Overstay Nightmare

[stoneyboy]

Tourist2011

Do you have a "Departure" card clipped in your passport? If so, does it have a "permitted to stay xxx date" in it? Be handy if you have this item.

Mac

I have a departure card in my passport,but alas it does not have a permitted to stay date on,it has the arrival date,as have all my previous ones.

Edited March 3, 2012 by stoneyboy

[ALFREDO]

Is it not normally the case that your passport has a red overstay stamp inserted in it? and if you have one red stamp then the immigration will let you in?

I'm asking......not telling.

For short Overstays (not more than 10 days), which I did sometimes, no red stamp, just a blue normal one which shows, that you had Overstayed and how much you payed.

Never a problem until now, except for the payment,leaving the country, or entering TH again.

[lopburi3]

Base on your situation you are screwed. The new computer algorithms used by the Thai Customs to red flag visitors of overstays and red flags have now become an annoying pop up on their screens. I would try a neighboring country like Laos to sort out things with the Thai Embassy and trying to enter by those means. There's people their that can be of great assistance. .

He has a simple overstay that will be cleared upon payment of fine at exit. Thai Customs has nothing to do with this issue. They deal with products not people. It is Immigration that checks entry/passports. On an overstay the safe exit is by air to anywhere and pay fine on exit. The Thai Embassy also has nothing to do with travel - it is the Consulate that deals with visas/tourists and they have very little experience with immigration matters - they provide visas for those that qualify.

[NanLaew]

Base on your situation you are screwed. The new computer algorithms used by the Thai Customs to red flag visitors of overstays and red flags have now become an annoying pop up on their screens. I would try a neighboring country like Laos to sort out things with the Thai Embassy and trying to enter by those means. There's people their that can be of great assistance. .

Talking out of your arse there, sorry.

The OP has been given the advice, go to airport, pay overstay, get stamp transferred to new passport and leave.

But how come the OP has pages missing from their passport. Since it is a UK passport, they don't just fall out. Who 'removed' them? And why? The Thai Embassy in KL should have spotted this... unless the pages got 'lost' after the visa was issued.

Edited March 4, 2012 by NanLaew

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

No offense meant, but as Lopburi pointed out above, the above post by VisaRunService was chock full of a lot of inaccurate info and bad advice/commentary.

I hope that's not the kind of visa guidance VisaRunService is providing to its paying customers.

Screwed for an overstay? Thai Customs handling Immigration? Go to the Embassy? Really????

[digitalchromakey]

If you have a 90 day single entry non immigrant visa then on entry, Thai border immigration will draw lines and write 'used' or something to that effect acrross the visa iself in your passpoprt cancelling it - this is normal.

OP, surely you have a stamp in your passport with entry/exit date from that particular occasion somewhere in your passport other than on the TM6 card? That is what is important.

You mention an entry stamp with no exit (permitted to stay until) date on the TM6 Departure/Arrival Slip, sometimes they don't bother to put the stay until date on the TM6 stamp, however what does it say for the visa class which is normally handwritten?

If you have an associated stamp in your passport itself, what are the entry/permitted to stay until dates and what is wriiten in for the visa class?

Edited March 4, 2012 by digitalchromakey

[AngryParent]

Wasn't there a news article a month or so back about a UK girl who was arrested and locked up and had to bribe her way out because of pages missing?

She was a teacher, then went to a bordering country and then on her return was locked up in Thailand.

I agree with the overstay part and max fine of 20,000 and how people are let back in with just overstay.

Just to be careful, I would take a trip to your embassy and talk to them about the pages missing and your condition.

[wayned]

If you have a 90 day single entry non immigrant visa then on entry, Thai border immigration will draw lines and write 'used' or something to that effect acrross the visa iself in your passpoprt cancelling it - this is normal.

OP, surely you have a stamp in your passport with entry/exit date from that particular occasion somewhere in your passport other than on the TM6 card? That is what is important.

You mention an entry stamp with no exit (permitted to stay until) date on the TM6 Departure/Arrival Slip, sometimes they don't bother to put the stay until date on the TM6 stamp, however what does it say for the visa class which is normally handwritten?

If you have an associated stamp in your passport itself, what are the entry/permitted to stay until dates and what is wriiten in for the visa class?

The OP was issued a single entry visa in Malaysia. When he tried to enter Thailand the Immigration officer determined that his passport was damaged, missing pages. Therforefore , within his authority, he stamped the visa "canx" not "used" and issued the OP a visa exemtt entry of 15 days. The pages were missing and whether or not they "fell out" (maybe too many red stamps) before the visa was issued or after, makes no difference, the officer did his job and cancelled the visa that was in a damaged passport! The visa is a ticket to get on the bus, the bus driver "immigration officer" has total control on whether he will let you get on and how long you can stay!

