Did You Get Paid In Full By Your Employer?

[sonofman]

We got our salaries today from our employer; *(Name edited out) school, only to discover that we've not been paid in full. Most of us received only half of our wages, while some people got five days deducted. We've been fined for not working because of the flood situation in Bangkok.

What a shame and what a way for an employer to treat her employees. It also means we'll not be paid in November.

Edited November 2, 2011 by Scott
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[richard_smith237]

An article on this very subject and The Labor Protection Act (LPA)......

majeure........http://www.tillekeandgibbins.com/resources/times-calamity-laws-governing-labor-get-tricky

Edited November 2, 2011 by richard_smith237

[tebee]

Not teaching, but my wife's hospital have only paid the staff that came in and stayed at the hospital for 20 days this month to cover for the "free" food they've been giving them. Not sure what they did to to the staff that could not make it in.

Next month they say the may not be able to pay them at all, as most of the clients are cancelling - they are a private hospital and do mostly cosmetic work for health tourists . Wife has given up and gone up-country, is OK for her but I feel for the Filipino migrants that makes up most of the nursing staff.

Tom

[Scott]

The name of the school was edited out. We do not permit name and shame topics for legal reasons.

By the way, my school made full payment to staff.

[culicine]

Full pay here too, catholic private school. However we will need to make up the lost hours before the end of the academic year, so it's only fair to be paid.

[ThaiRich]

Private school------ full pay also, contract states salary is for 12 months. Thai staff received full pay also.

[siampolee]

A couple of friends who teach for an agency based in Bangkok were told no holiday pay (it was promised it seems) no starting date as yet for their school either

To add insult to injury they were told that they (when the return to work) will have to work both Saturdays and Sundays so as the teaching hours can be made up to the semester level..

No overtime payment will be made for this work as it seems the contract the agency has with the school demands a full quota of hours, thus the weekends are included for free as far as the agency is concerned.

As they said to me , " We can't even work at a language school at the weekends to restore our finances.."

Both seeking positions elsewhere as no income for the last six weeks and little prospect of any income for the next two weeks. If they do start work again it's another month until they get paid.

Me ? Paid in full no problems.

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Edited November 5, 2011 by siampolee

[Scott]

In order to comply with the MOE regulations on the number of days of school for an academic year, I think a number of schools are going to be having to make some adjustments to the teaching schedule.

I have a feeling this is going to cause some problems for some teachers.

[culicine]

I can see us losing Xmas vacation, and teaching well into March. Apart from losing Xmas break, I don't mind teaching late into march as we need to be at school anyway. They will get a lot of resistance trying to make teachers work 7 days a week (This is too many hours according to labor law - for government schools). Kids will hate it as many go to tutorial schools on the weekend - and many see that as more important than their school studies. I would imagine that the MoE will also make adjustments to exam schedules and cutoff dates. Lets hope some common sense prevails.

[Scott]

November will be an interesting month regarding the pay issue. That is the month when many unexpected cuts will take place.

I also wonder how they will work out the class schedules for Saturday classes, since many subjects aren't taught every day--for example science maybe taught on Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

It's not necessarily all that hard to figure out, but planning isn't exactly the strong suit here.

[culicine]

November will be an interesting month regarding the pay issue. That is the month when many unexpected cuts will take place.

I also wonder how they will work out the class schedules for Saturday classes, since many subjects aren't taught every day--for example science maybe taught on Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

It's not necessarily all that hard to figure out, but planning isn't exactly the strong suit here.

Yes I think agency teachers will be in a different boat to those directly employed by the school. They probably wouldn't be paid, as they are often not paid over their regular vacation times. I would suggest that teachers contact their schools asap and find out their pay situation for November. It seems only fair that if they cut their pay you can refuse to do the makeup classes for the time lost. My school is officially closed until the 15th but think will be extended again - that would make one month lost already. Any more than that they it will be impossible to make up the lost time, and I for one won't be working 7 days a week for the whole semester to make it up.

[Ijustwannateach]

We were paid in full, and kudos to our school for treating us so well. It is truly shameful that in a time of stress and need any other institution would behave differently.

[Derifo]

I'm on contract and wasn't paid in full, but have been told that I'll have to work weekends when we resume. Don't know about being paid at the end of this month.

[hehehoho]

No pay, then having to make it up by working seven days per week without extra salary?

Sounds like some 'teachers' will be working for free.

The TEFL game in Thailand does come across as slightly odd.

Edited November 6, 2011 by hehehoho

[culicine]

No pay, then having to make it up by working seven days per week without extra salary?

Sounds like some 'teachers' will be working for free.

The TEFL game in Thailand does come across as slightly odd.

This isn't mainly about tefl / language schools. Regular schools will need to make up some time in some way. I'd refuse point blank to work seven days a week - it just won't work as there will be too much resistance from both parents and teachers, especially those in Bangkok (many older students there do extra classes at weekends). We normally finish the first week in march, so I see no problem extending the final exams to the end of march - that would make up for 3 weeks at least. There will be a massive shortage of foreign teachers too - a large exodous of those that don't really need to be here, and no new teacher will want to walk into a school and teach everyday for a semester.

[otherstuff1957]

My school paid us early (Oct. 26th) last month, as many people were heading out of town or lived up in Rangsit & were already flooded out. There are rumors that we will probably have to give up some vacation time and work some Saturdays to make up for the 4 weeks of teaching that we are scheduled to lose, but no definite news has come to us yet!

BTW, at my school, teachers are supposed to come back on 21 Nov. & students on 28 Nov. Does anyone else (whose school has been flooded shut) know when their school will be open?

[culicine]

My school paid us early (Oct. 26th) last month, as many people were heading out of town or lived up in Rangsit & were already flooded out. There are rumors that we will probably have to give up some vacation time and work some Saturdays to make up for the 4 weeks of teaching that we are scheduled to lose, but no definite news has come to us yet!

BTW, at my school, teachers are supposed to come back on 21 Nov. & students on 28 Nov. Does anyone else (whose school has been flooded shut) know when their school will be open?

Th MoE has announced the 21st, just this afternoon, but my school hasn't updated from the 15th, as yet.

We normally finish the first week of March, so imagine we will cut into that time (we are at school three weeks doing not much anyway so it's not a big deal for me. Cutting into the official holiday of April will be a problem as that is our compulsory summer school (and I normally work that too) for m4-m6, m1, etc. So no definite answers from me, but I guess each school will approach it differently. Just hope the MoE give a reasonable deadline for submission of results. Who will really suffer will be M6 as they are normally due to finish a month early anyway.

[4evermaat]

There was someone staying next door to me who confirmed he was getting full pay during the flood. He was in contact weekly with the school, as they kept pushing back to return date. But the school will make adjustments to the school year, and the normal holidays will most likely be cancelled, so it was better that he enjoyed it now while he could.

[aussiebebe]

Some teachers work in language centers at the weekend and I have real sympathy for those affected by the flooding and having to work Saturdays to make up the lost time. This will mean they probably lose their language school jobs. The kids/parents will be highly frustrated as well as those that attend weekend classes will have paid up in advance and probably lose their money and education.