Monks Teach Maleness To Thai 'Ladyboys'

[Nisa]

Both "the boonies" (boondocks) and 'Redneck" are originated in America.

The word boondocks was in reference to the Tagalog bundok mountain (out in the middle of nowhere / off the beaten path). There is not a sensible person in the US who would take this word to be elitist or derogatory.

I never said it was elitist or derogatory in the US.

Read again. (You do indeed have a tendency to twist which I've come across many a time).

EDIT to add: "in the US".

I'm twisting things????? When did I ever say you said it was derogatory in the US????? I was simply explaining how the word is used and taken in the US as well as it having an American origin. Though I probably stated this because you said something to the effect of it went beyond derogatory but looking back I see you were probably only speaking of the other term which I also explained the meaning of (but you deleted in your reply) in the US and that its origin was also American.

Edited July 18, 2011 by Scott

[Nisa]

You are trying hard to convert straight men to homosexuality but it won't work. I have never met a straight guy who has homosexual fantasies or a straight man who has had a homosexual liason. Just accept straight guys like women and do NOT long for a homosexual relationship. You can preach and try and convert straights but you are beating a very dead horse. You could even offer me a million bucks but I still wouldn't even look at a gay guy. You will not convert a straight just as the Monks will have extreem difficulty converting the lady boys

I'll have to disagree ... a million bucks, a couple Viagra and a case beer and I'll make passionate love to a dead squirrel in the road

[DumFarang]

3. Show me where I ever said, gay sex is more common than straight sex? I can't believe I ever said such a thing, I accuse you of BLATANT LYING. To make this clear to more clear minded people, I don't believe there is more gay sex going on than straight sex.

Jing, you did say something like this. I recall reading it as well. I'm not going to waste my time looking for it as it's futile and makes me dumber. You can find it yourself.

[ginjag]

softgeorge#350--nisa

Discussions are discussions but here clearly are strong self opinions, on some nerve ending truths jingthing has honestly tried to answer, others are merely arguing for arguing sake, and getting deeper involved into something they know little about.

If you are dead straight how on earth can you attempt to understand the feelings of a gay person, or even argue points on sensitive issues. Some things are reality like it or not, as in below that is fact-but suppose you will argue about fact.

I don't think in my opinion jingthing was trying to push the gay thing on to straight people, he was strong maybe because of the denial of posters that may well be fact in this world. I for one am still learning, and will never kick a persons point of view unless I'm sure it's rubbish.

Straight people do have sexual fantasies about all types of sex, How do you come to the conclusion they do not?? Quote WE straight people love women and women alone, whats your point in standing up for ALL straight men. Back in U.K. years ago long distant lorry drivers were one type that used to frequent toilets and other areas looking for a quick JOB (not all by a long way) then go back to their wives -they are the straights that like women alone. Pattaya is another point where it's a well known fact that business men Straight married-usual Bkk people go and take a boy out . we call that monkey business, these are some examples of straight men who like women only??

The thread said that 50% of the ladyboys were cured, (only 6 attended) they said they were cured--the ladyboys said they were cured==ONLY cause they wanted to get the hell out of there= and another poster suggested that ladyboys can be helped BACK with hormone treatment, sounding like a disorder.

A weight lifter having steroids and hormone treatment to give him more masculinity..fine until he stops it and his body returns to what it was-OR even in a worse state, agree there are exceptions

Edited July 18, 2011 by ginjag

[cdnvic]

Ok, next off topic post, comment on moderation or flame is earning the poster 3 days off. This is getting ridiculous. Post on topic from now on please.

[softgeorge]

softgeorge#350--nisa

Discussions are discussions but here clearly are strong self opinions, on some nerve ending truths jingthing has honestly tried to answer, others are merely arguing for arguing sake, and getting deeper involved into something they know little about.

If you are dead straight how on earth can you attempt to understand the feelings of a gay person, or even argue points on sensitive issues. Some things are reality like it or not, as in below that is fact-but suppose you will argue about fact.

I don't think in my opinion jingthing was trying to push the gay thing on to straight people, he was strong maybe because of the denial of posters that may well be fact in this world. I for one am still learning, and will never kick a persons point of view unless I'm sure it's rubbish.

