Working Online

[finy]

So how do all these people who stay in Thailand full time and work online actually make any money?

Do they use ebay and sell stuff?

Whats the best way to start a online buisness and live in Thailand.

Serious answers please.

[stacker10]

Whats the best way to start a online buisness and live in Thailand?

This questions have no answer and millions of answers.

well what do you know about internet?Do u have any ides what to sell or what to do?Do you know what SEO is?Do you know what a presta shop is?or os commerce?U need to know what u want to do.Internet is millions of things. I have friends that do SEO,running websites in Europe,affilates,chatsupport,building websites and so on.I do some of this things in Europe.

There is money to be made but like all in life,you need to know what u are doing.You can sure learn about all what I just said, use the internet to learn,i did, and still do.

[finy]

do you know where i can learn about SEO?

Is there enough money to be made to earn a good living in Thailand?

[stacker10]

just write SEO on google.Its a lot to read about but its no rocket sience,just hard and longtime work. but SEO is what u use to get your webiste/shop in the top of google. But if u want to work with that as SEO consultant?u have a lot to learn. just type seo school on google.

all is there for free.To make money on seo as business is not easy I think. U have to be good or why would any one hire u?If u want to start with small investmet,do afilate sites. u can build your own for free,look att wp or wordpress,its easy to make.what is good money?1000us

5000us?

U can make a living but like i said before u need to know what u want to do,If i want to be a car repairman, u need to know how to fix the cars, so u learn.I can recommend u to read this to get some idees http://www.pattaya-addicts.com/forum/topic/53437-how-to-make-money-online-so-you-can-live-in-thailand/ sorry mods i hope its ok to give the link like this?

[finy]

thanks, ill check out the link

how hard is it to get to the top of google?

do you have any sites at the top?

also, if i learn all this, how would you source work as a consultant? would you need a portfolio of websites at top of google as proof

[aneliane]

thanks, ill check out the link

how hard is it to get to the top of google?

do you have any sites at the top?

also, if i learn all this, how would you source work as a consultant? would you need a portfolio of websites at top of google as proof

I would not recommend it unless you are some kind of genius.

You don't learn SEO overnight

My ex took 3 years to make a living and was thinking of it constantly.

You don't separate work and private life, and never can have a break.

At the end he died of a heart attack which was not helped by all the stress, sitting around and eating out of carbon box

[robblok]

thanks, ill check out the link

how hard is it to get to the top of google?

do you have any sites at the top?

also, if i learn all this, how would you source work as a consultant? would you need a portfolio of websites at top of google as proof

I would not recommend it unless you are some kind of genius.

You don't learn SEO overnight

My ex took 3 years to make a living and was thinking of it constantly.

You don't separate work and private life, and never can have a break.

At the end he died of a heart attack which was not helped by all the stress, sitting around and eating out of carbon box

Aneliane, i think all business owners have a hard time separating private and business time. I know i do a business never stops for an employee work stops when they shut the doors of the office behind them. For a business owner it usually does not. That is why if you do it good the rewards are better then for normal workers (with some exceptions of course)

[stacker10]

its all about in what area.Ex viagra is very hard competionen to get and stay in the top, but maby selling shoes in big size from 44-55 is hardley any competion, ok not so many customer but u inderstand what I mean. Us alla the tools u can find from google, to find keywords and a lot of other useful stuff. google is like it or not the most importent thing u have to use.if u dont follow there rules u are out.ther is also a lot of programs out there and many have a free limited version so u can try them outf or seo.look here blackhatworld.com u can learn a lot of bad stuff (googles point)but also learn about white hat(google like)and in between(gray)

read different forums ex didgitalpoint.com and others what they talk about. become a member in many forums in your area of intrested. they will help u.I always go some forum to ask the most stupid questions i have sometimes and i always get a answer.it will only cost u time to start with.dropshiping is one way to go, the supplier ship it for u and u doing the sales. good forums for that is dropshipforum.uk i think it was,u find it on google.

[stacker10]

thanks, ill check out the link

how hard is it to get to the top of google?

do you have any sites at the top?

also, if i learn all this, how would you source work as a consultant? would you need a portfolio of websites at top of google as proof

I would not recommend it unless you are some kind of genius.

