The England Squad For The Euro'S

[StevieH]

Club bias creeping in here me thinks......

not at all. just think it's unreasonable to ask a group of players to win the opening two matches and get england through the group for one of them to then be dropped for an irresponsible potato-headed pensioner-porker. unfair really. rooney should reap what he sowed.

[LucidLucifer]

Club bias creeping in here me thinks......

not at all. just think it's unreasonable to ask a group of players to win the opening two matches and get england through the group for one of them to then be dropped for an irresponsible potato-headed pensioner-porker. unfair really. rooney should reap what he sowed.

Players get suspended, players get injured, players get dropped....they all miss games, and that is why we take a squad...not just a first choice eleven.

[LucidLucifer]

I did like the pensioner-porker comment though.....

If you ask me, colleen isn't upto much either....only a slight raising of standards by our Wayney there.

[nev]

England should go for youth, no Gerrard Lampard Terry Ferdinand ect, we have a cat in hells chance of winning it, so blood the young players and let them settle get big game experience and plan for the next world cup.

[LucidLucifer]

England should go for youth, no Gerrard Lampard Terry Ferdinand ect, we have a cat in hells chance of winning it, so blood the young players and let them settle get big game experience and plan for the next world cup.

While I agree no Ferdinand, the other three are leaders both on and off the pitch. They all have big game experience, tournament experience and have basically been there and done it at club level. You need old hands around to bring on the young guns.

All three, although admitedly past their prime, are still class acts, and we sadly haven't got many of those.

Edited April 18, 2012 by LucidLucifer

[StevieH]

England should go for youth, no Gerrard Lampard Terry Ferdinand ect, we have a cat in hells chance of winning it, so blood the young players and let them settle get big game experience and plan for the next world cup.

While I agree no Ferdinand, the other three are leaders both on and off the pitch. They all have big game experience, tournament experience and have basically been there and done it at club level. You need old hands around to bring on the young guns.

All three, although admitedly past their prime, are still class acts, and we sadly haven't got many of those.

i wouldn't have terry anywhere near the squad. he's a serial underachiever at international level and has proven that his supposed leadership qualities as captain of england are frankly not up to much. not to mention that he's well past his best as a player. and should have an eye on his forthcoming court case just after the euros too.

there are enough senior-ish players around to bring through the youngsters without relying on the gobshite generation.

[carmine]

They'll pick the same old has been/never weres that have made personal fortunes by being dog average in their sport at the top level. The team will be lead by a coach that has achieved nothing at the top level and never will. Were it not for his impending court case, the team would certainly be captained by one of the most vile individuals ever to play for our country.

[LucidLucifer]

Some of you guys virtriolic ramblings against English players makes me think that you should go and write for the UK tabloids. You seem good at sensationalising things, while forgeting/suspending any considered or reasoned facts......so sad.

Pesonally, I wouldn't give a toss, except people like yourselves are a major part of the problem. It is little wonder that the players bottle it at crucial moments. They know the vultures are circling.

And all your response is 'bring on the young 'uns!'

Is that so you've got some new cannon fodder to critisise and ridicule?

[carmine]

Some of you guys virtriolic ramblings against English players makes me think that you should go and write for the UK tabloids. You seem good at sensationalising things, while forgeting/suspending any considered or reasoned facts......so sad.

Pesonally, I wouldn't give a toss, except people like yourselves are a major part of the problem. It is little wonder that the players bottle it at crucial moments. They know the vultures are circling.

And all your response is 'bring on the young 'uns!'

Is that so you've got some new cannon fodder to critisise and ridicule?

Well generally speaking they are a sad buch of individuals bar a few exceptions and nothing to be proud of whatsoever.

Respect is earnt pal and this modern day bunch of cretins are a long way from earning that. It has nothing to do with tabloids. Look at their combination of behaviour and actual international achievement and i rest my case.

[LucidLucifer]

Look at their combination of behaviour and actual international achievement and i rest my case.

I won't defend the behaviour of some individuals, but they're young lads, and young lads have their moments. I know I did, and I bet most people on this forum did too. The difference being, we didn't have a mob of papparazzi following us, and newspaper editors wanting to sell more copies.

If you're talking about International achievement, don't be so shallow. You sound like you think we have a right to win every tournament. We don't. There are many, many, many good teams in the world. We compete with those teams, and compete with them well overall. We all want more, but there are limitations in the English game that need fixing at grass routes level.

I was as disappointed at anyone at our performance in S.Africa, but you seem to forget we had a great qualifying, and we have had a good qualifying for this tournament. Lots of teams fail to make it even that far.

Most importantly, these players do have my respect, and my admiration. I am English, they are our boys, and I can and will get behind them, as any true fan would, Pal.

[StevieH]

Some of you guys virtriolic ramblings against English players makes me think that you should go and write for the UK tabloids. You seem good at sensationalising things, while forgeting/suspending any considered or reasoned facts......so sad.

Pesonally, I wouldn't give a toss, except people like yourselves are a major part of the problem. It is little wonder that the players bottle it at crucial moments. They know the vultures are circling.

