UDD Red-Shirts To Hold Anti-Coup Rally In Bangkok 18 Sep

[webfact]

UDD to hold anti-coup rally on 18 Sep

BANGKOK, 15 September 2011 (NNT) – The United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) is prepared to demonstrate at the Democracy Monument on 18 September to commemorate the fifth anniversary of the 2006 coup d’état.

Acting UDD Chairperson Thida Thawornset announced that the group would stage a gathering on 18 September at the Democracy Monument on the occasion of the fifth anniversary of the 2006 coup that toppled the Thaksin Shinawatra administration.

She expressed her wish to see as many supporters as possible, saying the event would aim to make a stance against coup d’états and to inform the world of their damages in political, economic and social aspects.

During the rally, Ms Thida revealed that speeches would be made on stage, mainly revolving around the necessity to revise the 2007 Constitution.

At the same time, the group will call on the Government to double-check the petition signed by three million UDD supporters for royal amnesty for ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra before its submission and also to release 40 UDD members currently kept in prisons across the country.

-- NNT 2011-09-15

[siampolee]

At the same time, the group will call on the Government to double-check the petition signed by three million UDD supporters for royal amnesty for ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra before its submission and also to release 40 UDD members currently kept in prisons across the country.

An interesting comment. Perhaps there are members of the U.D.D. who are not really in favour of Thaksins return as their political agenda is at odds with Thaksins political agenda. No doubt a double check of all signatures would indeed slow down the pardon process.

Indeed, " Politicians make strange bedfellows."

Edited September 15, 2011 by siampolee

[rubl]

She expressed her wish to see as many supporters as possible, saying the event would aim to make a stance against coup d’états and to inform the world of their damages in political, economic and social aspects.

Nobel cause, but aren't there real issues which should be addressed? Social inequality? Decent salary levels? Healthy ecological environment? Flood prevention by planting lots of trees?

Rallying at Democracy Monument is fun and like party time, but apart from that ?

[ginjag]

She expressed her wish to see as many supporters as possible, saying the event would aim to make a stance against coup d'états and to inform the world of their damages in political, economic and social aspects.

Nobel cause, but aren't there real issues which should be addressed? Social inequality? Decent salary levels? Healthy ecological environment? Flood prevention by planting lots of trees?

Rallying at Democracy Monument is fun and like party time, but apart from that ?

A totally SICK get together, Better most of them get working for a living, instead of all this <deleted>.

[siampolee]

Sorry Rubl

I have to disagree with you on this one, below is the true agenda of the U.D.D

[hanuman1]

It will be interesting to see what kind of turnout they get.

I suspect it won't be many, unlike the pre-election rallies when protesters were energized by the desire to get rid of the Dems, whose presence in the seat of power they considered to be the expression of the old establishment meddling in politics.

This may be the first time post-election we - and the PTP - get to see how much popular support the red shirts can mobilize now their old cause-celebre is defunct.

No doubt if the numbers are high, many on this forum will say Thaksin paid for it, if they are low they'll say Thaksin has deserted them. An anti-Thaksin explanation for all eventualities.

But as usual, this would be a diversion from the fact that the red shirts are a distinct group with their own ideology and the numbers they attract at rallies - particularly in Bangkok - are as much a reflection of the general sympathy people have with their cause as any other factor.

Edited September 15, 2011 by hanuman1

[Buchholz]

Won't be much of a Red Shirt rally when the Red Shirt Leaders (Jatuporn Promphan, Veera Musigapong, Natthawut Saikua, Korkaew Pikulthong, Kwanchai Praipana, and Yoswalit Chooklom) as well as Thida's husband and Red Shirt Leader Weng Tojirakarn are all off to Cambodia to play football on that day.

.

[ginjag]

It will be interesting to see what kind of turnout they get.

I suspect it won't be many, unlike the pre-election rallies when protesters were energized by the desire to get rid of the Dems, whose presence in the seat of power they considered to be the expression of the old establishment meddling in politics.

This may be the first time post-election we - and the PTP - get to see how much popular support the red shirts can mobilize now their old cause-celebre is defunct.

No doubt if the numbers are high, many on this forum will say Thaksin paid for it, if they are low they'll say Thaksin has deserted them. An anti-Thaksin explanation for all eventualities.

But as usual, this would be a diversion from the fact that the red shirts are a distinct group with their own ideology and the numbers they attract at rallies - particularly in Bangkok - are as much a reflection of the general sympathy people have with their cause as any other factor.

