Thaksin's Fate Hinges On Reconciliation: PM Yingluck

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Thaksin's fate hinges on reconciliation: PM

The Nation

Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra on Thursday said the progress of national reconciliation would dictate the fate of her brother Thaksin Shinawatra.

"Everything will depend on bringing about reconciliation," she said.

Yingluck said the issue about Thaksin would be resolved once unity, equality and fairness in law enforcement prevail.

"If all sides abide by the principle of equality and the rule of law, then there will be a resolution for one another," she said.

She was commenting on whether Thaksin would report himself to the authorities in the wake of the surrender by red-shirt leader Arisman Pongruangrong.

She also said her priority was to focus on helping the flood-hit people.

In regard to the Cabinet reshuffle, she said it would not happen at this juncture.

-- The Nation 2011-12-08

[Soupdragon]

Thaksin's fate hinges on reconciliation.

or

Reconciliation hinges on Thaksin.

[MunterHunter]

So based on that Statement, he's never coming back to Thailand...

[hammered]

Thaksin's fate hinges on reconciliation.

or

Reconciliation hinges on Thaksin.

Both are ture and both would also be true if you replaced Thaksin with the word his enemies. The issue is what is meant by reconcilliation as reconcilliation is a political issue and a ssuch means many things to many people. Reaching a point that most agree is reconcilliation isnt so easy

[Buchholz]

She was commenting on whether Thaksin would report himself to the authorities in the wake of the surrender by red-shirt leader Arisman Pongruangrong.

The simple yes/no response to the straight-forward question then is no.

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Edited December 8, 2011 by Buchholz

[Oberkommando]

Abide by the rule of law? Equality? Fairness? The whole article is pure comedy gold.

[rixalex]

Both are ture and both would also be true if you replaced Thaksin with the word his enemies. The issue is what is meant by reconcilliation as reconcilliation is a political issue and a ssuch means many things to many people. Reaching a point that most agree is reconcilliation isnt so easy

Reconciliation wouldn't be that difficult to achieve. Simply applying the rule of law equally to each and every individual would do it, and as Thaksin is the one at the centre of it all, and as Thaksin is the one most blatantly ignoring the law, by fleeing from a conviction that has already been through the courts, not one that is merely speculated on, him turning himself over to authorities here in Thailand and insisting on no preferential or special treatment, would be the natural place to start that would set an example to all other parties and get the ball rolling. A small sacrifice one might have thought, that would have the power to change things overnight.

But alas, i guess this is where the reds come in with all the reasons why he shouldn't be the one starting things off.

[GentlemanJim]

But Thaksins crimes do not fall within their concept of the reconciliation? Thaksin was guilty of tax fraud on an unimaginable scale for the average Thai, then even perhaps insider trading etc etc. A political party reconciliation should not excuse him of his crimes.

[Jingthing]

Her obsession on Thaksin is telling. A real leader would be talking (and working on) constantly about THAILAND's fate, not her big brother's fate.

Edited December 8, 2011 by Jingthing

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PM Denies Thaksin's Plan to Surrender

The prime minister has declined to answer whether her brother former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra plans to turn himself in to fight alleged graft charges like red-shirt hardliner Arisman Pongruengrong, who surrendered yesterday.

This morning, reporters asked Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra whether the surrender of red-shirt hardliner Arisman Pongruengrong yesterday would bring about reconciliation in the country.

The premier said it is everyone's duty to help the government create unity and reconciliation in the country.

Further asked whether her brother former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, wanted for several alleged corruption charges, had planned to turn himself in like Arisman, the PM avoided answering the question directly.

She only said everything must be carried out according to the rule of law.

She insisted any defendants must be treated fairly and no special treatment will be accorded to any single individual.

The PM also attempted to change the subject and spoke about the government's recovery and compensation measures to help flood-hit residents.

Arisman turned himself in yesterday to the Department of Special Investigation.

He is wanted for terrorism charges in relations to mass red-shirt rallies in 2010.

The court has denied his request for bail fearing he could flee the country.

-- Tan Network 2011-12-08

[givenall]

May be reconciliationis hinged on Thaksin decision to acknowledge his guilt and surrender himself toserve his jail sentence

[lannarebirth]

But Thaksins crimes do not fall within their concept of the reconciliation? Thaksin was guilty of tax fraud on an unimaginable scale for the average Thai, then even perhaps insider trading etc etc. A political party reconciliation should not excuse him of his crimes.

You've got to keep up with the spin. As the transfer of Red Shirt prisoners to a facility labeled as being for "political prisoners" gets underway, all crimes against those in power will be of the "political" variety. All a bunch of nonsense trumped up by their anti-democratic political enemies. In the administration's view these folks are as good as pardoned already.

[gregb]

Thaksin's fate hinges on reconciliation.

or

Reconciliation hinges on Thaksin.

Since everyone who is in a position to make a real deal with Thaksin is already aware that it is impossible to make a deal with Thaksin due to his character, what this means is that reconciliation is dependent on eliminating Thaksin as threat to the country.

[Soutpeel]

May be reconciliationis hinged on Thaksin decision to acknowledge his guilt and surrender himself toserve his jail sentence

Exactly, if he had come back done his bird (which would not have been 2 years anyway) this would all be over with by now

[Orac]

May be reconciliationis hinged on Thaksin decision to acknowledge his guilt and surrender himself toserve his jail sentence

Exactly, if he had come back done his bird (which would not have been 2 years anyway) this would all be over with by now

Not really - if he had come back they would have been able to try him on the umpteen outstanding charges as well. He needs something a bit more substantial to get him out of the other cases that have piled up.

[ovaltina]

Her obsession on Thaksin is telling. A real leader would be talking (and working on) constantly about THAILAND's fate, not her big brother's fate.

