george Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Who builds the best cars these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyTheMook Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Honda , they dabble a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansgruber Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Talking high end or budget cars? Its rather broad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kartman Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Hyundai has to well up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 This question can't be answered without a decent definition of best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angiud Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Germany Italy France Japan In this order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjj Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 France??!!! You are joking right? The only way France makes the best cars are if falling apart are a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angiud Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Ok I just remember the old Citroen (DS21 or CX) the magnificent Peugeot 504, the cool 205, 2CV unforgettable, the strong Renault R4. But, hey, I'm talking about 30/40 years ago cars. So, you could cut France from my list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travelmate Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 BMW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kartman Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Ok I just remember the old Citroen (DS21 or CX) the magnificent Peugeot 504, the cool 205, 2CV unforgettable, the strong Renault R4. But, hey, I'm talking about 30/40 years ago cars. So, you could cut France from my list The R4 i had came with the optional road condition monitor you lifted up the mats and looked to see if the road was wet or dry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr3cho Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 BMW +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankee99 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Germany Italy France Japan In this order Italy maybe some decent looking but as far as reliability its a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Thought this was interesting: New Study: Volkswagen Has Best Total Quality, Toyota Fewest Problems Acknowledging that “manufacturers are running the tightest ‘quality race’ ever,” Strategic Vision announced the results of its Total Quality Index study in a press release in late August, with good news for Volkswagan, Toyota, Ford and Chrysler: “With the industry best of only 17% of owners reporting problems, Toyota Motor Sales corporation had the lowest reported problems, resulting in Strategic Vision's lowest “Problem Impact Measure” (PIM) score of 4.29, a Strategic Vision metric that examines the report of the problem, the nature (serious, moderate or minor) of the problem, and the nature of the problem unresolved by dealer. “Although this is good for Toyota, PIM is only a subset of ‘Total Quality.’ With near universal acceptance that manufacturers are running the tightest “quality race” ever, customers are increasingly defining ‘quality’ holistically and using Total Quality in their decisions. Total Quality measures how closely the experience of quality matches the explicit desires of the customer. In terms of Total Quality, Volkswagen Group of America is the leading corporation, followed by a tie between Ford Motor Company and Chrysler Group. “‘This is really great news for all those corporations, but the key to success and sales will be products that satisfy the customer's increasingly insatiable need for innovation, and the complete picture of Quality,’ says Strategic Vision President, Alexander Edwards. ‘We point out Total Quality vs. Fewest Problems for a reason. When measuring quality, the complete experience must be part of the calculation and include all the perceptions that influence how people make their decision.’ “Volkswagen Group of America's Total Quality strength centers on segment leaders like Golf, Eos, Tiguan, as well Audi segment leaders A4 and A8. Ford Motor Company was able to finish second (tied with Chrysler Group) with many strong segment rankings, and leadership from Flex, F-150 and F-250/350. Perhaps the biggest surprise is the most improved corporation—Chrysler Group. “The real message is that innovation is connected to perceptions of quality. If innovation is strong, especially such that customers can say they ‘love it,’ when referring to the product, then perceptions of quality will be greatly (positively) influenced. Strategic Vision research has proven that those who recognize and acknowledge innovation (most new car buyers) will purchase, and not just be driven by counting problems. With all manufacturers being in such close traditional quality proximity (counting problems only), there is little question that those car manufacturers who offer rich and impactful, intuitive, motivationally designed cars will have the advantage going into the future.” The full release, including the winners of each model category, is here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jitar Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Interesting article. Note "Total Quality Index was calculated from 45,390 buyers who purchased 2012 models during September to December 2011. The following list contains the number one ranked vehicles in Total Quality in their segments as rated by new vehicle buyers:" I.E. the vehicles sampled are less than a year old. TQI sounds like a measure of buyer satisfaction / lack of rattles and poor fitting trim etc. Surveys for longer term reliability and component life are not so easy to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 BMW Wait till it goes wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chotthee Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Yugo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Think who builds the best and who builds the most reliable ride is more the question. We all look for something different in a ride, bit like voting for a political party where you do not agree 100% with their polices BUT the policy you want the most is there, so you vote. Never owned a Toyota in UK but a Toyota is the only ride l would buy in LOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jitar Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 I reckon the poll is a trick question. The answer is all of the above. Europeans build the best designed high performance super cars like Ferrari, Lambo etc. Asians build the best reliability / operating cost cars like TA's beloved Vigo Americans build the best value cars like the Mustang / Corvette / Viper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarpSpeed Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 (edited) Thought this was interesting: New Study: Volkswagen Has Best Total Quality, Toyota Fewest Problems Acknowledging that “manufacturers are running the tightest ‘quality race’ ever,” Strategic Vision announced the results of its Total Quality Index study in a press release in late August, with good news for Volkswagan, Toyota, Ford and Chrysler: “With the industry best of only 17% of owners reporting problems, Toyota Motor Sales corporation had the lowest reported problems, resulting in Strategic Vision's lowest “Problem Impact Measure” (PIM) score of 4.29, a Strategic Vision metric that examines the report of the problem, the nature (serious, moderate or minor) of the problem, and the nature of the problem unresolved by dealer. “Although this is good for Toyota, PIM is only a subset of ‘Total Quality.’ With near universal acceptance that manufacturers are running the tightest “quality race” ever, customers are increasingly defining ‘quality’ holistically and using Total Quality in their decisions. Total Quality measures how closely the experience of quality matches the explicit desires of the customer. In terms of Total Quality, Volkswagen Group of America is the leading corporation, followed by a tie between Ford Motor Company and Chrysler Group. “‘This is really great news for all those corporations, but the key to success and sales will be products that satisfy the customer's increasingly insatiable need for innovation, and the complete picture of Quality,’ says Strategic Vision President, Alexander Edwards. ‘We point out Total Quality vs. Fewest Problems for a reason. When measuring quality, the complete experience must be part of the calculation and include all the perceptions that influence how people make their decision.’ “Volkswagen Group of America's Total Quality strength centers on segment leaders like Golf, Eos, Tiguan, as well Audi segment leaders A4 and A8. Ford Motor Company was able to finish second (tied with Chrysler Group) with many strong segment rankings, and leadership from Flex, F-150 and F-250/350. Perhaps the biggest surprise is the most improved corporation—Chrysler Group. “The real message is that innovation is connected to perceptions of quality. If innovation is strong, especially such that customers can say they ‘love it,’ when referring to the product, then perceptions of quality will be greatly (positively) influenced. Strategic Vision research has proven that those who recognize and acknowledge innovation (most new car buyers) will purchase, and not just be driven by counting problems. With all manufacturers being in such close traditional quality proximity (counting problems only), there is little question that those car manufacturers who offer rich and impactful, intuitive, motivationally designed cars will have the advantage going into the future.” The full release, including the winners of each model category, is here. Hmmmmm, but someone said here recently in another thread that where it's assembled doesn't matter it's just about design and they're all just the same parts?? Don't see ANY of her Majesty's products listed there from ANY present or former colonies save for one.. The ONE! And it's also noted that Chrysler is listed in there as well, I seem to remember touting their new designs and quality over the past efforts in that same thread..Seems someone has their finger firmly on the pulse of the auto industry .. Edited September 14, 2012 by WarpSpeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Thought this was interesting: New Study: Volkswagen Has Best Total Quality, Toyota Fewest Problems Acknowledging that “manufacturers are running the tightest ‘quality race’ ever,” Strategic Vision announced the results of its Total Quality Index study in a press release in late August, with good news for Volkswagan, Toyota, Ford and Chrysler: “With the industry best of only 17% of owners reporting problems, Toyota Motor Sales corporation had the lowest reported problems, resulting in Strategic Vision's lowest “Problem Impact Measure” (PIM) score of 4.29, a Strategic Vision metric that examines the report of the problem, the nature (serious, moderate or minor) of the problem, and the nature of the problem unresolved by dealer. “Although this is good for Toyota, PIM is only a subset of ‘Total Quality.’ With near universal acceptance that manufacturers are running the tightest “quality race” ever, customers are increasingly defining ‘quality’ holistically and using Total Quality in their decisions. Total Quality measures how closely the experience of quality matches the explicit desires of the customer. In terms of Total Quality, Volkswagen Group of America is the leading corporation, followed by a tie between Ford Motor Company and Chrysler Group. “‘This is really great news for all those corporations, but the key to success and sales will be products that satisfy the customer's increasingly insatiable need for innovation, and the complete picture of Quality,’ says Strategic Vision President, Alexander Edwards. ‘We point out Total Quality vs. Fewest Problems for a reason. When measuring quality, the complete experience must be part of the calculation and include all the perceptions that influence how people make their decision.’ “Volkswagen Group of America's Total Quality strength centers on segment leaders like Golf, Eos, Tiguan, as well Audi segment leaders A4 and A8. Ford Motor Company was able to finish second (tied with Chrysler Group) with many strong segment rankings, and leadership from Flex, F-150 and F-250/350. Perhaps the biggest surprise is the most improved corporation—Chrysler Group. “The real message is that innovation is connected to perceptions of quality. If innovation is strong, especially such that customers can say they ‘love it,’ when referring to the product, then perceptions of quality will be greatly (positively) influenced. Strategic Vision research has proven that those who recognize and acknowledge innovation (most new car buyers) will purchase, and not just be driven by counting problems. With all manufacturers being in such close traditional quality proximity (counting problems only), there is little question that those car manufacturers who offer rich and impactful, intuitive, motivationally designed cars will have the advantage going into the future.” The full release, including the winners of each model category, is here. Hmmmmm, but someone said here recently in another thread that where it's assembled doesn't matter it's just about design and they're all just the same parts?? Don't see ANY of her Majesty's products listed there from ANY present or former colonies save for one.. The ONE! And it's also noted that Chrysler is listed in there as well, I seem to remember touting their new designs and quality over the past efforts in that same thread..Seems someone has their finger firmly on the pulse of the auto industry .. What Majesty are you referring too ?The UK Majesty had no interests in car manufacture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 More of the Same: Strategic Vision has presented Total Quality Awards™ annually since 1995. Based on Strategic Vision's quantitative “ValueCentered®” NVES study, the Total Quality Index was calculated from 45,390 buyers who purchased 2012 models during September to December 2011. The following list contains the number one ranked vehicles in Total Quality in their segments as rated by new vehicle buyers: Segment Winner(s) TQI Score Small Car Fiat 500 Hatchback 869 Small Multi-Function Volkswagen Golf 874 Mid-Size Car Chevrolet Volt 913 Mid-Size Multi-Function Honda Accord Crosstour 879 Large Car Dodge Charger 911 Near-Luxury Car Audi A4 Sedan 917 Luxury Car Audi A8 Sedan 942 Specialty Coupe Mini Cooper Coupe 926 Premium Coupe BMW 1-Series Coupe Chevrolet Corvette Coupe 922 921 Convertible Volkswagen Eos 902 Premium Convertible/Roadster BMW Z4 Roadster 938 Minivan Honda Odyssey 872 Entry Utility Volkswagen Tiguan 877 Mid-Size Crossover Utility Ford Flex 888 Mid-Size Traditional Utility Jeep Grand Cherokee 888 Large Utility Nissan Armada 900 Near-Luxury Utility Land Rover Evoque 5-Door 928 Luxury Utility BMW X6 936 Standard Pickup Honda Ridgeline 863 Full-Size Pickup Ford F-150 902 Heavy-Duty Pickup Ford F-250/350 874 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Interesting article. Note "Total Quality Index was calculated from 45,390 buyers who purchased 2012 models during September to December 2011. The following list contains the number one ranked vehicles in Total Quality in their segments as rated by new vehicle buyers:" I.E. the vehicles sampled are less than a year old. TQI sounds like a measure of buyer satisfaction / lack of rattles and poor fitting trim etc. Surveys for longer term reliability and component life are not so easy to find. My dad always told me: "Don't ask sombody that has one, ask sombody that HAD one." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Somebody actually answered the poll with 'Americans' . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortenaa Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 BMW Wait till it goes wrong. Everything goes wrong. At least they have 5-years full warranty and service included Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 BMW Wait till it goes wrong. Everything goes wrong. At least they have 5-years full warranty and service included In LOS ? and they can fix it. WOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Conners Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 I think the question was "who builds the best cars" - not which were best values, and as such I'd say hands down Germans (BMW, Merc, WV-group) and Italians (Ferrari, Lamborghini). Yeah Honda is a great value car, but if I didn't have to look at the price I wouldn't have picked one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansgruber Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 BMW Wait till it goes wrong. BM Trouble you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon210 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 BMW Wait till it goes wrong. BM Trouble you. No, I think that was simply a reference to the horrendous cost of maintaining or repairing a BMW in Thailand. This being said, very safe and comfortable cars, in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 BMW Wait till it goes wrong. BM Trouble you. No, I think that was simply a reference to the horrendous cost of maintaining or repairing a BMW in Thailand. This being said, very safe and comfortable cars, in general. How right you are. In farang land l have been involved with them. Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonclark Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 TGF says Asian cars built in Europe by Americans must be best. Thai logic rules!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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