hyperdimension Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 (edited) I think the few families of the dead who are still complaining are going to require even more compensation in order to shut them up. what is unfair though is that the money comes from the treasury, which is funded by taxpayers, even though the taxpayers were not responsible for the deaths. The one who is ultimately responsible should be the one who pays compensation. Edited May 21, 2012 by hyperdimension 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mca Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 (edited) ^^Thanks for clarifying Edited May 21, 2012 by mca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe666 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Its been a couple of days, do they have justice yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Yai Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 (edited) Ahh yes "JUSTICE" this simple word we read here in Thailand on a regular basis ,but does this word really exist ? IMHO never in a million years,why so? one may ask, does any one out there believe that if a young Daughter or Son of a poor Issan rice farmer is mowed down and killed on the Road by a car driven by the drunken Son of a leading Politician,Policeman or member of the Military that those responsible will be punished in accordance with the law?, I will just leave the answer to your conscience ,and in closing did the loved ones of over 2500 "suspects" who lost their lives in Thaksins "war on drugs" receive "JUSTICE"?? Edited May 21, 2012 by Colin Yai 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 A post of an off topic nature to this topic has been removed as well as the replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Red Shirt compensations proposed = 7.75 million Deep South compensations proposed = 1.5 million Thaksin's former Deputy Prime Minister on the subject... Government at risk on compensation payments: Wissanu Former deputy prime minister Wissanu Kreangam on Tuesday lambasted the government on two issues, imprudent implementation of populist policies and paying Bt7 million compensation per red-shirt victim without a legal mandate. "I question the legality for the Bt7 million compensation package, if the government has the legal mandate to do so, then there would not be the digit lottery case," he said in reference to the sale of digit lottery which was later found unlawful. Wissanu, who served under the Thaksin Shinawatra administration, said he did not entirely oppose populist projects but wanted to question the imprudent manner to implement such policies. -- The Nation 2012-05-22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 (edited) Meanwhile, in other Red Shirts Call For Justice news, 30 Red Shirts this afternoon delivered a letter to PM Yingluck at Government House demanding the PTP government pass an LM amnesty law. They gave until June 12 for passage of legislation to amend Article 112 of the Criminal Code. At Government House, PM's Office Minister political officer and Red Shirt core member Police Major Sa-ngiam Apornrat received the letter on behalf of the PM. . Edited May 22, 2012 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 (edited) Red Shirt compensations proposed = 7.75 million Government at risk on compensation payments: Wissanu "I question the legality for the Bt7 million compensation package" Apparently, the government is not paying any heed to the legality as it was announced today that this Thursday, May 24th, there will be a ceremony at Government House, televised nation-wide, and hosted by PM Yingluck in which she present the first compensation payments to 522 people affected by political violence, in the form of cashier checks and saving bonds. , Edited May 22, 2012 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Meanwhile, in other Red Shirts Call For Justice news, 30 Red Shirts this afternoon delivered a letter to PM Yingluck at Government House demanding the PTP government pass an LM amnesty law. They gave until June 12 for passage of legislation to amend Article 112 of the Criminal Code. At Government House, PM's Office Minister political officer and Red Shirt core member Police Major Sa-ngiam Apornrat received the letter on behalf of the PM. Reds want amnesty for royal insult A group of 100 red shirts on Tuesday petitioned the government to grant amnesty for all inmates serving prison sentence for royal insult as per Article 112 of the Criminal Code. "The government should complete the amnesty process by June 12," petitioner Anusorn Samithkul said. -- The Nation 2012-05-22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe666 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 These people are a joke placing themselves above the law of the land. The mentality of a 5 year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gand Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 They do know they are in Thailand, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker69 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 How much should Thailand ask in compensation from Thaksin and his cronies, for what he/they have costed the Country and in the end the Thai people since he came to power? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Buchholz Posted May 23, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2012 How much should Thailand ask in compensation from Thaksin and his cronies, for what he/they have cost the Country and in the end the Thai people since he came to power? A 30 year prison sentence and confiscation of all family assets. . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 (edited) Red Shirt compensations proposed = 7.75 million Government at risk on compensation payments: Wissanu "I question the legality for the Bt7 million compensation package" Apparently, the government is not paying any heed to the legality as it was announced today that this Thursday, May 24th, there will be a ceremony at Government House, televised nation-wide, and hosted by PM Yingluck in which she present the first compensation payments to 522 people affected by political violence, in the form of cashier checks and saving bonds. Tomorrow is Pay Day... 522 Political Violence Victims to Receive Compensation on May 24 The first batch of political violence victims will be given compensations from the government tomorrow. Prime Minister's Office Permanent Secretary, Thongthong Chantarangsu, in his capacity as the head of the sub-panel responsible for considering political remedial efforts, said Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra will preside over the hand-out of compensations to the first batch of victims of recent political violence tomorrow. Five hundred and twenty two people will be receiving the first round of financial aid. Thongthong noted that the panel will also organize a seminar to gather recommendations from communities nationwide on national reconciliation and solutions to social conflicts, starting next month. -- Tan Network 2012-05-23 Edited May 23, 2012 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gand Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Justice and Thailand are "worlds" apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gand Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Red Shirt compensations proposed = 7.75 million Government at risk on compensation payments: Wissanu "I question the legality for the Bt7 million compensation package" Apparently, the government is not paying any heed to the legality as it was announced today that this Thursday, May 24th, there will be a ceremony at Government House, televised nation-wide, and hosted by PM Yingluck in which she present the first compensation payments to 522 people affected by political violence, in the form of cashier checks and saving bonds. Tomorrow is Pay Day... 522 Political Violence Victims to Receive Compensation on May 24 The first batch of political violence victims will be given compensations from the government tomorrow. Prime Minister's Office Permanent Secretary, Thongthong Chantarangsu, in his capacity as the head of the sub-panel responsible for considering political remedial efforts, said Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra will preside over the hand-out of compensations to the first batch of victims of recent political violence tomorrow. Five hundred and twenty two people will be receiving the first round of financial aid. Thongthong noted that the panel will also organize a seminar to gather recommendations from communities nationwide on national reconciliation and solutions to social conflicts, starting next month. -- Tan Network 2012-05-23 Are they paying the people that were victims of the 'red shirt' political violence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Thailand's Thaksin no longer enjoying undivided Red Shirt support Reports from Thailand say exiled Thai prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra may no longer be enjoying the undivided support of his followers. Disatisfaction with the government's failure to seek justice for those killed in the 2010 military crackdown of Red Shirt demonstrators was vented over the weekend. Correspondent: Kanaha Sabapathy Speakers: Professor Michael Montesano, Visiting Research Fellow, Institute of South East Asian Studies, Singapore; Dr Giles Ji Ungpakorn, aThai academic living in exile in Britain; Sombat Boonngamanong, a red shirt leader Radio Australia Audio News link: http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/international/radio/program/asia-pacific/thailands-thaksin-no-longer-enjoying-undivided-red-shirt-support/947620 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 (edited) Government at risk on compensation payments: Wissanu "I question the legality for the Bt7 million compensation package" Apparently, the government is not paying any heed to the legality as it was announced today that this Thursday, May 24th, there will be a ceremony at Government House, televised nation-wide, and hosted by PM Yingluck in which she present the first compensation payments to 522 people affected by political violence, in the form of cashier checks and saving bonds. Tomorrow is Pay Day... 522 Political Violence Victims to Receive Compensation on May 24 The first batch of political violence victims will be given compensations from the government tomorrow. Prime Minister's Office Permanent Secretary, Thongthong Chantarangsu, in his capacity as the head of the sub-panel responsible for considering political remedial efforts, said Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra will preside over the hand-out of compensations to the first batch of victims of recent political violence tomorrow. Five hundred and twenty two people will be receiving the first round of financial aid. Thongthong noted that the panel will also organize a seminar to gather recommendations from communities nationwide on national reconciliation and solutions to social conflicts, starting next month. -- Tan Network 2012-05-23 Are