You don't learn SEO overnight

My ex took 3 years to make a living and was thinking of it constantly.

You don't separate work and private life, and never can have a break.

At the end he died of a heart attack which was not helped by all the stress, sitting around and eating out of carbon box

agree, to start as fulltime seo u need to be very very good and that takes time. but hey are u still young start.I started my first shop on internet when i whas more then 44,I made money ever since then(soon 49)NOT in SEO, I sell on internet to consumers.

[skate1047]

This could be a back and forth conversation for a long, LONG time with very little explained.

You can make a LOT of money online - with internet marketing. SEO is just one facet of it all.

The best thing you can do is goto warriorforum (dot) com. Make a user name and stroll through.

They have very cheap courses if you finally decide to focus on one thing (MAKE SURE YOU ONLY FOCUS ON ONE THING!!) there is so much information out there alot of people get stuck in a state of learning rather then actually doing and don't make any money!!

You can PM me if you want to know more.

Good luck,

James

Actually I just sent you a PM - I work full-time as an internet marketer and I could use somebody eager to learn.

Edited August 13, 2011 by skate1047

[Soutpeel]

I the one thing I dont see addressed is how all the budding internet business men and women, deal with getting a Thai WP......

I would assume the people offering advice here all have legal Thai companies and valid work permits ?...

I thought gambling.... even on line was illegal in Thailand...

[chops]

Making money online is very hard. For most, it is a pie in the sky fantasy that will never work.

[Soutpeel]

I the one thing I dont see addressed is how all the budding internet business men and women, deal with getting a Thai WP......

I would assume the people offering advice here all have legal Thai companies and valid work permits ?...

I thought gambling.... even on line was illegal in Thailand...

Is this not the actual principal of it all ? You gamble in "rich" countries websites (US/Europe), so technically the gamble does not take place here.

Not debating the principle.....its the legallty, and believe (and stand to be corrected) that its illegal in Thailand

Similar principle applies to work permits, in principle people working on line from Thailand could believe they are not working in Thailand because money is earned in "another" country but in reality under the defintion of the law and certainly Phuket immigration...you are working illegally without a WP

Edited August 13, 2011 by Soutpeel

[aneliane]

Making money online is very hard. For most, it is a pie in the sky fantasy that will never work.

I agree and nowadays you have to compete with Indians who all seem to be IT wizzards and ready to do SEO wonders for a dollar an hour.

Just have a look at Freelancer.com, SEO expert rates are so low nowadays.

Edited August 13, 2011 by aneliane

[Cuban]

For a subject that assumes a degree of internet awareness if not a related Degree, the OP seems not to have considered that this subject has been raised before and in fact covered in some depth in previous threads.

I forget the name of the site I'm thinking off, but it's a market place for on-line work. Often short limited tasks easy to do and earn a few $. Although you are competing against IT aware people in "developing" nations with pretty good skill sets and English as a second language. Your biggest issue will be the rate you need to charge to pay for your PC, internet and fan before you start earning enough to put food on the table and a beer in the fridge.

I have friends that have done this, make a little money, but it is not their main income stream.

[robblok]

I the one thing I dont see addressed is how all the budding internet business men and women, deal with getting a Thai WP......

I would assume the people offering advice here all have legal Thai companies and valid work permits ?...

I thought gambling.... even on line was illegal in Thailand...

Yes get a WP employ 5 thais on paper (only on paper as advised by legal companies ) is also illegal. Then you cant even have 100% Of the shares in your own company. Yes its real easy to get a WP. Its almost impossible that is why most don't. Also the chances of the police checking you and proving your working are practically zero. Unless you receive your money on a Thai bank.

I once asked if getting money from internet marketing (people clicking on your site and you receive profits from that) was working. The officials told me it was not, but it would be working if you were improving on the site. But they admitted it was hard to check and they would not even bother to check that.

[aneliane]

I the one thing I dont see addressed is how all the budding internet business men and women, deal with getting a Thai WP......

I would assume the people offering advice here all have legal Thai companies and valid work permits ?...

