHING is heard from members of the Muslim community ?

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I wouldn't believe there hasn't been outrage within the Muslim community. And the way you think i.e. assumed silence = support for terror, is just plain stupid.

For what I represent, if anything, I am absolutely disgusted at the Bali bombings over the weekend and my sympathy goes out to everyone affected. I'm not saying this now that's under discussion, my shock and horror was a private affair as soon as I heard it, making it public and showing everyone "look at me I'm a Muslim and I want everyone to know I condemn this act of terror" wasn't something I'd thought of...

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How odd that you and other Muslims never even thought of it

[taxexile]

 

Peace-loving Balinese now demand vengeance for bombings

By Sebastien Berger in Jimbaran

(Filed: 04/10/2005)

Balinese chants rang out over the beach last night at a spiritual cleansing ceremony held yards from where suicide bombers devastated scores of lives at the weekend.

 

Incense smoke drifted over the heads of about 200 people and priests rang bells before offerings to the spirits of the dead were cast into the sea.

Outside a hand-drawn black banner summarised local feeling about the blasts, which killed 19 people in addition to the three bombers. To the left an angel cried, to the right a hanged man dangled above a fire. "May the lord forgive all of those innocent victims," it read. "Condemn the f****** terrorist."

The people of Bali are renowned for their outward calm, but with disaster threatening the tourist industry, they are now calling for vengeance.

"I want the suspects caught immediately, arrested, and executed," said Made Sunarta, 30, standing by the yellow police tape outside the Menega Café. "If there's a possibility to bring the suspects here, I would love to kill them myself.

"I don't want it to be like the last one," he added, referring to the 2002 explosions that killed 202 people and for which three bombers have been sentenced to death. "Until now they still haven't been executed."

Earlier hundreds of mourners gathered at the family compound of Gusti Ketut Sudana, 33, a waiter at the Raja restaurant in Kuta, for his funeral. "We were friends for eight years. We were like brother and sister," said Ni Komang Komo, 28, who also works at the restaurant. "I feel so sad about this. He was generous and kind, there are so many things to be sad about."

The bombers and their accomplices, she said, were "bastards", adding: "I hate them very much. If I see them I want to kill them straight away."

The dead man's brother, Gusti Made Suena, maintained his dignity at the ceremony. "I'm very, very sad," he said. "I don't like what they have done to all of us, not just my brother. The punishment for the bombers will be the law. I trust the law and the government to finish all this."

That may take time. Despite images of the bombers' severed heads being repeatedly broadcast on television across Indonesia, police said yesterday they had yet to receive a single identifying call from the public.[/COLOR]

Police could only issue more detailed descriptions of them and their estimated ages, all between 20 and 25, not their names.

Analysts believe that two fugitive members of Jemaah Islamiyah, the south-east Asian regional Islamist group linked to al-Qa'eda, were behind the blast. Police say more people must have been involved than the bombers alone, whose devices may have been set off by others.

Economically, Balinese fear that the blasts will resonate for years, with tourists fearing this second bombing demonstrates a pattern.

Hundreds of visitors have left early, travel agents are reporting huge numbers of cancellations, and Australia and South Korea have issued new travel warnings.

"It is very hard to recover," said Mr Sunarta, who lives in Jimbaran but works as a lifeguard in Kuta.

"The blast before, it took three years. It will be more time now, maybe 10 years or more."

Some foreigners on the island at least are determined to defy the threat of more terrorist bombs.

"If we give in to them by running away they have won the war. And they cannot win the war," said Richard Laidlaw, 60, a retired Anglo-Australian political adviser who has just moved to Bali.

"Nothing that's occurred in the last two days is going to change our minds," he added.

Others were less optimistic. Karen Sadler, a businesswoman, has invested £500,000 in a development on Bali. But she is considering pulling out. Ms Sadler, based in Perth, Australia, had a 25-strong group of friends visiting who were on Jimbaran beach at the time of the attack. One of them, a 16-year-old boy, was killed by the blast.

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Agreed Ice. No doubt some hardliners will call you naive for saying this, but if so, they could use a little naïvity themselves.

Muslims are not out to get you. A minority of hardliner religious fanatics are, and because of the ignorance and double standard displayed by hardliners on the side that claims to be moral, they get more people to their cause. quote

Most alcoholics have an enabler which allows them to remain alcoholics. Such it goes with Islam, which mainly turns a blind eye to the acts of terrorism by "extremists" . There is no huge outcry, no mass protests, just a quiet murmer if that.

Modern events that have been taking place since WW II are now laid at the step of America and its president, with the socialist cry of its all Bush's fault show a moral dishonesty and a lack of historial perspective, to basically cover up their own cowarice.

I listen to the Muslims cry give us what we want, and we'll live in peace. Fools that would give in would soon become second class citizens, and worse.

I've heard ( many friends in Ipoh) although Malaysia is less than half Islamic the other citizens (chinese, indian, malay) have a much harder time entering the best universities and slowly find being nonislamic harder. I think the Islamic population was under 40% when Islamic law became the law of the land, but many felt that their safety was worth the price. I wonder how they'll feel 20 years down the road when the tax on being nonislamic could be installed, although its not bandied about much publically, it's being mumbled in the mosques.

It seems that many on this list realize that this is WW III others wish to obscure that fact or simply deny it's occurring. However this is only the beginning, its going to be bloody and I fear that at the end many will wind up bending down to Allah and his pedophile prophet mohammed

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Bali bombing jail sentences cut

Ten Indonesians jailed in connection with two bomb attacks on the holiday island of Bali have had their sentences cut by up to five months.

Six people convicted over the nightclub bombings in 2002 which killed more than 200 people received five-month cuts.

Four others, jailed for attacks in 2005 that left 20 people dead, were given two-month reductions.

The cuts - an annual process to mark Independence Day - drew criticism from relatives of those who died.

Brian Deegan, whose son was one of 88 Australians killed in the 2002 blasts, attacked the decision.

"It's always unfortunate that, as we near the anniversary of that massacre in Bali, that we have received these reports of reduction in penalties," he said.

He said relatives of the victims would find the move "very, very difficult".

Good behaviour

The men had been convicted of crimes including helping to plan the bombings, sheltering suspects and setting up a website to support the attacks.

They had been serving sentences of between eight and 18 years.

"Remissions were given to the Bali bombing convicts because they displayed good behaviour," Ilham Djaya, chief warden of Bali's main prison, said.

Both Bali attacks have been blamed on regional Islamist militant group Jemaah Islamiah. Three men are currently on death row for their roles in the 2002 nightclub bombings.

Indonesia traditionally cuts the sentences of hundreds of prisoners on Independence Day.

Australian Renae Lawrence, one of the so-called Bali Nine convicted of smuggling heroin, received a three-month reduction to her 20-year sentence.

Friday, 17 August 2007,

From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6951125.stm

Note: The families of the 202 killed, who lost their loved ones, didn't get a reduction from their grieve period; that's for life...

LaoPo

Edited August 17, 2007 by LaoPo