Bedbug Toxin 'Likely' Cause Of Sarah Carter's Death

[Estrada]

... snip ... Whilst it would be extremely unlikely that one death would occur due to this substance especially with very short term exposure, the fact that there have been more deaths which have occured and that the deaths were fairly rapid does not fit the known toxicology effects of the Chemical Chloropyrifos. ... snip ... I am afraid that this is not a case solved, it is a case covered up. ... snip ...

Sawadee Khrup, Khun Estrada,

This is a very thoughtful critique of the current hypothesis of the cause of these multiple deaths: and that hypothesis could well be a "rush to judgement."

Hope you'll write a letter-to-the-editor of either the Bangkok Post or Nation conveying this analysis, and your reservations about the academic credentials of the investigator.

We live in Chiang Mai, and first thought came into our head, when we heard about the multiple fatalities all linked to that hotel, was the fact that the Anusarn Market seafood restaurant area is less than a hundred meters from that hotel, second thought was central air-con, but it has come out the rooms have individual air-con units, we believe.

thanks, ~o:37;

I commented on this to the Bangkok Post, I know the editor so I will take this up with him personally.

I was involved in the Staffordshire Hospital, Sheffield City Bus and the BBC Legionella outbreaks in the UK back in the '70s -'80s because I supplied water recycling plants for their vehicle washes. The Experts blamed my water recycling plants, but I carried out in depth research eventually contacting the Germ Warfare Estblishment at Porton Down UK. Working with Porton Down on the problem I was able to gain a lot of background on the legionella bacillii which I believe was possibly originally manufactured by them but escaped. I carried out on site investigations and after further discussions with Porton Down we found that the problem was in the air conditioning. In the case of Stafford hospital, the bacteria was being bred in aircon waste drain and sucked up and atomised in the hosiptal humidifiers. People are only affected by bacteria contained in atomised water droplets of very low micron size (5 Micron). The normal water spray cannot affect you, and then only in the case where the people have destroyed their lung's natural defences by smoking, and generally are over 56 years of age. Hence, the most famous case which gave rise to the name was at a Legionaires Conference, hence "Legionella".

Following my research Porton Down Experts formed a Private Consultancy Company for investigation and advice to Water Companies on Legionella in Water Systems, whilst at the time I was Consultant to the British Health Service, various oil companies and the Car Wash Association on Legionella in Car Washing and water recycling systems in general.

The Germ Warfare Establishment were famous for conducting experiments on enlisted British Soldiers with Sarin and various bacterium and molds with a view of using the compounds for incapacitating, paralysing or even killing enemy soldiers. In my view they would be able to establish the cause of death as they are the World's experts, having created a number of lethal bacterium which seem to have escaped into the environment.

Working with Porton Down on the problem I was able to gain a lot of background on the legionella bacillii which I believe was possibly originally manufactured by them but escaped

Yet more nonsense! Porton Down did not 'invent' this bacterium There was an outbreak in a hotel in the USA, a conference of?? ex soldiers?? contracted the disease.It was first isolated there. It's a very common bacterium ( bacilli is plural for bacillus a rod shaped organism) It was then isolated in many other places.

( BTW I was for 10 years a specialist microbiology inspector for the HSE ( The first actually ) and investigated among other things the last outbreak of smallpox in Birmingham in 197??,, oversaw the disinfection of Gruniard island with Porton Down ( anthrax )and lots of other fun stuff )

It seems that you do not know what you are talking about with reference to Legionella. I already stated that the conference was attended by Legionaires, yet you go on to say that I am wrong and that it was a conference of ex-soldiers! If you knew the history of Legionaires disease you will know that the retired soldiers were Legionaires. Hence the name of the bacillii as Legionella. Legionnaires' disease acquired its name in July 1976 when an outbreak of pneumonia occurred among people attending a convention of the American Legion at the Bellevue-Stratford Hotel in Philadelphia. On January 18, 1977 the causative agent was identified as a previously unknown strain of bacteria, subsequently named Legionella. However, in my dealings with Porton Down they had researched this particularly strain way prior to the 1977 outbreak. As you should be aware Porton down was researching the use of common bacteria which by manipulation can made to produce a mutated form capable of being used as a weapon against enemy combatants. Since Porton Down had carried out research into producing this strain of bacteria, I prefer to believe that the bacterium was helped into existence rather than coming into existence by natural selection.