Sorry to say this == it's all an excuse for not working to my mind, all these impoverished hard working people, can find the time for another excuse of a get together-- They are voted in -so get on with it people get to work and press your elected cronies to pay up--NOW the 300bht promised, maybe you all will be rich in 6 months makes the nutters believe and can afford the time from work and family to demonstrate their power again-stupid.

[rubl]

It will be interesting to see what kind of turnout they get.

I suspect it won't be many, unlike the pre-election rallies when protesters were energized by the desire to get rid of the Dems, whose presence in the seat of power they considered to be the expression of the old establishment meddling in politics.

This may be the first time post-election we - and the PTP - get to see how much popular support the red shirts can mobilize now their old cause-celebre is defunct.

No doubt if the numbers are high, many on this forum will say Thaksin paid for it, if they are low they'll say Thaksin has deserted them. An anti-Thaksin explanation for all eventualities.

But as usual, this would be a diversion from the fact that the red shirts are a distinct group with their own ideology and the numbers they attract at rallies - particularly in Bangkok - are as much a reflection of the general sympathy people have with their cause as any other factor.

The red-shirts are not a distinct group, but various groups wearing this distinct red color shirt. The UDD which organises this particular rally is strictly speaking but one of the various factions. The loudest one, but only one. Also the one with the closest links to government, Pheu Thai and k. Thaksin, what with all those UDD leaders being MPs. Not that that really matters, rallies are fun what ever faction you are from.

The 'May 19th' rally will always be on May 19th, but this particular rally can be on any 'convenient' day. Monday 19th would cause traffic problems, and Sunday 18th is much more convenient for red-shirts in Bangkok. Fun was had by all

Edited September 15, 2011 by rubl

[rubl]

Won't be much of a Red Shirt rally when the Red Shirt Leaders (Jatuporn Promphan, Veera Musigapong, Natthawut Saikua, Korkaew Pikulthong, Kwanchai Praipana, and Yoswalit Chooklom) as well as Thida's husband and Red Shirt Leader Weng Tojirakarn are all off to Cambodia to play football on that day.

.

Please pay attention, my dear chap. On the day of the rally a few UDD MPs are in Cambodia 'organising' the match. Playing the match will be on the 24th, that's the week after

[moe666]

Big too do about nothing, staying in the spot light as it has shifted to the ptp in office

[scorecard]

She expressed her wish to see as many supporters as possible, saying the event would aim to make a stance against coup d’états and to inform the world of their damages in political, economic and social aspects.

Nobel cause, but aren't there real issues which should be addressed? Social inequality? Decent salary levels? Healthy ecological environment? Flood prevention by planting lots of trees?

Rallying at Democracy Monument is fun and like party time, but apart from that ?

Will be interesting to read the transcript of the detailed and insightful speeches on: "...... a stance against coup d’états and to inform the world of their damages in political, economic and social aspects." I look forward to it.

Wonder what the 'attendance payment' is?

Wonder who will give these speeches, thida's husband and numerous red leaders and followers will be in Cambodia arranging a football match, wonder who else they will meet.

Who from the government including the numerous red 'secretaries', 'advisers', and 'aids' is focusing on the devastating wide spread floods?

Edited September 15, 2011 by scorecard

[Nisa]

UDD to hold anti-coup rally on 18 Sep

Edited September 15, 2011 by Nisa

[Buchholz]

Won't be much of a Red Shirt rally when the Red Shirt Leaders (Jatuporn Promphan, Veera Musigapong, Natthawut Saikua, Korkaew Pikulthong, Kwanchai Praipana, and Yoswalit Chooklom) as well as Thida's husband and Red Shirt Leader Weng Tojirakarn are all off to Cambodia to play football on that day.

.

Please pay attention, my dear chap. On the day of the rally a few UDD MPs are in Cambodia 'organising' the match. Playing the match will be on the 24th, that's the week after

Some of them are leaving today which is the beginning of their bail dates.

I'm sure they will miss the chance to scream vitriol in Bangkok, but maybe they can in their footie match.

While not all of the Red Shirt Leaders were able to become Members of Parliament, there is a brood of them (if that's the proper collective noun) present in the House.

.

Edited September 15, 2011 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

thida's husband and numerous red leaders and followers will be in Cambodia arranging a football match, wonder who else they will meet.

These support cast members will meet the main actors of the play

[hammered]

It will be interesting to see what kind of turnout they get.

I suspect it won't be many, unlike the pre-election rallies when protesters were energized by the desire to get rid of the Dems, whose presence in the seat of power they considered to be the expression of the old establishment meddling in politics.

