Red Shirts Stage Anti-Coup Rally In Khao Yai

[oldsailor35]

It's 5 1/2 years after the September-2006 coup, this is the third TRT/PPP/PTP-government to run the country after the military returned power to the electorate...

Why the talk of reducing the judiciary's independence,

You answer your own question in a way.It's quite clear that many millions of Thai do not really regard the judiciary as independent and indeed prone, on direction , to political meddling when the nation's choice doesn't meet the agreement of powerful unelected elites.It is now widely accepted that the military coup approach is counterproductive (though in my opinion the sheer boneheadedness of some senior generals is difficult to underestimate).Therefore the reds are understandably nervous about more frivolous judicial solutions (let's call it the TV cooking syndrome).Actually I think their fears are misplaced and in any case its more likely Thai style a deal will be stitched up behind the scenes.Shades of the final chapter of Animal Farm.

Many Thai regard the judiciary as not independent, they learn from Thaksin (2001)

Italien people took longtime to understand Berlustconi, now they kicked him out.

Thai people will kick out Thaksin, it will take more time.. PPT MP's already think about.

Its about time a few "pea brains" learned that Thai political history goes further back than 2001 !

[oldsailor35]

A referendum right now would be democratic and fair....... but not in Thailand at the moment. How do you think the type of person who attended that concert yesterday are going to vote? They will vote the way they are told to vote. Its pseudo-democracy, that employs effective brain washing techniques. All to bring about the return of a virtual dictator!

I agree with some of the posts above, i find it a little bit worrying that we are hearing absolutely nothing from the rival colours. At least if they held a small rally and spewed some rhetoric they would be sticking to form. The silence is a little bit ominous!

They will vote the way they are told paid to vote.

Please note ! the yellow shirts did not need to pay each other, they are mostly rich well off businessmen and have already got plenty of money and power over the masses. However its worth noting , that they gave the army a massive increase in budget as a reward for handing them government...........and guess what , it was'nt even their own bloody money. It is also worth noting that when the redshirts won the elections with a massive majority, one of the first things they did was to reduce this big army "back hander" = Money back to the people !

Far from the truth, many PAD folks are middle class, more likely to have a bit more education, many just above the survival line.

Plus there are many rich folks who support pt and it's puppet master, and not because of ideology, but because pt policies are good for their own business activities.

You are probably dead right there, but this is Thailand, wake up and smell the roses !

[oldsailor35]

Red Shirts stage anti-coup rally in khao Yai, #1^

• More than 10,000 people had arrived at the venue before dusk. Police Major General Phanu Kerdlarpphol, head of Region 3 police, said 500 officers had been deployed for the concert.
  

Awright, lets play the numbers game.

A favorite trick of oppositional attempts to diminish red Shirt events, is to do the above.

Quote a partial figure, innocently claiming that it is at the outset. As if newsies are eager to report, and are already doing so as "people begin to gather".

But the intent is actually to fixate a low number in people's mind, and has nothing to do with reporting "at the outset of the event"

So how many people were at the Red Shirt event in Khao Yai, from which I returned home around 5:30 AM?

It is difficult estimating numbers, just based on what is in front of the stage. Huge numbers are wandering the grounds at the same time.

In front of the stage, people were gathered shoulder-to-shoulder in a semi-circle. From the back periphery of the semi-circle to the stage was around 500 meters, or 1/2 a kilometer. Add to that all those wandering the site, or those sitting by their personal encampments at their tents.

Another physical feature were the screen relay's outward from the stage. There were five layers of them spreading outward.

So what does all this mean?

It means a guestimate of 300,000.

Perhaps 300,000 is on the high side, but eliminate from your thinking the 10,000 figure from above quote.

Well we are at least getting some honesty in reporting numbers rather than anti red PANICK counting from as far away as Bangkok .

[whybother]

Well we are at least getting some honesty in reporting numbers rather than anti red PANICK counting from as far away as Bangkok .

Honesty?

[scorecard]

I actually have nothing against having a socialist and even a communist party in Thailand but I think as one poster pointed out ... the leaders of the reds pitch a great socialist theme to the lemmings that follow them blindly but in reality their agenda is about lining their own pockets and those of big business at the expense of their followers.

So true.

