Chinese Tourists Reach Top Of Visitor List In Thailand

[Nisa]

Is there nothing else this nation can talk about except Tourism and Sex industry???? Tourism in Thailand means growing rate of Sex all over the country

I don't think the overwhelming vast majority of Thais are talking much about this, let alone are aware of this. There is a clear distinction between Thailand and Thaivisa. One is a nation and the other is conversations and views being shared by largely non-Thais.

[ginjag]

Over a dozen illegal and unregulated Chinese tour bus companies were closed down in the last 6 months in New York. They were servicing both Chinese tourists in NYC as well as the Chinatown runs to casinos in Connecticut and Atlantic City. Unfortunately, the Chinese new York tongs keep setting up new companies faster than the city can ease them out of business. There were two devastating bus accidents on I-95 last year where over 50 people were killed on each Chinese company tour bus with illegal drivers.

A very good movie showing the NY Chinese gang control is The Day of the Dragon with Mickey Rourke - very good film, not exactly real but very good. The Chinese immigrants legal and illegal in all countries run very effective powerful underground and huge black money business. very few Chinese immigrants proportionately ever assimilate into their new country's system. They just remain in the "Chinese" thing and feed off the system of their adopted country. Now there are so many big Chinese communities like New York and San Francisco that they have their own elected officials, rarely if ever contribute or give back anything to their adopting nation, and rarely if ever spend any money outside their own network.

Sure there is a growing native Chinese affluent upper middle class who shop on Madison Avenue, Sherbrooke in Montreal, and Place Vendome in Paris as onsies and twosies, but basically the "Chinese tourist" mainstream are the Chinese bus tour groups stumbling and bumbling around in groups of fifty and up following the leader around on day trips in cities around the world to gawk at Gwai-los. Bangkok would be the destination of the lower end of the Chinese economical pecking order as the result of its proximity and cheap accommodations.

I have only heard one bus crash with 15 on bus killed last year in NY/NJ coming from or leaving casino. Don't know where you got two bus crashed with over 50 killed in each.

And if anyone wonders how so many people can be so misinformed posting here, you only need to look at posts like the one you are commenting. Too many people believe too much unsourced negative crap coming from other posters as opposed to actually spending a minute looking up the facts.

We must be all misinformed Nisa, "unsourced negative crap" on your stats facts are true ???

if we were all like you we would spend hours looking things up, and quoting the book.

My idea is to stop posting and all do what your doing and just google away. get real

[Gweiloman]

That's wonderful news for T.A.T. However the Chinese usually like to travel in large packs on large buses, get escorted around tourist traps by a guide holding up a silly flag, then all head back to their Chinese owned hotel for munchies then head off to a group entertainment for the evening.

Not many independent Chinese backpackers using the trains and eating kwaiteow at small restaurants.

But the numbers are what counts I believe.

Bring 'em on. Same goes for the Koreans etc.

Does that not qualify them as tourists?

To answer your question gweilo, see Post #3 above.

Tourists ? Yes,Aka "Cheap Charlie Chans"

Cheap Charlie Chans that spend more money than your typical down and out loser farang sex tourist.

[Nisa]

It maybe that in time Chinese tourism revenue will replace lost European revenue, and by sheer scale of numbers it might.

It looks like that time might be 2012 given the receipts from last year and the continued explosion of Chinese tourists.

Europe holds the largest share of international tourism receipts in absolute numbers (38.23% share), reaching US$ 9,733 million in 2011, followed by East Asia (37.33% share or US$ 9,505 million), the Americas (7.10% share or US$ 1,807 million), Oceania (7.30% share or US$ 1,858 million), South Asia (4.85% share or US$ 1,235 million), The Middle East (4.29% share) earned US$ 1,093 million and Africa (0.88% share) US$ 224 million.

http://www.traveldailynews.com/pages/show_page/50444-Thailand-tourism-receipts-up-30%25,-highlighting-value-for-money-factor-

[ginjag]

Chinese mainlanders are big shoppers. Their days will be in the shopping malls, and the evenings in the sit down entertainment venues. Having a middle class Chinese family will bring in more dough than 4 sex tourists who drink beer all day and shag hookers all night; the places the Chinese spend their cash will pay some taxes.

Balderdash. A Bangkok hooker is far more expensive than a sit down dinner with a show. And sex tourists drink taxed alcohol. The sex tourist spends quite a bit for their fun, and the money is then spent locally, with some sent home by the hooker to the villages, some spent in small shops like the local beauty shops, some spent on local taxis, and yes some spent like the Chinese tourists in malls for clothing and entertainment. But more of the sex tourists money will be distruted to small businesses and then respent again. The money from an organized tour will end up more quickly into the hands of the elite where it will be sent overseas or invested elsewhere. In the economic vernacular, the ,money spent by sex tourists has higher 'velocity' and thus does more economic good. I am not trying to defend the sex industry here. I think is it great that the Chinese are helping to prop up the tourist industry. But four sex tourists will bring in far more money into the local economy than a Chinese family of four. What will happen is that more of the money from the Chinese tourist family will fall directly into the coffers of the Sino-Thai Bangkok elite than the money spent by sex tourists.

