Recalling October 7, 2008 Police Crackdown On Yellow-Shirt Protest

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Recalling October 7 Police Crackdown on Yellow-shirt Protest

Members of the People’s Alliance for Democracy remain traumatized by the bloody police crackdown on October 7, 2008, which left two protesters dead and hundreds more injured.

Here's a look back into the incident.

The violent crackdown began in the morning of October 7, 2008, when police fired tear gas at thousands of People’s Alliance for Democracy, or PAD, protesters gathered outside Parliament to open the way for MPs and senators to enter the compound for the delivery of the policy statement by then-prime minister Somchai Wongsawat.

The first round of police operation left over a hundred people injured while many lost their limbs.

The transportation of wounded people to hospitals was extremely difficult as medical officials who came to help the injured were also attacked with tear gas.

Although over a hundred people were seriously injured, police attack on protesters continued unabated.

The second round of tear gas was fired at around 10 A.M. at Karn Ruean Intersection while another group of PAD supporters from Government House tried to break through police barriers to join their fellow protesters at Parliament and besiege it.

Tear gas was shot at protesters again at around 4 P.M. to allow MPs and senators who finished listening to the Somchai administration's policies to leave Parliament.

Somchai, along with his daughter and aide, had to flee from Parliament, which was surrounded by anti-government protesters, by climbing over the fence into the nextdoor Vimanmek Palace before boarding a helicopter to the Royal Thai Army Headquarters.

Shortly before the incident, a mysterious bomb, planted in a Jeep Cherokee parked in front of the Chart Thai Party office, exploded, killing Police Lieutenant Colonel Methee Chartmontree, a PAD member from the Northeast.

Police were quick to claim that the victim was transporting a bomb in his vehicle and it exploded by accident.

The violent crackdown was criticized by many, including the Lawyers' Council of Thailand and the National Human Rights Commission.

However, the demonstration was again met with intense tear gas attack at night in front of the Metropolitan Police Headquarters and the Royal Plaza, leaving hundreds of people injured.

Some were maimed by the attack.

Twenty seven-year-old Bow Angkana Radappanyawut, who was killed during the incident as a tear gas shot struck her in the chest and exploded.

Police claimed that her death could have been caused by her holding an explosive.

It was widely believed that the police intentionally and directly fired tear gas into the crowd.

Deputy Commander of the Metropolitan Police, Police Major General Amnuay Nimano, maintained that the use of tear gas grenades to disperse the street protests conformed to international crowd control standards.

With regards to the protester whose leg had to be amputated from injuries sustained during the crackdown, Amnuay suspected the injuries could have been caused by barbed wires placed around Parliament by the police.

However, doctors' testimonies about the wounds sustained by the protesters contradicted the police's defense of their actions.

Doctors said injured protesters sustained burns from explosive blastsl.

Regarding losses of limbs, doctors said the skin and bone were completely shredded, which should not have been caused by ear gas shots.

An official from the Royal Thai Police said human skin should not be shredded by tear gas blasts and they should cause only bruises.

The bloody crackdown, which resulted in two deaths and injuries to 417 people, still retains a psychological impact on PAD protesters.

-- Tan Network 2011-10-07

[moe666]

So what do the red shirts have to complain about

[RedNIvar]

"It was widely believed that the police intentionally and directly fired tear gas into the crowd."

As opposed to the rest of the world where Police fire tear gas into the crowd by mistake.

[h90]

"It was widely believed that the police intentionally and directly fired tear gas into the crowd."

As opposed to the rest of the world where Police fire tear gas into the crowd by mistake.

but it was military grade which explodes opposed to the tear gas that is used in the rest of the world. Or did you hear about lost legs from other countries?

[Buchholz]

Any progress on these pending cases from over two years ago?

Somchai, Chavalit And Patcharawat To Face Criminal Charges

OCTOBER 7 CRACKDOWN

2009-09-07

National anti-graft commission will file criminal charges against ex-Premier Somchai Wongsawat, ex-deputy PM General Chavalit Yongchaiyudh and National Police Chief Police General Patcharawat Wongsuwan for their involvement in the October 7 crackdown on yellow shirted protesters.

Edited October 7, 2011 by Buchholz

[nicknostitz]

This article is more than liberal with facts.

