PAD Continues Rally Against Reconciliation Bills

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ANTI-GOVERNMENT RALLY

PAD continues rally against reconciliation bills

TOSSAPORN WONGWAIKOLAYOOT,

PRAVIT ROJANAPHRUK

THE NATION

Photo : Watcharachai Klaipong

BANGKOK: -- Some 1,000 supporters of the yellow-shirt People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) continued their rally against the government-backed reconciliation bills for the second day yesterday as speculation grew about how things would pan out in the next few days and if the Army would keep away from the issue.

Vichai, a 60-year-old PAD supporter, said perhaps "someone" would come out to help just like they did in 2006, when a military coup ousted Thaksin Shinawatra. However, he said he has given up on the Army top brass because they seem to be getting cosy with Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, adding that perhaps less senior officers might become their beacon of hope.

"This protest in itself won't work, but it will push someone to come out [to intervene]," Vichai said.

Uan, a 40-something yellow-shirt supporter from Bangkok who chose not to reveal her real name, said that since the military was no longer with the PAD, the people themselves would have to do something to oust this government.

"They [the Army] have all been bought, so we have to come out by ourselves. What else can we do?" Uan asked.

Another person who seems to have lost his trust in the Army is Varin At-nark, deputy leader of the Prachatippatai Mai Party or the New Democratic Party, a little-known party with just one party-list MP. He was at Parliament yesterday to protest against the chaos that took place at the Lower House on Wednesday night and to voice his support for the reconciliation bill put forward by General Sonthi Boonyaratglin.

"I'm worried about the Army. We must watch their movements closely, because in Thailand anything can happen. The yellow shirts will gradually raise the [political] temperature and might resort to violence," he told The Nation.

On Bangkok's U-Thong Road, a large lorry blared out the royalist song, "The Highest Dream", and sported a large banner saying: "Part Three of Square-Face [Thaksin]: the Beginning of Civil War".

At about 11am yesterday, a red-shirt news agency reported that red-shirt supporters from Chiang Mai were heading to Bangkok to "protect" the Parliament from their rivals, the yellow shirts.

Some 3,900 police officers were deployed yesterday in addition to the 2,000 already stationed around the Parliament complex on Wednesday.

The security detail has also built concrete barriers and put up barbed wire around the building.

Kannan Kanokpornpaiboon, a 55-year-old Bangkokian, said that experience had taught the PAD that the government would not listen. "We have to come out, no matter what, to stop them from their evil deeds," Kannan said, adding that he trusted the PAD leadership to come up with "measures" that will block the reconciliation bills.

However, 68-year-old Lek from Bangkok's Bang Kapi district said that to her national reconciliation meant that all sides would come together to discuss matters and not impose a one-sided bill.

"Thaksin must serve his time [in prison] first. Be it five or 10 days. Then I won't mind if he seeks a [royal] pardon," she said.

In addition to the measures taken on Wednesday, the security detail yesterday placed two LRAD Extreme machines that can produce an 85-decibel sonic sound wave outside the Parliament building. A water truck has been parked there too.

It was reported that during PAD leader Sondhi Limthongkul's speech, an unidentified man climbed onstage and grabbed the microphone, yelling: "We love Thaksin. Bring Thaksin back."

PAD guards escorted the man down and detained him.

-- The Nation 2012-06-01

[Moruya]

85 Db? I'm sure Chalerm can do better. They could roll Weng out to bore everyone to death.

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[MaxLee]

Any reports about traffic james yet, LOL?

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PAD spokesman Panthep restates plan to oppose reconciliation bills, can t confirm whether or not Yellow Shirts will storm Parliament; Depends on situation /MCOT

PAD supporters gather at Parliament, multicolour group blocks Kan Ruen intersection; police advise avoiding area due to traffic /MCOT

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RT @RichardBarrow: 8:32am Police with riot shields but not full riot gear at Parliament http://lockerz.com/s/213431271 - MT @tanatpong_nna

[GentlemanJim]

85 Db? I'm sure Chalerm can do better. They could roll Weng out to bore everyone to death.

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LRAD Extreme, try 148dB, it will disperse almost any crowd if they use it correctly. Old people and children beware! It can be used as a means to communicate with a crowd, but can also be used to deliver a debilitating sonic onslaught. Best the crowd get issued some ear plugs, as it hurts...a lot.

