Red Shirts Threaten To Rally For Arisman's Bail

[piete121]

Pandora's box has been opened. The people have been shown that you can ignore the law as violence or the threat of violence will get you what you want. When/if they arrive in Bangkok and the authorities don't want them here what are they going to do? As soon as they use any kind of force to get them to go home then the authorities will be accused of double standards. Mind you I am sure they can spin the old 'foreign made tear gas canister' accident to their own ends and/or make it look like the work of the 'third hand'.

PTP now have a choice. Clamp down hard and take the noise for the next 3 years (or until the Dr is back in the house) then woo the voters with yet more populist policies and stay in power or give in to mob rule and find that every time they want something that the villagers don't like they have to accept that they can't do it.

I can see only one way this may go since so many in authority now, love the power and the payments.

[pimay11]

Setting up red shirt villages, organising paid protests, attempting to circumvent the process of law while saying they want equal justice,(question is, equal for who?). They talk recincilliation while at the same time driving a demarcation wedge through the country using the 'us and them' thinking re. the red shirt villages. What will happen in this country? Will we see a progression from protests to more deadly civil unrest? I have not been here long enough to develop any colour affiliation, I enjoy being here with my wife and I love the people, I fear what lies ahead if these paid anarchists are not stopped.

That remains to be seen. Thaksin has created a monster with the red mob. I'm sure this was not his initial intentions but the fact remains they now have morphed into something uncontrollable. History always repeats itself when people like Arisman, Weng and Jutaporn stir a mob of people into a hatred frenzy after weeks of brain washing as was done last year in the "burn Bangkok campaign".

Many believe they have served their usefulness to Thaksin and he is finding ways to disassociate himself and his PTP from them. The next few months will be interesting to say the least.

But we are guest in this country, some of us for many years, and just have to stand back, watch and take care of our family.

[renaissanc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M9XiJoWSSs

Am i missing something?

No doubt, with Thaksin's money, Arisaman will be found not guilty because "the evidence isn't conclusive", the videos "were cut and pasted", or "he was just joking". "Besides, he's such a nice guy ... thank you, do I need to count it?"

[lannarebirth]

Pandora's box has been opened. The people have been shown that you can ignore the law as violence or the threat of violence will get you what you want. When/if they arrive in Bangkok and the authorities don't want them here what are they going to do? As soon as they use any kind of force to get them to go home then the authorities will be accused of double standards. Mind you I am sure they can spin the old 'foreign made tear gas canister' accident to their own ends and/or make it look like the work of the 'third hand'.

PTP now have a choice. Clamp down hard and take the noise for the next 3 years (or until the Dr is back in the house) then woo the voters with yet more populist policies and stay in power or give in to mob rule and find that every time they want something that the villagers don't like they have to accept that they can't do it.

I can see only one way this may go since so many in authority now, love the power and the payments.

I disagree. They're not going to get 10,000 people to show up to protest for his release, or even 10, UNLESS they are paid to do so. It's what the payor wants that germane here. HE wields the power. The protesters are but heads of cattle in the stampede he's orchestrating. Frankly, I don't think anyone will be talking about Arisman anymore in a week or two.

[bkkjames]

Said when his first attempt at bail the protests would begin.

Hope the pm has their red appointed mob control to handle it as promised way back.lol

[Oberkommando]

Pandora's box has been opened. The people have been shown that you can ignore the law as violence or the threat of violence will get you what you want.

Yep, terrible precedent set by lack of action against the yellows for the Government house and airport takeovers. Allowing them to effectively 'mob rule' the army into mounting a coup then unseating an elected government through the courts.

You reap what you sow unfortunately and the seeds most definitely have been sown.

[lannarebirth]

Pandora's box has been opened. The people have been shown that you can ignore the law as violence or the threat of violence will get you what you want.

Yep, terrible precedent set by lack of action against the yellows for the Government house and airport takeovers. Allowing them to effectively 'mob rule' the army into mounting a coup then unseating an elected government through the courts.