So ! if any particular party appeals to you and that is the leadership you want, what do you do...........yes, clever lad, you follow it. The fact that there are so many followers only means that this is the party most desired by the people and the fact that the Dems are not after all, "Born to rule"

'Born to rule' when did the Dems say or suggest that?

'Most desired by the people', sorry but IMHO this means the party which is best at hoodwinking very large numbers of people with short-term items which have no real impact on reducing the gap.

[Nisa]

I actually have nothing against having a socialist and even a communist party in Thailand but I think as one poster pointed out ... the leaders of the reds pitch a great socialist theme to the lemmings that follow them blindly but in reality their agenda is about lining their own pockets and those of big business at the expense of their followers.

So true.

So ! if any particular party appeals to you and that is the leadership you want, what do you do...........yes, clever lad, you follow it. The fact that there are so many followers only means that this is the party most desired by the people and the fact that the Dems are not after all, "Born to rule"

I think the issue is that "so many followers" are so obviously duped in both current history and past history. The list is too long to even mention of extremely corrupt and/or evil leaders having mass followers ... one doesn't even need to look far to see "followers" who are willing to give their life for what their leader preach or to take the lives of thousands of innocent people.

[oldsailor35]

This country is rapidly becoming like a communist state. Where all are created equal but some are more equal than others.

Very sad that most of these red supporters can't see the bigger picture Toxsin has in store for them.

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Exactly, 'meet the new boss, same as the old boss', it is just about executing the current elite and replacing them with their elite, while the Thai majority still remain slaves.

Some months ago I took the time to translate a short text that deals with that issue:

"If the people are not educated, if their rights are not explained, if every man does not know his own worth, what he is capable of and what is owed to him, new illusions will succeed the old ones, and after faltering for some time amid a thousand uncertainties, it may come to be that our fortune will be to replace tyrants without destroying tyranny."

Prologue of Mariano Moreno to Rousseau's "The Social Contract"

If the Calgaryll, as UDD/PTP/Thaksin mouthpiece is any indication, is obvious that the movement has no idea of what Democracy entails. They are under Thaksin & Co. perception management spell, thoroughly isolated in their Red Bubble kept angry and scared so as to be more easily manipulated. Fomenting paranoia and divisions in society.

The thing is, that under Thaksin the country was surging ahead, tourism was doing well, the economy was looking up, people were getting jobs and except for the drug cartel, Thailand had the future to look forward to.

Thaksin made the mistake of trying to destroy the drug lords, and of trying to help the poorer people of Thailand. Unfortunately this was becoming at the expense of the hi-so ruling classes of Bangkok and could not be tolerated so whilst he was away, the "Snake in the grass" Sonthi began to wriggle on behalf of his "Hi-so" community and hence the army coup. From then on there commenced a huge anti Thaksin brain washing program which was obviously very successful as many (not all) are still believing everything that is said, detrimental to Thaksin. Now i do not intend arguing about this as it would be near impossible to convince the brainwashed otherwise.

[CalgaryII]

So, exactly how many people did attend this free concert?

First off, it was not a concert.

It was an 'in-your-face" political gathering to coupists, and to maintain the vitality of these thoroughly politicized people.

I now some arrogant opposition types and coupists, don't think these people have the ability to have a political gathering, as your comments about a "free concert" suggest.

But that sort of condescending and and contemptuous attitude has landed the Opposition squarely on the political sidelines where they belong, and where they will remain for the foreseeable future.

How many people were there?.......best estimate of those present, including yours truly, was around 300,000.

Reviewing many Posts in this thread regarding this question, provides the following insight:

• Those who were not present and speak out of the 'condescending and contemptuous" attitude referenced above, would suggest a hugely reduced number.
  
• Those not so attitudinally inclined, also talk of reduced numbers simply from parotting anti-Red Shirt media.
  
• Then there are those who out of pure anti-Red Shirt agenda motives, prognosticate about vastly reduced numbers simply because that is what they want.
  

And as I said, underestimating the Red Shirts like that has placed them on the "outside looking in"

Poor babies.

[oldsailor35]

I do not in any way exonerate Taksin from all blame of 'shady' deals, but for goodness sake you have to realise the man is a Thai politician, find me just one who can be proven "squeeky clean"

[CalgaryII]

This country is rapidly becoming like a communist state. Where all are created equal but some are more equal than others.

Very sad that most of these red supporters can't see the bigger picture Toxsin has in store for them.

