Trivial Transfer Thread

[Abrak]

I am almost already getting bored of the transfer season and it has only just started. I have got to the stage where I truly couldnt give a fuc_k in Charlie Adam actually joined Liverpool or not.

Still some of the stuff in the press is quite amusing. Whether it be Barcelona trying to get 40m for 29 year old David Villa, Joe Cole going to Spurs or Harry being manager of Chelsea. So here is a thread to post all the ridiculous things going on and not going on in the transfer season.

I will start with the bookies first impressions of AVB

To win a major trophy in his first season.......evens

To win the CL as manager of Chelsea .......2/1

Unbeaten all home games in the PL this season.......4/1 )was achieved by ManU last season and Chealsea 05/06)

To survive his three season contract at Chelsea .......9/4

unbeaten in his first 10 games as manager .......9/4

Oh yes and Emile Heskey joining Spurs ..........8/11

[smokie36]

Palacios is off abroad.....hopefully for the £11m and a wee bit more.....sorry that's not nonsense either....more like a great deal for us.

Any takers for Defoe and Keane please apply in writing!

[Abrak]

I love the Mail's story today that Spurs are going to tempt Modric to stay by making him the highest paid player in the club's history on 90k a week. Now that is quite sweet as it is about how much Liverpool pay Cole to turn out for the reserves. As for Ashley Young on his sparkling new 130k a week salary, I suspect he will be the one buying the drinks.

[smokie36]

Insanity. If things carry on like this the gap will widen to the point where only a Euro league will be viable....last season may turn out to be a blip but remember there are only four seats at the table.

[Abrak]

Insanity. If things carry on like this the gap will widen to the point where only a Euro league will be viable....last season may turn out to be a blip but remember there are only four seats at the table.

Insanity? There maybe only 4 seats at the table but each of those seats is only worth something like 30m a year. When Chelsea buys Torres off LFC they are handing virtually two years CL receipts out of their pocket and straight into LFC's. And all for the pleasure of paying Torres 180k a week until he is 32 which is 70k a week more than LFC were paying him.

Chelsea have lost between 40m and 140m in each of the last 6 years and that is with CL revenues. They are left with a team that needs rebuilding having spent 310m (amortization net of profits) on the team (not to mention the salaries). Revenues are up 10% in 3 years. My personal view is that Abromavich is going to have a last whoosh at the CL while he can spend as much as he likes after that he will lose interest. Afterall when you have all the money in the world what is the point of playing games whereby your spending is limited and unlimited wealth does not make you the winner. It sounds too plebian.

[smokie36]

Insanity. If things carry on like this the gap will widen to the point where only a Euro league will be viable....last season may turn out to be a blip but remember there are only four seats at the table.

Insanity? There maybe only 4 seats at the table but each of those seats is only worth something like 30m a year. When Chelsea buys Torres off LFC they are handing virtually two years CL receipts out of their pocket and straight into LFC's. And all for the pleasure of paying Torres 180k a week until he is 32 which is 70k a week more than LFC were paying him.

Chelsea have lost between 40m and 140m in each of the last 6 years and that is with CL revenues. They are left with a team that needs rebuilding having spent 310m (amortization net of profits) on the team (not to mention the salaries). Revenues are up 10% in 3 years. My personal view is that Abromavich is going to have a last whoosh at the CL while he can spend as much as he likes after that he will lose interest. Afterall when you have all the money in the world what is the point of playing games whereby your spending is limited and unlimited wealth does not make you the winner. It sounds too plebian.

Believe it when you see it Abrak...the chairmen will try every trick in the book to circumvent the rules.

[carmine]

I love the Mail's story today that Spurs are going to tempt Modric to stay by making him the highest paid player in the club's history on 90k a week. Now that is quite sweet as it is about how much Liverpool pay Cole to turn out for the reserves. As for Ashley Young on his sparkling new 130k a week salary, I suspect he will be the one buying the drinks.

Presumably with you recent transfer record Ashley was way too cheap.

[StevieH]

djibril cisse to everton is one of my favourite recent rumours. as is scott carson to turkey's bursaspor.

[Abrak]

I love the Mail's story today that Spurs are going to tempt Modric to stay by making him the highest paid player in the club's history on 90k a week. Now that is quite sweet as it is about how much Liverpool pay Cole to turn out for the reserves. As for Ashley Young on his sparkling new 130k a week salary, I suspect he will be the one buying the drinks.

