Pheu Thai Prepares Impeachment Move Over Flood Relief 'Interference'

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Pheu Thai prepares impeachment move over relief 'interference'

Samatcha Hoonsara

Kornchanok Raksaseri

The Nation

The Pheu Thai Party is preparing to file an impeachment motion against Democrat MP Warong Dechgitvi-grom for allegedly interfering in officials' work related to the distribution of flood supplies in Phitsanulok.

Energy Minister Pichai Naripthaphan said he had instructed permanent secretary Norkhun Sitthipong to find out how |opposition leader Abhisit Vejjajiva was able to get his hands |on the ministry's relief kits to |hand out to flood victims when he visited the province last month.

Norkhun said he learned that the governor had reluctantly given the kits to Abhisit upon Warong's request.

The Constitution prohibits MPs from interfering in government officials' work.

Pichai referred to Phitsanulok Governor Preecha Ruangkhan's letter submitted to the Interior Ministry saying that he felt uncomfortable having to hand over the 500 relief bags to Warong.

During a debate in the House of Representatives last week, Justice Minister Pracha Promnok broke the news about Abhisit's distribution of the Energy Ministry's provisions.

Pichai said Abhisit's conduct caused the ministry's rations to run short of plan.

Warong earlier said an Energy Ministry inspector had told him, as the province's representative, that the ministry was in charge of emergency relief for the Phitsanulok flood crisis and offered help related to the flood problem if needed.

Before Abhisit's visit he had heard that the victims still needed material assistance, so he asked the provincial energy office if there were some to give away.

The office told him that 500 extra bags remained but they had already been transferred to the governor, who is under the Interior Ministry, before the Energy Ministry team left the province.

Warong then called the governor, who initially said he did not know that there were still 500 relief kits available but if they were, the Democrats could distribute them to the people. That makes Pichai's statement that his ministry's distribution plan was disrupted a lie, Warong said.

The Democrat Party did not try to claim the relief kits as its contribution but always said they came from the Energy Ministry, he said.

Pichai yesterday refused to comment on the issue but said Warong was a politically dead man. He was also consulting legal experts about the possibility of suing Warong for libel.

Reacting to deputy government spokesman Anusorn Eiamsa-ard's statement that the Interior Ministry should look into MPs' interference in flood-relief distribution in all provinces, Interior Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit said the investigation should take place only where complaints were lodged, not in every province.

The first priority was the |people's needs but the details |would vary according to the area, he said.

-- The Nation 2011-12-01

[mrwebb8825]

so the Pheu Thai is going to sue the democrats over a missed photo opt? Can we the people sue the FROC/government over being (add adjective) self-centered?

They really would have rather waited for the glory while people were starving instead of just letting someone help?!? Hope that goes on the next election campaign as a slogan.

[blabla1]

Shouldn't they prepare for the clean up move first?

[schuimpje]

If that impeachment is done, does it then automatically impeach all PTP MP's who had their mugshots on FROC relieve trucks?

[Buchholz]

so the Pheu Thai is going to sue the democrats over a missed photo opt? Can we the people sue the FROC/government over being (add adjective) self-centered?

They really would have rather waited for the glory while people were starving instead of just letting someone help?!? Hope that goes on the next election campaign as a slogan.

Thaksin Thinks, Pheu Thai Acts, People Suffer

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[lannarebirth]

Interfering in the government's work? Don't they mean aiding in the government's work? That'll be a fun debate.

[Businessman]

Good grief. What silliness occupies the government of this country. Don't they have any real work to do?

[expat4life]

Yes they have work too , however they would rather conduct vendettas . Address real issues facing Thailand , had taken a back seat and will stay there till they achieve their stated goals . Then they will get back to the other business as usual

[edgarfriendly]

That makes Pichai's statement that his ministry's distribution plan was disrupted a lie.

Wow!!

Politicians lying!! Who would've thought it?!

What a waste of time they all are!

and who suffers??

not they with their 500,000 thb watches, upset tummies needing hospital treatment instead of immodium and 200,000 thb luncheons!!

'how lonnnnnnnnnnnnng, has this been going onnnnnn??'

ef

you can fool some people sometimes! but you cant fool all the people all the time!

[hammered]

Tit for tat poltical gamesmanship. PTP and the reds have learned over time that whatever is done unto them do back unto your opponent. It either undermines the effevctiveness, ensures your opponent also takes a hit or as in many cases when you take the hit but your opponent doesnt backs up the double standard approach while undermining the credibility among the people of whatever state institute delivered the hit. This strategy has been going for some time now and has served Thaksin/PTP/reds extremely well in the latter way although less so in the prior two

[hanuman1]

Pichai referred to Phitsanulok Governor Preecha Ruangkhan's letter submitted to the Interior Ministry saying that he felt uncomfortable having to hand over the 500 relief bags to Warong.

