Latest Rules For Cat O - Proof Of Funds

[dhrobertson]

I have just had an application declined for a new Cat O in Phuket.

Sadly, this has resulted in my work permit expiring. I now need to apply for a new one.

Although I showed over 900,000 TBT in my account, they apparantly checked and discovered that the balance was less than 400,000 a few days later.

What are the actual rules?

I see Singapore now require proff of 400,000. For how long?

However, no proof of funds is required at Hull, UK.

Thanks for any ideas

I have been legally married to a Thai for 12 years.

[Lite Beer]

Phuket Immigration do not issue Non Imm O Visas.

Are you asking about an extension of stay?

For a 12 month extension of stay based on having a Thai Wife the 400,000 Baht has to be in a Thai bank for a period of 2 months prior to application.

Phuket will issue a 60 day extension that might give you time to sort things out.

KL Malaysia will issue a Multi Entry Non Imm O Visa with 100,000 in the bank.

Last reports suggest that Savanakhet Laos will issue with nothing in the bank.

[ubonjoe]

This is the first report I recall of immigration checking the bank balance during the review period and denying the extension. I am not sure that withdrawing some of the money out the bank is against the rules. It is not mentioned in any police order. Many people only top up the bank account long enough to meet the extension requirements.

You could get a 60 day extension from immigration to visit your wife until your funds are above 400K for 60 days.

You could get a single entry O which requires not funds and then after getting your account back to 400K for 60 days apply for your extension again.

KL only requires 100 K in the bank and Savannakhet Laos require no financial proof for multiple O.

Edited August 26, 2012 by ubonjoe

[pigeonjake]

you do have to show your bank statements in hull, it changed last year when i did mine,ill be going there in about 2 months time when i finnish this job in scotland and hed for home

[dhrobertson]

Does anyone know what the actual rules are?

Is it just at the whim of the local officials?

How much do Hull require and for how long? Nothing is mentioned on their web site.

The crazy thing is that I can show over 100k per month going from my SCB account to my wifes account over many years. Also I make a good income here.

What has the balance in my account got to do with the price of cheese?

[pigeonjake]

st hull if memory serves me right, i had to have 400,000 in bank or you had to show at least 40,000month going in,

let me have a look at there web site

[ubonjoe]

In opinion taking the money out after applying for extension is not against the rules but the local immigration office can make their own rules.

Why don't you use the 40,000 baht per month income option. If you are making 40K or more per month from your work you can use your tax payments as proof of income.

Hull does not do extensions nor any other embassy or consulate only visas. A visa would mean border runs every 90 days.

Edited August 26, 2012 by ubonjoe

[pigeonjake]

1) national

Evidence required:

a) If married in Thailand:

Copies of Original Thai Marriage Certificate and Thai ID Card or Thai Passport.

If married in UK:

Copies of Original UK Marriage Certificate and Thai ID Card or Thai Passport.

Please note that either a single or multiple entry visa can be granted in these circumstances.

or

2) Visiting Thai child living in Thailand

Evidence required

a) Birth Certificate of child showing relationship

Proof of having legal custody of the child

Please note that either a single or multiple entry visa can be granted in these circumstances.

or

3) Visiting non Thai family working and/or living in Thailand

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[Mario2008]

As said, you could use your income for the extension of stay. Alternatively you can ask for a 60 day extension based on your Thai wife, to have time to season the money again. (But it seems not all labour offices will issue a WP against the 60 day extension).

For a visa, Kl doesn't require seasoning of money. Just that you have it in the bank.

[pigeonjake]

well that didnt work, it says 1,200 pounds per month and or 20,000 lump sum, thats for a cat o multi entry, and if your looking for the hull thai consulate you have to go on the second page because siam lagal have highjacked them when you put in thai consulate hull you get there page, crafty basterds,,

ive just told the thai colsulate about it, so we should get back to normal soon

[ubonjoe]

well that didnt work, it says 1,200 pounds per month and or 20,000 lump sum, thats for a cat o multi entry, and if your looking for the hull thai consulate you have to go on the second page because siam lagal have highjacked them when you put in thai consulate hull you get there page, crafty basterds,,

ive just told the thai colsulate about it, so we should get back to normal soon

That is for over 50 O visa for retirement.

[dhrobertson]

Phuket Immigration do not issue Non Imm O Visas.

Are you asking about an extension of stay?

For a 12 month extension of stay based on having a Thai Wife the 400,000 Baht has to be in a Thai bank for a period of 2 months prior to application.

Phuket will issue a 60 day extension that might give you time to sort things out.

KL Malaysia will issue a Multi Entry Non Imm O Visa with 100,000 in the bank.

Last reports suggest that Savanakhet Laos will issue with nothing in the bank.

You are correct. It seems my accountant applied for a 12 month extension to an existing cat O visa.

Thanks for the info. However, I still can not get the legal facts.

From where did you determine that at least 400,000 shoulod be in my account for 2 months (but not 3 or 12)?

I have about 1M going through my account each month but I do not keep 400,000 continuously.

I can prove paying over 100k per month to my Thai wife and our two kids

What are they trying to prove?

May be I should speak to someone more senior at Thai immigration?