This may be the first time post-election we - and the PTP - get to see how much popular support the red shirts can mobilize now their old cause-celebre is defunct.

No doubt if the numbers are high, many on this forum will say Thaksin paid for it, if they are low they'll say Thaksin has deserted them. An anti-Thaksin explanation for all eventualities.

But as usual, this would be a diversion from the fact that the red shirts are a distinct group with their own ideology and the numbers they attract at rallies - particularly in Bangkok - are as much a reflection of the general sympathy people have with their cause as any other factor.

I think that is right and also that tactically it is good to be small as PTP are in power and there are lots of people sick of street protest and who just want it to go away. At some point an establishment organized lengthy protest against PTP is likely to hit the streets and PTP and the reds will want the "sick of it group" to turn on this.

[rubl]

It will be interesting to see what kind of turnout they get.

I suspect it won't be many, unlike the pre-election rallies when protesters were energized by the desire to get rid of the Dems, whose presence in the seat of power they considered to be the expression of the old establishment meddling in politics.

This may be the first time post-election we - and the PTP - get to see how much popular support the red shirts can mobilize now their old cause-celebre is defunct.

No doubt if the numbers are high, many on this forum will say Thaksin paid for it, if they are low they'll say Thaksin has deserted them. An anti-Thaksin explanation for all eventualities.

But as usual, this would be a diversion from the fact that the red shirts are a distinct group with their own ideology and the numbers they attract at rallies - particularly in Bangkok - are as much a reflection of the general sympathy people have with their cause as any other factor.

I think that is right and also that tactically it is good to be small as PTP are in power and there are lots of people sick of street protest and who just want it to go away. At some point an establishment organized lengthy protest against PTP is likely to hit the streets and PTP and the reds will want the "sick of it group" to turn on this.

We can't have copycats, now can we? Heaven forbid they'd even try to protest on the very site where our martyrs died, the holy spot of Ratchaprasong. The very thought makes me want to put on my red shirt and ... ... ...

[givenall]

You know if you talk about something long time and often itusually will come true

[dude007]

Do these red shirts have nothing else to do than to rally? Seems to me that they start liking the income from it... Cut the source and it wil be quiet again!

[djlest]

The plan is this...

Now the current GOV is IN...

and the attacks and contradictions and lies that they cannot deliver will start to become evident

The reds are brought back in - as the brainwashing and aggressive factor - to keep rallying while the gov is in - to prevent the gov from losing power... and to ensure that if there is a COUP - the reds will be stong enough to fight on the streets again, all in the name of a peaceful protest and democracy of course...

Its so blatently obvious... and not suprising anymore...

Taksin wants his finger in the pie again

And wants to ensure his sister doesnt get kicked out before...

Just wait until we see more demonstrations blocking the streets, reducing the business sector, and making a fuss about, well... certainly nothing that actually helps thailand.

Edited September 15, 2011 by djlest

[backtonormal]

She expressed her wish to see as many supporters as possible, saying the event would aim to make a stance against coup d'états and to inform the world of their damages in political, economic and social aspects.

Nobel cause, but aren't there real issues which should be addressed? Social inequality? Decent salary levels? Healthy ecological environment? Flood prevention by planting lots of trees?

Rallying at Democracy Monument is fun and like party time, but apart from that ?

Social inequalities are caused solely by those people who order the coups because they want to keep those social inequalities

[phiphidon]

She expressed her wish to see as many supporters as possible, saying the event would aim to make a stance against coup d'états and to inform the world of their damages in political, economic and social aspects.

Nobel cause, but aren't there real issues which should be addressed? Social inequality? Decent salary levels? Healthy ecological environment? Flood prevention by planting lots of trees?

Rallying at Democracy Monument is fun and like party time, but apart from that ?

Will be interesting to read the transcript of the detailed and insightful speeches on: "...... a stance against coup d'états and to inform the world of their damages in political, economic and social aspects." I look forward to it.

Wonder what the 'attendance payment' is?

Wonder who will give these speeches, thida's husband and numerous red leaders and followers will be in Cambodia arranging a football match, wonder who else they will meet.

Who from the government including the numerous red 'secretaries', 'advisers', and 'aids' is focusing on the devastating wide spread floods?

"Who from the government including the numerous red 'secretaries', 'advisers', and 'aids' is focusing on the devastating wide spread floods?"