Straight people do have sexual fantasies about all types of sex, How do you come to the conclusion they do not?? Quote WE straight people love women and women alone, whats your point in standing up for ALL straight men. Back in U.K. years ago long distant lorry drivers were one type that used to frequent toilets and other areas looking for a quick JOB (not all by a long way) then go back to their wives -they are the straights that like women alone. Pattaya is another point where it's a well known fact that business men Straight married-usual Bkk people go and take a boy out . we call that monkey business, these are some examples of straight men who like women only??

The thread said that 50% of the ladyboys were cured, (only 6 attended) they said they were cured--the ladyboys said they were cured==ONLY cause they wanted to get the hell out of there= and another poster suggested that ladyboys can be helped BACK with hormone treatment, sounding like a disorder.

A weight lifter having steroids and hormone treatment to give him more masculinity..fine until he stops it and his body returns to what it was-OR even in a worse state, agree there are exceptions

Ok you win, I am a stand alone and very unsual straight man because I like women alone, I have never been to a toilet block, never had sexual fantasies about homosexuals, or even had the desire to have a lady boy. I am not your usual hetrosexual man as I do not like enjoying the pleasures of the gay community. The monks nor anyone still will not change me to be a normal hetrosexual man who enjoys homosexual activities. The monks would still have a hard to instill this version of maleness on me. I'II just stay with women alone, wear the stigma of not being normal and stay a social outcast.

[Nisa]

another poster suggested that ladyboys can be helped BACK with hormone treatment, sounding like a disorder.

A weight lifter having steroids and hormone treatment to give him more masculinity..fine until he stops it and his body returns to what it was-OR even in a worse state, agree there are exceptions

Actually I was VERY clear in saying SOME ladyboy suffer from a disorder that can be treated with hormone therapy ... here (sources linked) http://en.wikipedia....order#Treatment

Gender identity disorder

(

GID

) is the formal diagnosis used by

psychologists

and

physicians

to describe persons who experience significant gender

dysphoria

(discontent with their biological

sex

and/or the

gender

they were assigned at birth).

Treatment

The

World Professional Association for Transgender Health

(WPATH, formerly HBIGDA)

Standards of Care

(Version 6 from 2001) are considered by some as definitive treatment guidelines for providers. Other Standards exist (see those discussed in

Standards of care for gender identity disorders

, including the guidelines outlined in Gianna Israel and Donald Tarver's classic 1997 book "Transgender Care". Several health clinics in the United States (e.g. Tom Waddell in San Francisco, Callen Lorde in New York City, Mazzoni in Philadelphia) have developed "

protocols

" for transgender hormone therapy following a "

harm reduction

" model which increasing numbers of providers have adopted. Nick Gorton et al. suggest a flexible approach based on harm reduction, "Willingness to provide hormonal therapy based on assessment of individual patients needs, history and situation with an overriding goal of achieving the best outcome for patients rather than rigidly adhering to arbitrary rules has been successful."

^[10]

Edit: Hormone Therapy is not at all an uncommon treatment for a number of things (including cancer) and yes for some conditions you need to take it the rest of your life as is the case with MANY drug therapies ... including drugs for diabetics and schizophrenia .

Edited July 18, 2011 by Nisa

[DumFarang]

another poster suggested that ladyboys can be helped BACK with hormone treatment, sounding like a disorder.

A weight lifter having steroids and hormone treatment to give him more masculinity..fine until he stops it and his body returns to what it was-OR even in a worse state, agree there are exceptions

Actually I was VERY clear in saying SOME ladyboy suffer from a disorder that can be treated with hormone therapy ... here, do a little research http://en.wikipedia....order#Treatment

Gender identity disorder

(

GID

) is the formal diagnosis used by

psychologists

and

physicians

to describe persons who experience significant gender

dysphoria

(discontent with their biological

sex

and/or the

gender

they were assigned at birth).