Warong then called the governor, who initially said he did not know that there were still 500 relief kits available but if they were, the Democrats could distribute them to the people.

Someone's telling porkies....

[TAWP]

Tit for tat poltical gamesmanship. PTP and the reds have learned over time that whatever is done unto them do back unto your opponent. It either undermines the effevctiveness, ensures your opponent also takes a hit or as in many cases when you take the hit but your opponent doesnt backs up the double standard approach while undermining the credibility among the people of whatever state institute delivered the hit. This strategy has been going for some time now and has served Thaksin/PTP/reds extremely well in the latter way although less so in the prior two

The failure is ofcourse that there needs to be a valid complaint, otherwise they just look like clowns. As in this case.

[lannarebirth]

Tit for tat poltical gamesmanship. PTP and the reds have learned over time that whatever is done unto them do back unto your opponent. It either undermines the effevctiveness, ensures your opponent also takes a hit or as in many cases when you take the hit but your opponent doesnt backs up the double standard approach while undermining the credibility among the people of whatever state institute delivered the hit. This strategy has been going for some time now and has served Thaksin/PTP/reds extremely well in the latter way although less so in the prior two

Really, you're ridiculous. Pay well does it? (Please disregard)

Edited December 1, 2011 by lannarebirth

[hanuman1]

Tit for tat poltical gamesmanship. PTP and the reds have learned over time that whatever is done unto them do back unto your opponent. It either undermines the effevctiveness, ensures your opponent also takes a hit or as in many cases when you take the hit but your opponent doesnt backs up the double standard approach while undermining the credibility among the people of whatever state institute delivered the hit. This strategy has been going for some time now and has served Thaksin/PTP/reds extremely well in the latter way although less so in the prior two

Really, you're ridiculous. Pay well does it?

A respecter of rules and abider by laws such as yourself, will I'm sure thank me for pointing out that accusing people of getting paid to post is - on top of whatever else people may think of it - against the forum rules.

[lannarebirth]

Tit for tat poltical gamesmanship. PTP and the reds have learned over time that whatever is done unto them do back unto your opponent. It either undermines the effevctiveness, ensures your opponent also takes a hit or as in many cases when you take the hit but your opponent doesnt backs up the double standard approach while undermining the credibility among the people of whatever state institute delivered the hit. This strategy has been going for some time now and has served Thaksin/PTP/reds extremely well in the latter way although less so in the prior two

Really, you're ridiculous. Pay well does it (disregard)?

A respecter of rules and abider by laws such as yourself, will I'm sure thank me for pointing out that accusing people of getting paid to post is - on top of whatever else people may think of it - against the forum rules.

I've never actually read the rules, but thanks for the heads up. I shall amend my post immediately.

[Buchholz]

Tit for tat poltical gamesmanship. PTP and the reds have learned over time that whatever is done unto them do back unto your opponent. It either undermines the effevctiveness, ensures your opponent also takes a hit or as in many cases when you take the hit but your opponent doesnt backs up the double standard approach while undermining the credibility among the people of whatever state institute delivered the hit. This strategy has been going for some time now and has served Thaksin/PTP/reds extremely well in the latter way although less so in the prior two

Really, you're ridiculous. Pay well does it?

A respecter of rules and abider by laws such as yourself, will I'm sure thank me for pointing out that accusing people of getting paid to post is - on top of whatever else people may think of it - against the forum rules.

In the interest of double standard avoidance, you should re-post that over here:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=515928&view=findpost&p=4883345

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Edited December 1, 2011 by Buchholz

[lannarebirth]

As an aside and not related in any way to any post by anyone past or present, I do often wonder if there aren't people here being paid by the word. I also wonder how that might have looked in another era if the internet were present. Stuff like " If you talk to the common germans, the word on the street is........ and you have to admit that Zyklon gas and those ovens was a brilliant way to play the opposition".

Edited December 1, 2011 by lannarebirth

[Soutpeel]

so the Pheu Thai is going to sue the democrats over a missed photo opt? Can we the people sue the FROC/government over being (add adjective) self-centered?

They really would have rather waited for the glory while people were starving instead of just letting someone help?!? Hope that goes on the next election campaign as a slogan.