[digitalchromakey]

The OP was issued a single entry visa in Malaysia. When he tried to enter Thailand the Immigration officer determined that his passport was damaged, missing pages. Therforefore , within his authority, he stamped the visa "canx" not "used" and issued the OP a visa exemtt entry of 15 days. The pages were missing and whether or not they "fell out" (maybe too many red stamps) before the visa was issued or after, makes no difference, the officer did his job and cancelled the visa that was in a damaged passport! The visa is a ticket to get on the bus, the bus driver "immigration officer" has total control on whether he will let you get on and how long you can stay!

wayned, read this thread again; your post above does not reflect what the OP actually wrote plus it includes some statements that were never suppplied by the OP. - post #19 below is what actually prompted my earlier question:

Hi, my Visa was canx and I was told a new passport required and current one damaged - nil stamp added to passport other than canx of Visa

Does this mean at the border they should have issued a 15day exempt, they did not so does that now make things worse?

The 15 day entry stamp the OP refers to in post #21 must be (I presume) from a border entry made at some earlier time.

If indeed the OP has no valid entry stamp and the above quote is factually correct, then the OP is in Thailand illegally and actually has a much bigger problem than an overstay.

[Gabphuket]

Hello

Sorry for asking this..Maybe i not read good all reply of this post.

i am in overstay for 3 month can i report it and pay my 20 000 baht direct at immigration office or its obligatory to do this in airport?

Regards

[visarunservice]

Sorry forum members. I had typos mixed up with customs and immigration. i APOLOGIZE. The OP has pages missing and maxed out his stay. Doesn't that sound suspicious. What were on those missing pages? Maybe more red stamps or worst. OP didn't mention anything in his original post about what was on those missing pages.

Edited March 4, 2012 by visarunservice

[lopburi3]

And that is an issue he had with his Embassy and obviously resolved if a new passport is being issued. His situation is overstay if indeed immigration allowed his entry.

[loongjohn50]

Pay the fine at the airport as you exit the country.

The maximum fine is 20,000 baht.

You won't be blacklisted, so can return to Thailand without a problem.

How can anybody say with Authority that there will be no issues on any subsequent return ?? I would suggest that immigration can level any amount of difficulty and fine should they have reason to do so.

Try overstaying by 70 days in the UK and see if you can return with no problem.

Thailand is no exception and why should she be.

Why? Because they want your money. I've overstayed about 20 times without a fuss.

[ALFREDO]

loongjohn50

Be careful, here are some Posters, who shout -Hang him and hang him higher- for an Overstay.

Even, when the Thai Immigration offices do not care much, these Posters care a lot.

In my home country we have the saying. -More Pope-style, than the Pope himself- To be more strict than the Pope himself.

I Overstayed myself many times, but only for some days each.

This time, my Visa extension for reason, =Taking care my Thai children= was expiring on 1.3. but school holydays started two days later and than was the weekend.

So I had an Overstay of 3 days to have the possibility to bring my family with me to Vientiane.

Hang me now for that? The officer in the Nong Khai border Immigration did not hurt me at all. All smiles there!

Take it easy, regards.

Edited March 5, 2012 by ALFREDO

[Chivas]

Pay the fine at the airport as you exit the country.

The maximum fine is 20,000 baht.

You won't be blacklisted, so can return to Thailand without a problem.

How can anybody say with Authority that there will be no issues on any subsequent return ?? I would suggest that immigration can level any amount of difficulty and fine should they have reason to do so.

Try overstaying by 70 days in the UK and see if you can return with no problem.

Thailand is no exception and why should she be.

Why? Because they want your money. I've overstayed about 20 times without a fuss.

At the risk of upsetting our moderators quite frankly I have to say you're stupid ??

You cannot possibly envisage the nightmare scenario when immigration take the stance that enoughs enough.

Why overstay 20 times ?? There's no excuse and I feel bad about overstaying a single day which I did last summer. Posters on here and elsewhere are irresponsible to say you pay the 20,000 baht and walk away.

What are you going to say when in detention ?? A forum says that I can pay and walk ??

Crazy-sorry !!

[Eff1n2ret]

This is an utterly bizarre situation - the Thai border IO was presented with a passport from which 3 pages had been removed, but chose to admit the passenger anyway! Who knows what story those missing pages would have told, or when they went missing, before or after the issue of the Visa in KL; these are questions to which any half-competent IO would have sought answers before he committed his stamp to the passport. Perhaps he did, although the OP has chosen not to reveal any of this here.

Cancelling a visa and then landing the passenger sounds like an IO making it up as he goes along, either because he hadn't a clue, or because it was near the end of his shift and he couldn't be bothered with the extra paperwork involved in a refusal of entry, detention and removal. Whatever the reason, the OP may conclude that he has been extremely lucky. The consensus seems to be that having entered the country legally but overstayed and now in possession of a new passport, he will cop a fine on the way out and that will be that. That's probably how it will work, but he might care to update this thread when he's left, particularly regarding any endorsements in the new passport made by Thai Immigration when he goes.

But don't tear any pages out of the new passport, there's a good chap.

[Soutpeel]

But don't tear any pages out of the new passport, there's a good chap.

I stand to be corrected but defacing/tampering with a British passport on purpose is actually a criminal offense

[Soboringtochooseaname]

Pay the fine at the airport as you exit the country.

The maximum fine is 20,000 baht.

You won't be blacklisted, so can return to Thailand without a problem.

