Need Advise On Starting My Own Small Shop

[anon54353]

Hi everyone,

good day and greetings, I am interested in starting a shop in Thailand selling food, or maybe say a small chill out pub or bar, can I know is there any easy way to doing it? cause reading info from the net makes me all ???? and confuse.. I don't aim at doing a big one, just a small shop will do.. and what are the estimated start up costs? thanks in advance.

[rockderk]

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Prohibited types of work

Updated by Sunbelt Asia Legal Advisors’ licensed Attorneys in December 2010

Under Thai Law BE2522 foreigners are prohibited to engage in any of the following types of work in Thailand:

Manual work;

Work in agriculture, animal husbandry, forestry or fishing excluding specialized work in each particular branch or farm supervision;

Bricklaying, carpentry or other construction works;

Woodcarving;

Driving a mechanically propelled carrier or driving a non-mechanically propelled vehicle, excluding international aircraft piloting;

Shop attending;

Auction;

Supervising, auditing or giving services in accounting excluding internal auditing on occasions;

Cutting or polishing jewelry;

Haircutting, hairdressing or beauty treatment;

Cloth weaving by hand;

Weaving of mats or making products from reeds, rattan, hemp, straw or bamboo;

Making of Sa paper by hand;

Lacquer ware making;

Making of Thai musical instruments;

Nielloware making;

Making of products from gold, silver or gold-copper alloy;

Bronze ware making;

Making of Thai dolls;

Making of mattresses or quilt blankets;

Alms bowl casting;

Making of silk products by hand;

Casting of Buddha images;

Knife making;

Making of paper or cloth umbrellas;

Shoemaking;

Hat making;

Brokerage or agency excluding brokerage or agency in international trade business;

Engineering work in a civil engineering branch concerning designing and calculation, organization, research, planning, testing, construction supervision or advising excluding specialized work;

Architectural work concerning designing, drawing of plans, estimating, construction directing or advising;

Garment making;

Pottery or ceramic ware making;

Cigarette making by hand;

Guide or conducting sightseeing tours;

Street vending;

Typesetting of Thai characters by hand;

Drawing and twisting silk thread by hand;

Office or secretarial work;

Legal or lawsuit services.

(Source: Alien Occupational Control Division, Department of Employment Ministry of Labor and Social Welfare.)

The official definition of “work” in Thailand is "to engage in work by exerting energy or using knowledge whether or not in consideration of wages or other benefits" (Source: Thai Ministry of Labour). Punishments for those defying the law include fines, imprisonment, deportation and possible blacklisting thus preventing return to Thailand. Any employer ignoring this law can also be imprisoned and/or fined. It should be noted that the law does not simply define work as doing something in return for financial reward (thus volunteers in Thailand need proper Visas and Work Permits to even volunteer in Thailand without pay). All foreigners who get offered jobs in Thailand must still have the proper Visa and a valid Work Permit to be legally employed in Thailand. For the steps in getting your Work permit in Thailand see http://www.thaivisa.com/288.0.html .

These work limits do not apply to foreigners who have gained Thai citizenship or foreigners who are now Permanent Residents of Thailand (for info on Permanent Residency see http://www.thaivisa.com/300.0.html ).

[soundman]

Moved to SME forum.

[zzaa09]

Think you might be in here?

Prohibited types of work

Updated by Sunbelt Asia Legal Advisors’ licensed Attorneys in December 2010

Under Thai Law BE2522 foreigners are prohibited to engage in any of the following types of work in Thailand:

Manual work;

Work in agriculture, animal husbandry, forestry or fishing excluding specialized work in each particular branch or farm supervision;

Bricklaying, carpentry or other construction works;

Woodcarving;

Driving a mechanically propelled carrier or driving a non-mechanically propelled vehicle, excluding international aircraft piloting;

Shop attending;

Auction;

Supervising, auditing or giving services in accounting excluding internal auditing on occasions;

Cutting or polishing jewelry;

Haircutting, hairdressing or beauty treatment;

Cloth weaving by hand;

Weaving of mats or making products from reeds, rattan, hemp, straw or bamboo;

Making of Sa paper by hand;

Lacquer ware making;

Making of Thai musical instruments;

Nielloware making;

Making of products from gold, silver or gold-copper alloy;

Bronze ware making;

Making of Thai dolls;

Making of mattresses or quilt blankets;

Alms bowl casting;

Making of silk products by hand;

Casting of Buddha images;

Knife making;

Making of paper or cloth umbrellas;

Shoemaking;

Hat making;

Brokerage or agency excluding brokerage or agency in international trade business;

Engineering work in a civil engineering branch concerning designing and calculation, organization, research, planning, testing, construction supervision or advising excluding specialized work;

Architectural work concerning designing, drawing of plans, estimating, construction directing or advising;

Garment making;

Pottery or ceramic ware making;

Cigarette making by hand;

Guide or conducting sightseeing tours;

Street vending;

Typesetting of Thai characters by hand;

Drawing and twisting silk thread by hand;

Office or secretarial work;

Legal or lawsuit services.

(Source: Alien Occupational Control Division, Department of Employment Ministry of Labor and Social Welfare.)