A few corrections:

PAD did not just gather around parliament, the protesters blocked all parliament entries already the previous day to hinder the Somchai government from delivering their policy speech. They have erected barbed wire barricades. Police attacked early morning, just after sunrise, and used teargas. Some of the teargas the police used was chinese teargas with RDX explosive charges, which caused several protesters' loss off limbs. Police was just that morning equipped with this teargas (procured under the Chuan government and from old stocks), has not trained with this particular teargas. There was no intend to maim protesters, it was a screw up.

It was not "extremely difficult" to transport wounded to the hospitals. The first police attack was halted as soon as their aim to open the parliament gates was achieved - about 15 to 20 minutes after the operation began. From the side of the pushed back PAD protesters ambulances could access the protesters freely. The injured which remained in the police held area were also soon transported to the hospital.

The second attack at 10 am was actually not an attack by police against PAD protesters trying to break through a police barricade to join their fellow protesters - on the opposite: protesters from government house had all along free access to their fellow protesters at parliament. What happened was that police protecting the National Police Headquarters was attacked by PAD protesters (who also fired a few gunshots at police). Police was pushed back into the Metropolitan Police Headquarters.

In the afternoon, police had to re-open the parliament gates to enable parliamentarians and civil servants to leave the compound, as the PAD has re-taken the streets by then. While keeing the gates open, PAD protesters attacked the police lines and people leaving parliament relentlessly, while police was mostly in a defensive position, constantly in danger of beeing surrounded by PAD protesters. During this time several police officers were injured by gunshots fired by PAD guards, for some time these injured officers were trapped in parliament, PAD not letting ambulances through to them.

Forensics are quite clear over the incident which killed Methee Chartmontree - the jeep was his car, and he the explosion occurred when he lifted the bombs.

When people have left parliament, police retreated to protect the Metropolitan Police Headquarters, and was in a purely defensive position. Ankhana died when police defended itself against a heavy attack by PAD protesters which closed in to parliament (i was there - and i have photographed Ankhana at the place of her death).

While it is true that the police has screwed up with the use of the Chinese teargas grenades, the dispersal was a legal dispersal. It is absolutely untrue to project the PAD as innocent and peaceful protesters - the only side which has used firearms that day were PAD protesters, not the security forces.

Here is the story which i wrote at the time, including images:

http://asiapacific.a...ned-on-7102008/

[blackout]

So what do the red shirts have to complain about

they can complain that the yellow close down the airport, by the help of polices.

then ignore that the yelleow didn't burn down the city, set tires on fire infront of a major hospital mid town, lists go on.

[Buchholz]

Investigation

The Subcommittee has found the following facts:

In the early morning of October 7, 2008, about 6 am, while people were gathering on Rajvithee road and Uthongnai road around the House of Parliament, some were listening to the speech from the mobile stage and some were sleeping or resting nearby.

At 6:15 am, polices on Rajvithee road at Karnruan junction started firing teargas canisters into the crowd at the T-junction between Pichai road and Rajvithee road opposite the exit gate of the House of Parliament. While firing teargas canisters continously, police rows marched to approach the piles of tyres barricade on Rajvithee road near the exit gate of the House of Parliament on Pichai road. There appeared to be a person lying still, having one of his leg totally blown away in front of the exit gate of the House of Parliament. The rallying protesters near the tyres barricade crouched and some retreated to the Uthongnai T-junction. Police officers were able to successfully push the people to retreat to the Uthongnai T-junction while walking pass the injured people without offering any help until an ambulance from Vachira Hospital arrived to rescue and move the injured people out of the scene.

http://www.antithaksin.com/086_Human_Rights.html

Edited October 7, 2011 by metisdead
Edited for fair use.

[Buchholz]

WHAT REALLY HAPPENED 7 OCTOBER 2008 ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJclibwcBHA&feature=player_embedded

[RedNIvar]

"It was widely believed that the police intentionally and directly fired tear gas into the crowd."

As opposed to the rest of the world where Police fire tear gas into the crowd by mistake.

but it was military grade which explodes opposed to the tear gas that is used in the rest of the world. Or did you hear about lost legs from other countries?

...and you know this for a fact? The rest of the world calls military grade explosives, military grade explosives not tear gas. So, you are now saying the below par and mostly incompetent BIB got their hands on military grade explosives, and somehow repacked them to look like tear gas and used them to inflict casualties among the PAD supporters. Been to the Cinema one too many times now have we?