[MunterHunter]

I fear this is gunna get ugly... again

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RT @RichardBarrow: 9:10am Thai MPs climbing through a fence to attend a session at Parliament http://bit.ly/L1ZDv0 - TR @news1005fm

[h90]

85 Db? I'm sure Chalerm can do better. They could roll Weng out to bore everyone to death.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Thaivisa Connect App

LRAD Extreme, try 148dB, it will disperse almost any crowd if they use it correctly. Old people and children beware! It can be used as a means to communicate with a crowd, but can also be used to deliver a debilitating sonic onslaught. Best the crowd get issued some ear plugs, as it hurts...a lot.

Maybe PAD can capture it, With 148dB (note the scale is logarithmic, so 90 dB is very loud, 148 is 1000000 times louder) you can shout up to Chang Mai with it.

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RT @terryfrd: According to morning news reports, police have been suggesting today's session at parl. not take place. There's some talk of another venue

[Moruya]

85 Db? I'm sure Chalerm can do better. They could roll Weng out to bore everyone to death.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Thaivisa Connect App

LRAD Extreme, try 148dB, it will disperse almost any crowd if they use it correctly. Old people and children beware! It can be used as a means to communicate with a crowd, but can also be used to deliver a debilitating sonic onslaught. Best the crowd get issued some ear plugs, as it hurts...a lot.

Maybe PAD can capture it, With 148dB (note the scale is logarithmic, so 90 dB is very loud, 148 is 1000000 times louder) you can shout up to Chang Mai with it.

Maybe they can direct some abuse north west to mister misunderstood in Dubai.

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RT @RichardBarrow: 9:40am Yellow Shirts with hand clappers camped out in front of Parliament http://bit.ly/L22GDH (Pic @tin434)

[nurofiend]

so what precisely are they complaining about that's contained in these bills?

[whybother]

so what precisely are they complaining about that's contained in these bills?

Amnesty for political crimes since 2005, including corruption crimes investigated since the coup.

[h90]

so what precisely are they complaining about that's contained in these bills?

That it will pardon Thaksins crimes+that he'll get (most probably) his billions (what was it 40 or 50, which were taken for tax fraud) back.

His kids got already some billions "back" in a very controversial ruling, because of a loophole....

[saltandpepper]

I fear this is gunna get ugly... again

It is already ugly...

[hellodolly]

True reconciliation comes when Thailand gets a PM who is interested in Thailand.

A real Prime Minister would fight this farce tooth and nail.

They would say rule of law will not be washed away and all cases will be tried on their own merits.

Nothing to do with there political affiliation who they know or how munch money they have.

There will be no double standards and judges caught ruling that way will be transferred to unemployed with no income.

Of course we have to get a real Prime Minister first and then hope they are honest.

Not a easy thing to do. The closes we have is Abhist and he falls short.

Edited June 1, 2012 by hellodolly

[GentlemanJim]

so what precisely are they complaining about that's contained in these bills?

Are you trying to be deliberately naughty with that comment? When the bill eventually reaches the eyes of the rest of the modern world, people will be aghast as to what is about to occur in Thailand. Here are some juicy bits of "The Antithesis of Reconciliation Bill"

Key points of the National Reconciliation Bill:

Article 3: Any conduct related to political assembly or expression of political opinions between September 15, 2005, and May 10, 2011, that were deemed illegal will no longer be illegal and the wrongdoers will be freed from responsibility for their misconduct.

The term "misconduct" includes:

1. Misconduct caused by political assembly or expression of political opinion, including violation of the law prohibiting anti-government gatherings, statements or advertisements, or disobedience of government officials, as well as protests that affect other people physically or their assets.

2. Any conduct by government officials or anybody involved in the prevention or suppression of political assembly, expression of political opinions or any related conduct.

Article 4: Once this law is put into force, investigation and legal action against any person as per Article 3 must be stopped. If the case is in court, then the court must dismiss it. If the person is already convicted, then the person must be deemed as never having been convicted. If the person has been serving a penalty, then the penalty must end and the person released.

Article 5: People affected by the conduct or operation of an organisation or group of people appointed under orders of the Council for National Security, or the council's chairman, which seized power on September 19, 2006, will not be considered suspects or wrongdoers. The statement in Article 4 shall be applied and all related organisations will treat the people according to the rule of law.

Article 6: The revocation of the voting rights of former executives of a dissolved political party will be ended and those persons will be deemed as those whose voting rights had never been revoked, once this law is effective.