Well unless the numerous red 'secretaries', 'advisers', and 'aides' work in the Interior Ministry or more specifically with Srisombat Pornprasit, the department deputy chief of Disaster Prevention and Mitigation Department, I don't think they will be focusing on the floods as it is nothing to do with them. What the DPMM will be doing will be something along the lines of what has been done before as shown by these reports My link.

Contrary to popular opinion I don't think you will find that the entire government will down tools and go to Cambodia to support their favourite football team or attend the rally at the Monument for Democracy, no matter how much "fun" we are told it will be (shades of Kasit there Rubl, you been dusting off that old shirt?)

[backtonormal]

The plan is this...

Now the current GOV is IN...

and the attacks and contradictions and lies that they cannot deliver will start to become evident

The reds are brought back in - as the brainwashing and aggressive factor - to keep rallying while the gov is in - to prevent the gov from losing power... and to ensure that if there is a COUP - the reds will be stong enough to fight on the streets again, all in the name of a peaceful protest and democracy of course...

Its so blatently obvious... and not suprising anymore...

Taksin wants his finger in the pie again

And wants to ensure his sister doesnt get kicked out before...

Just wait until we see more demonstrations blocking the streets, reducing the business sector, and making a fuss about, well... certainly nothing that actually helps thailand.

I'll have whatever your drinking. Not one fact present just tripe

[backtonormal]

It will be interesting to see what kind of turnout they get.

I suspect it won't be many, unlike the pre-election rallies when protesters were energized by the desire to get rid of the Dems, whose presence in the seat of power they considered to be the expression of the old establishment meddling in politics.

This may be the first time post-election we - and the PTP - get to see how much popular support the red shirts can mobilize now their old cause-celebre is defunct.

No doubt if the numbers are high, many on this forum will say Thaksin paid for it, if they are low they'll say Thaksin has deserted them. An anti-Thaksin explanation for all eventualities.

But as usual, this would be a diversion from the fact that the red shirts are a distinct group with their own ideology and the numbers they attract at rallies - particularly in Bangkok - are as much a reflection of the general sympathy people have with their cause as any other factor.

I think that is right and also that tactically it is good to be small as PTP are in power and there are lots of people sick of street protest and who just want it to go away. At some point an establishment organized lengthy protest against PTP is likely to hit the streets and PTP and the reds will want the "sick of it group" to turn on this.

I can agree with you to some degree but as everyday passes with PT being in office I find it less likely Sondhi and the geriactric clappers will appear. Fundings been cut and Sondhi's 'done one', look at ASTV now it resembles a shopping channel. The old money will not let go easy but geriactrics on the streets again, I think unlikely. They may have to create a situation (maybe fire grenades or assasinate someone) who knows but they are brazen enough not to care what the world thinks.

[Colin Yai]

She expressed her wish to see as many supporters as possible, saying the event would aim to make a stance against coup d'états and to inform the world of their damages in political, economic and social aspects.

Nobel cause, but aren't there real issues which should be addressed? Social inequality? Decent salary levels? Healthy ecological environment? Flood prevention by planting lots of trees?

Rallying at Democracy Monument is fun and like party time, but apart from that ?

A totally SICK get together, Better most of them get working for a living, instead of all this <deleted>.

These days the Thai people get far more for protesting or supporting different groups ,red or yellow than they would spending a day up to their knee,s in shit planting rice! :lol:

[otherstuff1957]

Thaksin has been pursuing a number of parallel strategies to return to (and stay in) power. Winning the election put his official party (the PT) into power, but he undoubtedly wants to keep his unofficial group (the UDD) in play as they may be needed in the future.

His militant arm has been quite quiet lately, probably beheaded when Sae Dang was assassinated, but also reined in after T and the Dems came to a 'gentleman's agreement' to cut out the bomb attacks in exchange for the release of some of his frozen funds last year. (see Crispin's articles about this)

There are probably other things going on behind the scenes in the courthouses and government offices, but unless someone gets careless with a donut box again, we are unlikely to hear about that!

[hammered]

It will be interesting to see what kind of turnout they get.

I suspect it won't be many, unlike the pre-election rallies when protesters were energized by the desire to get rid of the Dems, whose presence in the seat of power they considered to be the expression of the old establishment meddling in politics.

This may be the first time post-election we - and the PTP - get to see how much popular support the red shirts can mobilize now their old cause-celebre is defunct.

No doubt if the numbers are high, many on this forum will say Thaksin paid for it, if they are low they'll say Thaksin has deserted them. An anti-Thaksin explanation for all eventualities.