I was very much involved with the investigation into the Staffordshire Hospital Outbreak in 1985. It was I that investigated the outbreak independantly with Porton Down's assistance. Whilst the experts who went on TV immediately after the outbreak were pointing their fingers at the Bus Wash Water Recycling pant across the road from the hospital, I told them the problem was likely to be the aircon system and the humidifiers, and gave the health service a report on the bacteria and the information from Porton Down. The main important prerequisite being that the water droplets conatining the bacterium must be atomised to 5 micron size or less in order to cause infection leading to Pneumonia. Following this they did find that the problem was in their airconditioning system and that Fospur, the Chemical Company, maintaining the cooling system and supplying the Biocide, had neglected to kill the bacteria breeding in the system blowdown drain.

[CobraSnakeNecktie]

the only part about the insecticide theory I am having trouble with is why hasn't the person applying these bug killers in the rooms dead also?

Perhaps they was using a respirator but you would think that person or persons would have a much bigger dose than any hotels guests.

Perhaps they are burning thru workers also and their illnesses and deaths have been kept secret.

[Jingthing]

the only part about the insecticide theory I am having trouble with is why hasn't the person applying these bug killers in the rooms dead also?

Perhaps they was using a respirator but you would think that person or persons would have a much bigger dose than any hotels guests.

Perhaps they are burning thru workers also and their illnesses and deaths have been kept secret.

Could be ventilation and not sticking his face in it for hours on a toxic mattress, etc.

[geriatrickid]

the only part about the insecticide theory I am having trouble with is why hasn't the person applying these bug killers in the rooms dead also?

Perhaps they was using a respirator but you would think that person or persons would have a much bigger dose than any hotels guests.

Perhaps they are burning thru workers also and their illnesses and deaths have been kept secret.

You ask an intelligent question and deserve an intelligent answer (at least an attempt at one )

The use of protective equipment for small commercial applications is not commonly observed. The workers that apply these chemicals usually are carrying a "full load" due to their chronic exposure. The impact of long term exposure is usually manifested over time with an increased incidence of vital organ diseases and cancer. If they were susceptible, chances are the person would have fallen off after the first days on the job.

The chemical cited impacts the immune system, and can suppress human immune systems in those that are either suffering from a pre-existing medical condition or that are are gentically predisposed to sensitivity to such chemicals. A crude analogy is the sun. Put one a swarthy Australians out naked for 2 hours in the phuket sun and the person will come back full of life. Put a fair skinned Dane or Swede naked in the sun for that time and the poor person will be burnt and close to sunstroke.

I believe that if there was a chemcial link, then it acted to weaken the immune systems of the victims and made them susceptible to opportunistic infections.

[NancyL]

Estrada, I believe it's already been discussed on this thread that the Downtown Inn does not have a central A/C system servicing the guest rooms. Instead, each room had its own unit. I suspect that kind of shots down the Legionaire's theory, doesn't it?

[travelinasia]

The bed bug insecticide theory does not explain the death of Canadian Bill Mah, and American Sonya Podola who never stayed at The Downtown Inn, and only used the hotel facilities. You would assume that you would need to be in one of the rooms in order to be exposed to this chemical? I would have to say this case remains unsolved..

[NancyL]

In viewing the NZ 60 Minute piece, it looks like they didn't take swab samples from the mattresses in the room. I would totally expect to find traces of insecticide around the baseboards of hotel rooms in Thailand. That's standard practice for treating a variety of tropical insects. Otherwise, guests will be complaining on TripAdvisor about how they found really large cockroaches in their room.

I'm not saying it's a correct practice -- just that it's a common practice. Spraying insecticides on a mattress is never correct. Infested mattresses should be replaced.

The real news would be in finiding insecticide in the mattresses.

Otherwise, it's just sensational journalism, i.e. "News Flash -- insecticide around baseboards and crevices to prevent cockroaches at a downscale hotel in Chiang Mai, an otherwise really great tourist destination with many exotic photo shoot opportunities". At least that's what the piece appeared to be to me.