How can anybody say with Authority that there will be no issues on any subsequent return ?? I would suggest that immigration can level any amount of difficulty and fine should they have reason to do so.

Try overstaying by 70 days in the UK and see if you can return with no problem.

Thailand is no exception and why should she be.

\

Because people here are not as bad as you ? This is why we escaped UK and stupid rules also...

:-)

[Chivas]

Pay the fine at the airport as you exit the country.

The maximum fine is 20,000 baht.

You won't be blacklisted, so can return to Thailand without a problem.

How can anybody say with Authority that there will be no issues on any subsequent return ?? I would suggest that immigration can level any amount of difficulty and fine should they have reason to do so.

Try overstaying by 70 days in the UK and see if you can return with no problem.

Thailand is no exception and why should she be.

\

Because people here are not as bad as you ? This is why we escaped UK and stupid rules also...

:-)

Totally lost ?? What are you trying to say ??

[ALFREDO]

Chivas

Trying to say? Just see short time Overstays of some days more relaxed. Often more convinient than make a border run. You are right with many month Overstays, that is exploiting the system, but some days?

And yes, it can be dangerous if they catch you with an Overstay on the road. But how many times does that happen?

In many years in TH, i mean living many years full in TH, I had only once a Passport control by a Police man.

Edited March 5, 2012 by ALFREDO

[Tourist2011]

"What do you think about no entry stamp in the new passport and the canx Visa in the old passport / will the authorities want to see my old passport? Any more advice so much appreciated"

If you show them the old passport they'll see the permision to stay date and fine you.

If you don't show them the old passport they'll look on the computer, and fine you..

If they can't find you on the computer, they'll assume you're on overstay, and fine you.

A new passport will show them that you are here without permission to stay. Not something most officers haven't seen before.

I'd suggest getting this taken care of sooner than later. The longer you put it off, the better the chances of getting nabbed in a routine stop and found out.

Check the second or third page of this forum for the topic about the Swede recently sent to jail for overstay.

Good luck.

Let us know how this works out for you.

Terry

Went to British Embassy BKK, then immigration, the court, paid fine and deported via my booked flight - thanks afain

[Mario2008]

Congratulations.

Was there any particulair reason why you had to go to court? What was the fine?

[Thanyaburi Mac]

Tourist

Were you actually DEPORTED or just escorted to Swampy and told to go? Did they stamp your passport with a "deported" statement of some sort?

Hope not, as such might prevent a return to Thailand if you were planning to do so.

Mac

[soi41]

In a thread like this, I am surprised, that no one has an issue with that it is actually illegal to overstay, and we have posters bragging about their number of overstays. And the simple answer from the visagurus here: "just go to the airport, pay the fine and everything is ok". What about following the rules of a country, where we are guests ? As for the OP, I hope he was deported, tearing out pages from his passport, how immature can you be ? We are often complaining about Thais not beeing willing to take responsibility, what do you call this ?

[arminbkk]

In a thread like this, I am surprised, that no one has an issue with that it is actually illegal to overstay, and we have posters bragging about their number of overstays. And the simple answer from the visagurus here: "just go to the airport, pay the fine and everything is ok". What about following the rules of a country, where we are guests ? As for the OP, I hope he was deported, tearing out pages from his passport, how immature can you be ? We are often complaining about Thais not beeing willing to take responsibility, what do you call this ?

I agree

And paying THB 20 K for overstay is wasting money.

All you got to do is plan a bit.

[Mario2008]

Read the opening post again and let he who is without sin throw the first stone.

[Tourist2011]

This is an utterly bizarre situation - the Thai border IO was presented with a passport from which 3 pages had been removed, but chose to admit the passenger anyway! Who knows what story those missing pages would have told, or when they went missing, before or after the issue of the Visa in KL; these are questions to which any half-competent IO would have sought answers before he committed his stamp to the passport. Perhaps he did, although the OP has chosen not to reveal any of this here.

Cancelling a visa and then landing the passenger sounds like an IO making it up as he goes along, either because he hadn't a clue, or because it was near the end of his shift and he couldn't be bothered with the extra paperwork involved in a refusal of entry, detention and removal. Whatever the reason, the OP may conclude that he has been extremely lucky. The consensus seems to be that having entered the country legally but overstayed and now in possession of a new passport, he will cop a fine on the way out and that will be that. That's probably how it will work, but he might care to update this thread when he's left, particularly regarding any endorsements in the new passport made by Thai Immigration when he goes.

But don't tear any pages out of the new passport, there's a good chap.

Court, fine, deported nil endorsement

[Tourist2011]

Congratulations.

Was there any particulair reason why you had to go to court? What was the fine?

Instructed by immigration

[Tourist2011]

Tourist

Were you actually DEPORTED or just escorted to Swampy and told to go? Did they stamp your passport with a "deported" statement of some sort?

Hope not, as such might prevent a return to Thailand if you were planning to do so.

Mac

Deported only, nil endorsement so guess I'm ok to return

[digitalchromakey]

Court, fine, deported nil endorsement

Brevity always has it's place, but in this case what were you in court for and what were you found guilty of - Overstay, Illegal entry or something else?