[h90]

"It was widely believed that the police intentionally and directly fired tear gas into the crowd."

As opposed to the rest of the world where Police fire tear gas into the crowd by mistake.

but it was military grade which explodes opposed to the tear gas that is used in the rest of the world. Or did you hear about lost legs from other countries?

...and you know this for a fact? The rest of the world calls military grade explosives, military grade explosives not tear gas. So, you are now saying the below par and mostly incompetent BIB got their hands on military grade explosives, and somehow repacked them to look like tear gas and used them to inflict casualties among the PAD supporters. Been to the Cinema one too many times now have we?

It is long discussed and admitted from the police. They bought the tear gas in China a long time ago and it is in explosive containers. So there is a small explosion to distribute the tear gas, while the western "slowly" gas out on itself. There is a lot old discussion about it, which you can find on Thai visa.

When these are shot into the people instead of somewhere close to them and something unlucky happens bad injuries can happen (and did happen), people lost legs.

The police told, they didn't know about that problem before and I tend to believe them.

[Buchholz]

"It was widely believed that the police intentionally and directly fired tear gas into the crowd."

As opposed to the rest of the world where Police fire tear gas into the crowd by mistake.

but it was military grade which explodes opposed to the tear gas that is used in the rest of the world. Or did you hear about lost legs from other countries?

...and you know this for a fact? The rest of the world calls military grade explosives, military grade explosives not tear gas. So, you are now saying the below par and mostly incompetent BIB got their hands on military grade explosives, and somehow repacked them to look like tear gas and used them to inflict casualties among the PAD supporters. Been to the Cinema one too many times now have we?

Thai Police Used Chinese-Made "Explosive" Tear Gas

(RTTNews) - Thai investigators have concluded that Chinese-made tear gas canisters used by the police during an anti-government protest rally last week contained a powerful explosive, possibly RDX - a substance that is used as a major component in many military explosives, media reports said.

Evidence collected by the forensic team led by Porntip Rojanasunan, Justice Ministry'sCentral Institute of Forensic Science director, revealed that tear gas canisters imported from China contained explosive components as wounds found on the body of a dead victim matched with the size of the tear gas canisters.

The team said that the presence of RDX could explain why three people were killed and several others had limbs and feet blown off.

Surasee Kosolnawin, National Human Rights Commissioner, who chaired the agency's fact-finding subcommittee, said among the six types of tear gas used in last Tuesday's crowd dispersal, RDX was found in three of them and all were imported from China.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2106583/posts

[nicknostitz]

Investigation

The Subcommittee has found the following facts:

http://www.antithaks...man_Rights.html

This "investigation" has been widely discredited. Their questioning of "witnesses" has been highly selective, for examples PAD critical reporters were from the beginning not selected.

A few of the more glaring mistakes:

Quote:

"Again just after 16:00, the police intensely bombarded teargas canisters into the crowd rallying in the Statue of King Chulalongkorn plaza, in series for about 30 minutes, resulting in casualties and severe injuries which included numerous blown off arms and legs. Also Miss Angkana Raduppanyawut died."

Sorry, but wrong.

This committee could not even get the time of death of Ankhana right - she died not at 16.00, but at 18.57 which can be clearly seen by the photo i have taken, if one would care to look at the metadata of the image. you can also see from the image that it was already dark. Not 16.00 hours.

and:

Quote:

"The cause of this last bombardment was because a police officer in the rear of police rows pulled an object and threw it into front row police five meters away. There was a blast sound and dense smoke. The police then shouted that PAD had teargas grenades. Polices then heavily fired teargas canisters into the crowd, resulted in such casualties."

Sorry, but wrong. This argumentation is based on a highly edited video provided by the PAD. At the time the PAD has attacked the police lines protecting the Metropolitan Police headqarters, and the "object thrown" by the police officer was during the middle of the fight. I was there, not far from this officer.

Furthermore - this "report" does not mention the use of firearms by PAD protesters, the gun shot injuries of three police officers, the stabbing with a flagpole injury of another police officer, and the officers injured by a PAD protester repeatedly running over police officers with a blue pick-up truck. Etc...

By the way, this "investigation report" was rejected by the Office of the Attorney General when forwarded by the subcommittee, on grounds of being incomplete, not having interviewed enough witnesses (you can find a link of the story in the Bangkok Post, published on October 21, 2009).

Embarrassing...