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Exactly, 'meet the new boss, same as the old boss', it is just about executing the current elite and replacing them with their elite, while the Thai majority still remain slaves.

Some months ago I took the time to translate a short text that deals with that issue:

"If the people are not educated, if their rights are not explained, if every man does not know his own worth, what he is capable of and what is owed to him, new illusions will succeed the old ones, and after faltering for some time amid a thousand uncertainties, it may come to be that our fortune will be to replace tyrants without destroying tyranny."

Prologue of Mariano Moreno to Rousseau's "The Social Contract"

If the Calgaryll, as UDD/PTP/Thaksin mouthpiece is any indication, is obvious that the movement has no idea of what Democracy entails. They are under Thaksin & Co. perception management spell, thoroughly isolated in their Red Bubble kept angry and scared so as to be more easily manipulated. Fomenting paranoia and divisions in society.

The thing is, that under Thaksin the country was surging ahead, tourism was doing well, the economy was looking up, people were getting jobs and except for the drug cartel, Thailand had the future to look forward to.

Thaksin made the mistake of trying to destroy the drug lords, and of trying to help the poorer people of Thailand. Unfortunately this was becoming at the expense of the hi-so ruling classes of Bangkok and could not be tolerated so whilst he was away, the "Snake in the grass" Sonthi began to wriggle on behalf of his "Hi-so" community and hence the army coup. From then on there commenced a huge anti Thaksin brain washing program which was obviously very successful as many (not all) are still believing everything that is said, detrimental to Thaksin. Now i do not intend arguing about this as it would be near impossible to convince the brainwashed otherwise.

Bingo!

I have never before seen someone criminalized for winning elections though.

That was a new one.

[CalgaryII]

I do not in any way exonerate Taksin from all blame of 'shady' deals, but for goodness sake you have to realise the man is a Thai politician, find me just one who can be proven "squeeky clean"

A Thai Politician with a difference however.

One who constantly won elections, and that is a no-no.

So what to do?

Coup him first, then criminalize him to justify the coup.

Even to the extent of re-writing the constitution with one man in mind, which they are now fighting tooth and nail to retain.

They are trying to reverse the charge now, suggesting Constitutional Reform has one man in mind. Trying to ignore the fact they did it originally

The repetitive use of the descriptor 'fugitive', is also part of that criminalizing process.

Not a complicated approach to rid oneself of one's political enemies.

[whybother]

The thing is, that under Thaksin the country was surging ahead, tourism was doing well, the economy was looking up, people were getting jobs and except for the drug cartel, Thailand had the future to look forward to.

Thaksin made the mistake of trying to destroy the drug lords, and of trying to help the poorer people of Thailand. Unfortunately this was becoming at the expense of the hi-so ruling classes of Bangkok and could not be tolerated so whilst he was away, the "Snake in the grass" Sonthi began to wriggle on behalf of his "Hi-so" community and hence the army coup. From then on there commenced a huge anti Thaksin brain washing program which was obviously very successful as many (not all) are still believing everything that is said, detrimental to Thaksin. Now i do not intend arguing about this as it would be near impossible to convince the brainwashed otherwise.

The thing is, under Thaksin, there was a global economic boom.

[whybother]

How many people were there?.......best estimate of those present, including yours truly, was around 300,000.

300,000 wasn't the best estimate. You estimated up to 500,000. Some one mentioned a million too. That beats your estimate hands down.

Has anyone been able to find a reliable source with a reliable estimate?

[Nisa]

So, exactly how many people did attend this free concert?

First off, it was not a concert.

<snip>

I tend to stop reading anything when the first sentence of the material is dishonest. By the way, it was not just a concert, it was a "Free Concert"

[oldsailor35]

Why do Red Shirt supporters fall for this style of brain-washing! It makes them look like a crowd of zombie's chanting the name of some god they worship...the God Thaksin.

I thought about this.

I mean the vociforous anti-Red Shirt opinionating as above.

The above one trying to reduce the Political awareness of these people to be one of association, lacking any sort of broad political self-interests. Other denigrating opinionating focusses on arrogant and contemptuously claiming their intellectual limitations, and by inference Oppositional conceit and exaggerated self-opinion.