The official definition of “work” in Thailand is "to engage in work by exerting energy or using knowledge whether or not in consideration of wages or other benefits" (Source: Thai Ministry of Labour). Punishments for those defying the law include fines, imprisonment, deportation and possible blacklisting thus preventing return to Thailand. Any employer ignoring this law can also be imprisoned and/or fined. It should be noted that the law does not simply define work as doing something in return for financial reward (thus volunteers in Thailand need proper Visas and Work Permits to even volunteer in Thailand without pay). All foreigners who get offered jobs in Thailand must still have the proper Visa and a valid Work Permit to be legally employed in Thailand. For the steps in getting your Work permit in Thailand see http://www.thaivisa.com/288.0.html .

These work limits do not apply to foreigners who have gained Thai citizenship or foreigners who are now Permanent Residents of Thailand (for info on Permanent Residency see http://www.thaivisa.com/300.0.html ).

What he really means: The good wife is looking to open a small food&beverage related business.

Problem solved.

[scorecard]

Think you might be in here?

Prohibited types of work

Updated by Sunbelt Asia Legal Advisors’ licensed Attorneys in December 2010

Under Thai Law BE2522 foreigners are prohibited to engage in any of the following types of work in Thailand:

Manual work;

Work in agriculture, animal husbandry, forestry or fishing excluding specialized work in each particular branch or farm supervision;

Bricklaying, carpentry or other construction works;

Woodcarving;

Driving a mechanically propelled carrier or driving a non-mechanically propelled vehicle, excluding international aircraft piloting;

Shop attending;

Auction;

Supervising, auditing or giving services in accounting excluding internal auditing on occasions;

Cutting or polishing jewelry;

Haircutting, hairdressing or beauty treatment;

Cloth weaving by hand;

Weaving of mats or making products from reeds, rattan, hemp, straw or bamboo;

Making of Sa paper by hand;

Lacquer ware making;

Making of Thai musical instruments;

Nielloware making;

Making of products from gold, silver or gold-copper alloy;

Bronze ware making;

Making of Thai dolls;

Making of mattresses or quilt blankets;

Alms bowl casting;

Making of silk products by hand;

Casting of Buddha images;

Knife making;

Making of paper or cloth umbrellas;

Shoemaking;

Hat making;

Brokerage or agency excluding brokerage or agency in international trade business;

Engineering work in a civil engineering branch concerning designing and calculation, organization, research, planning, testing, construction supervision or advising excluding specialized work;

Architectural work concerning designing, drawing of plans, estimating, construction directing or advising;

Garment making;

Pottery or ceramic ware making;

Cigarette making by hand;

Guide or conducting sightseeing tours;

Street vending;

Typesetting of Thai characters by hand;

Drawing and twisting silk thread by hand;

Office or secretarial work;

Legal or lawsuit services.

(Source: Alien Occupational Control Division, Department of Employment Ministry of Labor and Social Welfare.)

The official definition of “work” in Thailand is "to engage in work by exerting energy or using knowledge whether or not in consideration of wages or other benefits" (Source: Thai Ministry of Labour). Punishments for those defying the law include fines, imprisonment, deportation and possible blacklisting thus preventing return to Thailand. Any employer ignoring this law can also be imprisoned and/or fined. It should be noted that the law does not simply define work as doing something in return for financial reward (thus volunteers in Thailand need proper Visas and Work Permits to even volunteer in Thailand without pay). All foreigners who get offered jobs in Thailand must still have the proper Visa and a valid Work Permit to be legally employed in Thailand. For the steps in getting your Work permit in Thailand see http://www.thaivisa.com/288.0.html .

These work limits do not apply to foreigners who have gained Thai citizenship or foreigners who are now Permanent Residents of Thailand (for info on Permanent Residency see http://www.thaivisa.com/300.0.html ).

What he really means: The good wife is looking to open a small food&beverage related business.

Problem solved.

Problem solved if he doesn't breath when near the shop.

[wayned]

Don't!

[whybother]

Don't!

Excellent advice.

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[raro]

First off, we do not know whether the OP is Thai or not. Secondly, he asked a question and deserves an answer.

I doubt you can open such shop as a foreigner, unless you make it as a company, employ Thai staff and manage the place. Forget about working there in the meaning of washing dishes and serving drinks.

As for the start-up costs....how long is a string? I was looking into setting up a delicatessen a couple of months ago and the inventory would have cost close to 2 Mio Baht...I walked away from it.

[InteractiveThailand]

In regards to start-up costs, this can be split into two parts:

1. The legal costs for the company structure that will be required for you to operate a restaurant/pub with the proper work permit(s). With limited details I would suggest that you are looking at expenses in the neighborhood of 75-100K including all government fees, work permit and licensing. Please feel free to explore the options and costs on our website or contact us directly to refine a solution.

2. The cost for the actual establishment. This is really up to you. There is no minimum or maximum investment in this regard - the key is to have the right company set-up to remain legal.

[jamescollister]

Song, if you are talking small hobby shop for wife outside big cities or tourist areas. Minimal cost. That of coarse means little money earned. Wife started a small farang/ Thai milk shake shop in the front of the house in the village. Total cost 3000 Baht, it's all about where and what that costs. Jim