webfact Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Mental Patients to Be Released from Chains Picture from the Public Relations Dept (click to enlarge) BANGKOK: -- The Public Health Ministry has put together a campaign aimed at providing official medical help and rehabilitate mental patients who've been kept in chains and restraints across Thailand. Families of mental patients say they keep them chained up to prevent the patients from hurting others and themselves. According to the Department of Mental Health's survey, conducted 4 years ago, less than one percent or 400,000 Thais aged between 15-59 years are suffering from various type of psychotic disorders. The most common type of mental illness suffered by 70 percent of Thais with a mental disorder is Schizophrenia. Schizophrenia patients often require long-term treatment, while nearly 40 percent of the patients will never recover fully from the disorder. These patients will require to take medications for at least 2 - 5 years. If the condition returns for the third time, the patient will require to be medicated for life. In the majority of cases, patients would discontinue to take the medications since they believe they are not ill. The Public Health Ministry admitted there are a large number of mental patients who do not have access to proper medical help. They are often kept in chains or other type of restraints by their relatives. No official number of these patients have been released but the ministry estimates there could be as many as 1,000 patients who are being chained up. The ministry say families of mental patients who have not been able to seek proper medical attention for them restrain the patients to prevent them from hurting themselves, destroying private and public property or hurting others. Under the ministry's new campaign, to be launched on March 1, 2012, proper medical help will be provided to these patients. It hopes to be able to treat and rehabilitate all of the patients by the end of 2012. At the cost of Bt20,000/patient, the ministry forecast it'll need a budget of approximately 15 million baht. Psychiatric illness is already currently being covered by the state sponsored free universal health care program. The Department of Mental Health hopes to carry out the campaign in three phases: First Phase (March, 2012): Locate patients who are being kept in chains/restraints Second Phrase (April-June): Provide treatment Third Phrase: Rehabilitate patients, educate community about mental disorders to prevent patients from being kept in restraints in the future. -- Tan Network 2012-02-17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 A program doomed to fail. There are not enough mental health professionals in the country to provide even rudimentary care. It is wrong to chain patients, but I fear the outcome may be much much worse if the patients are unshackled and left unsupervised. Damned if you and damned if you don't. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Chains? What century is this? Surely any Thai national deseres better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 A program doomed to fail. There are not enough mental health professionals in the country to provide even rudimentary care. It is wrong to chain patients, but I fear the outcome may be much much worse if the patients are unshackled and left unsupervised. Damned if you and damned if you don't. In the Uk they don't just release them from chains, but from detention altogether in a move given the wonderful moniker 'Care in the community'. Only the other year a passenger was pushed to his death in front of a train by a loon so released. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pib Posted February 17, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2012 Chains? What century is this? Surely any Thai national deseres better. Is the western version of being kept in strait-jacket in a padded cell any better? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonableman Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) Who's the happy chappie, presumably with padlock keys, in the photo? Nice photo-op. Edited February 17, 2012 by Reasonableman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryParent Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 There must be a lot more nutters in this place than stated above. Often it feels like the place is full of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatboy Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 There must be a lot more nutters in this place than stated above. Often it feels like the place is full of them! there's a few out on the roads. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) Possibly in reference to "House Battle Breaks Out" the Public Health Ministry explained this move by saying it only seemed fair as politicians were already let off the leash and allowed to roam freely Edited February 17, 2012 by rubl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rijit Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 eSorry to be picky, but people have mental health issues and labelling them 'mental patients' doesn't really help. Chains!!! what a terrible thing to do to anyone but the positive is they are looking to stop it. Mental health is such dificult topic, ridiculously people ridicule it, Why? apart from them being abso stupid and generally ignorant , theres big issues about it being something society and us as individuals really dont cant understand , so it's easier to joke about it than deal with it. A Big up to the authorities for their efforts to move on and improve things lets hope they succeed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post otherstuff1957 Posted February 17, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2012 The asylums in the US were pretty much emptied a few decades ago. The Right wanted to cut costs and the Left wanted the patients to be "returned to the community". Many people who should be receiving mental care in the US are now homeless. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Many people who should be receiving mental care in the US are now homeless. I read some statistics some time ago that a fairly large number of homeless do have psychological problems. The question is, are they homeless due to mental illness or have a mental illness due to being homeless? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rijit Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Chains? What century is this? Surely any Thai national deseres better. Is the western version of being kept in strait-jacket in a padded cell any better? Read the article again dont just twist it into a racial issue, if you have racial issue's perhaps you need to talk to someone about them. and yes the stuctured use of a straight jacket, and a padded cell would be far preferably to chains and can i add that straight jackets, these days, in the UK, i wouldn't say never used, but are v v seldom used. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rijit Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 The asylums in the US were pretty much emptied a few decades ago. The Right wanted to cut costs and the Left wanted the patients to be "returned to the community". Many people who should be receiving mental care in the US are now homeless. Virtually the same scenario in the uk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rijit Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Many people who should be receiving mental care in the US are now homeless. I read some statistics some time ago that a fairly large number of homeless do have psychological problems. The question is, are they homeless due to mental illness or have a mental illness due to being homeless? It'sthe chicken and egg argument, which came first?. Perhaps you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antipodesant Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 A program doomed to fail. There are not enough mental health professionals in the country to provide even rudimentary care. It is wrong to chain patients, but I fear the outcome may be much much worse if the patients are unshackled and left unsupervised. Damned if you and damned if you don't. This is the 21st century and this 5th world country is still employing primitive practices that developed countries abandoned way more than a 100 years ago. God Save Us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Macmundi Posted February 17, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2012 NO one should be in chains especially the mentally ill. They must be helped. The only people who needs to be in chains are murderers and politicians. Well, politicians need to have their mouths gagged as well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybobthedog Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 "The most common type of mental illness suffered by 70 percent of Thais with a mental disorder is Schizophrenia." Is that 70% of the poulation? If so it seems a bit on the low side! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unkomoncents Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 The headline for this article is hilARIOUS! I feel like we're back in the 60's at the local drive-in movie theater. "[Murderous]Mental Patients on the Loose!" would be good as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRS1 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Chains? What century is this? Surely any Thai national deseres better. Is the western version of being kept in strait-jacket in a padded cell any better? Read the article again dont just twist it into a racial issue, if you have racial issue's perhaps you need to talk to someone about them. and yes the stuctured use of a straight jacket, and a padded cell would be far preferably to chains and can i add that straight jackets, these days, in the UK, i wouldn't say never used, but are v v seldom used. Straight jackets are worse, you cant scratch your ass and go even crazier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchai Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) First Phase (March, 2012): Locate patients who are being kept in chains/restraints Second Phrase (April-June): Provide treatment Third Phrase: Rehabilitate patients, educate community about mental disorders to prevent patients from being kept in restraints in the future. I've got a relative in my family, who'd tried to commit suicide two times. He's sometimes in "See Maha Poo" (mental hospital), sometimes in the village. They've tried strange electro shock therapies, the medication always sucks.How can you rehabilitate mentally sick patients? You can only try the right medication and this could go on for years to find the right solution.( In this country) It's like the tablets for little kids.First Phase: Buy some shitty shitty stuff. Second PHRASE: Forgive them, because they don't know what they do. Third PHRASE: Only two things are endless. Human stupidity and the universe. Not sure about the universe. (Albert E.) Here's a link about EST in English and Thai....... http://med5ubu.forumth.com/t13-topic Edited February 17, 2012 by sirchai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIWIBATCH Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Chains? What century is this? Surely any Thai national deseres better. Is the western version of being kept in strait-jacket in a padded cell any better? Read the article again dont just twist it into a racial issue, if you have racial issue's perhaps you need to talk to someone about them. and yes the stuctured use of a straight jacket, and a padded cell would be far preferably to chains and can i add that straight jackets, these days, in the UK, i wouldn't say never used, but are v v seldom used. Straight jackets are