You reap what you sow unfortunately and the seeds most definitely have been sown.

You know "the courts" are one of those elements that define a democracy don't you? Or did you think it was just getting to 50.1% by whatever means necessary and letting the mob rule?

[Oberkommando]

You know "the courts" are one of those elements that define a democracy don't you?

They certainly do, and in this case the yellows taking over the airport served their purpose by leaning on them to unseat the Somchai administration.

Of course in a functioning democracy such protests would not be allowed, thus allowing the courts to fully function in their capacity.

[smutcakes]

You know "the courts" are one of those elements that define a democracy don't you?

They certainly do, and in this case the yellows taking over the airport served their purpose by leaning on them to unseat the Somchai administration.

Of course in a functioning democracy such protests would not be allowed, thus allowing the courts to fully function in their capacity.

Just out of interest, how long had the judges that presided over that case, been on the bench?

[lannarebirth]

You know "the courts" are one of those elements that define a democracy don't you?

They certainly do, and in this case the yellows taking over the airport served their purpose by leaning on them to unseat the Somchai administration.

Of course in a functioning democracy such protests would not be allowed, thus allowing the courts to fully function in their capacity.

Do you think the court rendered an incorrect decision given the facts of the case? And if you do think they were incorrect in their decision, do you think they rendered a false decision due to protests?

Here's what I think. I think Thaksin froze out all those other "pillars of democracy" and the court case, which should have been ajudicated long before, but was sidelined, because it could be, allowed some idiots to believe that there was a legally elected government in place, which there wasn't. It was a government installed by the most blatant of election frauds and only a dictatorial regime could have kept the courts from deciding so. It was a dam_n shame people needed to take to the streets to pressure the courts to do their jobs. That's my opinion.

[Skywalker69]

Where are the usual defenders of this mob. No one in sight.

from a different thread:

Babcock, on Today, 11:42 , said:

The redshirts campaigned under the slogan " no double standards."

The people want Law and Order and they want it equally applied.

Where are the clowns.......................

They are running the show in Thailand.

[atyclb]

These sheep remind me of the deluded bunch from Monty Python's 'Life of Brian'.

"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy"

ROFLMAO

[GentlemanJim]

I wonder if anyone living up North could advise the rest of us on the propaganda that is being broadcast on the redshirt radio/TV every day? Broadcasting media is a very powerful influence particularly in areas considered poor.

[soundman]

Please refer to political units, and politicians by their correct names and/or accepted nicknames, otherwise your post will be removed from view.

[mrtoad]

Cant beat a good rally, have not had one for while now!

I believe Thaksin is pushing for it to become a Hub of Democracy

[Misterwhisper]

Only 2 words come to mind: blithering idiots. 'Nuff said.

[ramrod711]

The only good thing about this is to be reminded, yet again, of what the red shirts stand for.

And it clearly ain't "democracy"

This is scary, really, where is the country headed? Don't like a decision from the courts?, head for Bangkok and cause a disturbance, perhaps the judge can be intimidated. The silent majority better step up before the country is taken over by thugs. This is how the black shirts took over germany in the 1930s

[whybother]

Pandora's box has been opened. The people have been shown that you can ignore the law as violence or the threat of violence will get you what you want.

Yep, terrible precedent set by lack of action against the yellows for the Government house and airport takeovers. Allowing them to effectively 'mob rule' the army into mounting a coup then unseating an elected government through the courts.

You reap what you sow unfortunately and the seeds most definitely have been sown.

I think you need to check your time line.

[whybother]

Do you think the court rendered an incorrect decision given the facts of the case? And if you do think they were incorrect in their decision, do you think they rendered a false decision due to protests?

Here's what I think. I think Thaksin froze out all those other "pillars of democracy" and the court case, which should have been ajudicated long before, but was sidelined, because it could be, allowed some idiots to believe that there was a legally elected government in place, which there wasn't. It was a government installed by the most blatant of election frauds and only a dictatorial regime could have kept the courts from deciding so. It was a dam_n shame people needed to take to the streets to pressure the courts to do their jobs. That's my opinion.

