Iphone4

[slippery when wet]

hello

I am trying to use chat rooms on my iphone4 but when attempting to chat a message says that i need to upgrade adobe flash player but when I click on the link it says apple have blocked.......is there anything I can do?

thanks

[infernalman7]

There's no legit way of obtaining Flash Player on an iPhone. That's what Android users always tease iPhone users with all the time.

BUT if you jailbreak, you can. But it drains your phone battery VERY QUICKLY. This is probably the reason why Apple chooses not to allow Flash Players to be on their phones in the first place.

[Tywais]

It looks like a mechanism is being developed that may solve the problem but will depend on developers.

Adobe has finally given in to the inevitable: a new tool will convert Flash files to HTML5 so they can run on Apple devices like the iPad and iPhone.

The tool will help advertisers and Web sites who have already made big investments in Flash, but it's not going to keep developers from defecting -- especially if they're making mobile apps.

Adobe gives in to Apple

[jybkk]

There's no legit way of obtaining Flash Player on an iPhone. That's what Android users always tease iPhone users with all the time.

BUT if you jailbreak, you can. But it drains your phone battery VERY QUICKLY. This is probably the reason why Apple chooses not to allow Flash Players to be on their phones in the first place.

Apple most likely didn't implement flash on iPhone because they didn't want it to become a way for users to play games online without going through the App store.

The battery drain problem is about programming and optimization. If Apple supported flash, the version you'd have in your phone now wouldn't drain it as the unofficial jailbroken clunky one does.

Now, as Tywais mentionned, HTML5 looks like a pretty good replacement for Flash in the future. And it is supported by Apple. Developpers slowly start to make the swithc, but it is still very annoying to regularly get stuck on your iPhone because there's a part of the page you can't load. The latest Flash updates on Android combines with the improved performance of the devices made it pretty smooth experience, and no more battery issues.

Apple devices are neat and well polished. The counterpart is that if Apple decided you can't do something with your device, they'll make sure that you won't.

It goes to the point of being a bit authoritarian sometimes... See one of their latest patent here: http://www.boingboing.net/2011/06/16/apple-patents-mobile.html

[Shpongle]

Flash is horrible software and any effort to conspire some conspiracy of why Apple doesn't use it it silly. Anyone who is tech savvy can understand why Apple doesn't use Flash. It's bloated software, Adobe still hasn't created a decent version for any mobile vendor and it crashes all the time. It is the #1 cause of browser crashes on both my Mac and PC.

I'm very thankful Apple has left off the bug ridden software and made way for more open standards with HTML5. If anyone is curious just check out Steve Jobs open letter about why Apple didn't use Flash. He explains it very plain and simple.

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

[jybkk]

Flash is horrible software and any effort to conspire some conspiracy of why Apple doesn't use it it silly. Anyone who is tech savvy can understand why Apple doesn't use Flash. It's bloated software, Adobe still hasn't created a decent version for any mobile vendor and it crashes all the time. It is the #1 cause of browser crashes on both my Mac and PC.

I'm very thankful Apple has left off the bug ridden software and made way for more open standards with HTML5. If anyone is curious just check out Steve Jobs open letter about why Apple didn't use Flash. He explains it very plain and simple.

http://www.apple.com...ughts-on-flash/

Of course, since His Jobsness said so, it MUST be true. There's no way this open letter is a PR move from Apple. They are not very good at marketing ,right?

More seriously, no one said Flash is perfect. I, myself, will be happy to find a good replacement for it (and put my hopes on HTML5). But maybe as a "tech savvy" person, you should investigate why your Mac and PC crash all the time. I use flash on all my devices, including smartphones, and I have yet to experience a single crash (flash-related or not) over the last year or so.

In other words, Flash is not great, but it's not the amazingly horrible piece of software some try to depict, and while Apple's decisions are surely based partly on technical and user experience considerations, there's also a political and commercial dimension to it. I'd be worried for any tech company's future if they based their decisions purely on technical grounds.