She's the sweetly smiling figurehead on the prow of a giant pirate warship.

Sadly most people seem to only look at the pretty figurehead not the thousand tonnes of brutal banditry that its attached to.

[bedouin1990]

I do not know about the rest of my farang colleagues, but I am sick to death about hearing about Thaksin and Thai politics. We live here largely immune to it all. WE do not influence the politics here, THEY do. So long as they are not running us out of the country, why care? Live and let live.

[drdoom6996]

But Thaksins crimes do not fall within their concept of the reconciliation? Thaksin was guilty of tax fraud on an unimaginable scale for the average Thai, then even perhaps insider trading etc etc. A political party reconciliation should not excuse him of his crimes.

Exactly

[renaissanc]

Thaksin's fate hinges on reconciliation.

or

Reconciliation hinges on Thaksin.

Well stated!

[ratcatcher]

I do not know about the rest of my farang colleagues, but I am sick to death about hearing about Thaksin and Thai politics. We live here largely immune to it all. WE do not influence the politics here, THEY do. So long as they are not running us out of the country, why care? Live and let live.

Pastor Martin Niemoller (1892-1984)“In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist; And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist; And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew; And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up.”

[Buchholz]

Her obsession on Thaksin is telling. A real leader would be talking (and working on) constantly about THAILAND's fate, not her big brother's fate.

She's the sweetly smiling figurehead on the prow of a giant pirate warship.

Sadly most people seem to only look at the pretty figurehead not the thousand tonnes of brutal banditry that its attached to.

A fitting raven-haired maiden to match your excellent simile...

Lovely Maiden Masthead by bkwdayton - on hiatus, on Flickr

[Skywalker69]

Her obsession on Thaksin is telling. A real leader would be talking (and working on) constantly about THAILAND's fate, not her big brother's fate.

She's the sweetly smiling figurehead on the prow of a giant pirate warship.

Sadly most people seem to only look at the pretty figurehead not the thousand tonnes of brutal banditry that its attached to.

A fitting raven-haired maiden to match your excellent simile...

Lovely Maiden Masthead by bkwdayton - on hiatus, on Flickr

Lets hope that she is attached soon will turn into a wreck.

[Orac]

It doesn't sound like the Truth for Reconciliation commission is going to let Thaksin off the hook that easily according to the interim report they have just released:

Since the time the law was distorted in the case involving hidden assets of Thaksin in

2004, the government has not carried out any investigation of the case to determine the

underlying reasons for such a suspicious occurrence. Therefore, the TRCT propose that the

government along with relevant social agencies examine this case according to the rule of

law.

[lannarebirth]

It doesn't sound like the Truth for Reconciliation commission is going to let Thaksin off the hook that easily according to the interim report they have just released:

Since the time the law was distorted in the case involving hidden assets of Thaksin in

2004, the government has not carried out any investigation of the case to determine the

underlying reasons for such a suspicious occurrence. Therefore, the TRCT propose that the

government along with relevant social agencies examine this case according to the rule of

law.

That's the ticket !

[SOTIRIOS]

Yingluck said the issue about Thaksin would be resolved once unity, equality and fairness in law enforcement prevail.

"If all sides abide by the principle of equality and the rule of law, then there will be a resolution for one another," she said.

This is so absurd, it is scary....

[anon467367354]

"once unity, equality and fairness in law enforcement prevail."

now that's pretty funny. Maybe if she can order Bangkok dry by New Years, she can order unity, equality and fairness in law enforcement too. And while she's at it, order the casinos to close, and the government officials to stop skimming deeply off the top, transparency in the government and no secret meetings, and might as well throw in order the drug smugglers to stay out. It's a good thing she's not a politician in the US, the late night shows would have a field day.

[anon467367354]

It doesn't sound like the Truth for Reconciliation commission is going to let Thaksin off the hook that easily according to the interim report they have just released:

Since the time the law was distorted in the case involving hidden assets of Thaksin in

2004, the government has not carried out any investigation of the case to determine the

underlying reasons for such a suspicious occurrence. Therefore, the TRCT propose that the

government along with relevant social agencies examine this case according to the rule of

law.

can one shoot themselves in the foot if it's in their mouth? this might be a first.

[Buchholz]

It doesn't sound like the Truth for Reconciliation commission is going to let Thaksin off the hook that easily according to the interim report they have just released:

Since the time the law was distorted in the case involving hidden assets of Thaksin in

2004, the government has not carried out any investigation of the case to determine the

underlying reasons for such a suspicious occurrence. Therefore, the TRCT propose that the

government along with relevant social agencies examine this case according to the rule of

law.

That's the ticket !

It matches exactly what so many on the forum have pointed out numerous times...

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[hellodolly]

Thaksin's fate hinges on reconciliation.

or

Reconciliation hinges on Thaksin.

Both are ture and both would also be true if you replaced Thaksin with the word his enemies. The issue is what is meant by reconcilliation as reconcilliation is a political issue and a ssuch means many things to many people. Reaching a point that most agree is reconcilliation isnt so easy

Why should we try to reconcile with a convicted criminal and don't give me that political crap. The jails are full of innocent people just ask them.

I suppose as well as kiss-ng his ass and giving him a pardon you want to drop all other charges against him. Did it ever dawn on you that a lot of his enemies just want justice to be done for him like it is done for all the other people in Thailand.

Thaksin should in no way be even considered in reconciliation talks. He is the ex Prime minister and deserves as much consideration in the discussions as all the ex PMs. None. If he cared one iota about Thailand he would not be meddling in the Government affairs.

[WhizBang]

So based on that Statement, he's never coming back to Thailand...