Edited October 7, 2011 by nicknostitz

[gl555]

Both closing of the airport and trying to burn the city down were bad acts. However, I'd prefer someone hijacking my house for a few weeks and then releasing it unharmed then someone burning it down.

So what do the red shirts have to complain about

they can complain that the yellow close down the airport, by the help of polices.

then ignore that the yelleow didn't burn down the city, set tires on fire infront of a major hospital mid town, lists go on.

[Buchholz]

Investigation

The Subcommittee has found the following facts:

http://www.antithaks...man_Rights.html

This "investigation" has been widely discredited.

"Widely discredited" by whom?

By the NACC who has pressed charges against Somchai, Chavalit, and Patcharawat?

btw, the report doesn't say that Miss Angkana died at 16:00.

.

[nicknostitz]

Both closing of the airport and trying to burn the city down were bad acts. However, I'd prefer someone hijacking my house for a few weeks and then releasing it unharmed then someone burning it down.

So what do the red shirts have to complain about

they can complain that the yellow close down the airport, by the help of polices.

then ignore that the yelleow didn't burn down the city, set tires on fire infront of a major hospital mid town, lists go on.

When the PAD has handed the occupied Government House back - the place was ransacked. Many personal items of officials have been stolen, offices have been destroyed.

Don't forget as well, the PAD was not dispersed, while the Red Shirts were. Imagine how the airports and Government House would have looked like if the PAD would have had to face a similar dispersal as the Red Shirts had to face last year.

[Buchholz]

Both closing of the airport and trying to burn the city down were bad acts. However, I'd prefer someone hijacking my house for a few weeks and then releasing it unharmed then someone burning it down.

So what do the red shirts have to complain about

they can complain that the yellow close down the airport, by the help of polices.

then ignore that the yelleow didn't burn down the city, set tires on fire infront of a major hospital mid town, lists go on.

When the PAD has handed the occupied Government House back - the place was ransacked. Many personal items of officials have been stolen, offices have been destroyed.

Don't forget as well, the PAD was not dispersed, while the Red Shirts were. Imagine how the airports and Government House would have looked like if the PAD would have had to face a similar dispersal as the Red Shirts had to face last year.

ever the apologist

Government House was not burned down. It returned to functioning a lot sooner than the 40 buildings torched during May Red Mayhem 2010.

Rather than "imagine", people like gl555 are aware of happened and can differentiate the two situations.

.

Edited October 7, 2011 by Buchholz

[nicknostitz]

Investigation

The Subcommittee has found the following facts:

http://www.antithaks...man_Rights.html

This "investigation" has been widely discredited.

"Widely discredited" by whom?

By the NACC who has pressed charges against Somchai, Chavalit, and Patcharawat?

btw, the report doesn't say that Miss Angkana died at 16:00.

.

For example by the Office of the Attorney General, which has rejected the report as insufficient. The NACC cannot press charges, but only recommend to press charges. Which they did. But which the prosecutors rejected, as the NACC's inquiry was rejected for being incomplete.

No more need to be said about this highly embarrassing "inquiry".

[h90]

Both closing of the airport and trying to burn the city down were bad acts. However, I'd prefer someone hijacking my house for a few weeks and then releasing it unharmed then someone burning it down.

So what do the red shirts have to complain about

they can complain that the yellow close down the airport, by the help of polices.

then ignore that the yelleow didn't burn down the city, set tires on fire infront of a major hospital mid town, lists go on.

When the PAD has handed the occupied Government House back - the place was ransacked. Many personal items of officials have been stolen, offices have been destroyed.

Don't forget as well, the PAD was not dispersed, while the Red Shirts were. Imagine how the airports and Government House would have looked like if the PAD would have had to face a similar dispersal as the Red Shirts had to face last year.

But you know that before the PAD left, Chamlong went with a government house official and camera everywhere and there was no damage at all inside and it looked complete. A few days later there was huge damage. I have seen both pictures.

Unknown who did it.

There was one larger place damaged in the garden (stage+front of it), but 90 % in perfect health. PAD offered to complete repair it, that was rejected by the government, instead they came with a ridiculous number for repair costs, which also included to take out some complete healthy trees and put in full grown other trees.

The government lied a lot about the damage.

[Buchholz]

Investigation

The Subcommittee has found the following facts:

http://www.antithaks...man_Rights.html

This "investigation" has been widely discredited.