Treatment

The

World Professional Association for Transgender Health

(WPATH, formerly HBIGDA)

Standards of Care

(Version 6 from 2001) are considered by some as definitive treatment guidelines for providers. Other Standards exist (see those discussed in

Standards of care for gender identity disorders

, including the guidelines outlined in Gianna Israel and Donald Tarver's classic 1997 book "Transgender Care". Several health clinics in the United States (e.g. Tom Waddell in San Francisco, Callen Lorde in New York City, Mazzoni in Philadelphia) have developed "

protocols

" for transgender hormone therapy following a "

harm reduction

" model which increasing numbers of providers have adopted. Nick Gorton et al. suggest a flexible approach based on harm reduction, "Willingness to provide hormonal therapy based on assessment of individual patients needs, history and situation with an overriding goal of achieving the best outcome for patients rather than rigidly adhering to arbitrary rules has been successful."

^[10]

Edit: Hormone Therapy is not at all an uncommon treatment for a number of things (including cancer) and yes for some conditions you need to take it the rest of your life as is the case with MANY drug therapies ... including drugs for diabetics.

Seems logical. If some ladyboys take feminine hormones then why not the other way around?

[DumFarang]

Men who have sex with men

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Men who have sex with men (abbreviated as MSM, also known as males who have sex with males) are male persons who engage in sexual activity with members of the same sex, regardless of how they identify themselves; many men choose not to (or cannot for other reasons) accept sexual identities of homosexual or bisexual.[1][2][3][4][5] The term was created in the 1990s by epidemiologists in order to study the spread of disease among men who have sex with men, regardless of identity.[2]

MSM is often used in medical literature and social research to describe such men as a group for research studies without considering issues of self-identification.

Jingthing, I think if you read this carefully you'll realize that it doesn't support your assertion that MSM sex is practiced by homosexuals and straight men. This, simply put, does not make that claim. This quote says that for the purposes of studying MSM sex scientists began to find it easier to refer to it this way because, as it sounds to me, they wanted to bypass the insecurities of men practicing MSM sex who weren't ready to admit their sexual orientation. These scientists, by simply saying "MSM" could conduct their scientific studies and avoid sexual issues altogether, because their interest was not in confronting anybody with their homosexuality but, rather, conducting a study of diseases. It even says it's primarily a term used in the medical/scientific community.

If your misinterpretation here is the basis for everything you've said with "MSM" in it followed by something about sexual orientation I'm not sure there's much of a chance that I can now find it credible.

[Nisa]

<snip>

I am curious to know if you were this upset before reading posts here or if there were some poster(s) views who really rubbed you the wrong way? No need to say who but just am curious because I do believe gays & ladyboys should have equal rights but want to know (and make them aware) if some gays actually push people away with their views and comments towards heterosexuals.

PS. By the way, I snipped your post because I have a feeling it is going to get deleted because i think you may have pushed it a bit too far in terms of forum rules ... you might want to think about an edit.

Edited July 18, 2011 by Nisa

[SteeleJoe]

<snip>

I am curious to know if you were this upset before reading posts here or if there were some poster(s) views who really rubbed you the wrong way? No need to say who but just am curious because I do believe gays should have equal rights but want to know if some gays actually push people away with their views and comments towards heterosexuals.

PS. By the way, I snipped your post because I have a feeling it is going to get deleted because i think you may have pushed it a bit too far in terms of forum rules ... you might want to think about an edit.

Wow.

Textbook apologist. Yes, it's the person whom bigotry is directed towards that people are bigots...*

(And just "in terms of forum rules", eh?)

* reminds me of something elsewhere on the forum

[Nisa]

<snip>

I am curious to know if you were this upset before reading posts here or if there were some poster(s) views who really rubbed you the wrong way? No need to say who but just am curious because I do believe gays should have equal rights but want to know if some gays actually push people away with their views and comments towards heterosexuals.

PS. By the way, I snipped your post because I have a feeling it is going to get deleted because i think you may have pushed it a bit too far in terms of forum rules ... you might want to think about an edit.

Wow.

Textbook apologist. Yes, it's the person whom bigotry is directed towards that people are bigots...*

(And just "in terms of forum rules", eh?)