I feel for the parents' grief but hope they realize the don't have the total answer yet.

[bristolgeoff]

the downtown inn will be trying to keep out of the papers with this story.also the travel forums.but i think that is way too late,answers will be found in time

[globalmenace]

"It's still pretty horrific that they have such low standards that that can happen," he said."

Man, you have no idea. Low standards? How about no standards.

Now, will anyone be held to account for this? I think I know the answer to my own question.

Edited May 9, 2011 by globalmenace

[msg362]

I commented on this to the Bangkok Post, I know the editor so I will take this up with him personally.

I was involved in the Staffordshire Hospital, Sheffield City Bus and the BBC Legionella outbreaks in the UK back in the '70s -'80s because I supplied water recycling plants for their vehicle washes. The Experts blamed my water recycling plants, but I carried out in depth research eventually contacting the Germ Warfare Estblishment at Porton Down UK. Working with Porton Down on the problem I was able to gain a lot of background on the legionella bacillii which I believe was possibly originally manufactured by them but escaped. I carried out on site investigations and after further discussions with Porton Down we found that the problem was in the air conditioning. In the case of Stafford hospital, the bacteria was being bred in aircon waste drain and sucked up and atomised in the hosiptal humidifiers. People are only affected by bacteria contained in atomised water droplets of very low micron size (5 Micron). The normal water spray cannot affect you, and then only in the case where the people have destroyed their lung's natural defences by smoking, and generally are over 56 years of age. Hence, the most famous case which gave rise to the name was at a Legionaires Conference, hence "Legionella".

Following my research Porton Down Experts formed a Private Consultancy Company for investigation and advice to Water Companies on Legionella in Water Systems, whilst at the time I was Consultant to the British Health Service, various oil companies and the Car Wash Association on Legionella in Car Washing and water recycling systems in general.

The Germ Warfare Establishment were famous for conducting experiments on enlisted British Soldiers with Sarin and various bacterium and molds with a view of using the compounds for incapacitating, paralysing or even killing enemy soldiers. In my view they would be able to establish the cause of death as they are the World's experts, having created a number of lethal bacterium which seem to have escaped into the environment.

Working with Porton Down on the problem I was able to gain a lot of background on the legionella bacillii which I believe was possibly originally manufactured by them but escaped

Yet more nonsense! Porton Down did not 'invent' this bacterium There was an outbreak in a hotel in the USA, a conference of?? ex soldiers?? contracted the disease.It was first isolated there. It's a very common bacterium ( bacilli is plural for bacillus a rod shaped organism) It was then isolated in many other places.

( BTW I was for 10 years a specialist microbiology inspector for the HSE ( The first actually ) and investigated among other things the last outbreak of smallpox in Birmingham in 197??,, oversaw the disinfection of Gruniard island with Porton Down ( anthrax )and lots of other fun stuff )

It seems that you do not know what you are talking about with reference to Legionella. I already stated that the conference was attended by Legionaires, yet you go on to say that I am wrong and that it was a conference of ex-soldiers! If you knew the history of Legionaires disease you will know that the retired soldiers were Legionaires. Hence the name of the bacillii as Legionella. Legionnaires' disease acquired its name in July 1976 when an outbreak of pneumonia occurred among people attending a convention of the American Legion at the Bellevue-Stratford Hotel in Philadelphia. On January 18, 1977 the causative agent was identified as a previously unknown strain of bacteria, subsequently named Legionella. However, in my dealings with Porton Down they had researched this particularly strain way prior to the 1977 outbreak. As you should be aware Porton down was researching the use of common bacteria which by manipulation can made to produce a mutated form capable of being used as a weapon against enemy combatants. Since Porton Down had carried out research into producing this strain of bacteria, I prefer to believe that the bacterium was helped into existence rather than coming into existence by natural selection.