"Widely discredited" by whom?

By the NACC who has pressed charges against Somchai, Chavalit, and Patcharawat?

btw, the report doesn't say that Miss Angkana died at 16:00.

.

For example by the Office of the Attorney General, which has rejected the report as insufficient. The NACC cannot press charges, but only recommend to press charges. Which they did. But which the prosecutors rejected, as the NACC's inquiry was rejected for being incomplete.

No more need to be said about this highly embarrassing "inquiry".

So one entity, OAG, constitutes "widely discredited".

Embarrassing.

[Buchholz]

When the PAD has handed the occupied Government House back - the place was ransacked. Many personal items of officials have been stolen, offices have been destroyed.

Don't forget as well, the PAD was not dispersed, while the Red Shirts were. Imagine how the airports and Government House would have looked like if the PAD would have had to face a similar dispersal as the Red Shirts had to face last year.

But you know that before the PAD left, Chamlong went with a government house official and camera everywhere and there was no damage at all inside and it looked complete. A few days later there was huge damage. I have seen both pictures.

Unknown who did it.

There was one larger place damaged in the garden (stage+front of it), but 90 % in perfect health. PAD offered to complete repair it, that was rejected by the government, instead they came with a ridiculous number for repair costs, which also included to take out some complete healthy trees and put in full grown other trees.

The government lied a lot about the damage.

Indeed, they did.

Thank you for trying to keep reality going in the face of exaggerations.

.

[nicknostitz]

ever the apologist

Government House was not burned down. It returned to functioning a lot sooner than the 40 buildings torched during May Red Mayhem 2010.

Rather than "imagine", people like gl555 are aware of happened and can differentiate the two situations.

.

No, i simply state facts.

There was no dispersal against the PAD.

Some parts of the PAD were as heavily armed back then in 2008 as some parts of the Red Shirts were. For example, only one Uzi of the about 12 Uzi's and 3 M16's the PAD stole from a Special Branch Police Station in Government was retrieved by security forces in a string operation, the remaining weapons are still at large.

The PAD barricades around Government House were mined with explosives as were the Red Shirt barricades.

The are many differences in the situation, one is that there was no dispersal against the PAD, even though ordered by the Government. But this order was interfered with.

Another difference is that many parts of the Army supported the PAD on many levels - from having active soldiers in the PAD guards and the Srivichai warriors, a then still active General speaking on the PAD stage - Gen Pathumpong Kesornsuk, who after his retirement organized the PAD guards at airport - up to refusing orders by the Samak and Somchai Governments on numerous occasions.

[nicknostitz]

But you know that before the PAD left, Chamlong went with a government house official and camera everywhere and there was no damage at all inside and it looked complete. A few days later there was huge damage. I have seen both pictures.

Unknown who did it.

There was one larger place damaged in the garden (stage+front of it), but 90 % in perfect health. PAD offered to complete repair it, that was rejected by the government, instead they came with a ridiculous number for repair costs, which also included to take out some complete healthy trees and put in full grown other trees.

The government lied a lot about the damage.

Actually, that is quite wrong.

The PAD invited journalists and officials to a tour into the undamaged main building of Government House. They refused access to the buildings in which the damage took place. I was part of that tour.

[h90]

But you know that before the PAD left, Chamlong went with a government house official and camera everywhere and there was no damage at all inside and it looked complete. A few days later there was huge damage. I have seen both pictures.

Unknown who did it.

There was one larger place damaged in the garden (stage+front of it), but 90 % in perfect health. PAD offered to complete repair it, that was rejected by the government, instead they came with a ridiculous number for repair costs, which also included to take out some complete healthy trees and put in full grown other trees.

The government lied a lot about the damage.

Actually, that is quite wrong.

The PAD invited journalists and officials to a tour into the undamaged main building of Government House. They refused access to the buildings in which the damage took place. I was part of that tour.

So than you have an idea about who did it? The nice perfect sofa is coming in my mind which was perfect on that tour and and a few days later the fabric was cut in pieces with a cutter.

[gl555]

So this excuses the Red Shirts trying to burn down this city? Riiiiight.

ever the apologist

Government House was not burned down. It returned to functioning a lot sooner than the 40 buildings torched during May Red Mayhem 2010.

Rather than "imagine", people like gl555 are aware of happened and can differentiate the two situations.

.

No, i simply state facts.

