O Visa Based On Marriage Not Recognized By The Teacher'S Council

[mike123ca]

I''ve been teaching at a government school for almost two years now. I've been using O visa based on marriage which has been acceptable. Two days ago, the school made an application for me and it was turned down. The body responsible for the teaching licence refused to explain why an O visa is not acceptable whereas Immigration and the office that issued work permits said the visa is good foe employment.

They were told to have me to go and get a B visa.

Edited June 12, 2012 by mike123ca

[CharlieH]

Maybe get more insight and replies in the Teachers forum, suggestion.

[Mario2008]

News to me.

I presume you mean the teachers council that refused you. if you got a reply in 2 days they sure sped things up there. Probably someone who didn't know about the regulations.

But on the otherhand, if you extend on based on a Thai wife, immigration normally isn't interested in the teaching license. (Don't know about the labour office). Which might be what the teacher council meant?

[Maestro]

I am moving this topic from the forum "Thai visas, residency and work permits" to the "Teaching in Thailand Forum"

[meand]

Even a tourist visa can trump an o visa when it comes to certain things like this. If you try to find the logic in it all, you wont.

[aidenai]

Two days ago, the school made an application for me and it was turned down.

Application for what, mike123ca?

[mike123ca]

Two days ago, the school made an application for me and it was turned down.

Application for what, mike123ca?

It's for my teaching license. All the teachers who had a B visa received it whereas 2 of us who are using O visa were refused.

My school called up Immigration and office that issues work permits and they both said I can legally work here. Why should I

have to use an inferior visa.

[aidenai]

Two days ago, the school made an application for me and it was turned down.

Application for what, mike123ca?

It's for my teaching license. All the teachers who had a B visa received it whereas 2 of us who are using O visa were refused.

My school called up Immigration and office that issues work permits and they both said I can legally work here. Why should I

have to use an inferior visa.

There are no requirements in regards to the type of visa when applying for a teacher license from The teachers' Council of Thailand. So, I honestly don't know or understand why your application was rejected. Below you find the content of the "Required Documents" document from The Teachers' Council of Thailand.

1. Completed Application form

2. A copy of passport with photo and signature or other evidence identified legally immigration

3. A copy of work permit or evidence identified permanent residence in Thailand

4. A copy of degree or educational background

5. A copy of teaching license from abroad (if any)

6. A copy of certification of teaching experience with not less than 1 year (Both in Thailand and overseas teaching experience can be counted, except experience in tutorial or language schools)

7. A copy of certification of knowledge standards:

a. Training course on Thai, Thai culture and professional ethics and

b. Subject matters for teaching profession

(In case of holding other degrees without a teaching license from abroad or a graduate diploma in Education)

8. A copy of employment contract

9. A copy of teacher’s blue book or a certificate issued by the Office of Private Education Commission (if any) i.e. sor chor 11, sor chor 19 or sor chor 18

10. Two of 1 inch photographs without dark glasses taken within 6 months

11. Registration fee is 500 Baht

http://www.ksp.or.th...cumentation.pdf

[asiaexpat]

The documentation is confusing since the required documents for a Teacher Permit (not license) requires a Non-B visa per the recent posting at

http://www.ksp.or.th/Khurusapha/en/

[aidenai]

The documentation is confusing since the required documents for a Teacher Permit (not license) requires a Non-B visa per the recent posting at

http://www.ksp.or.th/Khurusapha/en/

OP is stating he's applying for a teacher license not for a provisional teaching permit.

[mike123ca]

Some non O visa's do not allow for employment such as retirement or those who are here as dependents. Mine is based on marriage which legally allows me to work here. An added benefit is

if the school doesn't renew my contract, I'm not under in pressure to leave the country whereas the B visa only exists as long as you are employed. When you are on a B visa, when your contract is finish, so is your visa. Why should I change visa's when mine already allows for employment here in Thailand.

[sirchai]

That's pretty much confusing. If so, couldn't you just get a Non-B, get your license and apply for a Non-O again?

Another way would be to show up in person at the Kurusapa, they might get it solved being on a Non-O.

Looks like you've got the financial back-up to apply for a Non-O if employment would end.

Whatever will happen, good luck!

Edited June 13, 2012 by sirchai

[MCR2k1]

I emailed the TCT a couple of weeks ago and was told that I must get a Non-B for a provisional teaching permit.

This is incredibly annoying as I'm already here on a Non-O and know several teachers that have permits on the same visa.