Presumably with you recent transfer record Ashley was way too cheap.

Well not really. They both cost the same amount of transfer fee but Henderson's wages over the next 5 years are 12.5m and Young's 34m - quite a big difference. I have no idea what Henderson will be worth in 4 or 5 years but I doubt his transfer value will diminish much as he will only be 24/25. Ashley Young will be approaching 30 and his resale value will obviously suffer. Whether he proves worth his 130k a week salary is debatable - it is far too much money for me to have around to experiment. Henderson already has 71 PL caps at the age of 20, so he has proven some decent worth. Ashley Young just seems massively overrated as a footballer but then again I am probably missing something.

[StevieH]

ashley young is a fine attacking player and his goal and assist stats, even in a not brilliant villa side, over the past few seasons back that up. he's a useful addition by united.

[Abrak]

My sort of favorite transfer story doing the round is that Barcelona want to sell David Villa to finance fibreglass etc. Now having paid an outrageous 35m for him at 28 they are hoping to get 40m for him at 29 off one of the ingrates around either Man City or Chelsea. Supposedly City have already had an offer for him of 27m turned down which you might think would be enough to tempt Barca out of their enormous financial black hole. But they have turned it down presumably on the first bid is the low bid principle.

If Barca get their money back - 35m - they will be laughing all the way to the banks. As for City they will continue to have to learn the difference between there been a price for something and value for nothing.

[JacknDanny]

My sort of favorite transfer story doing the round is that Barcelona want to sell David Villa to finance fibreglass etc. Now having paid an outrageous 35m for him at 28 they are hoping to get 40m for him at 29 off one of the ingrates around either Man City or Chelsea. Supposedly City have already had an offer for him of 27m turned down which you might think would be enough to tempt Barca out of their enormous financial black hole. But they have turned it down presumably on the first bid is the low bid principle.

If Barca get their money back - 35m - they will be laughing all the way to the banks. As for City they will continue to have to learn the difference between there been a price for something and value for nothing.

Trouble is, Abrak, you have no clue about football. All you 'understand' are so called stats and 'sabremetrics'.

By bringing somebody like Villa in (which I dont think will happen anyway)it immediately increases their chance of winning a trophy (or rather ANOTHER trophy )Also it increases the chances of bringing in more class players. If an individual sees that we are ambitious as well as being loaded, then there is an ever increasing chance we will get the better players.As a football fan I would rather my team spend 40M on Villa than say 35 M on Carroll.

[mrbojangles]

As a football fan I would rather my team spend 40M on Villa than say 35 M on Carroll.

Amen to that jack

[smokie36]

As a football fan I would rather my team spend 40M on Villa than say 35 M on Carroll.

Amen to that jack

If you can afford it why not? Have to agree....we'd take anyone who can bang in 20 goals next season regardless of age...sadly not of price though.

[JacknDanny]

As a football fan I would rather my team spend 40M on Villa than say 35 M on Carroll.

Amen to that jack

If you can afford it why not? Have to agree....we'd take anyone who can bang in 20 goals next season regardless of age...sadly not of price though.

You know, I will give you one name of someone who will get you 20 goals next year, cost less than 10 million.

He is a cocky little sh!t, and has a tw@t of an agent, but I rate him........ Daniel Sturridge

[Abrak]

Trouble is, Abrak, you have no clue about football. All you 'understand' are so called stats and 'sabremetrics'.

By bringing somebody like Villa in (which I dont think will happen anyway)it immediately increases their chance of winning a trophy (or rather ANOTHER trophy )Also it increases the chances of bringing in more class players. If an individual sees that we are ambitious as well as being loaded, then there is an ever increasing chance we will get the better players.As a football fan I would rather my team spend 40M on Villa than say 35 M on Carroll.

Daedalus built wings for himself and Icarus, fashioned with feathers held together with wax. Daedalus warned his son not to fly too close to the sun, as it would melt his wings, and not too close to the sea, as it would dampen them and make it hard to fly. The Icarian Sea, where he fell, was named after him and it is said that Heracles (Hercules), who passed by, gave him burial.