I was very much involved with the investigation into the Staffordshire Hospital Outbreak in 1985. It was I that investigated the outbreak independantly with Porton Down's assistance. Whilst the experts who went on TV immediately after the outbreak were pointing their fingers at the Bus Wash Water Recycling pant across the road from the hospital, I told them the problem was likely to be the aircon system and the humidifiers, and gave the health service a report on the bacteria and the information from Porton Down. The main important prerequisite being that the water droplets conatining the bacterium must be atomised to 5 micron size or less in order to cause infection leading to Pneumonia. Following this they did find that the problem was in their airconditioning system and that Fospur, the Chemical Company, maintaining the cooling system and supplying the Biocide, had neglected to kill the bacteria breeding in the system blowdown drain.

What is a Legionnaire? Then what are the members of the French foreign Legion? (I think soldiers is OK, esp when covered in question marks I wasn't sure if Legionnaires in the US are the same as in France))

I do know the history, that's why I corrected you.

I prefer to believe that the bacterium was helped into existence rather than coming into existence by natural selection. At the time, genetic manipulation was in it's infancy, strains might be increased in virulence, but substantial changes were not possible. ( My professor and supervisor worked there before moving to a University, I worked in PD for a few weeks). If I prefer to believe in fairies I don't quote it as fact to others. If what you say is true, how is it that the first outbreak identified was in the States? Did a ( mad) Scientist from Porton Down fill a vial, get on a plane and pour it in the air con system in a hotel? The fact is this bug is common, if air con systems are not regularly cleaned , it grows. When aerosolised ( from the cooling systems, normally located on the roofs of buildings)and inhaled in sufficient dose, it can cause infections and sometimes death.

Edited May 10, 2011 by msg362

[dunkin2012]

Chlorpyrifos 's still not the final conclusion though.

many questions in my mind.

Thai authorities got the ball and play it in the way they want it.

if you demand justice here, it's not possible. ( profits sharing) for these people.... otherwise the hotel can't be in business now.

75% off looks like a good deal..

to prevent people from lodging in that hotel and die ( think of it)

D2012

Is it true this 75% off ??? if so to my mind it's their way of saying SORRY disgusting.

ginjag : it's 70% off now. I thought I have seen 75% off.

so, Do you want a good deal?

haha...

[msg362]

Time for a summary?

The insecticide theory is unlikely. She would have had to ingest/inhale a relatively large amount for it to have an immediate/ acute effect. We are talking about teaspoonfuls! The insecticide was not found in high levels at autopsy. What about the other deaths?

Legionella is a 'red herring ( i know it's not a fish!!)

I don't think there is an answer yet, there may never be, but I'll not be staying at the Downtown in even if it was free!

[Lizard2010]

As a recent visitor noted on TripAdvisor:

After climbing in and starting to fall asleep, I kept thinking mosquitoes were biting me... and then I thought I felt something tiny run across my shoulder, then my leg. I thought I was imagining it and eventually fell asleep.

In the morning my husband's ankles and legs were covered in little red dots that were itching him like crazy. He'd gotten it worse than me. He identified them as "definitely bed bugs". Since we were checking out super early, we didn't bother making a big fuss about it... but I definitely wouldn't stay there again.

Perhaps a concerned party could advise TripAdvisor about this hotel and stop them killing anyone else?

Ther has been numerous posts on Tripadvisor.

Most have been deleted, it seems that they are wanting people to go to Thailand, not put them off.

[Lizard2010]

... snip ... Whilst it would be extremely unlikely that one death would occur due to this substance especially with very short term exposure, the fact that there have been more deaths which have occured and that the deaths were fairly rapid does not fit the known toxicology effects of the Chemical Chloropyrifos. ... snip ... I am afraid that this is not a case solved, it is a case covered up. ... snip ...

Sawadee Khrup, Khun Estrada,

This is a very thoughtful critique of the current hypothesis of the cause of these multiple deaths: and that hypothesis could well be a "rush to judgement."

Hope you'll write a letter-to-the-editor of either the Bangkok Post or Nation conveying this analysis, and your reservations about the academic credentials of the investigator.

We live in Chiang Mai, and first thought came into our head, when we heard about the multiple fatalities all linked to that hotel, was the fact that the Anusarn Market seafood restaurant area is less than a hundred meters from that hotel, second thought was central air-con, but it has come out the rooms have individual air-con units, we believe.

thanks, ~o:37;

I commented on this to the Bangkok Post, I know the editor so I will take this up with him personally.