In a nutshell, a fellow Poster previously summed them up as follows:

Tlansford, #458

"When I have through red Shirt protests, the protests were (1) huge, (2) peaceful, & (3) filled with a wide cross-section of Thai society".

That pretty well describes what I observed yesterday, and at every other rally I have attended.

But then I read these gross misrepresenting characterizations of Red Shirt by some people, and have come to the following conclusions:

1. They are from people who have never been near a RS rally, never had a meaningful interaction with them outside some accidental encounters with a stray RS here or there.
   
2. What they are in fact doing is Parroting what the enemies of the Red Shirt have told them, the Opposition, coupists.
   
3. But this parrotting has two types, the innocnet ones, and the devious ones:
   
   • The innocent parroting is done by those who will read a denigrating version, have other Posters reiterate that stuff, and have no alternative perspectives. They think it must be so.
     
   • The devious ones however, have an agenda of slandering and villifying the Red Shirts. Especially coupists whose only opposition came from these same Red Shirts, which they in turn vengefully and viciously attacked in order to protect their coup.
     

So having experienced these people up close and personal, Tlansfords description above fits the reality to a 'T', and will assign the Parroters parroting to its source, with some understanding of the innocent parroters.

BTW, to show how this Electoral majority political block concur's with their leaders constant vigilance to behind-the-scenes coupist activities, the huge backdrop sign on the stage showed a large hand in the stop mode, with the words "stop Coup".

These people are focussed.

An excellent summation, i too mixed with rallies of large numbers in the lower Sukumvit area. There was no conflict between Police and protesters and everybody conducted themselves in a peaceful and happy manner, except for one middle aged lady who fired a water pistol at police. She was immediately stopped and taken away by redshirt security. Incidentially, she was one of the few that was not displaying something red ! However that was about the same time that the army started their attack towards the temple elsewhere in Bangkok. Room for thought there !

[Nisa]

The thing is, that under Thaksin the country was surging ahead, tourism was doing well, the economy was looking up, people were getting jobs and except for the drug cartel, Thailand had the future to look forward to.

Thaksin made the mistake of trying to destroy the drug lords, and of trying to help the poorer people of Thailand. Unfortunately this was becoming at the expense of the hi-so ruling classes of Bangkok and could not be tolerated so whilst he was away, the "Snake in the grass" Sonthi began to wriggle on behalf of his "Hi-so" community and hence the army coup. From then on there commenced a huge anti Thaksin brain washing program which was obviously very successful as many (not all) are still believing everything that is said, detrimental to Thaksin. Now i do not intend arguing about this as it would be near impossible to convince the brainwashed otherwise.

The thing is, under Thaksin, there was a global economic boom.

If I recall correctly too, Thailand didn't even match the average level of growth the rest of the world saw during this period. Yet, Thailand didn't come close to seeing the melt down much of the rest of the World has seen since 2007 / 2008.

[oldsailor35]

How many did Jatuporn claiom would turn up - 100'000 + ?

Maybe they weren't paying out enough.

What good is money if you can't buy democracy with it?

To reduce the motivations of these people to attend an event of this magnitude to money and not political awareness and objectives, is some more conceited, arrogant ipinionating by Oppositional elements. Who claim unto themselves as being the only purveyors of pure and valid political thinking.

And such arrogance rightfully puts them on the sidelines

I think it's wonderful that the Chemise Rouge held their rally and concert in Khao Yai Park.

I'm not personally concerned with the politics but where in the name of Thaksin do 10,000+ people evacuate their bowels? That would require a convoy of porta potties surely.

OR http://www.thaivisa....elative-stolen/

And don't say they are "all full of shit".

You can get green bags in Big C lololol

[oldsailor35]

Scouse Tommy, #20 above

How do you think the type of person who attended that concert yesterday are going to vote? They will vote the way they are told to vote. Its pseudo-democracy, that employs effective brain washing techniques. All to bring about the return of a virtual dictator!

What is that I have been saying about arrogant, Oppositional types contemptuously dismissing the political motives of the largest political block in the country, while political realities sidelines them for such self-importance demeanor.

These Posts keep confirming it.