I thought gambling.... even on line was illegal in Thailand...

Is this not the actual principal of it all ? You gamble in "rich" countries websites (US/Europe), so technically the gamble does not take place here.

Not debating the principle.....its the legallty, and believe (and stand to be corrected) that its illegal in Thailand

Similar principle applies to work permits, in principle people working on line from Thailand could believe they are not working in Thailand because money is earned in "another" country but in reality under the defintion of the law and certainly Phuket immigration...you are working illegally without a WP

Yes Soutpeel but whatever the law is in Thailand, if the website is registered in another country, it's not a concern for THL and your are not breaking any law, it's the other country's law that applies.

As for "working" in THL and immigration it's a different story

[Soutpeel]

Yes Soutpeel but whatever the law is in Thailand, if the website is registered in another country, it's not a concern for THL and your are not breaking any law, it's the other country's law that applies.

As far as I am aware, if you are using a Thai ISP to access said website, you are actually breaking the law in Thailand and can be proscuted uner Thai law...

But if you are aware of the actual Thai legislation which offers a definitive answer please feel free to post...

[DP25]

If online marketing doesn't work out there's always craigslist manwhore to fall back on

[Beetlejuice]

My serious answer to the OP and other people considering living in Thailand is:

If the only way you are able to stay in Thailand is by trying to scratch out a living, either online or doing anything else, then it is in your best interests not to make plans for a long term stay and come over for a short holiday every year instead.

As for online businesses, it would be wise to start this in your own country first and see if it successful or not.

[skate1047]

Making money online is very hard. For most, it is a pie in the sky fantasy that will never work.

I agree and nowadays you have to compete with Indians who all seem to be IT wizzards and ready to do SEO wonders for a dollar an hour.

Just have a look at Freelancer.com, SEO expert rates are so low nowadays.

Not to argue - but this isn't correct. It takes the right knowledge and a ton of action. SEO once again is only ONE facet of the internet marketing game.

There's social media marketing, pay-per-click, pay-per-view, video marketing, article marketing... blah blah blah.

People either...

Get caught up in either making no money in the first couple months and quit.

Get caught up in all the information on how to market online and never get out of a state of learning - suffering from information overload.

Find a method that works - run with it, put it into action and become successful with it.

I know this because for about the past year I've learned a million things that did nothing but get in the way of creating an income out of an online biz model. Once I realized this I made the proper adjustments and I'm working full-time in my home country poised to move back to Thailand sometime in the spring.

This isn't impossible to do. Just get out of your own head and get it done!!

Good Luck To All!!

BTW.. Alot of people looking to get work done on sites like elance are often looking for people who speak english as a first language - since it can be frustrating trying to explain what you want done and it's not getting through to the person.. So, if that sounds like you - don't think you're going to be pardoned by a growing force of talented outsourcers from India!!

[DLock]

Making money on the Internet is not easy...although once you are making money on the Internet, you do tend to say it is easier than it was to actually get there.

Those making money, like me, have found niches that worked for them - a little piece of Internet world where they have the knowledge, products, skills or interest to make it work over time - and time is the key variable. It takes time to make real money consistently on the Net. Years, not months.

My advice is to focus on what you know first. Think about how you can monetize it and then work hard to that goal. Your initial plan with morph and change as you see opportunities and ideas and what others are doing, to the point that your final business may have little in common with your initial plan. Build the best website you can. Look bigger and more professional than you actually are. Be responsive and timely.

Start it in your spare time, rather than rely on it.

Good Luck...

[Moonrakers]

Making money on the Internet is not easy...although once you are making money on the Internet, you do tend to say it is easier than it was to actually get there.

Those making money, like me, have found niches that worked for them - a little piece of Internet world where they have the knowledge, products, skills or interest to make it work over time - and time is the key variable. It takes time to make real money consistently on the Net. Years, not months.

My advice is to focus on what you know first. Think about how you can monetize it and then work hard to that goal. Your initial plan with morph and change as you see opportunities and ideas and what others are doing, to the point that your final business may have little in common with your initial plan. Build the best website you can. Look bigger and more professional than you actually are. Be responsive and timely.

Start it in your spare time, rather than rely on it.