But as usual, this would be a diversion from the fact that the red shirts are a distinct group with their own ideology and the numbers they attract at rallies - particularly in Bangkok - are as much a reflection of the general sympathy people have with their cause as any other factor.

I think that is right and also that tactically it is good to be small as PTP are in power and there are lots of people sick of street protest and who just want it to go away. At some point an establishment organized lengthy protest against PTP is likely to hit the streets and PTP and the reds will want the "sick of it group" to turn on this.

I can agree with you to some degree but as everyday passes with PT being in office I find it less likely Sondhi and the geriactric clappers will appear. Fundings been cut and Sondhi's 'done one', look at ASTV now it resembles a shopping channel. The old money will not let go easy but geriactrics on the streets again, I think unlikely. They may have to create a situation (maybe fire grenades or assasinate someone) who knows but they are brazen enough not to care what the world thinks.

It is difficult to predict but I would look more to Tuls multicoloureds and he is probably more of an out an out right wing idealist than the more opportunistic and adaptable Sondhi. Tuls multicoloureds may be fronted up more by a young college student indoctrinated group and boosted with the pay for play brigade, but I agree numbers will be difficult and they cant match the red (or even previous yellow) organization, and Tul doesnt have the charisma of Sondhi or mysticism of Chamlong.

I guess other acts are possible but everything means going more right wing and more authoritarian and that leaves less and less support and more and more risk. Already part of the Thai media has left the anti-Thaksin alliance support for them among the ordinary people is palpably less and I spend most of the year in Chonburi that used to be a hotbed of anti-Thaksin feeling and now isnt. It is probably more red than yellow these days. Another problem the anti-Thaksinistas face is that they arent that good at organizing schemes without it all leaking out, so anything dramatic runs the risk of disaster for them

[rubl]

She expressed her wish to see as many supporters as possible, saying the event would aim to make a stance against coup d'états and to inform the world of their damages in political, economic and social aspects.

Nobel cause, but aren't there real issues which should be addressed? Social inequality? Decent salary levels? Healthy ecological environment? Flood prevention by planting lots of trees?

Rallying at Democracy Monument is fun and like party time, but apart from that ?

Will be interesting to read the transcript of the detailed and insightful speeches on: "...... a stance against coup d'états and to inform the world of their damages in political, economic and social aspects." I look forward to it.

Wonder what the 'attendance payment' is?

Wonder who will give these speeches, thida's husband and numerous red leaders and followers will be in Cambodia arranging a football match, wonder who else they will meet.

Who from the government including the numerous red 'secretaries', 'advisers', and 'aids' is focusing on the devastating wide spread floods?

"Who from the government including the numerous red 'secretaries', 'advisers', and 'aids' is focusing on the devastating wide spread floods?"

Well unless the numerous red 'secretaries', 'advisers', and 'aides' work in the Interior Ministry or more specifically with Srisombat Pornprasit, the department deputy chief of Disaster Prevention and Mitigation Department, I don't think they will be focusing on the floods as it is nothing to do with them. What the DPMM will be doing will be something along the lines of what has been done before as shown by these reports My link.

Contrary to popular opinion I don't think you will find that the entire government will down tools and go to Cambodia to support their favourite football team or attend the rally at the Monument for Democracy, no matter how much "fun" we are told it will be (shades of Kasit there Rubl, you been dusting off that old shirt?)

The foreign Ministry has said the football match is a private affair, so the government will not be there, only some UDD MPs no one really misses around government house.

As for dusting of that old shirt, still wearing the yellow one on Mondays (for 'obvious' reasons). Going to Bangkok Bank many times wearing a red shirt doesn't seem like a real good idea

[rubl]

She expressed her wish to see as many supporters as possible, saying the event would aim to make a stance against coup d'états and to inform the world of their damages in political, economic and social aspects.

Nobel cause, but aren't there real issues which should be addressed? Social inequality? Decent salary levels? Healthy ecological environment? Flood prevention by planting lots of trees?

Rallying at Democracy Monument is fun and like party time, but apart from that ?

Social inequalities are caused solely by those people who order the coups because they want to keep those social inequalities

After this formal and educative statement from the Ivory Tower let's go back to normal

[Arkady]

The real issue is going to be about getting cabinet positions for red shirt leaders who feel bitter they haven't been sufficiently rewarded with jobs where they can enrich themselves inordinately through blatant theft of taxpayers' funds. Right now they have to rely on the dripfeed from the stingy Pretender over the water. They feel under pressure to resolve this issue before another bunch comes out of the woodwork with their hands out next May, namely the 111 banned TRT politicians. Watch this space!