* reminds me of something elsewhere on the forum

Not sure I understand what you are trying to say but I get the feeling it is a slight towards me even though I made clear the reason for my question. But I will try to explain it a bit more ... As an intelligent person, I know I can learn from all sorts of people, even those I disagree with, and often try to understand the opposition (lack of a better word) to not only have a better understanding of their stand but also to better communicate with them and accomplish the change I seek and believe is right. It was clear this poster was venting emotionally and as an intelligent person, I know it made no sense to call him out on anything he said because his is upset but I did make clear (I believe) that mine and his views are not the same. In fact, I needed to read his post a couple times to see what he was saying and still not sure I fully understood except that he is upset at least in part by double standards and/or bowing to the homsexual community wishes as well as the whole PC issue ... regardless, he seem to vent his anger in a way that seemed to attack both the ladyboy and gay community as a whole.

Is it wrong to find out where his anger is coming forming or what is inflaming it? It is not like he was making some rational argument about massive amounts of straight men wanting gay sex. It was clear this person is angry and not looking for debate.

As for forum rules ... I don't think it will be God Commandments or any other powers beyond forum rules to get his post deleted ... if indeed it does violate the forum rules since as far as I can tell it doesn't violate any laws. I could care less what people say here and enjoy debating with people on off and on topic as well as taboo subjects but I don't make the rules here.

Edited July 18, 2011 by Nisa

[DumFarang]

Unbelievable discussion. So many people here really think that the monks can do something bad to poor ladyboys. It looks like homo apologets will be very happy to close all temples, convert monks to ladyboys, abolish religion and history and open gay saunas instead of temples, monasteries, museums, libraries and schools. Stalin and Mao were systematically destroying religion in their own countries as well. A direct parallel between commies and our present days homophiles come to mind. Their actions both are based on dicatorship. Dictators do not tolerate any sort of criticism to their address, same as homos do. They are not democrats as they are trying to represent but the most evil hypocritical dictators with Napoleon complexes. They are not sitting quietly in the corner, wanking, no, but, per contra, shouting on each bloody corner how proud they are to be screwed from behind by same sex ''partners'' , trying to convert everybody in this world in their vicious likeness. However, I am happy that these sort of people are still the minority in the society and I hope they will be.

Since when did any kind of MSM movement start to resemble anybody like Stalin or Mao? If anything, as described in the article about monks and ladyboys, it's the various MSM groups that have failed to gain proper recognition and have to find a place in a culture that doesn't really understand them. In your point above when you talk about squashing religion it's essentially the same thing as not properly recognizing a group, close anyway.

It's not like revolt or rebellion is anything new either. Groups that feel repressed and rise up go back farther than our recorded history. The current gay pride movement isn't any different really.

I have certain feelings on this issue that have been thoroughly expressed throughout this thread, but I can hardly agree that any kind of homosexual/MSM pride movement oppresses heterosexual people instead of the other way around.

[animatic]

Unbelievable discussion. So many people here really think that the monks can do something bad to poor ladyboys. It looks like homo apologets will be very happy to close all temples, convert monks to ladyboys, abolish religion and history and open gay saunas instead of temples, monasteries, museums, libraries and schools. Stalin and Mao were systematically destroying religion in their own countries as well. A direct parallel between commies and our present days homophiles come to mind. Their actions both are based on dicatorship. Dictators do not tolerate any sort of criticism to their address, same as homos do. They are not democrats as they are trying to represent but the most evil hypocritical dictators with Napoleon complexes. They are not sitting quietly in the corner, wanking, no, but, per contra, shouting on each bloody corner how proud they are to be screwed from behind by same sex ''partners'' , trying to convert everybody in this world in their vicious likeness. However, I am happy that these sort of people are still the minority in the society and I hope they will be.

Since when did any kind of MSM movement start to resemble anybody like Stalin or Mao? If anything, as described in the article about monks and ladyboys, it's the various MSM groups that have failed to gain proper recognition and have to find a place in a culture that doesn't really understand them. In your point above when you talk about squashing religion it's essentially the same thing as not properly recognizing a group, close anyway.

It's not like revolt or rebellion is anything new either. Groups that feel repressed and rise up go back farther than our recorded history. The current gay pride movement isn't any different really.

I have certain feelings on this issue that have been thoroughly expressed throughout this thread, but I can hardly agree that any kind of homosexual/MSM pride movement oppresses heterosexual people instead of the other way around.

DF ignore the obvious trolling.