Don't forget tax on durex in 7_11 too.

It maybe that in time Chinese tourism revenue will replace lost European revenue, and by sheer scale of numbers it might. But the price if the packages being offered one out of China shows these guys are hardly 5 star travellers.

However, be happy they are coming at all. One sight of disease or civil unrest and the Chinese are the first to scatter. And if they would learn not to sour at the to of their voice during normal conversation that would be good too.

agree with you totally, Nisa picked up a valid point about the figure for 2012. and your quote on Chinese replacing the missing westerners. your other points are fact, these have not the staying power to all situ's as westerners, but with no problems for them they will be here in increasing numbers.

This is good news for Thailand, but TAT are wrong to think they are the b and end all of the High End tourist. They are NOT the 5 star that TAT are aiming at initially.

If we remember they started a campaign to attract FAMILY to Thailand, not altogether a good idea when most is for sex holidays--secondly high end tourists are not coming in droves until the place is CLEANED UP-note TAT-cleaned up---scams canals corruption problems, walkable streets, cleaner beaches-and seas. Chinese will find out later when they get more experienced, and hpofully they can turn a blind eye to the negative--and view the positive.

[JulesMad]

I left and then reentered Thailand 5 times last year.

I would be interested to know if TAT counted me as being 5 tourists.

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I am sure TAT counted you as 10 tourists, 5 tourists leaving and 5 tourists entering.

[LomSak27]

Cheap charlies aside its been years since a number of CHiang Mai business complained (to me) about the loss of what is termed on this forum cheapskate backpackers and Euro and Yank tourists. They felt at that time - and still do - that the average chinese tourist did not spend much money. Hey they were on a package tour and didn't have much money. for all the low life backpackers I constantly see wanna be lowlife backpackers with a DSLR camera, tablet, Ipod and ATM cards ready to go.

I'm sure that Chinese travelers will increase spending as they get more disposable income but for many its a package tour vacation

[HerbalEd]

According to some news reports I've read, the Chinese citizens of Hong Kong have recently been publicly demonstrating and expressing their complaints and disgust against the mainland Chinese tourists visiting HK, saying they urinate in the streets, are extremely rude and loud, consistently break in line, etc. Is a Chinese talking bad about another Chinese racism?

Edited July 19, 2012 by HerbalEd

[Thai at Heart]

According to some news reports I've read, the Chinese citizens of Hong Kong have recently been publicly demonstrating and expressing their complaints and disgust against the mainland Chinese tourists visiting HK, saying they urinate in the streets, are extremely rude and loud, consistently break in line, etc. Is a Chinese talking bad about another Chinese racism?

Nope, just that some Chinese are more equal r than others.

[Nisa]

According to some news reports I've read, the Chinese citizens of Hong Kong have recently been publicly demonstrating and expressing their complaints and disgust against the mainland Chinese tourists visiting HK, saying they urinate in the streets, are extremely rude and loud, consistently break in line, etc. Is a Chinese talking bad about another Chinese racism?

I heard the same said by some westerners about other westerner's in Thailand.

Edited July 19, 2012 by Nisa

[MaiChai]

Flew back to London on Thai Air yesterday. They used to use a 747 for this route; now they use a smaller plane which had some empty seats. However I noticed the Thai Air plane used for the route to Shanghai was a 747. So you can assume the number of Chinese visiting Thailand is much larger than the number of British.

[noitom]

Over a dozen illegal and unregulated Chinese tour bus companies were closed down in the last 6 months in New York. They were servicing both Chinese tourists in NYC as well as the Chinatown runs to casinos in Connecticut and Atlantic City. Unfortunately, the Chinese new York tongs keep setting up new companies faster than the city can ease them out of business. There were two devastating bus accidents on I-95 last year where over 50 people were killed on each Chinese company tour bus with illegal drivers.

Interesting. The stories I read reported two very bad accidents both with legal drivers operating for registered bus companies and 1 going to legal casinos with a total of 15 dead and 1 heading from NC to NY with 4 dead.

Also, I read of no illegal and unregistered tour bus companies being shut down but rather a huge crack down on registered bus companies over safety violations after the accident that killed 15.

And although I don't know ownership of Casino;s in Atlantic city, most are run by very large corporations. As for Connecticut, they are owned by native Indians on Indian reservations.

Over a dozen illegal and unregulated Chinese tour bus companies were closed down in the last 6 months in New York. They were servicing both Chinese tourists in NYC as well as the Chinatown runs to casinos in Connecticut and Atlantic City. Unfortunately, the Chinese new York tongs keep setting up new companies faster than the city can ease them out of business. There were two devastating bus accidents on I-95 last year where over 50 people were killed on each Chinese company tour bus with illegal drivers.

Interesting. The stories I read reported two very bad accidents both with legal drivers operating for registered bus companies and 1 going to legal casinos with a total of 15 dead and 1 heading from NC to NY with 4 dead.