And all your response is 'bring on the young 'uns!'

Is that so you've got some new cannon fodder to critisise and ridicule?

another way of looking at it - as i've pointed out to you i don't like or support the england national team - is that 'we' are capable of being more brutally honest and objective about england's likely performance at the euros. you support them and want to, that's fair enough and your choice. but i suspect your hope and your patriotism are blinding you a wee bit to the current generation of england players' consistent failings at tournament level.

given that they're among the best-paid players in the world and supposedly play in the best league in the world etc the showings of the likes of ferdinand, terry, lampard, gerrard, barry and all the rest at international tournaments has been absolutely pathetic. so why persist with them when you know you're going to see more of the same? rip it up and start again. have a decent crack at the 2014 world cup with a generation of players who, hopefully, will see world cups as more than a chance for a jolly and to get a book out.

[LucidLucifer]

I'm not expecting us to win it, i may be patriotic, but i'm not blind like you say. There is always a chance though. Look at Denmark and Greece.

I'd actually say my understanding of our limitations is exactly why I don't think we should be so quick to dump our senior players. Instead of blaming our most talented, why don't you point the blame at the manager and the other squad members? They were the ones who were clearly not fit for purpose (if you look at the squad I posted, they were pretty much cut from it).

Only if you expected those talented few to win us the world cup, purely on their own, can you blame them for it.

Edited April 18, 2012 by LucidLucifer

[LucidLucifer]

This would be my starting 11 for the Euros.

Hart

Walker Jones Lescott Cole

Parker© Rodwell Young

Walcott Sturridge Welbeck

Rooney would probably come in for Sturridge when he is back. I hope you can see, it bares no resemblance to the world cup team.

[StevieH]

that's a pretty lightweight midfield mate - or are you lining up with a 4-2-3-1? rodwell's barely played this year and when he has hasn't looked all that. bit of a gamble call that no?

[carmine]

Look at their combination of behaviour and actual international achievement and i rest my case.

I won't defend the behaviour of some individuals, but they're young lads, and young lads have their moments. I know I did, and I bet most people on this forum did too. The difference being, we didn't have a mob of papparazzi following us, and newspaper editors wanting to sell more copies.

If you're talking about International achievement, don't be so shallow. You sound like you think we have a right to win every tournament. We don't. There are many, many, many good teams in the world. We compete with those teams, and compete with them well overall. We all want more, but there are limitations in the English game that need fixing at grass routes level.

I was as disappointed at anyone at our performance in S.Africa, but you seem to forget we had a great qualifying, and we have had a good qualifying for this tournament. Lots of teams fail to make it even that far.

Most importantly, these players do have my respect, and my admiration. I am English, they are our boys, and I can and will get behind them, as any true fan would, Pal.

Don't be so childish as to suggest that because the like of these failures not having my "respect and admiration" i will not support england as a true "fan."

I'm english so i support them but if you find in them so much to respect and admire you pal set your standards pitifully low.

Secondly we qualify well because in qualifying you generally play the lesser teams. Its when it gets to the finals, the business end that our players fall short.

Finally why do i sound like i expect us to win every tournament? i thought i made my point in crystal clarity i think we are dog average! We haven't won a major tournament in nearly forty seven years or infact even reached a final unless i'm mistaken.

Going to have to do a bit better than that lucifer to prove me shallow

[LucidLucifer]

I don't need to prove anything. The fact you resort to nothing more than name-calling when talking about England players, and do not back anything up with realistic, tangible alternatives of your own, means you are doing a perfectly adequate job of it yourself.

True fans in my book follow there team through thick and thin.

A dog average team with a FIFA ranking of #4. Stats would seem to point otherwise. Dog average would put us somewhere around 20 or so at a guess.

[carmine]

This would be my starting 11 for the Euros.

Hart

Walker Jones Lescott Cole

Parker© Rodwell Young

Walcott Sturridge Welbeck

Rooney would probably come in for Sturridge when he is back. I hope you can see, it bares no resemblance to the world cup team.

Would you really go into a euro finals match with that midfield? It'll be ripped apart, steamrolled.

Cashleys lost his pace aswell, nothing like the player he was. Walker, yes one for the future but he gets so easily pulled out of position. Lightening going forward but still defensively naive.

I've never seen Sturridge actually pass the ball. Wellbeck?

[LucidLucifer]

that's a pretty lightweight midfield mate - or are you lining up with a 4-2-3-1? rodwell's barely played this year and when he has hasn't looked all that. bit of a gamble call that no?

A bit of a gamble, agreed, yes. He's had 16 club and 5 International/U21appearances. But if we're going to do what you agree with, and to blood the young players, each one is a gamble.

[LucidLucifer]

This would be my starting 11 for the Euros.

Hart

Walker Jones Lescott Cole

Parker© Rodwell Young

Walcott Sturridge Welbeck

Rooney would probably come in for Sturridge when he is back. I hope you can see, it bares no resemblance to the world cup team.

Would you really go into a euro finals match with that midfield? It'll be ripped apart, steamrolled.