[SteeleJoe]

Unbelievable discussion. So many people here really think that the monks can do something bad to poor ladyboys. It looks like homo apologets will be very happy to close all temples, convert monks to ladyboys, abolish religion and history and open gay saunas instead of temples, monasteries, museums, libraries and schools. Stalin and Mao were systematically destroying religion in their own countries as well. A direct parallel between commies and our present days homophiles come to mind. Their actions both are based on dicatorship. Dictators do not tolerate any sort of criticism to their address, same as homos do. They are not democrats as they are trying to represent but the most evil hypocritical dictators with Napoleon complexes. They are not sitting quietly in the corner, wanking, no, but, per contra, shouting on each bloody corner how proud they are to be screwed from behind by same sex ''partners'' , trying to convert everybody in this world in their vicious likeness. However, I am happy that these sort of people are still the minority in the society and I hope they will be.

Since when did any kind of MSM movement start to resemble anybody like Stalin or Mao? If anything, as described in the article about monks and ladyboys, it's the various MSM groups that have failed to gain proper recognition and have to find a place in a culture that doesn't really understand them. In your point above when you talk about squashing religion it's essentially the same thing as not properly recognizing a group, close anyway.

It's not like revolt or rebellion is anything new either. Groups that feel repressed and rise up go back farther than our recorded history. The current gay pride movement isn't any different really.

I have certain feelings on this issue that have been thoroughly expressed throughout this thread, but I can hardly agree that any kind of homosexual/MSM pride movement oppresses heterosexual people instead of the other way around.

DF ignore the obvious trolling.

Good advice. But credit to DF for integrity.

[luanghans]

It's not the child that needs re-education, rather both parents and teachers need a re-education of their Buddhist teachings

[cdnvic]

What part about stop flaming do you people not understand? Discuss the news story and no more calling each other bigots or apologists. There will be no more warnings.

[Jingthing]

3. Show me where I ever said, gay sex is more common than straight sex? I can't believe I ever said such a thing, I accuse you of BLATANT LYING. To make this clear to more clear minded people, I don't believe there is more gay sex going on than straight sex.

Jing, you did say something like this. I recall reading it as well. I'm not going to waste my time looking for it as it's futile and makes me dumber. You can find it yourself.

You're wrong and I'm not searching for you either, the nerve. You can find any kind of snippet and ignore the obvious CONTEXT and make it mean the OPPOSITE of what was actually communicated. It's an absurd thing to think when only 2 percent of the world is gay. I think you were confused by the discussion (VERY SPECIFIC!) that for MALE SEX WORKERS in most countries their MALE customers (gay sex) are more plentiful than their FEMALE customers. This comment is totally limited to the experience of MALE SEX WORKERS. How anyone can expand think to think I said anything even close to what you are suggesting I said is simply 100 percent false. I obviously never intended to expand that to ALL people. Repeat for hopefully the final time -- the discussion was ONLY about male sex workers and who their customers are.

Edited July 18, 2011 by Jingthing

[DumFarang]

3. Show me where I ever said, gay sex is more common than straight sex? I can't believe I ever said such a thing, I accuse you of BLATANT LYING. To make this clear to more clear minded people, I don't believe there is more gay sex going on than straight sex.

Jing, you did say something like this. I recall reading it as well. I'm not going to waste my time looking for it as it's futile and makes me dumber. You can find it yourself.

You're wrong and I'm not searching for you either, the nerve. You can find any kind of snippet and ignore the obvious CONTEXT and make it mean the OPPOSITE of what was actually communicated. It's an absurd thing to think when only 2 percent of the world is gay. I think you were confused by the discussion (VERY SPECIFIC!) that for MALE SEX WORKERS in most countries their MALE customers (gay sex) are more plentiful than their FEMALE customers. This comment is totally limited to the experience of MALE SEX WORKERS. How anyone can expand think to think I said anything even close to what you are suggesting I said is simply 100 percent false. I obviously never intended to expand that to ALL people. Repeat for hopefully the final time -- the discussion was ONLY about male sex workers and who their customers are.

Jing, this already got cleared up. The original poster who misquoted you recanted that statement, obviously negating mine as well by default. But, this isn't a very important issue anyway. However, I think my response to your Wiki quote about MSM is well in order.