So you prove exactly what i was saying, with this ridiculous comment. Every other point of view is 'stupid/crack pot, wrong, misinformed' etc etc. But you are the sole voice of reason (along with your friend K.Thaksin of course). Unlike you i do not consider myself some kind of superior intelligence in the area of Thai politics. I in fact hate 99% of ALL politicians as they are lazy, lying, two faced greasy excuses for human life forms! However i can hold a reasoned conversation, with reasonable people. Unfortunately you are too self important and deluded to join a reasonable conversation. Continue to spout your drivel at will and i will continue to enjoy blatantly ignoring it!

On the contrary Tommy, i am rather inclined to think that you are the "King of drivel" in here. Congratulations !

[scorecard]

Why do Red Shirt supporters fall for this style of brain-washing! It makes them look like a crowd of zombie's chanting the name of some god they worship...the God Thaksin.

I thought about this.

I mean the vociforous anti-Red Shirt opinionating as above.

The above one trying to reduce the Political awareness of these people to be one of association, lacking any sort of broad political self-interests. Other denigrating opinionating focusses on arrogant and contemptuously claiming their intellectual limitations, and by inference Oppositional conceit and exaggerated self-opinion.

In a nutshell, a fellow Poster previously summed them up as follows:

Tlansford, #458

"When I have through red Shirt protests, the protests were (1) huge, (2) peaceful, & (3) filled with a wide cross-section of Thai society".

That pretty well describes what I observed yesterday, and at every other rally I have attended.

But then I read these gross misrepresenting characterizations of Red Shirt by some people, and have come to the following conclusions:

1. They are from people who have never been near a RS rally, never had a meaningful interaction with them outside some accidental encounters with a stray RS here or there.
   
2. What they are in fact doing is Parroting what the enemies of the Red Shirt have told them, the Opposition, coupists.
   
3. But this parrotting has two types, the innocnet ones, and the devious ones:
   
   • The innocent parroting is done by those who will read a denigrating version, have other Posters reiterate that stuff, and have no alternative perspectives. They think it must be so.
     
   • The devious ones however, have an agenda of slandering and villifying the Red Shirts. Especially coupists whose only opposition came from these same Red Shirts, which they in turn vengefully and viciously attacked in order to protect their coup.
     

So having experienced these people up close and personal, Tlansfords description above fits the reality to a 'T', and will assign the Parroters parroting to its source, with some understanding of the innocent parroters.

BTW, to show how this Electoral majority political block concur's with their leaders constant vigilance to behind-the-scenes coupist activities, the huge backdrop sign on the stage showed a large hand in the stop mode, with the words "stop Coup".

These people are focussed.

An excellent summation, i too mixed with rallies of large numbers in the lower Sukumvit area. There was no conflict between Police and protesters and everybody conducted themselves in a peaceful and happy manner, except for one middle aged lady who fired a water pistol at police. She was immediately stopped and taken away by redshirt security. Incidentially, she was one of the few that was not displaying something red ! However that was about the same time that the army started their attack towards the temple elsewhere in Bangkok. Room for thought there !

Load of invented rubbish, you're going to have to do better than that old sailor.

[scorecard]

Why do Red Shirt supporters fall for this style of brain-washing! It makes them look like a crowd of zombie's chanting the name of some god they worship...the God Thaksin.

I thought about this.

I mean the vociforous anti-Red Shirt opinionating as above.

The above one trying to reduce the Political awareness of these people to be one of association, lacking any sort of broad political self-interests. Other denigrating opinionating focusses on arrogant and contemptuously claiming their intellectual limitations, and by inference Oppositional conceit and exaggerated self-opinion.

In a nutshell, a fellow Poster previously summed them up as follows:

Tlansford, #458

"When I have through red Shirt protests, the protests were (1) huge, (2) peaceful, & (3) filled with a wide cross-section of Thai society".

That pretty well describes what I observed yesterday, and at every other rally I have attended.

But then I read these gross misrepresenting characterizations of Red Shirt by some people, and have come to the following conclusions:

1. They are from people who have never been near a RS rally, never had a meaningful interaction with them outside some accidental encounters with a stray RS here or there.
   
2. What they are in fact doing is Parroting what the enemies of the Red Shirt have told them, the Opposition, coupists.
   
3. But this parrotting has two types, the innocnet ones, and the devious ones:
   
   • The innocent parroting is done by those who will read a denigrating version, have other Posters reiterate that stuff, and have no alternative perspectives. They think it must be so.
     