Cashleys lost his pace aswell, nothing like the player he was. Walker, yes one for the future but he gets so easily pulled out of position. Lightening going forward but still defensively naive.

I've never seen Sturridge actually pass the ball. Wellbeck?

As ever, quick to critisise, but slow to offer any alternatives. Please, please give us what you would do. I stand to be enlightened. You may actually be surprised, instead of pulling it apart, I may agree.

[smokie36]

Bring on the Euros. I'm really looking forward to this tournament!

[carmine]

This would be my starting 11 for the Euros.

Hart

Walker Jones Lescott Cole

Parker© Rodwell Young

Walcott Sturridge Welbeck

Rooney would probably come in for Sturridge when he is back. I hope you can see, it bares no resemblance to the world cup team.

Would you really go into a euro finals match with that midfield? It'll be ripped apart, steamrolled.

Cashleys lost his pace aswell, nothing like the player he was. Walker, yes one for the future but he gets so easily pulled out of position. Lightening going forward but still defensively naive.

I've never seen Sturridge actually pass the ball. Wellbeck?

As ever, quick to critisise, but slow to offer any alternatives. Please, please give us what you would do. I stand to be enlightened. You may actually be surprised, instead of pulling it apart, I may agree.

Thats just it...i can't think of a really decent team to pick either. All i can do is comment on your team which would get torn apart i'm afraid. i think it has a lot to do with the cream of the premier league being foreign.

if you can find a really good side i'd be delighted to give it the thumbs up.

Edited April 18, 2012 by carmine

[smokie36]

Come on MrRed....let's see your first 11....

[carmine]

Come on MrRed....let's see your first 11....

Bog off smokie, the only finals you lot will reach is the european croquet championships for U12's

[smokie36]

Come on MrRed....let's see your first 11....

Bog off smokie, the only finals you lot will reach is the european croquet championships for U12's

Only a few weeks to go lol....

[LucidLucifer]

Thats just it...i can't think of a really decent team to pick either.

Dear Mr Platini,

With much regret I write to inform you that England will be withrdrawing its team from the forthcoming European Championships. Despite having over 4000 registered professional players, we can't find a team.

Yours sincerely,

Carmine (England Manager)

Edited April 18, 2012 by LucidLucifer

[carmine]

Thats just it...i can't think of a really decent team to pick either.

Dear Mr Platini,

With much regret I write to inform you that England will be withrdrawing its team from the forthcoming European Championships. Despite having over 4000 registered professional players, we can't find a team.

Yours sincerely,

Carmine (England Manager)

You are such a defeatist.

btw, when you can find a squad capable of winning these european championships (or the next world cup) out of those 4000 registered players be sure to PM me.

Re the England job, fact is i'd prefer to remain at club level where i'm confident i'd do an excellent job being blessed with all the knowledge, flair, guile and tactical prowess that is required to perform and win at the highest level. however i would not like the press intrusion that the tabloids deem compulsary at international level.

Edited April 18, 2012 by carmine

[smokie36]

I know your best team......but as Sir said to me as we enjoyed our after dinner cigars...."I'd never tell that lot..."

Oh how we laughed!

[Abrak]

A dog average team with a FIFA ranking of #4. Stats would seem to point otherwise. Dog average would put us somewhere around 20 or so at a guess.

I would guess that is where the disconnect lies within this thread.

There are those who believe that ranking shows a 'vague' resemblance to England's teams current real ranking in world football and there are those who believe it does not. Those who believe that the current ranks of world class English footballers are just losing their edge and are being pressed to be replaced by a new generation of emerging younger world class players and those who see them turning into dinosaurs and very raw and perhaps not nearly as talented players pushing to replace them. Personally I am not convinced we will have much to offer in World Cup 2014 but I guess it is too early to say.

[LucidLucifer]

Thats just it...i can't think of a really decent team to pick either.

Dear Mr Platini,

With much regret I write to inform you that England will be withrdrawing its team from the forthcoming European Championships. Despite having over 4000 registered professional players, we can't find a team.

Yours sincerely,

Carmine (England Manager)

You are such a defeatist.

Not me.....The letter is signed in your name. Remember, I picked my squad and team, and i'm not the one saying England are rubbish, talentless, have no chance etc, etc.

As regards to the lightweight midfield, all three forwards have the ability to come back into midfield to bolster it, should they be needed, and you have the two holding players, Parker and Rodwell, to provide extra cover when Cole and Walker get forward.

Edited April 18, 2012 by LucidLucifer

[Abrak]

Re the England job, fact is i'd prefer to remain at club level where i'm confident i'd do an excellent job being blessed with all the knowledge, flair, guile and tactical prowess that is required to perform and win at the highest level. however i would not like the press intrusion that the tabloids deem compulsary at international level.

Dear Carmine,

I have not been blessed with the knowledge, flair, guile and tactical prowess that is required to perform and win at the highest level when you are a manager at a club. 'owever I do like the press intrusion that the tabloids deem compulsary at the international level and I know how to turn it to my advantage.

Best regards,

'Ari