Article 7: Any conduct according to this law will not be considered as a reason to end one's right to take civil action and seek compensation for any damages caused by people whose penalty has been lifted as per this law.

If this were my country and I had a voice in the running and politics of this country, wild horses would not stop me taking to the streets and stopping the Government passing a law to make them above the law. There is an old gentleman whose health must be deteriorating rapidiy listening to the trauma that is engulfing the nation.

[hellodolly]

so what precisely are they complaining about that's contained in these bills?

Are you trying to be deliberately naughty with that comment? When the bill eventually reaches the eyes of the rest of the modern world, people will be aghast as to what is about to occur in Thailand. Here are some juicy bits of "The Antithesis of Reconciliation Bill"

Key points of the National Reconciliation Bill:

Article 3: Any conduct related to political assembly or expression of political opinions between September 15, 2005, and May 10, 2011, that were deemed illegal will no longer be illegal and the wrongdoers will be freed from responsibility for their misconduct.

The term "misconduct" includes:

1. Misconduct caused by political assembly or expression of political opinion, including violation of the law prohibiting anti-government gatherings, statements or advertisements, or disobedience of government officials, as well as protests that affect other people physically or their assets.

2. Any conduct by government officials or anybody involved in the prevention or suppression of political assembly, expression of political opinions or any related conduct.

Article 4: Once this law is put into force, investigation and legal action against any person as per Article 3 must be stopped. If the case is in court, then the court must dismiss it. If the person is already convicted, then the person must be deemed as never having been convicted. If the person has been serving a penalty, then the penalty must end and the person released.

Article 5: People affected by the conduct or operation of an organisation or group of people appointed under orders of the Council for National Security, or the council's chairman, which seized power on September 19, 2006, will not be considered suspects or wrongdoers. The statement in Article 4 shall be applied and all related organisations will treat the people according to the rule of law.

Article 6: The revocation of the voting rights of former executives of a dissolved political party will be ended and those persons will be deemed as those whose voting rights had never been revoked, once this law is effective.

Article 7: Any conduct according to this law will not be considered as a reason to end one's right to take civil action and seek compensation for any damages caused by people whose penalty has been lifted as per this law.

If this were my country and I had a voice in the running and politics of this country, wild horses would not stop me taking to the streets and stopping the Government passing a law to make them above the law. There is an old gentleman whose health must be deteriorating rapidiy listening to the trauma that is engulfing the nation.

For the ones already convicted and serving time they will be let out immediately. Are they going to be allowed to sue the government for the time they served?

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House meeting adjourned after protesters surround Parliament

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The House meeting scheduled for deliberation of national reconciliation bills was adjourned from 9:30 am after protesters surrounded Parliament.

Pheu Thai MPs, who have entered the Parliament compound early in the morning, left on an special exit at 10 am. The exit has been earlier prepared for them in anticipation of besieging by protesters.

The protesters started the blockade of Parliament at 8:15 am.

-- The Nation 2012-06-01

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Pheu Thai MPs gather at Club 111 Foundation

Te Nation

BANGKOK: -- Pheu Thai Party MPs gathered at the Club 111 Foundation at 9:48 am Friday after they yellow-shirt and multicoloured-shirt protesters prevented them from entering the Parliament's compound.

Pheu Thai MP and red-shirt leader Korkaew Pikulthong said it was not clear where the House meeting would be held.

-- The Nation 2012-06-01

[gand]

Amnesty equals anarchy?

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Protesters block road preventing MPs access to Parliament

BANGKOK, June 1 - Anti-government groups on Friday rallying outside Parliament to oppose the passage of reconciliation bills to be considered today have blocked a key route preventing lawmakers from entering parliament to start deliberations.

The multi-coloured shirt group led by Tul Sitthisomwong blockaded Kan Ruen intersection on Ratchawithee Road which also virtually blocks the only entrance to Parliament. Yellow-shirted People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) activists have joined the multi-coloured group in blocking the road.

Some Pheu Thai MPs sneaked out of Parliament by ducking under a wire fence. Unconfirmed reports suggest that ruling party MPs are seeking an optional venue to convene a parliamentary session after a few MPs have made it to the House chamber.

PAD spokesman Panthep Puapongpan restated the group’s opposition to the reconciliation bills. However, he said he could not confirm whether or not the yellow shirts would storm Parliament.

He said it depended on the situation.

Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva on Thursday met urgently with Democrat MPs and later told a news conference that his party would do everything possible to thwart adoption of the reconciliation bills.

He said the proposed bill should not be called reconciliation as it will cause deep rifts both inside and outside the Parliament.

The content of the measures also damage the legal principles of the state, annulling court verdicts in political cases which will ‘whitewash’ people who committed offences during the political turmoil, and removing the party dissolution law, Mr Abhisit said.

He earlier pointed out that the bills would also help fugitive former premier Thaksin Shinawatra move beyond his corruption cases without ever taking responsibility for them.

Mr Abhisit said the Democrat party would fight against the illegitimate move to enact the bills and would do its utmost to oppose the bills.

He said his party would like to call people who love justice to express their views under the law, to show that the people and society did not want the proposed bill.

The Democrat party will support all moves against the bills, he said, provided that the actions are carried out within the legal framework and in accordance with the Constitution.

The urgent party meeting followed the House of Representatives voting 272 to 2 yesterday to move up four reconciliation bills for consideration today amid protests by the Democrat Party MPs.

The vote followed a meeting of 35 standing committee chairpersons to decide whether the four bills were financial laws in content or not.

The committee chairpersons voted 22:1 after four hours of discussion that the bills were not financially-related draft laws and that the House could proceed deliberating the four reconciliation bills without endorsement from the prime minister. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2012-06-01

[h90]

True reconciliation comes when Thailand gets a PM who is interested in Thailand.

A real Prime Minister would fight this farce tooth and nail.

They would say rule of law will not be washed away and all cases will be tried on their own merits.

Nothing to do with there political affiliation who they know or how munch money they have.

There will be no double standards and judges caught ruling that way will be transferred to unemployed with no income.

Of course we have to get a real Prime Minister first and then hope they are honest.

Not a easy thing to do. The closes we have is Abhist and he falls short.

You not only need a honest person, you need a person who is ready to get things done and bulldoze down everyone who want to block things.

Specially here Abhisit was too weak.......But yes he is the best Thailand has, only if we could inject a few Chuvit genes into him.

[pakorn7]

so what precisely are they complaining about that's contained in these bills?

Don't know. In a similar (the airport seizue) protest,

"The food was excellent, the music was excellent," Kasit (yes, the ex FM) explained.

That's all they are here for.

http://thailandjumpedtheshark.blogspot.com/2008/12/new-kooky-foreign-minister-kasit.html

Stranding hundreds of thousands of foreigners and Thais was excellent. Causing billions of baht of damage to the Thai economy was excellent. Illegally trying to overthrow the government and getting the foreign ministry in return was excellent.

[MaxLee]

Where are the traffic jams now, does anyone have information???

[Thai at Heart]

True reconciliation comes when Thailand gets a PM who is interested in Thailand.

A real Prime Minister would fight this farce tooth and nail.

They would say rule of law will not be washed away and all cases will be tried on their own merits.

Nothing to do with there political affiliation who they know or how munch money they have.

There will be no double standards and judges caught ruling that way will be transferred to unemployed with no income.

Of course we have to get a real Prime Minister first and then hope they are honest.

Not a easy thing to do. The closes we have is Abhist and he falls short.

You not only need a honest person, you need a person who is ready to get things done and bulldoze down everyone who want to block things.

Specially here Abhisit was too weak.......But yes he is the best Thailand has, only if we could inject a few Chuvit genes into him.

Fortunately GMO isn't legal in Thailand.

[pakorn7]

Where are the traffic jams now, does anyone have information???

Complete shut down of the area.

Do not drive there, unless you want to joint in the party and free food.

[OzMick]

so what precisely are they complaining about that's contained in these bills?

Amnesty for political crimes since 2005, including corruption crimes investigated since the coup.

Which will make acts like firing an RPG at a fuel tank farm, an act that could have killed thousands, legitimate political statement.

Anybody got a nuke, I have something I want to say.

[h90]

so what precisely are they complaining about that's contained in these bills?

Don't know. In a similar (the airport seizue) protest,

"The food was excellent, the music was excellent," Kasit (yes, the ex FM) explained.

That's all they are here for.

http://thailandjumpe...ster-kasit.html

Stranding hundreds of thousands of foreigners and Thais was excellent. Causing billions of baht of damage to the Thai economy was excellent. Illegally trying to overthrow the government and getting the foreign ministry in return was excellent.

Kasit is an ido*t, but that doesn't make the previous illegal government any better.