The trouble is Jack N Danny is now that Citeh have won one pot in 35 years, they are beginning to think they understand football. You see you won fuc_k all because you didnt have a pot to piss in. And now that you can fill the pot with piss and have enough left over to spray paint your initials on the wall you suddenly think you understand it all. Now that you are as rich as Croesus where money has no value and you know the value of nothing we will see if things go quite as well when you are limited by FFP. You couldnt win a gong when you lost 130 quid in 09/10 and you won one by losing even more in 10/11.

But beware....

In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone,

Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws

The only shadow that the Desert knows:

"I am great OZYMANDIAS," saith the stone,

"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows

"The wonders of my hand." The City's gone,

Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose

The site of this forgotten Babylon.

[MrRed]

As a football fan I would rather my team spend 40M on Villa than say 35 M on Carroll.

Amen to that jack

If you can afford it why not? Have to agree....we'd take anyone who can bang in 20 goals next season regardless of age...sadly not of price though.

[smokie36]

As a football fan I would rather my team spend 40M on Villa than say 35 M on Carroll.

Amen to that jack

If you can afford it why not? Have to agree....we'd take anyone who can bang in 20 goals next season regardless of age...sadly not of price though.

Aye he'll need to take a pay cut and grovel first though.....

[JacknDanny]

Trouble is, Abrak, you have no clue about football. All you 'understand' are so called stats and 'sabremetrics'.

By bringing somebody like Villa in (which I dont think will happen anyway)it immediately increases their chance of winning a trophy (or rather ANOTHER trophy )Also it increases the chances of bringing in more class players. If an individual sees that we are ambitious as well as being loaded, then there is an ever increasing chance we will get the better players.As a football fan I would rather my team spend 40M on Villa than say 35 M on Carroll.

Daedalus built wings for himself and Icarus, fashioned with feathers held together with wax. Daedalus warned his son not to fly too close to the sun, as it would melt his wings, and not too close to the sea, as it would dampen them and make it hard to fly. The Icarian Sea, where he fell, was named after him and it is said that Heracles (Hercules), who passed by, gave him burial.

The trouble is Jack N Danny is now that Citeh have won one pot in 35 years, they are beginning to think they understand football. You see you won fuc_k all because you didnt have a pot to piss in. And now that you can fill the pot with piss and have enough left over to spray paint your initials on the wall you suddenly think you understand it all. Now that you are as rich as Croesus where money has no value and you know the value of nothing we will see if things go quite as well when you are limited by FFP. You couldnt win a gong when you lost 130 quid in 09/10 and you won one by losing even more in 10/11.

But beware....

In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone,

Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws

The only shadow that the Desert knows:

"I am great OZYMANDIAS," saith the stone,

"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows

"The wonders of my hand." The City's gone,

Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose

The site of this forgotten Babylon.

<deleted> Abrak!! Are you sniffing glue??

First of all its sabremetrics!! Now we have Greek mythology and Shelley sonnets!!!!!

This is the football forum, not the fekkin National Geographic channel!!!!

[Abrak]

<deleted> Abrak!! Are you sniffing glue??

First of all its sabremetrics!! Now we have Greek mythology and Shelley sonnets!!!!!

This is the football forum, not the fekkin National Geographic channel!!!!

Its Horace Smith not Shelley, Shelley never mentioned City!

[carmine]

My sort of favorite transfer story doing the round is that Barcelona want to sell David Villa to finance fibreglass etc. Now having paid an outrageous 35m for him at 28 they are hoping to get 40m for him at 29 off one of the ingrates around either Man City or Chelsea. Supposedly City have already had an offer for him of 27m turned down which you might think would be enough to tempt Barca out of their enormous financial black hole. But they have turned it down presumably on the first bid is the low bid principle.

If Barca get their money back - 35m - they will be laughing all the way to the banks. As for City they will continue to have to learn the difference between there been a price for something and value for nothing.

Trouble is, Abrak, you have no clue about football. All you 'understand' are so called stats and 'sabremetrics'.

By bringing somebody like Villa in (which I dont think will happen anyway)it immediately increases their chance of winning a trophy (or rather ANOTHER trophy )Also it increases the chances of bringing in more class players. If an individual sees that we are ambitious as well as being loaded, then there is an ever increasing chance we will get the better players.As a football fan I would rather my team spend 40M on Villa than say 35 M on Carroll.

thing is, you both have good points here, and both correct to a degree. My point would be that City are a completely separate anomoly to other cluds (bar Chelsea) because money is no object and they don't need to justify value for money, sell on values etc etc...