[DILLIGAD]

My mate got an 'O' 2 months ago from Hull. Over 50, he sent 2 months bank statements from UK bank showing reqd income and all was well.

[dhrobertson]

My mate got an 'O' 2 months ago from Hull. Over 50, he sent 2 months bank statements from UK bank showing reqd income and all was well.

I do not understand your point.

What did Hull require

What did he show?

[Lite Beer]

The Official Extension Rules.

Police Order 2008.pdf

2.18 In the case of a family

member of a Thai(applicable only to parents, spouse, child, adopted child or child

of his/her spouse):

Permission will be

granted for a period of

not more than 1 year at a time.

(6) In case of marriage with a Thai lady, the husband who is an alien must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit in a local Thai bank of not less than 400,000 baht for the past 2 months for expenses within a year.

[moe666]

It doesn't matter what you give your wife a month, they want to see 400,000baht in YOUR bank account for 2 months before you apply or 40,000a month income for a 1 year extension of stay for marriage. This has been the rule for many years now no new changes.

[bkkmick]

I realise that this has more than likely been answered before, but, rules and regulations change frequently.

I am intending to go to KL next week to get the one year C, multiple entry based on marriage.

I see from above that 100,000 is required. How long does that have to be in my account prior to application? (just paid school fees x2 so it's not there today!)

'

What documents are required?

Thanks for your patience....

Mick

[Mario2008]

For the visa no seasoning of money is required, having it is enough.

Savanakhet in Laos will issue a multiple without the need to show money in the bank.

[bkkmick]

Thanks Mario. That's a weight off. Married for 11 years and strill doing this is a pain in the arse. (Long story about passport expiring/illness resulting in me losing my O extension. Will apply for it again next year.)

[dhrobertson]

The Official Extension Rules.

Police Order 2008.pdf

2.18 In the case of a family

member of a Thai(applicable only to parents, spouse, child, adopted child or child

of his/her spouse):

Permission will be

granted for a period of

not more than 1 year at a time.

(6) In case of marriage with a Thai lady, the husband who is an alien must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit in a local Thai bank of not less than 400,000 baht for the past 2 months for expenses within a year.

Thank you for this concise explanation.

Why my (former) accountant failed to mention my income is beyond belief. I could also supply the birth certificates of our children.

Getting good professional advisors here seems close to impossible. Most of them seem to be at best incompetant and at worst, crooks.

[Sophon]

The Official Extension Rules.

Police Order 2008.pdf

2.18 In the case of a family

member of a Thai(applicable only to parents, spouse, child, adopted child or child

of his/her spouse):

Permission will be

granted for a period of

not more than 1 year at a time.

(6) In case of marriage with a Thai lady, the husband who is an alien must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit in a local Thai bank of not less than 400,000 baht for the past 2 months for expenses within a year.

Thank you for this concise explanation.

Why my (former) accountant failed to mention my income is beyond belief. I could also supply the birth certificates of our children.

Getting good professional advisors here seems close to impossible. Most of them seem to be at best incompetant and at worst, crooks.

Why would you expect an accountant to know the immigration rules for extensions, especially extensions based on marriage instead of work? If I wanted to hire an expert to help me I would go to an immigration lawyer, but the process is really simple enough to do it yourself with help from a forum such as this.

Sophon

[Lite Beer]

The best people to ask are the Immigration Officers.

They will tell you exactly what they need to see.

[dhrobertson]

The Official Extension Rules.

Police Order 2008.pdf

2.18 In the case of a family

member of a Thai(applicable only to parents, spouse, child, adopted child or child

of his/her spouse):

Permission will be

granted for a period of

not more than 1 year at a time.

(6) In case of marriage with a Thai lady, the husband who is an alien must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit in a local Thai bank of not less than 400,000 baht for the past 2 months for expenses within a year.

Thank you for this concise explanation.

Why my (former) accountant failed to mention my income is beyond belief. I could also supply the birth certificates of our children.

Getting good professional advisors here seems close to impossible. Most of them seem to be at best incompetant and at worst, crooks.

Why would you expect an accountant to know the immigration rules for extensions, especially extensions based on marriage instead of work? If I wanted to hire an expert to help me I would go to an immigration lawyer, but the process is really simple enough to do it yourself with help from a forum such as this.

Sophon

Oh, so this is my fault is it?

The "accountant" advertised these services

My incompetant former accountant, financial advisor, visa specialist and work permit facilitator is, I suspect, no different from the Thai plumbers who claim mto be electricians and are unqualified in either field.

Don't worry, I will do everything personally from now on.

I would not trust ANY of the buggers.

[lopburi3]

Do you actually know on what basis you were attempting to obtain extension of stay? Your accountent can not obtain a marriage extension for you - you and wife both have to attend - and such an extension would have no effect on your work permit - only loss of job would effect that.

[bendebeer]

I do not understand why so many people have problems with money in the bank.

I just ask an officer at Chieng Mai immigration many years ago , wat is the best thing I can do about this.

She just answered just keep 5K in a fixt savings account in your own name and you will never have a problem with this. And you will have your interest also.

Why 5K, well she said may be in the future its more be on the safe side. It easy to open such an account by SCB.