[raro]

moved to the Apple forum

[nikster]

Flash is horrible software and any effort to conspire some conspiracy of why Apple doesn't use it it silly. Anyone who is tech savvy can understand why Apple doesn't use Flash. It's bloated software, Adobe still hasn't created a decent version for any mobile vendor and it crashes all the time. It is the #1 cause of browser crashes on both my Mac and PC.

I'm very thankful Apple has left off the bug ridden software and made way for more open standards with HTML5. If anyone is curious just check out Steve Jobs open letter about why Apple didn't use Flash. He explains it very plain and simple.

http://www.apple.com...ughts-on-flash/

Of course, since His Jobsness said so, it MUST be true. There's no way this open letter is a PR move from Apple. They are not very good at marketing ,right?

Don't be silly. Just add 2 and 2 together and you come to the conclusion that Flash is barely able to run on a mobile phone and it certainly wasn't ready in 2007 when Apple shipped the first iPhone.

So the only semi legit question would be: Now, in 2011, when Adobe has finally managed to produce a working - yet slow and battery-draining - version of Flash for Android, why doesn't Apple include it in the iPhone now? Flash didn't work on any mobile platform in 2010 and before. There was a Flash-lite but it was near-useless as it couldn't actually play most Flash content out there.

I think in 2011, they don't include it because

- It's still slow

- It's still crashy

- It's still draining batteries like no tomorrow

- And lastly, Apple's been doing OK without it for a few years already.

- Almost all of the Flash content out there is crap anyway, either ads or shitty web pages. Apple doesn't say that as it would be bad PR but I am pretty sure that's part of the reason, and I agree with that 100%. Silly little games are maybe the only exception and Apple has about 100,000 of those in the App store.

Personally, I hate Flash based web pages. They're just awful, even when they work (and they often don't). To me, the less Flash is out there, the better. Let's take a chat room - there is absolutely no reason to make that in Flash when it will work a million times better in HTML5.

[Shpongle]

Flash is horrible software and any effort to conspire some conspiracy of why Apple doesn't use it it silly. Anyone who is tech savvy can understand why Apple doesn't use Flash. It's bloated software, Adobe still hasn't created a decent version for any mobile vendor and it crashes all the time. It is the #1 cause of browser crashes on both my Mac and PC.

I'm very thankful Apple has left off the bug ridden software and made way for more open standards with HTML5. If anyone is curious just check out Steve Jobs open letter about why Apple didn't use Flash. He explains it very plain and simple.

http://www.apple.com...ughts-on-flash/

Of course, since His Jobsness said so, it MUST be true. There's no way this open letter is a PR move from Apple. They are not very good at marketing ,right?

More seriously, no one said Flash is perfect. I, myself, will be happy to find a good replacement for it (and put my hopes on HTML5). But maybe as a "tech savvy" person, you should investigate why your Mac and PC crash all the time. I use flash on all my devices, including smartphones, and I have yet to experience a single crash (flash-related or not) over the last year or so.

In other words, Flash is not great, but it's not the amazingly horrible piece of software some try to depict, and while Apple's decisions are surely based partly on technical and user experience considerations, there's also a political and commercial dimension to it. I'd be worried for any tech company's future if they based their decisions purely on technical grounds.

Feel free to comment a rebuttal on anything Steve said in that letter. As the poster below explained in great detail, Flash is bug ridden and poor software. There is no need to include on iOS and I thank them for that. If you're going to call that open letter PR and Marketing then at least comment on the things he wrote in the letter. If not then you're just making baseless accusations.

As for being more tech savvy and figuring out why Safari crashes all the time, there isn't anything to discuss. When your browser crashes and says "Flash Plugin has crashed Safari" and it only happens when browsing a site with lots of Flash, then what else if there for me to look at it. When I'm browsing a website that doesn't have Flash Safari works perfectly. It's a pretty cut and dry situation despite what you may think.

[GreenSnapper]

Thais love flash.

The top reason why most Thai websites are so unbelievably crappy.