Re Villa and Carroll. The first question there is whether you think Carroll is a decent player or not? I think he's very average indeed, little more than a big neandathall presence. In Citys financial situation a proven 29 year old David Villa with more ability in his little toe is a better bet to assist them right now.

Ofcourse such scenarios would be different for clubs such as Spurs that have to look at a much bigger picture.

[StevieH]

<deleted> Abrak!! Are you sniffing glue??

First of all its sabremetrics!! Now we have Greek mythology and Shelley sonnets!!!!!

This is the football forum, not the fekkin National Geographic channel!!!!

would've thought a man city fan would spot one of stuart hall's favourite pieces.

[JacknDanny]

<deleted> Abrak!! Are you sniffing glue??

First of all its sabremetrics!! Now we have Greek mythology and Shelley sonnets!!!!!

This is the football forum, not the fekkin National Geographic channel!!!!

would've thought a man city fan would spot one of stuart hall's favourite pieces.

The only thing that made me chuckle about Stuart Hall, was his failed travel company.... Stuart Hall International Travel.

He used to have the name emblazoned on top of a building with the first letter of each word illuminated. Not realising, of course. Prize prick in my book!!

[Abrak]

thing is, you both have good points here, and both correct to a degree. My point would be that City are a completely separate anomaly to other cluds (bar Chelsea) because money is no object and they don't need to justify value for money, sell on values etc etc...

You are right Carmine so long as Chelsea and City are going to be able to spend unlimited money without recourse to their profitability. I am perfectly prepared to accept that David Villa is perhaps about the best 29 year old player in the world. But if you believe that under FFP clubs are going to have to show at least a 'decent effort' at break even and equating costs with revenues it makes little sense at all.

Now remember that Chelsea has lost between 40m and 140m in each of the last six years. And City lost 130m on a 133m of turnover last year. Now predicting revenues is not rocket science for City there is not much they can do with matchday revenues, they will get an extra 10m from the new TV deal and an extra 30m from CL and they might squeeze in an extra 20m of commercial revenues. So that gives them 190m of revenues. Chelsea have grown their revenues 10% in three years.

Now on the cost line there are only two lines that are significant - wages and the amortization of players transfer fees. Now a transfer fee is exactly that a transfer between clubs one pays 20m and one gets 20m. The player is worth zero at the end. So the other side of transfer fees is profits on players sales - either because they came through the academy or because a 20 year old with a 5 year contract is depreciated to a book value of zero and any return thereafter is a profit. Where you get your value on the pitch is through the wages you pay a player.

So if you look at amortized transfer fees minus profits on sales for the top clubs you see this over 6 years

Spurs-------------34

Liverpool---------115

Man U-------------18

Arsenal------------0

City--------------140

Chelsea-----------310

Spurs deserve a special mention because although they have a net amortization bill they have considerable unrealized profits in their squad. And Chelsea have simply spent a fortune and been left with very little either because 1) they kept their players to retirement 2) they bought older players whose transfer value eroded to zero or because in some cases they simply let them go on a free.

So in Spurs case they have invested quite heavily in their squad but the value as been retained in the squad. If you buy David Villa for 40m you still have to pay him 150k a week wages and his transfer fee will erode to zero. The 40m you lose on the transfer fee is simply 40m that could be more productively used in financing the wages of a higher quality team. And the goal of any club should be to minimize transfer losses so that you can maximize your pay out in wages and finance a higher quality squad. Your transfer fees are simply payment of your revenues to finance another club - in this case Barcelona to buy Fabregas who will still be worth 30m in 4 years time.

And this is where age becomes before ability. So take a look at LFC's purchases and assume they are sold in 4 years time. Add a little help from the academy

---------------price--------sale-------profit

Carroll(26)------35m----------17m---------10m

Suarez(28)-------23m----------30m---------25m

Henderson (24)---18m----------18m---------14m

Spearing (26)-----0-----------10m---------10m

Total-------------------------------------59m

Amortization------------------------------61m

My point with Chelsea is that 310m has simply been wasted. I suspect if you add up all the value of the players (excluding Luiz and Torres) the value of the team is probably no greater than Spurs. And if there is not much value in the team he cannot rebuild it without a new round of losses because the likes of Cole Terry Lampard and Drogba Anelka have already been fully depreciated while their replacements will have the added cost of amortization.