And indeed for many years I have no problem with this......Immigration in Chieng Mai are very helpfull and nice people.....

[Sophon]

The Official Extension Rules.

Police Order 2008.pdf

2.18 In the case of a family

member of a Thai(applicable only to parents, spouse, child, adopted child or child

of his/her spouse):

Permission will be

granted for a period of

not more than 1 year at a time.

(6) In case of marriage with a Thai lady, the husband who is an alien must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit in a local Thai bank of not less than 400,000 baht for the past 2 months for expenses within a year.

Thank you for this concise explanation.

Why my (former) accountant failed to mention my income is beyond belief. I could also supply the birth certificates of our children.

Getting good professional advisors here seems close to impossible. Most of them seem to be at best incompetant and at worst, crooks.

Why would you expect an accountant to know the immigration rules for extensions, especially extensions based on marriage instead of work? If I wanted to hire an expert to help me I would go to an immigration lawyer, but the process is really simple enough to do it yourself with help from a forum such as this.

Sophon

Oh, so this is my fault is it?

The "accountant" advertised these services

My incompetant former accountant, financial advisor, visa specialist and work permit facilitator is, I suspect, no different from the Thai plumbers who claim mto be electricians and are unqualified in either field.

Don't worry, I will do everything personally from now on.

I would not trust ANY of the buggers.

It was a serious question. Accountants have an education that qualifies them for accounting but not in immigration matters. From your post you don't seem to be willing to trust a plumber to rewire your property just becase he claims to be able to (neither would I), so why did you trust an accountant to be able to advice you in immigration matters just because he advertised he would be able to?

Sophon

[Lifer]

I do not understand why so many people have problems with money in the bank.

I just ask an officer at Chieng Mai immigration many years ago , wat is the best thing I can do about this.

She just answered just keep 5K in a fixt savings account in your own name and you will never have a problem with this. And you will have your interest also.

Why 5K, well she said may be in the future its more be on the safe side. It easy to open such an account by SCB.

And indeed for many years I have no problem with this......Immigration in Chieng Mai are very helpfull and nice people.....

That's a crock!! Never been the way you are telling everyone. Even 16 years ago it was 200,000 Bht in the bank before it got change a number of years ago to 400,000 Bht. Gone through it for 15 years in country, and never been like your conveying.

Posters on TV, withthe exceptions of the long time moderators put out ALOT of false rumors and information.

As for the original questions. They get ask over and over and over again. Posters don't bother to gather their own information or do their own research. Why bother whenyou can post a question and people have the time to give the same information over and over and over.

At least if you make statements, be somewhere near the accuracy mark.

[bangkokburning]

For what it's worth...in the US they issue OA and O. You know the difference, my hunch is Hull is only giving out O visa. For US readers, my hunch is that they will not give you a simple O more than a double. They will push you up into OA and with that all the nasty, complicated requirements that do include proofs ("original copies" [&lt;deleted&gt;] ) in triplicate.

BTW - you chose to live in Phuket, should have known this sort of crap comes up all the time.

Edited August 28, 2012 by bangkokburning

[moe666]

The Official Extension Rules.

Police Order 2008.pdf

2.18 In the case of a family

member of a Thai(applicable only to parents, spouse, child, adopted child or child

of his/her spouse):

Permission will be

granted for a period of

not more than 1 year at a time.

(6) In case of marriage with a Thai lady, the husband who is an alien must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit in a local Thai bank of not less than 400,000 baht for the past 2 months for expenses within a year.

Thank you for this concise explanation.

Why my (former) accountant failed to mention my income is beyond belief. I could also supply the birth certificates of our children.

Getting good professional advisors here seems close to impossible. Most of them seem to be at best incompetant and at worst, crooks.

Why would you expect an accountant to know the immigration rules for extensions, especially extensions based on marriage instead of work? If I wanted to hire an expert to help me I would go to an immigration lawyer, but the process is really simple enough to do it yourself with help from a forum such as this.

Sophon

Oh, so this is my fault is it?

The "accountant" advertised these services

My incompetant former accountant, financial advisor, visa specialist and work permit facilitator is, I suspect, no different from the Thai plumbers who claim mto be electricians and are unqualified in either field.

Don't worry, I will do everything personally from now on.

I would not trust ANY of the buggers.

Sorry to say this but it is your fault for turning something as important as your permission to stay here over to anyone but yourself.

[Mario2008]

For what it's worth...in the US they issue OA and O. You know the difference, my hunch is Hull is only giving out O visa. For US readers, my hunch is that they will not give you a simple O more than a double. They will push you up into OA and with that all the nasty, complicated requirements that do include proofs ("original copies" [&lt;deleted&gt;] ) in triplicate.

BTW - you chose to live in Phuket, should have known this sort of crap comes up all the time.

The O-A visa is only issued by the consular sections of an embassy and by general consulates in some countries. Not by honorary consulates as Hull, who can only issue non-O visas.

Some consulates insist on issueing a O-A visa and will not issue a non-O visa, like in Canada. In such cases you simply apply at a honorary consulate for a non-O visa, as they cannot issue a O-A visa.