From what I remember, the protests weren't related to the court case. The yellow shirts were generally doing what they could to stop the government of the time from changing the constitution, and one of the reasons they went to Swampy was to stop Somchai from arriving.

[webfact]

Reds to demand Arisman's release

The Nation

Red-shirt supporters in the North and Northeast left their homes yesterday evening to head for the capital to meet their leader Arisman Pongruangrong and demand his release from prison.

"Some 5,000 reds from the North and another 5,000 from the Northeast are planning to rally for Arisman," organiser Anont Saennan said.

Anont, a red-shirt leader in Udon Thani, spearheaded the setting up of 8,702 red-shirt villages in the North and Northeast. He said residents of all these villages wanted every red-shirt detainee to be freed.

As for Arisman, he said he should be granted bail because he had not fled to escape his criminal charges but because he feared for his life. He added that as soon as things return to normal, Arisman and other red shirts surrendered to the authorities.

Arisman has been detained at Bangkok |Remand Prison since December 7 pending trial on charges related to terrorism during last year's political turmoil. He fled to Cambodia once the red-shirt rally at the Ratchaprasong intersection was brought to an end on May 19 last year.

His second bail application was rejected on Monday on grounds that he might flee again.

His escape and the serious nature of the charges were two critical factors behind the rejection of his first request for bail, the court said.

In his second plea for bail, Arisman told the court that he had to flee abroad and wait until this month to surrender because people had warned him of attempts on his life. Arisman vowed in court that he would not attempt to escape or lead any rallies again.

-- The Nation 2011-12-22

[tlansford]

what ever happened to the concept of free speech on this forum?

Some people want to demonstrate in support of someone getting bail.

And that deserves over the top hateful "jokes" like hope the truck turns over, catches on fire? Good job guys, just think about the fact that free speech as well as the right to assemble is part of democracy and is a right protected in democracies and extended to everyone, whether you agree with them or not. On the other hand, hate-speech is not protected.

[Oberkommando]

From what I remember, the protests weren't related to the court case. The yellow shirts were generally doing what they could to stop the government of the time from changing the constitution, and one of the reasons they went to Swampy was to stop Somchai from arriving.

Let's get the facts right. The yellow shirts wanted to retain the Constitution the military junta pushed through, and not allow the reinstatement of the People's Constitution of 1997 which was abrogated by the junta.

The protests put pressure on the courts, considering the rhetoric used by the yellows at the time I think that was very much an aim.

[whybother]

From what I remember, the protests weren't related to the court case. The yellow shirts were generally doing what they could to stop the government of the time from changing the constitution, and one of the reasons they went to Swampy was to stop Somchai from arriving.

Let's get the facts right. The yellow shirts wanted to retain the Constitution the military junta pushed through, and not allow the reinstatement of the People's Constitution of 1997 which was abrogated by the junta.

The protests put pressure on the courts, considering the rhetoric used by the yellows at the time I think that was very much an aim.

So ... as I said, the protests weren't related to the court case. They were to stop the government from changing the constitution.

Yes, they probably put pressure on the courts, but that wasn't the aim of them at the time.

[rixalex]

From what I remember, the protests weren't related to the court case. The yellow shirts were generally doing what they could to stop the government of the time from changing the constitution, and one of the reasons they went to Swampy was to stop Somchai from arriving.

Let's get the facts right. The yellow shirts wanted to retain the Constitution the military junta pushed through, and not allow the reinstatement of the People's Constitution of 1997 which was abrogated by the junta.

Or to put it another way, the yellow shirts wanted the government to get on with the job of running the country, not focus all its attention on changing the constitution in order to benefit one man, which was plainly the purpose, whether you recognise that or not.

