I'd class Keane as a 'hard man ' in the mold of mckay ,Souness.et al'.Bullies need a gang behind them to back them up,none of who I mention plus many more in the same mold needed 'back up' ..It was pure bloody single minded greed & a will to win that drove them on...That ball belongs to me ,me,me,me...Selfishness & a desire to win ...not bullying

so you're saying individuals cant be bullies ?

I'd class Keane as a 'hard man ' in the mold of mckay ,Souness.et al'.Bullies need a gang behind them to back them up,none of who I mention plus many more in the same mold needed 'back up' ..It was pure bloody single minded greed & a will to win that drove them on...That ball belongs to me ,me,me,me...Selfishness & a desire to win ...not bullying

so you're saying individuals cant be bullies ?

Yes .No bully can survive alone,once scuttled they are <deleted>.

I'd class Keane as a 'hard man ' in the mold of mckay ,Souness.et al'.Bullies need a gang behind them to back them up,none of who I mention plus many more in the same mold needed 'back up' ..It was pure bloody single minded greed & a will to win that drove them on...That ball belongs to me ,me,me,me...Selfishness & a desire to win ...not bullying

so you're saying individuals cant be bullies ?

Yes .No bully can survive alone,once scuttled they are <deleted>.

A bully is singular, they exist.

and those players you were referring to were bullies, great players admittedly , but if they couldn't outplay their opponents they resorted to physical intimidation IE bullying,

So Rooney is out of todays game due to a shoulder injury so why is he picked for England on Wednesday night, mmmmmmmmmm

So Rooney is out of todays game due to a shoulder injury so why is he picked for England on Wednesday night, mmmmmmmmmm

the squad was announced when ? thursday? which gave him 7 days in hodgsons eyes to get fit. Stranger things have been known .

and those players you were referring to were bullies, great players admittedly , but if they couldn't outplay their opponents they resorted to physical intimidation IE bullying,

Spot on Rij

Looks like Rooney's still got that same old nagging hamstring in the shoulder problem.

Maybe a happy ending massage from Jose will sort it.

Oops misquote.

So Rooney is out of todays game due to a shoulder injury so why is he picked for England on Wednesday night, mmmmmmmmmm

the squad was announced when ? thursday? which gave him 7 days in hodgsons eyes to get fit. Stranger things have been known .

Hodgson was quoted as saying, "Its a pity RVP can't play for England".

So Rooney is out of todays game due to a shoulder injury so why is he picked for England on Wednesday night, mmmmmmmmmm

the squad was announced when ? thursday? which gave him 7 days in hodgsons eyes to get fit. Stranger things have been known .

Hodgson was quoted as saying, "Its a pity RVP can't play for England".

So Rooney is out of todays game due to a shoulder injury so why is he picked for England on Wednesday night, mmmmmmmmmm

the squad was announced when ? thursday? which gave him 7 days in hodgsons eyes to get fit. Stranger things have been known .

Hodgson was quoted as saying, "Its a pity RVP can't play for England".

Not to worry. Roy wouldn't know where to play him anyway.

Rooney out tomorrow.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wayne-rooney-set-miss-uniteds-5695745?

redrus

Great. I think United should let him go but the price Chelsea offered is ridiculous, He should be worth more than Torres cos he gave United and Everton great years without giving one bad year. 11/12 years of brilliant seasons from Rooney. Thank you Wayne Rooney, and hope he will be applauded by United fans when he come back one day in different colours.

You live in cloud cuckoo land if you think Rooney would be applauded

Looks like the Community Spirit is slipping away.

Enjoy the game.

Looks like the Community Spirit is slipping away.

Enjoy the game.

Hope it is a Long tough slog for Utd and it goes to penalties. Hope all those spectators get good value for money..... Any day out at Wembley costs a bomb, unless you are very local.

Just a minor swipe, but it will actually be good for you to get beat, and Moyse understands what failure might taste like from the seasons onset. His talk is all a little too confident and perhaps blasé for my liking.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10235096/Manchester-United-v-Wigan-Athletic-David-Moyes-biggest-test-as-manager-starts-in-Community-Shield.html

Wind em up mr coil.

A bully is singular, they exist.

and those players you were referring to were bullies, great players admittedly , but if they couldn't outplay their opponents they resorted to physical intimidation IE bullying,

and those players you were referring to were bullies, great players admittedly , but if they couldn't outplay their opponents they resorted to physical intimidation IE bullying,

Spot on Rij

See bullies only exist with 'back up' thanks Carmine for proving my point!!!

So predictions for this afternoon?

2-2 after extra time..... Man U to win the shoot out

Really, mate, i thought Buddhism was partly about getting a balanced fair view!!!!! ferguson had what 45? years of successfully dealing with dumb arsed ignorant spoilt brat footballers, built primarily built on that man utd are the one and only club anyone should ever want to play for , and you think a couple of lines left open to be debated with one of his ' prize crew',in his last year would be left to taint the picture of him leaving a happy, in control boat , hmmmm!!!!,. 2 me this has all the hallmarks' of a master fergie deflected blame scenario or on the other hand that said, it could be just a simple misunderstanding . Really redrus you've not only bitten the blarney stone, mate I reckon you've swallowed it whole

You're right, balanced and fair is part of Buddhism, but everything is not fair, everything is not balanced. Its how you react to circumstance that matters.