   • The devious ones however, have an agenda of slandering and villifying the Red Shirts. Especially coupists whose only opposition came from these same Red Shirts, which they in turn vengefully and viciously attacked in order to protect their coup.
     

So having experienced these people up close and personal, Tlansfords description above fits the reality to a 'T', and will assign the Parroters parroting to its source, with some understanding of the innocent parroters.

BTW, to show how this Electoral majority political block concur's with their leaders constant vigilance to behind-the-scenes coupist activities, the huge backdrop sign on the stage showed a large hand in the stop mode, with the words "stop Coup".

These people are focussed.

An excellent summation, i too mixed with rallies of large numbers in the lower Sukumvit area. There was no conflict between Police and protesters and everybody conducted themselves in a peaceful and happy manner, except for one middle aged lady who fired a water pistol at police. She was immediately stopped and taken away by redshirt security. Incidentially, she was one of the few that was not displaying something red ! However that was about the same time that the army started their attack towards the temple elsewhere in Bangkok. Room for thought there !

Load of invented rubbish. You'll need to do better than that old sailor.

[CalgaryII]

So, exactly how many people did attend this free concert?

First off, it was not a concert.

<snip>

I tend to stop reading anything when the first sentence of the material is dishonest. By the way, it was not just a concert, it was a "Free Concert"

Disagreement is not dishonesty.

Suggesting such a thing is dishonest.

Having been down this numbers game road before, relating to Red Shirt event attendee figures, I offer the following.

There are four tricks-to-the-trade, when anti-Red Shirts want to suggest and mislead the reader to believe there are lower attendee numbers for Red Shirt events than in reality :

1. The "jolly-on-the-spot" trick............. Reporting with the line, "We are at the event and participants are beginning to arrive. About 10,000 have shown up so far" Of course no other reporting follows, when they see 300,000 like on Saturday. They have accomplished their aim by implanting the lower number 10,000.
   
2. The 'more than' trick....................... Saying that as they see 300,000, the crowd was more than 50,000. As in #1 above, they hope to implant a low figure in the readers minds, and technically they are correct. There are more than 50,000. It doesn't dawn on them that by saying there were more than five, is the same thing and also correct.
   
3. The 'grouping trick"......................... They may see 300,000, but they report in the 'tens-of-thousands". Let the reader imagine what that might be. It avoids mentioning 300,000
   
4. The "policeman trick"....................... It would be journalistically unethical to report a grossly low number when observing a crowd of 300,000. They solve this ethical dilemna, by quoting a policeman - real or imagined. They can gaze out on 300,000, but quote the policeman saying 30,000.
   

[oldsailor35]

As with many of these Posts, one can readily see how important it is for coupists to diminish these numbers.

It is embarassing for them.

and rather frightening i should think !

[janverbeem]

The thing is, that under Thaksin the country was surging ahead, tourism was doing well, the economy was looking up, people were getting jobs and except for the drug cartel, Thailand had the future to look forward to.

Thaksin made the mistake of trying to destroy the drug lords, and of trying to help the poorer people of Thailand. Unfortunately this was becoming at the expense of the hi-so ruling classes of Bangkok and could not be tolerated so whilst he was away, the "Snake in the grass" Sonthi began to wriggle on behalf of his "Hi-so" community and hence the army coup. From then on there commenced a huge anti Thaksin brain washing program which was obviously very successful as many (not all) are still believing everything that is said, detrimental to Thaksin. Now i do not intend arguing about this as it would be near impossible to convince the brainwashed otherwise.

The thing is, under Thaksin, there was a global economic boom.

If I recall correctly too, Thailand didn't even match the average level of growth the rest of the world saw during this period. Yet, Thailand didn't come close to seeing the melt down much of the rest of the World has seen since 2007 / 2008.

Well,something that doesn't go up must not come down ( JvB's law)

[Reasonableman]

Megalomania is an antisocial disease of the ignorant, impotent, inane, inept, and incompetent. You two fill the bill nicely.

As with many of these Posts, one can readily see how important it is for coupists to diminish these numbers.

It is embarassing for them.

and rather frightening i should think !

[Slip]

This country is rapidly becoming like a communist state. Where all are created equal but some are more equal than others.

Very sad that most of these red supporters can't see the bigger picture Toxsin has in store for them.

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Exactly, 'meet the new boss, same as the old boss', it is just about executing the current elite and replacing them with their elite, while the Thai majority still remain slaves.