[americaninbangkok]

"Some 5,000 reds in the North and other 5,000 in the Northeast are planning to rally for Arisman," organiser Anont Saennan said. Anont is the Udon Thani red leader spearheading the set-up of 8,702 red villages in the North and Northeast. In the Arisman case, he said bail should be granted because Arisman did not flee to elude his criminal charges but to save his life. After the resumption of normalcy, Arisman and other red shirts reported themselves to the law enforcement authorities, he said.

Some basic math here: 8702 villages. 5000 reds from the north + 5000 reds from the northeast = 10,000 reds. That's 1.15 reds/village. Is that the best turnout they can muster?! I think even I could rally more... and I'm a farang!

So bail should be granted because he was fleeing for his life?! (By the way, would this logic apply to those facing a death penalty?) Really?! It was his own party that had overtaken the city. Why would he fear for his life?! He was regarded as a hero (another word could be used here: idiot).

I don't think he turned himself immediately "after the resumption of normalcy". He made sure his friends were in power. And then he waited for the right time. The flooding was a nice distraction to keep everyone from focusing on him too much -- and voila! -- he rode back into town on his white horse like a returning conqueror (insert "idiot" here if you like).

What's the limit on bail requests? Isn't this just wasting the court's time?

Edited December 22, 2011 by americaninbangkok

[gl555]

what ever happened to the concept of free speech on this forum?

Some people want to demonstrate in support of someone getting bail.

And that deserves over the top hateful "jokes" like hope the truck turns over, catches on fire? Good job guys, just think about the fact that free speech as well as the right to assemble is part of democracy and is a right protected in democracies and extended to everyone, whether you agree with them or not. On the other hand, hate-speech is not protected.

It wasn't a joke. Nor was it hateful. It was just a hope from the bottom of my heart.

Rallying to protest something is free speech and is supposedly legal. 'Rallying' to try to coerce the courts to free a terrorist isn't. Therefore, I won't shed a tear if ill fortune befalls a bunch of thugs attempting this.

Edited December 22, 2011 by gl555

[anterian]

Where are the usual defenders of this mob. No one in sight.

There is no defence, so they are understandably quiet.

What is the point of debating with those who have closed minds? Sometimes the reds get it wrong, other times they get it right, but to many here they can never get it right

[tlansford]

what ever happened to the concept of free speech on this forum?

Some people want to demonstrate in support of someone getting bail.

And that deserves over the top hateful "jokes" like hope the truck turns over, catches on fire? Good job guys, just think about the fact that free speech as well as the right to assemble is part of democracy and is a right protected in democracies and extended to everyone, whether you agree with them or not. On the other hand, hate-speech is not protected.

It wasn't a joke. Nor was it hateful. It was just a hope from the bottom of my heart.

Rallying to protest something is free speech and is supposedly legal. 'Rallying' to try to coerce the courts to free a terrorist isn't. Therefore, I won't shed a tear if ill fortune befalls a bunch of thugs attempting this.

Regardless of the objective of the rally (and certainly regardless of the objective of the rally attributed to it by others such as yourself), they have the right to assemble, and the right to their opinion, and the right to free speech within the bounds of the law.

On a different note :

One would certainly hope that you are not run over by a taxi (or that you catch on fire) on your next jaunt to 7/11...

[whybother]

Where are the usual defenders of this mob. No one in sight.

There is no defence, so they are understandably quiet.

What is the point of debating with those who have closed minds? Sometimes the reds get it wrong, other times they get it right, but to many here they can never get it right

"What is the point of debating with those who have closed minds?"

True ... Maybe I need to stop debating with them.

[rixalex]

Regardless of the objective of the rally (and certainly regardless of the objective of the rally attributed to it by others such as yourself), they have the right to assemble, and the right to their opinion, and the right to free speech within the bounds of the law.

Could be argued that groups that have in the past assembled and failed to remain peaceful, failed to simply exercise their right to free speech, don't deserve to be trusted in responsibly organising new protests, and should be made to find other less potentially violent ways of expressing themselves.