[Nisa]

3. Show me where I ever said, gay sex is more common than straight sex? I can't believe I ever said such a thing, I accuse you of BLATANT LYING. To make this clear to more clear minded people, I don't believe there is more gay sex going on than straight sex.

Jing, you did say something like this. I recall reading it as well. I'm not going to waste my time looking for it as it's futile and makes me dumber. You can find it yourself.

You're wrong and I'm not searching for you either, the nerve. You can find any kind of snippet and ignore the obvious CONTEXT and make it mean the OPPOSITE of what was actually communicated. It's an absurd thing to think when only 2 percent of the world is gay. I think you were confused by the discussion (VERY SPECIFIC!) that for MALE SEX WORKERS in most countries their MALE customers (gay sex) are more plentiful than their FEMALE customers. This comment is totally limited to the experience of MALE SEX WORKERS. How anyone can expand think to think I said anything even close to what you are suggesting I said is simply 100 percent false. I obviously never intended to expand that to ALL people. Repeat for hopefully the final time -- the discussion was ONLY about male sex workers and who their customers are.

Not to continue with this off topic rant but you keep stating that only 2% of the population is gay but many or most experts put it around 9 to 10%. I'm guessing you are using numbers of what people are willing to admit (self identify).

Edit: to be more specific, the commonly accepted number is 10% of males and around 5% of females are homosexuals. Not sure on transsexuals but fairly confident the number is under 1%

Edited July 18, 2011 by Nisa

[Jingthing]

Jing, this already got cleared up. The original poster who misquoted you recanted that statement, obviously negating mine as well by default.

...

How bizarre. Then why did you bring it up to bother me about it again. Please post more carefully. What a waste of time.

Edited July 18, 2011 by Jingthing

[DumFarang]

How bizarre. Then why did you bring it up to bother me about it again. Please post more carefully. What a waste of time.

The misunderstanding was cleared up after both posts had been made Dr. Aggro.

And, you're noticeably quiet on the Wiki MSM thing. I'll refresh your memory.

Men who have sex with men

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Men who have sex with men (abbreviated as MSM, also known as males who have sex with males) are male persons who engage in sexual activity with members of the same sex, regardless of how they identify themselves; many men choose not to (or cannot for other reasons) accept sexual identities of homosexual or bisexual.[1][2][3][4][5] The term was created in the 1990s by epidemiologists in order to study the spread of disease among men who have sex with men, regardless of identity.[2]

MSM is often used in medical literature and social research to describe such men as a group for research studies without considering issues of self-identification.

Jingthing, I think if you read this carefully you'll realize that it doesn't support your assertion that MSM sex is practiced by homosexuals and straight men. This, simply put, does not make that claim. This quote says that for the purposes of studying MSM sex scientists began to find it easier to refer to it this way because, as it sounds to me, they wanted to bypass the insecurities of men practicing MSM sex who weren't ready to admit their sexual orientation. These scientists, by simply saying "MSM" could conduct their scientific studies and avoid sexual issues altogether, because their interest was not in confronting anybody with their homosexuality but, rather, conducting a study of diseases. It even says it's primarily a term used in the medical/scientific community.

If your misinterpretation here is the basis for everything you've said with "MSM" in it followed by something about sexual orientation I'm not sure there's much of a chance that I can now find it credible.

Edited July 18, 2011 by DumFarang

[cdnvic]

Ok, first posting bans have been handed out. Like I said would happen.

[Nisa]

It's not the child that needs re-education, rather both parents and teachers need a re-education of their Buddhist teachings

16 pages of posts and your one statement hits the nail on the head re: the news story.

[ginjag]

It's not the child that needs re-education, rather both parents and teachers need a re-education of their Buddhist teachings

16 pages of posts and your one statement hits the nail on the head re: the news story.

I'll go along with that, Live and let live, as long as the person is not trying to push their private wishes onto people who do not want them. If there is a case for someone who wants some guidance then it should be done professionally, NOT the wishes of parents or other.

the thread was o.k. until............................? as usual it was taken over. but for 6 young ladyboys, did I miss the ages of them? because of the number of posts I got lost.

[Nisa]

According to the story it says the temple is like any other temple where boys go to learn to be monks (isn't it like for only 1-month) except for on Friday where they address the fem boys.