Transfers are a zero sum game. Look at how Lille won the french league. Most managers see transfer spend as 'spend' on next season. In accounting terms it is amortized over the life of the contract. In terms of cashflow it is the net equity resulting from the deduction of the terminal value. I admit my view might be extreme. I have no idea how Harry who thinks Drogba might be cheap at 10m for a top striker and Levy who I imagine just sees it as a certain way to piss 10m down the toilet in 2 years actually see eye to eye.

I am also willing to make a bet on Chelsea. Abromavich tried to cut costs so that Chelsea would breakeven. Unfortunately as he had built no value in the squad he had no profits to take to make up for operating losses. Ultimately to breakeven he would have had to cut costs so drastically that his team would no longer be competitive. His purchase of Torres was insane from an FFP point of view. So my bet is that he is going to make no attempt to breakeven but every attempt to win the CL over the next two years when he can spend as much as he likes. After that I think he will lose interest.

City on the other hand have a coherent strategy to break even. They have bought up a huge squad of players over the last two years that by the time they need to breakeven will be in the books at a highly depreciated value (look at Carroll for instance). They can then sell players, reduce their amortization and wage costs and book profits on the sales which will finance their operating losses. That is why I was surprised they were bidding for Villa. Alexis Sanchez is a much better bet for FFP.

[Abrak]

So where are we now a month into the window.

Well ManU are the ones that look like they have done something (and mostly good signings at that). It doesnt look as though they have stopped. Supposedly the refinancing of the PIKs created over an extra 80m of funds that werent there before plus of course they needed to spend. But it looks pretty scary.

Chelsea have done nothing of merit but they havent had a manager and if the dealings were up to Abromavich they should be worried. Their squad is quite weak in value so it makes it difficult to refinance. I suspect Abromavich is going for a last ditch CL effort over the next two years and then it will quieten down. Still it will depend on whether AVB gets a net 100m (no chance of FFP) or 25m and shuffle the squad.

City have been remarkably quiet partly I guess because Tevez situation has been uncertain. It is not clear they have to do a lot really, maybe a marquee signing. But they cant go all out for the league when they need to meet FFP and now they have reached CL they need to focus on getting to breakeven.

Spurs. Never know what they are up to. Seem to do the right things while talking garbage. Current plan sell 30m of deadwood and reinvest is pretty feeble but then again holding onto Modric and Bale forever is fairly heroic as an assumption. The general view that Harry is going to be around for a year and Levy is long term doesnt help. They have bags of value in their team but I dont see them spending big this time around and I think that might be very smart.

Arsenal are an enigma. A massive P+L where the profits go to paying down debt. A manager who has been incredibly successful but sulks because he is judged on trophies. A manager that says players are too expensive on one side so he wont buy a goalkeeper and then thinks Fabregas is undervalued so he sulks for a year. Probably my favorite manager about to have a mental breakdown.

Liverpool - massively active behind closed doors so nobody knows anything apart from the entire press. Players seem rather reluctant to join. And if they do sign someone he is overvalued and if they dont - they missed him. Signs that they are being put off by valuations like others. Interesting to see whether they will splash out the big spend expected.

[smokie36]

We're four days into the transfer window Abrak. Please get your facts right!

[carmine]

So where are we now a month into the window.

Well ManU are the ones that look like they have done something (and mostly good signings at that). It doesnt look as though they have stopped. Supposedly the refinancing of the PIKs created over an extra 80m of funds that werent there before plus of course they needed to spend. But it looks pretty scary.

Chelsea have done nothing of merit but they havent had a manager and if the dealings were up to Abromavich they should be worried. Their squad is quite weak in value so it makes it difficult to refinance. I suspect Abromavich is going for a last ditch CL effort over the next two years and then it will quieten down. Still it will depend on whether AVB gets a net 100m (no chance of FFP) or 25m and shuffle the squad.

City have been remarkably quiet partly I guess because Tevez situation has been uncertain. It is not clear they have to do a lot really, maybe a marquee signing. But they cant go all out for the league when they need to meet FFP and now they have reached CL they need to focus on getting to breakeven.

Spurs. Never know what they are up to. Seem to do the right things while talking garbage. Current plan sell 30m of deadwood and reinvest is pretty feeble but then again holding onto Modric and Bale forever is fairly heroic as an assumption. The general view that Harry is going to be around for a year and Levy is long term doesnt help. They have bags of value in their team but I dont see them spending big this time around and I think that might be very smart.