Some months ago I took the time to translate a short text that deals with that issue:

"If the people are not educated, if their rights are not explained, if every man does not know his own worth, what he is capable of and what is owed to him, new illusions will succeed the old ones, and after faltering for some time amid a thousand uncertainties, it may come to be that our fortune will be to replace tyrants without destroying tyranny."

Prologue of Mariano Moreno to Rousseau's "The Social Contract"

If the Calgaryll, as UDD/PTP/Thaksin mouthpiece is any indication, is obvious that the movement has no idea of what Democracy entails. They are under Thaksin & Co. perception management spell, thoroughly isolated in their Red Bubble kept angry and scared so as to be more easily manipulated. Fomenting paranoia and divisions in society.

The thing is, that under Thaksin the country was surging ahead, tourism was doing well, the economy was looking up, people were getting jobs and except for the drug cartel, Thailand had the future to look forward to.

Thaksin made the mistake of trying to destroy the drug lords, and of trying to help the poorer people of Thailand. Unfortunately this was becoming at the expense of the hi-so ruling classes of Bangkok and could not be tolerated so whilst he was away, the "Snake in the grass" Sonthi began to wriggle on behalf of his "Hi-so" community and hence the army coup. From then on there commenced a huge anti Thaksin brain washing program which was obviously very successful as many (not all) are still believing everything that is said, detrimental to Thaksin. Now i do not intend arguing about this as it would be near impossible to convince the brainwashed otherwise.

Are you the political columnist from The Sunday Sport?

[Nisa]

So, exactly how many people did attend this free concert?

First off, it was not a concert.

<snip>

I tend to stop reading anything when the first sentence of the material is dishonest. By the way, it was not just a concert, it was a "Free Concert"

Disagreement is not dishonesty.

<snip>

Again we are at the same crossroads. It was a concert (free) and to disagree with this is dishonest. There is no opinion about it, it was a free concert. If you would like me to believe you have something worthwhile to say then don't start off with dishonesty.

As stated in the first paragraph of the OP, the name of the concert was:

"

Stop the Coup, Change the Charter" concert

The OP also states:

leaders from many regions taking turns to speak amid musical shows

Red-shirt leaders arrived at the venue late in the afternoon.

Police will monitor the concert for any violations in regard to lese majeste.

If you believe facts is opinion when you want it to be then how does one debate with you?

[rubl]

As with many of these Posts, one can readily see how important it is for coupists to diminish these numbers.

It is embarassing for them.

and rather frightening i should think !

And the all-out importance for anti-coupists, red-shirt supporters and just simple idiots to try to find ways to increase numbers. Isn't there any non-coupists-controlled online newspaper having reported some numbers? Are we to rely on dear Calgaryll's guestimate, do we have to wait till k. Jatuporn gets more confidential data from an American security related agency, do I have to check the videos and do counting myself

[animatic]

Scouse Tommy, #20 above

How do you think the type of person who attended that concert yesterday are going to vote? They will vote the way they are told to vote. Its pseudo-democracy, that employs effective brain washing techniques. All to bring about the return of a virtual dictator!

What is that I have been saying about arrogant, Oppositional types contemptuously dismissing the political motives of the largest political block in the country, while political realities sidelines them for such self-importance demeanor.

These Posts keep confirming it.

Except the Red Shirts are by far not the bigest political block in the country.

Just one of the loudest and the most violent one.

Which political block is bigger? I think you're off base on that one, Animatic.

The non-aligned majority is much larger than any of the large 2 R/Y blocks.

[animatic]

Plenty of youtube video on the rally, such as

http://youtu.be/mhBjkUuWs_k

As for attendance, it's been noted that the post had 2 articles, one said 30,000 and another said 50,000. AFAIK The Nation has never updated their 10,000 people on the eve of the event. Posters can complain about it all they want, but it's interesting that The Nation is (so far) doing exactly as CalgaryII said they would.

Clearly there were a lot of people. 10,000 is not the right number, obviously.

For those who understand Thai well, there is a lot of footage from the stage and reporting, too. (reporter in this video around 14 minutes, for example.

Lincin Park draws numbers like this at concerts in the summer. So what.

[Nisa]

So, exactly how many people did attend this free concert?

To answer my own question ... The Post is reporting about 50,000 people attended the concert.