Also, I read of no illegal and unregistered tour bus companies being shut down but rather a huge crack down on registered bus companies over safety violations after the accident that killed 15.

And although I don't know ownership of Casino;s in Atlantic city, most are run by very large corporations. As for Connecticut, they are owned by native Indians on Indian reservations.

You know of no shutdowns? Here are a few NY Times notations on massive shutdowns - Just a few sources on the Chinese bus operators and the shutdowns. Dozens of accidents and stories, deaths, serious injuries leading to deaths - Federal Gov shutdowns, Local shutdowns, shutdowns. Do you seriously think that every Chinese tour bus operator is legal? You know of no shutdowns and only one accident. You miss the point again and again over and over - it's evident in virtually all of your response posts - proving that someone has made a statistical error in a post or some nomenclature difference.

This is a perfect example of you missing the main point to leap on an opportunity to prove how smart and all knowing you are about all things forever and ever. The central point of this article and post was to refer to the Chinese tour trade and how the economy works as well as a note on the film that illustrates that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/nyregion/federal-officials-shut-down-26-bus-operators.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/30/nyregion/after-shutdown-buses-shake-up-chinatown-network.html

http://gothamist.com/2011/06/01/after_fatal_crash_chinatown_bus_com.php

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/killed-chinatown-tour-bus-crash-jersey-13140814

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/27/us-bus-crash-idUSTRE75Q6DL20110627

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0601/Feds-had-eye-on-Sky-Express-before-Tuesday-s-deadly-bus-crash

[Nisa]

Over a dozen illegal and unregulated Chinese tour bus companies were closed down in the last 6 months in New York. They were servicing both Chinese tourists in NYC as well as the Chinatown runs to casinos in Connecticut and Atlantic City. Unfortunately, the Chinese new York tongs keep setting up new companies faster than the city can ease them out of business. There were two devastating bus accidents on I-95 last year where over 50 people were killed on each Chinese company tour bus with illegal drivers.

Interesting. The stories I read reported two very bad accidents both with legal drivers operating for registered bus companies and 1 going to legal casinos with a total of 15 dead and 1 heading from NC to NY with 4 dead.Also, I read of no illegal and unregistered tour bus companies being shut down but rather a huge crack down on registered bus companies over safety violations after the accident that killed 15.And although I don't know ownership of Casino;s in Atlantic city, most are run by very large corporations. As for Connecticut, they are owned by native Indians on Indian reservations.

You know of no shutdowns? Do you seriously think that every Chinese tour bus operator is legal? You know of no shutdowns and only one accident.

I never said no bus companies were shut down. I never said there was only 1 accident.You can see what I wrote above your post. As for being illegal (not registered), I doubt one of your links talks about an illegal tour bus being shut down or being involved in a fatal accident.

How about providing a link to the 50 people killed in Chinese tour bus accidents, let alone with illegal drivers, last year?

I didn't miss any point, because the only point was that you are stating misleading information (untruths). The only thing thing that is factual is ...

There is a huge population of Chinese and Chinese tourists in the New England area and many small tour bus companies have sprung up to serve them. Because of the large volume of these small bus companies, that have sprung up, they sometimes don't adhere to all safety regulations knowing there is a lack of inspections by the state, there has been an increase of bus accidents involving Chinese tourists who are often headed out of state to legal casinos for a trip.

I get the point but not sure I get the relevance to this thread but maybe you can enlighten me on this part.

Edited July 20, 2012 by Nisa

[ginjag]

According to some news reports I've read, the Chinese citizens of Hong Kong have recently been publicly demonstrating and expressing their complaints and disgust against the mainland Chinese tourists visiting HK, saying they urinate in the streets, are extremely rude and loud, consistently break in line, etc. Is a Chinese talking bad about another Chinese racism?

I heard the same said by some westerners about other westerner's in Thailand.

These could be the sexpats BIG beer swillers, who prop up bars day in day out, propping up rural families, and spending everyday vast amount of money, buying a car 5,000 $ more than the states (tax) buying condo's and building houses--but they are not Chinese so are out of favour at the minute. The High flying Chinese are the in thing at the minute---BUT good for Thailand.

[maithigh]

In the second half of 2011, the arriving number of tourists sank by some 2,7 % or 356.000 compared to the first half. Feel free to figure out why.

Floods !

[qdinthailand]

My wife relayed this to me today, from a Thai television news report "2 or 3 days ago":

In regards to the Russian tourism council "requesting" Thailand get its act together regarding visitor safety, the top 5 Tourist Nationalities in the past year were reported as:

1. China

2. Malaysia

3. Russia

4. Korea

5. Japan

Now, this is tourists - probably as measured by the number of tourist visas/permits prosessed at the immigration entry points.

It does not say anything about the nationalities of 'long-term' stay visa holders. We English speaking westerners can still live with the allusion that we represent a significant contribution to the Thai economy; therefore, the Thai government should listen to us, about our problems. 555