I was involved in the Staffordshire Hospital, Sheffield City Bus and the BBC Legionella outbreaks in the UK back in the '70s -'80s because I supplied water recycling plants for their vehicle washes. The Experts blamed my water recycling plants, but I carried out in depth research eventually contacting the Germ Warfare Estblishment at Porton Down UK. Working with Porton Down on the problem I was able to gain a lot of background on the legionella bacillii which I believe was possibly originally manufactured by them but escaped. I carried out on site investigations and after further discussions with Porton Down we found that the problem was in the air conditioning. In the case of Stafford hospital, the bacteria was being bred in aircon waste drain and sucked up and atomised in the hosiptal humidifiers. People are only affected by bacteria contained in atomised water droplets of very low micron size (5 Micron). The normal water spray cannot affect you, and then only in the case where the people have destroyed their lung's natural defences by smoking, and generally are over 56 years of age. Hence, the most famous case which gave rise to the name was at a Legionaires Conference, hence "Legionella".

Following my research Porton Down Experts formed a Private Consultancy Company for investigation and advice to Water Companies on Legionella in Water Systems, whilst at the time I was Consultant to the British Health Service, various oil companies and the Car Wash Association on Legionella in Car Washing and water recycling systems in general.

The Germ Warfare Establishment were famous for conducting experiments on enlisted British Soldiers with Sarin and various bacterium and molds with a view of using the compounds for incapacitating, paralysing or even killing enemy soldiers. In my view they would be able to establish the cause of death as they are the World's experts, having created a number of lethal bacterium which seem to have escaped into the environment.

Working with Porton Down on the problem I was able to gain a lot of background on the legionella bacillii which I believe was possibly originally manufactured by them but escaped

Yet more nonsense! Porton Down did not 'invent' this bacterium There was an outbreak in a hotel in the USA, a conference of?? ex soldiers?? contracted the disease.It was first isolated there. It's a very common bacterium ( bacilli is plural for bacillus a rod shaped organism) It was then isolated in many other places.

( BTW I was for 10 years a specialist microbiology inspector for the HSE ( The first actually ) and investigated among other things the last outbreak of smallpox in Birmingham in 197??,, oversaw the disinfection of Gruniard island with Porton Down ( anthrax )and lots of other fun stuff )

I think you are barking up the wrong tree.

Each room has there own Refrigerated Air Conditioner.

The hallways do not have any aircondtioners.

The reception area to knowledge, after staying there numerous times has Fans.

So the legionella bacillii well it is not a factor in this one.

[Lizard2010]

Estrada, I believe it's already been discussed on this thread that the Downtown Inn does not have a central A/C system servicing the guest rooms. Instead, each room had its own unit. I suspect that kind of shots down the Legionaire's theory, doesn't it?

I agree with you.

I have constantly stated many times in all these forum posts.

I believe people do not read all the posts.

I stioll can not come to grips with all this after being there when the first Thai Tour Guided died.

We did not know until we got home about all the other deaths.

[msg362]

This is a very thoughtful critique of the current hypothesis of the cause of these multiple deaths: and that hypothesis could well be a "rush to judgement."

Hope you'll write a letter-to-the-editor of either the Bangkok Post or Nation conveying this analysis, and your reservations about the academic credentials of the investigator.

We live in Chiang Mai, and first thought came into our head, when we heard about the multiple fatalities all linked to that hotel, was the fact that the Anusarn Market seafood restaurant area is less than a hundred meters from that hotel, second thought was central air-con, but it has come out the rooms have individual air-con units, we believe.

thanks, ~o:37;

I commented on this to the Bangkok Post, I know the editor so I will take this up with him personally.

