Viagra

[Mapguy]

OK, guys, since several of you have commented on how it is that I think Viagra is similar to breast augmentation, I'll share my logic.

Both alter your bodies in ways that are potentially dangerous. Both alter your bodies in ways that are intended to be of interest to the opposite sex. Both are utilized by people with an element of vanity in their personalities. Both can serve to deceive the other person in a relationship. Except in the case of reconstructive surgery after breast cancer, both are done for recreational purposes.

Yet, whenever someone comes onto the forum asking about a good place in CM for breast augmentation surgery, they receive lectures about the evils of that procedure. I haven't seen similar postings about the potential dangers of Viagra.

The matter-of-fact way that you guys treat the use of Viagra has been a real eye-opener for me. This may be the same logic used by some insurance companies in my home country that will cover prescriptions for Viagra and not birth control pills.

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[heybruce]

OK, guys, since several of you have commented on how it is that I think Viagra is similar to breast augmentation, I'll share my logic.

Both alter your bodies in ways that are potentially dangerous. Both alter your bodies in ways that are intended to be of interest to the opposite sex. Both are utilized by people with an element of vanity in their personalities. Both can serve to deceive the other person in a relationship. Except in the case of reconstructive surgery after breast cancer, both are done for recreational purposes.

Yet, whenever someone comes onto the forum asking about a good place in CM for breast augmentation surgery, they receive lectures about the evils of that procedure. I haven't seen similar postings about the potential dangers of Viagra.

The matter-of-fact way that you guys treat the use of Viagra has been a real eye-opener for me. This may be the same logic used by some insurance companies in my home country that will cover prescriptions for Viagra and not birth control pills.

Comparing Viagra to breast enhancement is like comparing a beer to a tattoo; the effects of one is temporary and the other is permanent.

I do agree that an insurance plan that covers Viagra should cover birth control, after all, they're both largely used to enable recreational sex.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

OK, guys, since several of you have commented on how it is that I think Viagra is similar to breast augmentation, I'll share my logic.

Both alter your bodies in ways that are potentially dangerous. Both alter your bodies in ways that are intended to be of interest to the opposite sex. Both are utilized by people with an element of vanity in their personalities. Both can serve to deceive the other person in a relationship. Except in the case of reconstructive surgery after breast cancer, both are done for recreational purposes.

Yet, whenever someone comes onto the forum asking about a good place in CM for breast augmentation surgery, they receive lectures about the evils of that procedure. I haven't seen similar postings about the potential dangers of Viagra.

The matter-of-fact way that you guys treat the use of Viagra has been a real eye-opener for me. This may be the same logic used by some insurance companies in my home country that will cover prescriptions for Viagra and not birth control pills.

Can I go next!! Please pretty please... Ehm... : Allow me to explain how big shiny mag wheels is the same as adding nitrous oxide to an engine. ...

Ok, instead let's just go point by point:

> Both alter your bodies in ways that are potentially dangerous.

Viagra, obtained from a medical professional and a reputable brand (preferably Pfizer ) is not dangerous. You can also start with a smaller quantity just in case, say half or a third. It's also not permanent, doesn't require an operation, a hospital, etc, etc.

> Both alter your bodies in ways that are intended to be of interest to the opposite sex.

I think this is the main misconception: Viagra helps with the physics of it all, it doesn't cause arousal, not does it increase one's size appreciably. Many people report it reduces 'reload time' for another go, so hopefully that would be mutually pleasing, but the main purpose is really not cosmetic. If the goal is merely to aid arousal then 'beer' is cheaper and tastes better.

> Both are utilized by people with an element of vanity in their personalities.

See above; vanity doesn't enter into it. Adding big chrome colored mag wheels is a visual thing. Adding a turbocharger is more of a 'no words, but actions' kind of thing. It's not visible, but makes things work better.

> Both can serve to deceive the other person in a relationship.