they paying the people that were victims of the 'red shirt' political violence? It's supposed to be a mix of colors receiving compensation tomorrow. This first batch of payees will be receiving over Half a Billion Baht and covers 44 deaths, 56 severe injuries, 177 less than severe injuries, 239 minor injuries, and 6 disabled. The sister of the Italian photojournalist Polenghi is expected tomorrow and will be one of the people receiving the full 7.7 Million Baht from Yingluck. . Edited May 23, 2012 by Buchholz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Government to pay compensation for political victims Thursday Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra will Thursday chair the ceremony to hand out the Bt579 million compensation for 522 victims of the 2010 political mayhem, Justice Minister Pracha Promnok said on Wednesday. "The compensation will be paid regardless of the political colours," he said, insisting the payments will not limited just to the red shirts. Pracha said tomorrow's payments will be a start of the healing process for those suffering from the bloodshed caused by the political divide. Some 4,817 victims are entitled for compensation payments. -- The Nation 2012-05-23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Victims of 2010 political violence to receive financial compensations tomorrow BANGKOK, 23 May 2012 (NNT) – Deputy Prime Minister and Interior Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit, who chairs a government panel to monitor recommendations by the Truth for Reconciliation Commission (TRC) said representatives of the 500 victims in the political violence in 2010 will be financially compensated tomorrow at the Government House. The Interior Minister said he was not aware that there had been a problem with the compilation of names of relatives of those killed in the political violence. He added that the Ministry of Social Development and Human Security has already finalized the names of those eligible for the financial aid and presented the list to him. Mr. Yongyuth said later that Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra will be chairing the ceremony, in which the money will be given to families of the victims, tomorrow. He said, however, that those who have been previously unaccounted for or were late on their compensation application will later be assisted. -- NNT 2012-05-23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 (edited) The article in Post 49 was expanded as below. It now stands in contrast to the news from the other paper that is contained in Post 48, and the amounts are in stark contrast to what the government had earlier promised the Red Shirts, spiraling down from 7.7 Million Baht to 400,000 baht... Government to pay compensation for political victims Thursday (continued) Despite news reports that the surviving members would receive Bt7 million per dead victim, the actual payments will be much less than expected. Although the Social Development and Human Security Ministry has not explained the gap between the expected and actual payments, many attributed the payment gap to budgetary constraints. The authorities said for tomorrow's payments, the surviving family will receive Bt400,000 per victim killed. The same payment package will apply to each incapacitated victim. Bt100,000 compensation will be paid for each injured victim. And a victim sustaining minor injuries will get Bt20,000. -- The Nation 2012-05-23 Edited May 23, 2012 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 How to Start a Riot 101. Call in 500 people to pick up a cheque which turns out to be >6% of what they expect. Should they have the army on standby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gand Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Should it not be the PERPs of the riot that should be paying? It wasn't the RTA going from red village to red village shooting people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Victims of 2010 political violence to receive financial compensations tomorrow BANGKOK, 23 May 2012 (NNT) – Deputy Prime Minister and Interior Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit, who chairs a government panel to monitor recommendations by the Truth for Reconciliation Commission (TRC) said representatives of the 500 victims in the political violence in 2010 will be financially compensated tomorrow at the Government House. The Interior Minister said he was not aware that there had been a problem with the compilation of names of relatives of those killed in the political violence. He added that the Ministry of Social Development and Human Security has already finalized the names of those eligible for the financial aid and presented the list to him. Mr. Yongyuth said later that Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra will be chairing the ceremony, in which the money will be given to families of the victims, tomorrow. He said, however, that those who have been previously unaccounted for or were late on their compensation application will later be assisted. -- NNT 2012-05-23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 representatives of the 500 victims in the political violence in 2010 Ahrg, those translation issues. "The representatives of the first 500 persons identified and certified as victim of political violence" would be more correct. Mind you only up to 91 are dead victims, the others (most likely) wounded, severely if represented and not able to accept compensation in person. Being there in person would make for a more positive photo-op This government will have been very careful in checking and accepting claims I assume. All compensations will be properly documented, etc., etc., etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrysteve Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 They can call for justice in side the monkey house just as well as they can from the outside....case closed; Nex! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citizen33 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 (edited) Anybody who has heard the gossip in higher-level Thai circles will have a strong suspicion that elements of a settlement between rival sections of the elite were in place soon after the election. The point was rightly made earlier in the thread that Thaksin is just as keen as the Democrats on ‘reconciliation’ and avoiding a real investigation of the shootings or changes in the lese majeste laws. What interests me though is how this fits with the narrative that we’ve heard ad infinitum from the usual TV suspects : i.e. the red shirts only vote/protest because they are paid to do so; after the coup things would settle down quickly because the rural god fathers would tell their constituents to bow to the new pay masters; the role of ideology was negligible; the ‘genie out of the bottle’ argument had no substance; and it has always been ‘just about Thaksin’. Do the more honest of the Thaksin haters believe that now? Is the boss really paying people to attend a rally that threatens the tradeoff that would suit him so well? Edited May 23, 2012 by citizen33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rubl Posted May 23, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2012 Anybody who has heard the gossip in higher-level Thai circles will have a strong suspicion that elements of a settlement between rival sections of the elite were in place soon after the election. The point was rightly made earlier in the thread that Thaksin is just as keen as the Democrats on ‘reconciliation’ and avoiding a real investigation of the shootings or changes in the lese majeste laws. What interests me though is how this fits with the narrative that we’ve heard ad infinitum from the usual TV suspects : i.e. the red shirts only vote/protest because they are paid to do so; after the coup things would settle down quickly because the rural god fathers would tell their constituents to bow to the new pay masters; the role of ideology was negligible; the ‘genie out of the bottle’ argument had no substance; and it has always been ‘just about Thaksin’. Do the more honest of the Thaksin haters believe that now? Is the boss really paying people to attend a rally that threatens the tradeoff that would suit him so well? The first settlement seems to have taken place late September / early October 2011 with k. Thaksin getting back some money and grenade attacks on ordinary citizens stopped. As for 'high-level Thai circle gossip' I'm not into those circles, not as you might be that is Whereas k. Abhisit has stated many times to be here and ready to be judged, k. Thaksin is pure and innocent and all for amnesty. Even Dept. PM Pol. Captain Chalerm is for reconciliation, amnesty, except for k. Abhisit and k. Suthep of course. The more honest Thaksin haters have seen confirmation in k. Thaksin's phone-in last Saturday. Of course those in the know are not swayed, neither those in the 'higher-level Thai gossip circles'. The verdict may be somewhat cynical "thank you, please go home now, I no longer need you" and don't let the door hit your a__ on the way out 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 The article in Post 49 was expanded as below. It now stands in contrast to the news from the other paper that is contained in Post 48, and the amounts are in stark contrast to what the government had earlier promised the Red Shirts, spiraling down from 7.7 Million Baht to 400,000 baht... Government to pay compensation for political victims Thursday (continued) Despite news reports that the surviving members would receive Bt7 million per dead victim, the actual payments will be much less than expected. Although the Social Development and Human Security Ministry has not explained the gap between the expected and actual payments, many attributed the payment gap to budgetary constraints. The authorities said for tomorrow's payments, the surviving family will receive Bt400,000 per victim killed. This morning's other paper is still reporting that payments of 7.7 Million Baht will be presented to some of the families during the ceremony with Yingluck scheduled for this afternoon. It'll be Interesting to see what's what when that occurs. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 A different source with still another different amount reported... PM's Office Permanent Secretary Thongthong Chandrangsu as Chairman of the TRC subcommittee on deciding remedies for political protest victims announced that 522 victims will be compensated Thursday. Mr Thongthong earlier said compensation would focus on the public, government officials or media members who died, were disabled or otherwise injured during the political incidents between late 2005 and May 2005 and May 2010. He said those who were killed or disabled in a string of violent protests would receive Bt3 million each which would be given to their surviving spouses or parents. MCOT http://www.mcot.net/cfcustom/cache_page/367615.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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