Thaksin Thinks, Pheu Thai Acts, People Suffer

.

,Yingluck sh*ts

could turn this into a song...

[hammered]

Tit for tat poltical gamesmanship. PTP and the reds have learned over time that whatever is done unto them do back unto your opponent. It either undermines the effevctiveness, ensures your opponent also takes a hit or as in many cases when you take the hit but your opponent doesnt backs up the double standard approach while undermining the credibility among the people of whatever state institute delivered the hit. This strategy has been going for some time now and has served Thaksin/PTP/reds extremely well in the latter way although less so in the prior two

The failure is ofcourse that there needs to be a valid complaint, otherwise they just look like clowns. As in this case.

It is about perception. That game has been won hands down by Thaksin. His opponents are pretty inept politically, or more to the point palying by poltical rules that became redundant several years ago and which the country will not move back to. Substance in claims doesnt get considered anymore. It is just double standards when it doesnt go PTP/red way or when it goes Dems and handlers way. There have been too many examples in the past and the red team did their PR work very very well while their opponents relied on everyone will support the court decision/nacc etc decision and everyone will listen to our PM/our senior figures, but Thailand has changed and people are enjoying being more critical. The oddest thing of the lot is that the PAD and ASTV started the ball rolling in all the critical stuff and leaking all kinds of plots on TV and people loved hearing the gossip. The other side just took it to a new level while Thaksins opponents even now still dont seem to get the need for PR. that probably isnt helped by the collapsing ASTV empire and the fairly inept Blue Sky thing. Thaksinsopponets seem utterly baffled that people dont just accept what they are told and that even pouring more money into populaist schemes than Thaksin fantasized about doesnt bring votes for their party

And now look at Korkaew throwing up the why arent those who killed 91 people....? It carries big traction.

None of this is very good for democracy of course but in reality it is the side that doesnt like Thaksin that needs to get up to speed with the people rather than thinking they can change people back. That is the beauty or problem of democracy depending on how you look at things I guess, but sometimes when people issues have been ignored for too long by conservatives it creates an easy opportunity for another party to come through and capitalise on things. Then again that happpening through the demcoratic system is probably better than it happening in more radical ways

[hammered]

Tit for tat poltical gamesmanship. PTP and the reds have learned over time that whatever is done unto them do back unto your opponent. It either undermines the effevctiveness, ensures your opponent also takes a hit or as in many cases when you take the hit but your opponent doesnt backs up the double standard approach while undermining the credibility among the people of whatever state institute delivered the hit. This strategy has been going for some time now and has served Thaksin/PTP/reds extremely well in the latter way although less so in the prior two

Really, you're ridiculous. Pay well does it? (Please disregard)

I will ignore the cheap shot, but would be interested in why you thought that what was not exactly controversial analysis or even unique by any way even with Thaksin opponnets would be ridiculous? I thought most people knew that PTP/red startegy is to use the exact same tactic as their opponents used and that the double standard traction came from doing this over time.

[gregb]

Tit for tat poltical gamesmanship. PTP and the reds have learned over time that whatever is done unto them do back unto your opponent. It either undermines the effevctiveness, ensures your opponent also takes a hit or as in many cases when you take the hit but your opponent doesnt backs up the double standard approach while undermining the credibility among the people of whatever state institute delivered the hit. This strategy has been going for some time now and has served Thaksin/PTP/reds extremely well in the latter way although less so in the prior two

The failure is ofcourse that there needs to be a valid complaint, otherwise they just look like clowns. As in this case.

It is about perception. That game has been won hands down by Thaksin. His opponents are pretty inept politically, or more to the point palying by poltical rules that became redundant several years ago and which the country will not move back to.

Wow. For once I actually agree with hammered. The Democrats are definitely trying to play a version of politics that is now gone forever from Thailand. They want to play by the rules. They want to use logic and reason and Oxford style debates to discuss the issues. These outdated concepts are clearly non functional in the current environment controlled by the demagogue Thaksin.

Thaksin has won because he is ruthless and has no sense of decency or moral rectitude. This is the red style of politics that the Democrats have been reluctant to adopt because it would mean they would have to descend to his level. Say anything. Lie like a rug. Ignore even any hint of shame or responsibility. If someone plays a video back to you of something you said that is incriminating, simply shove a blue paddle in their face, have them silenced and later sue them for defamation.

This is the new political style that the PT has brought to Thailand. If I was a PT supporter I would be absolutely ashamed to admit it, but apparently some of the pro Thaksin crowd are proud of this legacy.