worse, you cant scratch your ass and go even crazier. Yes but you can still lick the windows 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penwithchris Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) Mental patients in Singapore are put to death if they try to commit suicide?? Edited February 17, 2012 by metisdead Font reset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daak Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I went to a similar situation (home-house rehab) in Penang (Malaysia) yesterday and they tie the patients with ropes to the walls. It seems to be one way although very inhumane to forcefully control those who the governments seems to wish to forget about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonableman Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 http://youtu.be/pALWIj9ketA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rijit Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 First Phase (March, 2012): Locate patients who are being kept in chains/restraints Second Phrase (April-June): Provide treatment Third Phrase: Rehabilitate patients, educate community about mental disorders to prevent patients from being kept in restraints in the future. I've got a relative in my family, who'd tried to commit suicide two times. He's sometimes in "See Maha Poo" (mental hospital), sometimes in the village. They've tried strange electro shock therapies, the medication always sucks.How can you rehabilitate mentally sick patients? You can only try the right medication and this could go on for years to find the right solution.( In this country) It's like the tablets for little kids.First Phase: Buy some shitty shitty stuff. Second PHRASE: Forgive them, because they don't know what they do. Third PHRASE: Only two things are endless. Human stupidity and the universe. Not sure about the universe. (Albert E.) Here's a link about EST in English and Thai....... http://med5ubu.forumth.com/t13-topic is even in the supposedly advanced countries the methods of dealing with mental health issues can be almost seemingly random . and almost experimental. no easy answer i'm afraid . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post barrybankruad Posted February 17, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2012 Typical of many Thai Visa posters, trivialising a very serious problem. I'll bet all of you wha think this subject is funny, good for a laugh, taunt or joke, would not have such a smirk on your face if it were a relative or close friend that suffered from such a condition. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowslip Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Jeeeezus H Christ! How can Thai people tolerate this sort of thing going on in their own country????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchai Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) Typical of many Thai Visa posters, trivialising a very serious problem. I'll bet all of you wha think this subject is funny, good for a laugh, taunt or joke, would not have such a smirk on your face if it were a relative or close friend that suffered from such a condition. Typical of many Thai Visa posters, trivialising a very serious problem.. To be honest, it was more the word PHRASES that changed it all. Here's it again: :First Phase (March, 2012): Locate patients who are being kept in chains/restraints Second Phrase (April-June): Provide treatment Third Phrase: Rehabilitate patients, educate community about mental disorders to prevent patients from being kept in restraints in the future. We do suffer with my wife's brother's mental health, as the whole family does. I drove him a few thousand km's around, looking for help,I always bring him to a mental hospital for treatment. I check the medication on-line if it's any good for him. Being in touch with my niece, who's a doctor, to help him. I help him financially, as the family is poor. Would I cry and whine every day, it wouldn't change the situation, would it? Seems to me that you don't understand any humor. Can't change this country, roughly said, trying to live in and with it. Sorry, never wanted to hurt anybody's feelings. Edited February 17, 2012 by sirchai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kirk0233 Posted February 17, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2012 Chaining persons with mental illness is totally barbaric. One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest lives in Thailand. I worked in the mental health field in the 1970s when the atrocities from the book were going on. The abuse and neglect defenseless patients suffered at the hands of the state were more sophisticated than chains, but still indecent. Things have improved, but Thailand is completely backward with respect to public information regarding mental illness and its treatment and training for mental health providers. The highest degree in psychology in Thailand is a bachelor degree. The idea that you should go off medication for schizophrenia a few times is a joke as well. Medication is required for life since it is not curable, only treatable. It is a biological condition triggered by environmental factors. If electroshock therapy is used it should only be used for bipolar disorder, not schizophrenia. It is an old treatment that has been improved, but can still cause memory loss. It is not supposed to be punishment. Psychotherapy is not even licensed here or taught from what I gather and I don't know if the training of psychiatrists here is adequate. Research in mental illness has been generally neglected by the medical community worldwide even though there are twice as many people with schizophrenia as there are with HIV/AIDS. I hope these defenseless and politically disenfranchised people get out of their shackles. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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