I would say both are not deceiving. You add a turbocharger to a car and it goes faster. How is that deceiving anything. You add chromium wheels to a car and now it looks ridiculous. But it's still what it is.

> Yet, whenever someone comes onto the forum asking about a good place in CM for breast augmentation surgery, they receive lectures about the evils of that procedure.

Not from everyone surely. I would personally discourage a loved one from doing it, but that's personal opinion. There are cases where I would discourage Viaga use as well, such as dodgy stuff from Mae Sai.

> haven't seen similar postings about the potential dangers of Viagra.

Because there aren't any. This assumes people aren't so stupid as to pop multiple pills and without medical guidance. At least women by and large are smart enough not to ask if they should get breast implants from Mae Sai. You will have noticed some concerned posts about that just the same.

> The matter-of-fact way that you guys treat the use of Viagra has been a real eye-opener for me.

Great. Thaivisa.com scores again.

> This may be the same logic used by some insurance companies in my home country that will cover prescriptions for Viagra and not birth control pills.

Probably not in any way the same logic. Note that insurance companies will NOT allow claiming costs for recreational / non essential Viagra use. But if there is an impact on mental health then some may do it, if (and only if) prescribed by a doctor.

Edited July 3, 2011 by WinnieTheKhwai

[Julaluck]

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[CMX]

Sure Viagra is fake in a sense. I'm for it anyway.

I understand Viagra and its cousins have a clean research record. Their disadvantages are high prices. Certainly their use is principally for "recreational" purposes. Nothing bad in fun itself.

Where we get into health issues is with testosterone therapy, which has been the subject of an interminable thread.

It is true that using chemistry to delay the aging process can be seen as unnatural, and that these solutions do not delay aging in the sense of longevity. But few men would claim that they do not improve quality of life, however 'artificially.' In this sense they might be seen as pain relievers - or anti-depressants (which Viagra and similar actually can claim as an incidental benefit).

It well may be that me use them in order to "perform' for younger women and in that sense create a lower probability of lifelong relationships, though perhaps not.

A woman's chemistry is so complex that equivalents for women have not been developed and are not in sight (in spite of some early results). I am guessing here, but when the term 'hot gramma' comes into vogue, I think that men will spend more time looking for a sparkle in the eye than for implants.

As an aside, let me suggest that many men here will have discovered that a big female bust is not necessarily, as taught in the west, related to sensuality. The most accurate evaluation of legitimate and cooperative sensuality of a woman or a man is is tested by marriage.

Edited July 5, 2011 by CMX

[WinnieTheKhwai]

> A woman's chemistry is so complex that equivalents for women have not been developed and are not in sight

Huh?

Not arguing that a woman's chemistry is pretty complex, but the physics are pretty simple.

(It's just Newton, basically, and Amontons' law of friction. Between them they had this sorted by the 17th century. )

[WinnieTheKhwai]

Oh wait, we're talking 'arousal' now again right? Note that this is not what Viagra is for in men. If it causes arousal at all it's a placebo effect.

Either way, who needs any medical developments in this for women? Siam Winery got that one covered just fine.

[Ulysses G.]

A woman's chemistry is so complex that equivalents for women have not been developed and are not in sight...

That is probably because women do not need to get a stiffy - well most of them anyway.

[CMX]

I stand corrected: I was speaking about arousal rather than the V-effect and was off topic. I should have compared the chemistry of which I typed for women to the testosterony stuff.

Still, there is a loose parallel in chemical preparation for the sex act, which such gents as above have doubtless discovered. Get 'er drunk enough, if a workable suggestion, suggests that something is chemically altered - my point with regard to each gender.

But to tell the truth, I'm out of my element and only a long-term study on the scale of Masters and Johnson's could be truly informative regarding eventual female chemistry and orgasm involving chemical therapy. Of course, I'm suggesting that biological behaviors of male and female humans are universally and fundamentally different, though influenced by society's rules or standards.

Edited July 6, 2011 by CMX