I was involved in the Staffordshire Hospital, Sheffield City Bus and the BBC Legionella outbreaks in the UK back in the '70s -'80s because I supplied water recycling plants for their vehicle washes. The Experts blamed my water recycling plants, but I carried out in depth research eventually contacting the Germ Warfare Estblishment at Porton Down UK. Working with Porton Down on the problem I was able to gain a lot of background on the legionella bacillii which I believe was possibly originally manufactured by them but escaped. I carried out on site investigations and after further discussions with Porton Down we found that the problem was in the air conditioning. In the case of Stafford hospital, the bacteria was being bred in aircon waste drain and sucked up and atomised in the hosiptal humidifiers. People are only affected by bacteria contained in atomised water droplets of very low micron size (5 Micron). The normal water spray cannot affect you, and then only in the case where the people have destroyed their lung's natural defences by smoking, and generally are over 56 years of age. Hence, the most famous case which gave rise to the name was at a Legionaires Conference, hence "Legionella".

Following my research Porton Down Experts formed a Private Consultancy Company for investigation and advice to Water Companies on Legionella in Water Systems, whilst at the time I was Consultant to the British Health Service, various oil companies and the Car Wash Association on Legionella in Car Washing and water recycling systems in general.

The Germ Warfare Establishment were famous for conducting experiments on enlisted British Soldiers with Sarin and various bacterium and molds with a view of using the compounds for incapacitating, paralysing or even killing enemy soldiers. In my view they would be able to establish the cause of death as they are the World's experts, having created a number of lethal bacterium which seem to have escaped into the environment.

Working with Porton Down on the problem I was able to gain a lot of background on the legionella bacillii which I believe was possibly originally manufactured by them but escaped

Yet more nonsense! Porton Down did not 'invent' this bacterium There was an outbreak in a hotel in the USA, a conference of?? ex soldiers?? contracted the disease.It was first isolated there. It's a very common bacterium ( bacilli is plural for bacillus a rod shaped organism) It was then isolated in many other places.

( BTW I was for 10 years a specialist microbiology inspector for the HSE ( The first actually ) and investigated among other things the last outbreak of smallpox in Birmingham in 197??,, oversaw the disinfection of Gruniard island with Porton Down ( anthrax )and lots of other fun stuff )

I think you are barking up the wrong tree.

Each room has there own Refrigerated Air Conditioner.

The hallways do not have any aircondtioners.

The reception area to knowledge, after staying there numerous times has Fans.

So the legionella bacillii well it is not a factor in this one.

It's not me suggesting Legionella! I agree with you !!!!!! It's Estrada running this, see my 'summary'!

[pomeloseed]

Could be a combination of things: The bedbug toxin, moth balls, MSG ingested at local restaurants, formaldehyde (from new mattresses, pillows, carpets, furniture made with particle board). Formaldehyde weakens a person's immune system (among other debilitations) which could make it easier for other toxins or pathogens to do their thing. Have the bathrooms been scientifically tested for sewer gas? Few Thai hotels (or homes) have P-traps for shower drains - and none have through-the-roof vent stacks.

Sorry to get off topic, but if a city was hosting a football game between its team and a visiting team, the city could provide the visiting team with nice new mattresses and pillows. The next day, the toxified visiting team would be physically and mentally screwed, and weaving all over the pitch. Just not cricket, old chap.

[Lizard2010]

I think you are barking up the wrong tree.

Each room has there own Refrigerated Air Conditioner.

The hallways do not have any aircondtioners.

The reception area to knowledge, after staying there numerous times has Fans.

So the legionella bacillii well it is not a factor in this one.

It's not me suggesting Legionella! I agree with you !!!!!! It's Estrada running this, see my 'summary'!

Oppps

[msg362]

I think you are barking up the wrong tree.

Each room has there own Refrigerated Air Conditioner.

The hallways do not have any aircondtioners.

The reception area to knowledge, after staying there numerous times has Fans.

So the legionella bacillii well it is not a factor in this one.

It's not me suggesting Legionella! I agree with you !!!!!! It's Estrada running this, see my 'summary'!

Oppps

No problem cheers

[Boater]

well it has hit the british press this morning

British couple and five other tourists die in Thailand 'because of bed bug pesticide poisoning'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1385379/British-couple-tourists-die-Thailand-bed-bug-pesticide-poisoning.html#ixzz1LumVyTHA

[dunkin2012]

well it has hit the british press this morning

British couple and five other tourists die in Thailand 'because of bed bug pesticide poisoning'

Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz1LumVyTHA

well done TiT...

then, how many copies there will be made out of this article and spread over the NET?

Good to save face and the hotel but costs heap to the country.