Good Luck...

Good post.

I discovered that I can write, so I've made a career as a copywriter. Not sure exactly where that will take me yet because it has opened so many doors for me. How things turns out depend on how events develop and evolve.

[zzaa09]

I discovered that I can write, so I've made a career as a copywriter. Not sure exactly where that will take me yet because it has opened so many doors for me. How things turns out depend on how events develop and evolve.

The publishing, academic, scholarship, and literary world can indeed open quite a few miltiple doors.....certainly online.

[Moonrakers]

I discovered that I can write, so I've made a career as a copywriter. Not sure exactly where that will take me yet because it has opened so many doors for me. How things turns out depend on how events develop and evolve.

The publishing, academic, scholarship, and literary world can indeed open quite a few miltiple doors.....certainly online.

It's a skill/talent the you either have or you don't.

Most people don't so those that do are in demand. There are many other skills that can be utilized online that are in demand

Edited August 13, 2011 by Moonrakers

[tolsti]

I discovered that I can write, so I've made a career as a copywriter. Not sure exactly where that will take me yet because it has opened so many doors for me. How things turns out depend on how events develop and evolve.

The publishing, academic, scholarship, and literary world can indeed open quite a few miltiple doors.....certainly online.

You do need however, to learn to spell.

Edited August 13, 2011 by tolsti

[Lite Beer]

A number of posts discussing an illegal activity have been deleted.

16) Not to post about gambling, betting, pornography, illegal drugs, fake goods/clothing etc and other activities that are officially illegal in Thailand.

[Geekfreaklover]

Making money on the Internet is not easy...although once you are making money on the Internet, you do tend to say it is easier than it was to actually get there.

Those making money, like me, have found niches that worked for them - a little piece of Internet world where they have the knowledge, products, skills or interest to make it work over time - and time is the key variable. It takes time to make real money consistently on the Net. Years, not months.

My advice is to focus on what you know first. Think about how you can monetize it and then work hard to that goal. Your initial plan with morph and change as you see opportunities and ideas and what others are doing, to the point that your final business may have little in common with your initial plan. Build the best website you can. Look bigger and more professional than you actually are. Be responsive and timely.

Start it in your spare time, rather than rely on it.

Good Luck...

Good post.

I discovered that I can write, so I've made a career as a copywriter. Not sure exactly where that will take me yet because it has opened so many doors for me. How things turns out depend on how events develop and evolve.

Good for you.

I did the copywriting thing for a while and found it interesting, but sometimes very dull work depending on the topic and the research involved. If you can write and are looking at a longer project then ebooks are a good source of revenue if you write something that a publisher is interested in promoting well. Many people are going the self-publishing kindle route, but that is a tough market unless you really do find a niche. I have a few ebooks out and they all make a little money each month.

eBay was great about five- ten years ago, before the crash. At one point I had several accounts and a number of employees, business set up work permit etc. Now I would imagine it to be very difficult to compete with exchange rates as they are and people generally not having enough money. But if you hit on the right product and are prepared to move onto selling a different product once other sellers copy and undercut you then it is worth looking into. The key is to hit the market hard and fast and then diversify.

I've just started dabbling with the website / adsense thing and the advice given above is spot on. Find a niche in a market which you have knowledge and are interested in and build the site or the blog. Update daily.

Lots of ways to make money but the key is to find something that you are interested in rather than doing it just to make money.

And don't put all your eggs in one basket.

GFL.

[finy]

Thanks guys

I think I will give affiliate marketing a go.

Ive been reading up on it and I think i'll build a wordpress website and see what happens.

I will probably outsource my SEO until i study it. I will also outsource article writing as I cant spell lol

Where can I find a good copywriter that can write me a few articles about Thailand?

[robblok]

Thanks guys

I think I will give affiliate marketing a go.

Ive been reading up on it and I think i'll build a wordpress website and see what happens.

I will probably outsource my SEO until i study it. I will also outsource article writing as I cant spell lol

Where can I find a good copywriter that can write me a few articles about Thailand?

Too be honest if you outsource too much you probably wont make any money. Articles need to be new and fresh all the time to attract people to your site.