There was no dispersal against the PAD.

Some parts of the PAD were as heavily armed back then in 2008 as some parts of the Red Shirts were. For example, only one Uzi of the about 12 Uzi's and 3 M16's the PAD stole from a Special Branch Police Station in Government was retrieved by security forces in a string operation, the remaining weapons are still at large.

The PAD barricades around Government House were mined with explosives as were the Red Shirt barricades.

The are many differences in the situation, one is that there was no dispersal against the PAD, even though ordered by the Government. But this order was interfered with.

Another difference is that many parts of the Army supported the PAD on many levels - from having active soldiers in the PAD guards and the Srivichai warriors, a then still active General speaking on the PAD stage - Gen Pathumpong Kesornsuk, who after his retirement organized the PAD guards at airport - up to refusing orders by the Samak and Somchai Governments on numerous occasions.

[nicknostitz]

So one entity, OAG, constitutes "widely discredited".

Embarrassing.

Given that the OAG decides which case the proceed at court with or not, it is the only entity of real importance here regarding the "inquiry".

And the OAG has rejected the report.

[nicknostitz]

So this excuses the Red Shirts trying to burn down this city? Riiiiight.

I don't see where in my post i have excused anything.

I have stated facts.

Actually - a few burned down buildings does not constitute "trying to burn down this city", which has somewhat more than 40 buildings.

And if we go into the details of the burned down buildings - there are some that were clearly burned down by groups of Red Shirts, but others that have most likely been burned down by opportunistic looters. Things were a bit more complex than "Red Shirts burned the city".

But let the truth not get in the way of a good story...

[gl555]

The way you're writing it makes it sound that just because the PAD did that, the Red Shirts can do this. "This" being try to burn the city down. Both acts were wrong but what the Red Shirts did was the worse of the two.

Oh they only burned down "a few buildings". Yes I can see why you're called a Red Shirt apologist! Yeah the Red Shirts are all about 'truth'! They do something bad, it's other people's fault. They burn down 'just a few buildings' and it was done by looters. Yeah they're truly lucky to have diehard revisionists like you to turn shit and make it smell of roses. You're a credit to your kind.

So this excuses the Red Shirts trying to burn down this city? Riiiiight.

I don't see where in my post i have excused anything.

I have stated facts.

Actually - a few burned down buildings does not constitute "trying to burn down this city", which has somewhat more than 40 buildings.

And if we go into the details of the burned down buildings - there are some that were clearly burned down by groups of Red Shirts, but others that have most likely been burned down by opportunistic looters. Things were a bit more complex than "Red Shirts burned the city".

But let the truth not get in the way of a good story...

[AleG]

ever the apologist

Government House was not burned down. It returned to functioning a lot sooner than the 40 buildings torched during May Red Mayhem 2010.

Rather than "imagine", people like gl555 are aware of happened and can differentiate the two situations.

.

No, i simply state facts.

There was no dispersal against the PAD.

Some parts of the PAD were as heavily armed back then in 2008 as some parts of the Red Shirts were. For example, only one Uzi of the about 12 Uzi's and 3 M16's the PAD stole from a Special Branch Police Station in Government was retrieved by security forces in a string operation, the remaining weapons are still at large.

The PAD barricades around Government House were mined with explosives as were the Red Shirt barricades.

The are many differences in the situation, one is that there was no dispersal against the PAD, even though ordered by the Government. But this order was interfered with.

Another difference is that many parts of the Army supported the PAD on many levels - from having active soldiers in the PAD guards and the Srivichai warriors, a then still active General speaking on the PAD stage - Gen Pathumpong Kesornsuk, who after his retirement organized the PAD guards at airport - up to refusing orders by the Samak and Somchai Governments on numerous occasions.

"Some parts of the PAD were as heavily armed back then in 2008 as some parts of the Red Shirts were."

Really? Grenade launchers and RPGs? I don't recall bomb attacks against Yellow Shirt "enemies" during their protests. But you may enlighten us over this grenades, RPGs and bombings by Yellow shirts.

[nicknostitz]

They burn down 'just a few buildings' and it was done by looters.

You seem to have a few difficulties with reading.

I stated that some buildings were indeed burned down by groups of Red Shirts, and that some buidings were burned down by opportunistic looters.

I am very sorry that facts do counter your opinions, but i am forced to follow facts, and not your opinions.