The exact words in the email were:

Dear Sir/Madam,

Non-B please is required.

Detail: http://www.ksp.or.th/Khurusapha/en/khurusapha_NewsPopup.php?newid=35

[stevo2]

Sounds like they don't really know.

I applied for a waiver last year with a non O entry stamp. Note I said stamp and not extension. I was on a multi O at the time.

The lady at TCT wanted to see a coy of my marraige cert. I didn't have it, was 300kms from home. She said she would accept a fax.

This was accepted on the grounds that I was applying for a waiver to get an extension based on employment.

My point is.....do they mean they want us on a Non B visa or an extension based on Employment?

Next year I will be on an extension based on employment but my last visa was an O. Will I get refused????

[aidenai]

I emailed the TCT a couple of weeks ago and was told that I must get a Non-B for a provisional teaching permit.

This is incredibly annoying as I'm already here on a Non-O and know several teachers that have permits on the same visa.

The exact words in the email were:

Dear Sir/Madam,

Non-B please is required.

Detail: http://www.ksp.or.th...up.php?newid=35

It's indeed stated in the requirements for the provisional teaching permit but not in the requirements for the teacher license.

I've always taken it as a stipulation that the TCT needs at least 30 days to process the provisional teaching permit.

Why? Because many teachers don't have a non-immigrant B visa. Many have an extension of the permission of temporary stay based on employment (777/2551 2.6 and 2.7) which as such isn't mentioned in the requirements. Let alone the extension of the permission of temporary stay based on being a family member of a Thai national (777/2551 2.18).

Visas are once-only permissions of temporary stay you apply for at Royal Thai Embassies or Consulates.

I'm sure that the moderators of the visa, work permit and residency forum can confirm this.

I guess the law makers at The Teachers' Council of Thailand have no clue about Immigration Law issues. This should be addressed.

Moreover, I'm okay with the fact that The Teachers' Council of Thailand determines the professional standards and is responsible for the issuance of teacher licenses and provisional teaching permits but is it their authority to specify legal immigration?

Edited June 14, 2012 by aidenai

[aidenai]

Sounds like they don't really know.

I applied for a waiver last year with a non O entry stamp. Note I said stamp and not extension. I was on a multi O at the time.

The requirements for the provisional teaching permit were introduced in April 2012 but enforced as of 1 February 2012.

[otherstuff1957]

My provisional Teaching permit was extended for 2 more years in May of this year. I have an O- marriage Visa.

If this is a now requirement, it is new as of this month!

[aidenai]

My provisional Teaching permit was extended for 2 more years in May of this year. I have an O- marriage Visa.

If this is a now requirement, it is new as of this month!

You were lucky I guess.

Do you recall when the school applied for it?

[otherstuff1957]

It was issued on April 20, 2012. I must have been approved just before the change.

[mike123ca]

I emailed the TCT a couple of weeks ago and was told that I must get a Non-B for a provisional teaching permit.

This is incredibly annoying as I'm already here on a Non-O and know several teachers that have permits on the same visa.

The exact words in the email were:

Dear Sir/Madam,

Non-B please is required.

Detail: http://www.ksp.or.th...up.php?newid=35

It's indeed stated in the requirements for the provisional teaching permit but not in the requirements for the teacher license.

I've always taken it as a stipulation that the TCT needs at least 30 days to process the provisional teaching permit.

Why? Because many teachers don't have a non-immigrant B visa. Many have an extension of the permission of temporary stay based on employment (777/2551 2.6 and 2.7) which as such isn't mentioned in the requirements. Let alone the extension of the permission of temporary stay based on being a family member of a Thai national (777/2551 2.18).

Visas are once-only permissions of temporary stay you apply for at Royal Thai Embassies or Consulates.

I'm sure that the moderators of the visa, work permit and residency forum can confirm this.

I guess the law makers at The Teachers' Council of Thailand have no clue about Immigration Law issues. This should be addressed.

Moreover, I'm okay with the fact that The Teachers' Council of Thailand determines the professional standards and is responsible for the issuance of teacher licenses and provisional teaching permits but is it their authority to specify legal immigration?

You have said exactly what I wanted to say when I created the post.

I had my wife call up immigration to ask about having an O and B visa at the same time. They said it wasn't possible but were curious at the request. The wife explained about the The Teachers' Council of Thailand and the requirement of only B visas. They were surprised about the B visa requirement, but won't do anything about it.