[Boater]

well it has hit the british press this morning

British couple and five other tourists die in Thailand 'because of bed bug pesticide poisoning'

Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz1LumVyTHA

well done TiT...

then, how many copies there will be made out of this article and spread over the NET?

Good to save face and the hotel but costs heap to the country.

also hit the telegraph - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/8501751/Toxic-seaweed-deaths-blamed-on-chemical-bed-bug-spray.html

and the end to the story line

Officials in Chiang Mai claim the tourists' deaths were nothing but coincidence, and have described them as "bad luck for that hotel".

well done the governer of Chaing Mai, you really shot yourself in the foot over this one !

[dunkin2012]

also hit the telegraph - http://www.telegraph...-bug-spray.html

and the end to the story line

Officials in Chiang Mai claim the tourists' deaths were nothing but coincidence, and have described them as "bad luck for that hotel".

well done the governer of Chaing Mai, you really shot yourself in the foot over this one !

yep.... we have seen that from 60 mins online special report, KIwi version.

the governor said "just bad luck" and gave the sh*****t to luck. wish it will happen to one of his family members or himself.

and what he would say to the media. "bad luck" too?

they are not as serious as we are to trace the evidence(s) for the case's closure.

or they know what it, the cause of death, is. and can't be open to public for some reasons. .... TiT sad

statistically, if we work with the possibility , the results can't be explainable by themselves. Cos' there are too many deaths in one single hotel.

why not others, why Farangs were being targeted?

btw, thanks for your research.

Edited May 10, 2011 by dunkin2012

[Awk]

Chlorpyrifos 's still not the final conclusion though.

many questions in my mind.

Thai authorities got the ball and play it in the way they want it.

if you demand justice here, it's not possible. ( profits sharing) for these people.... otherwise the hotel can't be in business now.

75% off looks like a good deal..

to prevent people from lodging in that hotel and die ( think of it)

D2012

Is it true this 75% off ??? if so to my mind it's their way of saying SORRY disgusting.

ginjag : it's 70% off now. I thought I have seen 75% off.

so, Do you want a good deal?

haha...

Does one have to pay in advance? You know, in case "some coincidence" occurs, again.

[msg362]

Has anyone asked why there have been no more deaths or ilness? what has changed? that might lead to something?

[Boater]

Has anyone asked why there have been no more deaths or ilness? what has changed? that might lead to something?

yes another cover up

[cmrichsw]

This is a sad story for sure - Would it be better to have a country full of Lawyers and sue the negligent owners?

Edited May 10, 2011 by Scott
formatting/Scott

[TigerWan]

Has anyone asked why there have been no more deaths or ilness? what has changed? that might lead to something?

He went back home . Look for more western women dying next spring at another tourist destination

So traces of a pesticide found in a room 3 months after the deaths proves.... er, what?

[Lite Beer]

British Couple And Five Other Tourists Died In Thailand 'Because Of Bed Bug Pesticide Poisoning'

A British couple were among seven tourists whose deaths in Thailand have been linked to a toxic bed bug pesticide.

Pensioners George Everitt, 78, and his wife Eileen, 73, from Boston, Lincolnshire, were found dead in their room at the Downtown Inn in Chiang Mai.

An undercover investigation revealed shocking evidence linking the deaths between January and March after all seven stayed at or used facilities at the hotel.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1385379/British-couple-tourists-die-Thailand-bed-bug-pesticide-poisoning.html#ixzz1LxOS3SCp

--Daily Mail--2011-05-10--

[msg362]

OK let's try to cut through the bedbug story:

no traces of chlorpyrifos were found in the victims

I think the swabs taken by the 'expert' ( ? in management??!!) were taken several months after the deaths are are therefore not relevant ( I stand to be corrected). ( I suspect that the hotel went through a thorough clean up after the deaths and any residue of insecticide is a result of that clean up. I'd do that if I owned the hotel!!)

Large amounts would have to be eaten/ inhaled to cause death ( but no traces found!!)

Samples have been sent to Japan and the US ( but why so long for an answer??)

How much did the 'expert' Ron McDowall get paid??

So the mystery remains

Edited May 11, 2011 by msg362