In this case, I disagree with you. I am a Manchester United fan, I do think they are the best club in the world, why on Earth would I not. I grew up with them, 20 minutes from the ground, was going on my own (home games) at 10 years of age, and home and away by 13. I think everyone should want to play for us and, if they don't, move on but, don't fob us off with lies, silence and agent spin, come out and say what you want to do.

I care not 1 iota whether Wayne Rooney is happy or not, he earns 200k a week, playing a game most of us would give a left <deleted> for what he has.

I do understand your point rijit, I just do not agree with it..... Sorry, Blarney Stone or not, I'm allowed my own opinion, No...?

As for Fergie conspiracy theories..... Tut tut tut.

redrus

yeah whilst i can appreciate your stance on being a utd fan, i cant see why your failing to separate, for the want of a better saying, sorting the wheat from, the chaf, as far as Rooney is concerned,.all he's ACTUALLY done is ask for a transfer, ok well give u twice, a thirds in dispute, the rest is media and speculative bullshit that surrounds the football industry and aint under his control, .. Why does it happen?, partly cos people buy the papers and hit their web site, sori mate it all points or boils down to a 'pride' or vanity issue or even a dictatorial stance , that fergie groomed/nutured , 'no one walks from utd'!!! well times are changing, seems they do or at least want to.

interestingly enuf, I noticed on a bbc link , the sun is now trying to makes its site a pay site

So predictions for this afternoon?

2-2 after extra time..... Man U to win the shoot out

Shoot out!!

If there was guns involved we would win easy

So predictions for this afternoon?

2-2 after extra time..... Man U to win the shoot out

looking forward to it, and seeing zaha in particular, but tbh cant c anything but a utd win, though.

just hope its a good game. if holts out there, for sure, its going to b a physical one

rij i just tried to post a long reply about Rooney,but it went missing,so the short version is he can get to <deleted> the same as Suarez.

Too many of these overpaid <deleted> holding clubs to ransom.

I really hope he goes to Chelsea if we let him.

And as we all prepare for the game.......a quote from Owen Coyle about Mr Moyes.

"But when you see the stature of the man who is there, you know he is the right custodian for Manchester United".

Seems like nobody taught Mr Coyle about Buddhist Martial Arts.

(good luck Mr Martinez)

Expect that the squad that plays tonight will be pretty much the same for the Swansea game next week ,this is the serious start to their season. So we may well be looking at a guess and probably wrong

De Gea

Raphael Vidic Evans Evra

Valencia Carrick Kagawa Wellbeck

VP Hernandes

with Jones, Cleverley, Smalling, Ferdinand, Anderson, Zaha on the bench.

Ch 7 at 8pm I think

Re Rooney used to have a lot of respect for the boy but he's used the goodwill up with most people inc his team mates.

Hasn't got the stomach to actually say "live" how he feels, just lets the media run with it and gives the

opportunity to Mourinho to play his silly mind games

I think Rafeal is banned for Swansea so will be surprised if he is given a place.

It will be good to Zaha get a run here also.

sparks looks that could be about right but I reckon zaha on the left will start and either wellbeck or hernandez. will be on the bench edit oh and defo ferdinand not evans.

This todays team.

De Gea, Rafael, Vidic, Jones, Evra, Cleverley, Carrick, Zaha, Giggs, Welbeck, Van Persie

If true cannot understand Giggsy' starting.

Expect that the squad that plays tonight will be pretty much the same for the Swansea game next week ,this is the serious start to their season. So we may well be looking at a guess and probably wrong

De Gea

Raphael Vidic Evans Evra

Valencia Carrick Kagawa Wellbeck

VP Hernandes

with Jones, Cleverley, Smalling, Ferdinand, Anderson, Zaha on the bench.

Ch 7 at 8pm I think

Re Rooney used to have a lot of respect for the boy but he's used the goodwill up with most people inc his team mates.

Hasn't got the stomach to actually say "live" how he feels, just lets the media run with it and gives the

opportunity to Mourinho to play his silly mind games

I think Rafeal is banned for Swansea so will be surprised if he is given a place.

It will be good to Zaha get a run here also.

sparks looks that could be about right but I reckon zaha on the left will start and either wellbeck or hernandez. will be on the bench edit oh and defo ferdinand not evans.

This todays team.

De Gea, Rafael, Vidic, Jones, Evra, Cleverley, Carrick, Zaha, Giggs, Welbeck, Van Persie

If true cannot understand Giggsy' starting.

I know Mary we are f88king useless at picking the teams the good thing is ...........we have always been under fergus ...no change