Novice monks' days pass as in any other temple -- waking before dawn, collecting alms and studying Buddhism -- but every Friday attention turns to the katoeys at the attached school.

It then appears the only thing done in Friday is talking to them as a group to explain they are men and shouldn't be or act as women. Beyond this they simply ban them from wearing make-up. The more I review the story the more it sounds like a semi non-story.

My point is that after reading the story more carefully, it doesn't sound like this program is all that horrific but I still believe it is wrong, out of date and intolerant. But these kids need to be counseled and checked to see if their current ladyboy feelings are real, a temporary phase or a mental condition. They shouldn't be told it is simply wrong because sadly that may make some kids more determined who actually don't really have a gender identity problem but are simply acting out for other reasons.

And since the temple has been operating this program since 2008 and only have had 6 graduates (3 who went on to have sex changes) ... doesn't sound like it is all that popular. I just hope the three who went on to get sex changes were not motivated to do so out of rebellion for the monks program.

Edited July 18, 2011 by Nisa

[animatic]

Well oddly enough this headline appeared today.

http://www.freep.com...aving-sex-horse

Such a rare and bizarre thing and utterly ironic....

But he isn't into gay bestiality, he only does mares.

And as someone trollishly alleged earlier that letting

gays get married or go through life un-harassed,

would inevitably lead to the slippery slope of

bestiality, necrophilia and pedophile.

Well this guy did do a pony 10 years ago but that's not pedophilia.

Though this guys should be on a watch-list in horse country.

Seems his choice of housing tended to give him too much temptation...

And he seems to prefer his horses alive, if not kicking.

Such a strange coincidence this story appears now.

Of course the Bestiality Rainbow Marches will not be coming,

maybe a perp walk, but this guy seems to be pretty much

one in 310 million...hardly a trend setter.

I guess they need to send him to the monks

for retraining to prefer his species all the time

instead of most of the time...

Add irony icon.

Edited July 18, 2011 by animatic

[ginjag]

According to the story it says the temple is like any other temple where boys go to learn to be monks (isn't it like for only 1-month) except for on Friday where they address the fem boys.

Novice monks' days pass as in any other temple -- waking before dawn, collecting alms and studying Buddhism -- but every Friday attention turns to the katoeys at the attached school.

It then appears the only thing done in Friday is talking to them as a group to explain they are men and shouldn't be or act as women. Beyond this they simply ban them from wearing make-up. The more I review the story the more it sounds like a semi non-story.

My point is that after reading the story more carefully, it doesn't sound like this program is all that horrific but I still believe it is wrong, out of date and intolerant. But these kids need to be counseled and checked to see if their current ladyboy feelings are real, a temporary phase or a mental condition. They shouldn't be told it is simply wrong because sadly that may make some kids more determined who actually don't really have a gender identity problem but are simply acting out for other reasons.

And since the temple has been operating this program since 2008 and only have had 6 graduates (3 who went on to have sex changes) ... doesn't sound like it is all that popular. I just hope the three who went on to get sex changes were not motivated to do so out of rebellion for the monks program.

I would agree, only to me this is not the best place for them to be going to get advice, as the advisers are not in a position to advise only to listen and ask if they are sure thats how they truly feel. if they are mixed up they should be given the time to get to know their true feeling as some only feel sure at a later time than others.

It must be traumatic for a youngster to be pushed into things before they themselves are sure. I would think tolerance on the parents part -support and love is a better attitude. Most of all no matter what their sexual preference is they are still their child and loved for that reason, not rejected.

[USExpat]

I don't understand what this gender modification training has to do with Buddhism. More blowhard closet queens in orange trying to stop everybody else's rights to be who and what they want to be. Again Thailand proves that their unique taliban style of Buddhism will not tolerate anything but the party line.

How do you get Taliban out of this story???? If anything the families of these boys have sent them there, Monks don't go out kidnap and force them to comply and I did not see in the story about any boys being killed because they didn't comply. Please tell me how you came to this Taliban conclusion

[crazydrummerpauly]

"Pupils are banned from using perfume and make-up and prohibited from singing, playing music and running."

Oh pleeeeeze....priceless...... ...i tried combining running with drumming once but got all tangled -up in the cymbal-stands !

And anyway - who have they been running from in a wat eh ?