Arsenal are an enigma. A massive P+L where the profits go to paying down debt. A manager who has been incredibly successful but sulks because he is judged on trophies. A manager that says players are too expensive on one side so he wont buy a goalkeeper and then thinks Fabregas is undervalued so he sulks for a year. Probably my favorite manager about to have a mental breakdown.

Liverpool - massively active behind closed doors so nobody knows anything apart from the entire press. Players seem rather reluctant to join. And if they do sign someone he is overvalued and if they dont - they missed him. Signs that they are being put off by valuations like others. Interesting to see whether they will splash out the big spend expected.

If you read my post on our thread you'll see exactly where redknapps taking us. I'll need counselling if Levy does'nt step in or the CPS wins their case case in a couple of weeks. (Last i heard was he was looking to bring back Martin Chivers on a pay as you play basis and if Bale goes Tony Galvin's in the frame.)

Man Utd have done a solid job in this window and will look strong next season regardless of what anyone else does.

Fortunately Woolwich seem to be in all sorts of problems but frankly, its small consolation.

[smokie36]

So where are we now a month into the window.

Well ManU are the ones that look like they have done something (and mostly good signings at that). It doesnt look as though they have stopped. Supposedly the refinancing of the PIKs created over an extra 80m of funds that werent there before plus of course they needed to spend. But it looks pretty scary.

Chelsea have done nothing of merit but they havent had a manager and if the dealings were up to Abromavich they should be worried. Their squad is quite weak in value so it makes it difficult to refinance. I suspect Abromavich is going for a last ditch CL effort over the next two years and then it will quieten down. Still it will depend on whether AVB gets a net 100m (no chance of FFP) or 25m and shuffle the squad.

City have been remarkably quiet partly I guess because Tevez situation has been uncertain. It is not clear they have to do a lot really, maybe a marquee signing. But they cant go all out for the league when they need to meet FFP and now they have reached CL they need to focus on getting to breakeven.

Spurs. Never know what they are up to. Seem to do the right things while talking garbage. Current plan sell 30m of deadwood and reinvest is pretty feeble but then again holding onto Modric and Bale forever is fairly heroic as an assumption. The general view that Harry is going to be around for a year and Levy is long term doesnt help. They have bags of value in their team but I dont see them spending big this time around and I think that might be very smart.

Arsenal are an enigma. A massive P+L where the profits go to paying down debt. A manager who has been incredibly successful but sulks because he is judged on trophies. A manager that says players are too expensive on one side so he wont buy a goalkeeper and then thinks Fabregas is undervalued so he sulks for a year. Probably my favorite manager about to have a mental breakdown.

Liverpool - massively active behind closed doors so nobody knows anything apart from the entire press. Players seem rather reluctant to join. And if they do sign someone he is overvalued and if they dont - they missed him. Signs that they are being put off by valuations like others. Interesting to see whether they will splash out the big spend expected.

If you read my post on our thread you'll see exactly where redknapps taking us. I'll need counselling if Levy does'nt step in or the CPS wins their case case in a couple of weeks. (Last i heard was he was looking to bring back Martin Chivers on a pay as you play basis and if Bale goes Tony Galvin's in the frame.)

Man Utd have done a solid job in this window and will look strong next season regardless of what anyone else does.

Fortunately Woolwich seem to be in all sorts of problems but frankly, its small consolation.

Redknapp has gone tropo....since January its been getting worse as the day of reckoning approaches......

[StevieH]

We're four days into the transfer window Abrak. Please get your facts right!

glad you pointed that out as people are going more berserk than ever this year. think it's due to absence of a world cup or euro championships plus the rise of bloody twitter.

in fact, given the time zone difference and the fact that there was a weekend involved, there's actually only been 1 day of the transfer window so far. and that was a friday when everyone pisses off down the pub early.

[carmine]

We're four days into the transfer window Abrak. Please get your facts right!

glad you pointed that out as people are going more berserk than ever this year. think it's due to absence of a world cup or euro championships plus the rise of bloody twitter.

in fact, given the time zone difference and the fact that there was a weekend involved, there's actually only been 1 day of the transfer window so far. and that was a friday when everyone pisses off down the pub early.

Very true Stevie but i would point out that my gripe with he of the scrotum head stretches back to the beginning of the last transfer window.