Hooray for red democracy! Abhisit's ideals of reasoning, responsibility and peaceful debate are just so antiquated and undesirable after all.

[AleG]

Tit for tat poltical gamesmanship. PTP and the reds have learned over time that whatever is done unto them do back unto your opponent. It either undermines the effevctiveness, ensures your opponent also takes a hit or as in many cases when you take the hit but your opponent doesnt backs up the double standard approach while undermining the credibility among the people of whatever state institute delivered the hit. This strategy has been going for some time now and has served Thaksin/PTP/reds extremely well in the latter way although less so in the prior two

The failure is ofcourse that there needs to be a valid complaint, otherwise they just look like clowns. As in this case.

It is about perception. That game has been won hands down by Thaksin. His opponents are pretty inept politically, or more to the point palying by poltical rules that became redundant several years ago and which the country will not move back to.

Wow. For once I actually agree with hammered. The Democrats are definitely trying to play a version of politics that is now gone forever from Thailand. They want to play by the rules. They want to use logic and reason and Oxford style debates to discuss the issues. These outdated concepts are clearly non functional in the current environment controlled by the demagogue Thaksin.

Thaksin has won because he is ruthless and has no sense of decency or moral rectitude. This is the red style of politics that the Democrats have been reluctant to adopt because it would mean they would have to descend to his level. Say anything. Lie like a rug. Ignore even any hint of shame or responsibility. If someone plays a video back to you of something you said that is incriminating, simply shove a blue paddle in their face, have them silenced and later sue them for defamation.

This is the new political style that the PT has brought to Thailand. If I was a PT supporter I would be absolutely ashamed to admit it, but apparently some of the pro Thaksin crowd are proud of this legacy.

Hooray for red democracy! Abhisit's ideals of reasoning, responsibility and peaceful debate are just so antiquated and undesirable after all.

I get the same impression from Hammmered arguments, Thaksin has the upper hand because he is better at deceiving and manipulating people to his own ends.

[robertson468]

Good grief. What silliness occupies the government of this country. Don't they have any real work to do?

Totally agree, this lot would be better off in a kindergarten. Get on with getting your lovely Country back on it's feet and going to see your Constituents to see how they are faring, rather than this pathetic sniping

[renaissanc]

Thaksin Thinks, Pheu Thai Acts, People Suffer

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Excellent comment!

[bigbamboo]

Jeez, when are these hopeless Thai politicians going to stop behaving like spoilt children and actually do what the Thai people elected them to do in the first place?

Edited December 1, 2011 by bigbamboo

[animatic]

Tit for tat poltical gamesmanship. PTP and the reds have learned over time that whatever is done unto them do back unto your opponent. It either undermines the effevctiveness, ensures your opponent also takes a hit or as in many cases when you take the hit but your opponent doesnt backs up the double standard approach while undermining the credibility among the people of whatever state institute delivered the hit. This strategy has been going for some time now and has served Thaksin/PTP/reds extremely well in the latter way although less so in the prior two

The failure is ofcourse that there needs to be a valid complaint, otherwise they just look like clowns. As in this case.

Agreed TAWP.

These guys want to sue and or impeach etc, and look for ANYTHING that might give them a leg up, usually it just gives them a leg over and it comes to naught. This one is equally absurd as many of their master plans. The leadership has a clue but these 3rd string TRT MP's should come with muzzles, to cancel a small percentage of their utter inane comments.

Such as this one.

My reason to dislike PTP is not simply because they are a political tool of their boss, but because they DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO on the freakin'' job.

Just useless as tits on a bull, or water-wings in a desert, except as attack dogs barking... or just plain 'barking' in the British sense.

Edited December 1, 2011 by animatic

[scorecard]

Yes they have work too , however they would rather conduct vendettas . Address real issues facing Thailand , had taken a back seat and will stay there till they achieve their stated goals . Then they will get back to the other business as usual

Yes there is real work to do done, a lot of real work.

The problem is that most of these clowns have no insight into what needs to be done, how to approach it a structured way, and how to get started.

Plus they are mostly incapable of creating anything which ads value, and the bottom line - they don't care.

[JohnAllan]

Are they getting greedy? or just pedantic? PT MPs grabbed enough marketing opportunities from the disaster - and THEY were supposed to be crisis managing.

[whybother]

Where's the interference? The Democrats were helping.

[TAWP]

What PT is saying is:

MP's handing out goods displaying the proper ministry logo = bad.

MP's handing out goods with exchanged logo, promoting PT and or the individual MP = good.