Chaisit Tells Pitak Siam To Desist From Anti-Govt Rally

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Chaisit tells Pitak Siam to desist from anti-govt rally

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Chaisit Shinawatra, an adviser to the prime minister, led some 40 Pre-Cadet Academy graduates yesterday to protest against Pitak Siam or the protect Siam group, which is scheduled to hold an anti-government rally on November 25.

The Pre-Cadet Class 5, 7, 8, 10, 11 and 13 graduates called on rally organiser Boonlert Kaewprasit, a Class 1 graduate, to stop harming democracy by pushing for a power seizure.

"Boonlert must stop driving a wedge in society by inviting the military to stage a coup and freeze democratic rule for five years," they said in a statement.

In his attempt to mobilise the masses, Boonlert said the political system should be frozen for five years to pave the way for reforms so the government could no longer cite popular votes to plunder the country.

Chaisit and the graduates countered that if there was another coup, it would inflict untold damage to the economy and it would regress in comparison with other Asean countries.

If this government fails to perform satisfactorily, then the next administration should be installed democratically, they said. The Pre-Cadet graduates also said that they would never condone power seizure or allow Boonlert to overthrow the government using undemocratic means.

Chaisit, who is also a cousin of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, said he was not worried about Boonlert using the masses to pressure the government because he believes the ruling Pheu Thai Party can attract bigger crowds.

"I want to remind Boonlert to come to his senses," he said, adding that Boonlert could not expect his group of protesters to outpace government supporters. He also said that he did not want to see Boonlert being used as a frontman for the elite.

Boonlert's former English-language teacher, Atchara Saengprateep, said she was sad to see her pupil being led astray. "I want the country to stay on the path of democracy and hope that people with wrong ideas will change," she said.

-- The Nation 2012-11-10

[LuckyLew]

Yes it is ok for one side to protest and demand a change in Gov't

It is ok for one side to take a city hostage and shut down the downtown core

but the other side should not protest as it is harming Thai democracy, and as

we all no Thai democracy is not what the rest of the world calls democracy

[Moruya]

Chaisit Shinawatra can clearly have no axe to grind......

[OzMick]

A "royal" decree from a member of the Shinawatra dynasty. It should have ended with "Do as we say, not as we did."

The rebuke from a former teacher was a nice touch, but nowhere near as credible as Jatuporn's mum.

[drdoom6996]

Stop Harming Democracy????? WHAT DEMOCRACY!!!!! I'm sorry I don't understand.

[Buchholz]

BANGKOK: -- Chaisit Shinawatra, an adviser to the prime minister, led some 40 Pre-Cadet Academy graduates yesterday to protest against Pitak Siam

Rather than protest against another group protesting, perhaps Cousin General Chaisit should try presiding over a repeat of his own previous voodoo rally as it worked so well...

General Chaisit Shinawatra (center in 2nd photo)

The Nation 2009-02-17

Thaksin's supporters hold rite to relieve him of bad luck

CHIANG MAI: -- Ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra's supporters held a rite at a Chiang Mai temple Tuesday aimed at correcting "his sins in the past life" that were believed to have resulted in his bad karma.

The rite, a combination of animism, voodoo and Buddhism, was performed by the abbot of Wat Umong and eight other monks, as well as a pro-Thaksin trance medium.

It was presided over by General Chaisit Shinawatra, Thaksin's cousin and former Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces.

His supporters expected the Lanna-style ceremony to help relieve Thaksin of bad lucks and ward off evils coming his way. About 300 people took part in the rite.

The bizarre-looking Red Suited Thaksin portrait from 40 years ago perhaps needs updating for the ceremony to be more successful.

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Edited November 10, 2012 by Buchholz

[nurofiend]

Yes it is ok for one side to protest and demand a change in Gov't

It is ok for one side to take a city hostage and shut down the downtown core

but the other side should not protest as it is harming Thai democracy, and as

we all no Thai democracy is not what the rest of the world calls democracy

is this "Boonlert said the political system should be frozen for five years" an acceptable statement to you? that question goes for anyone on this forum.

[smedly]

Right, so the basis for overthrowing a government is (quoted from the article) when they are not performing satisfactorily

How does anyone know how this government is performing ?

They point blank to answer any questions

They refuse to give details about missing monies from government projects

They are Fiscally absent and tell lies

The Prime Minister avoids parlament like it was a mens club

How do they expect to remain in power if they are not open and transparent.

It just seems to me that being a member of the cabinet for this government is like getting the key to the vault and going in there and filling every bag you can carry - then comes a reshuffle for the the next shift to fill their bags - I honestly believe that when someone finally realises what is going on Thailand will be in deep deep debt and all these crooks will be living it up in Dubai

[asiawatcher]

Surprise surprise another Shinawatra clansmen unhappy with genuine concerned Thai people bringing to fellow Thai's - the truth and the chance to change.

Edited November 10, 2012 by asiawatcher

[FOODLOVER]

Yes it is ok for one side to protest and demand a change in Gov't

It is ok for one side to take a city hostage and shut down the downtown core

but the other side should not protest as it is harming Thai democracy, and as

we all no Thai democracy is not what the rest of the world calls democracy

is this "Boonlert said the political system should be frozen for five years" an acceptable statement to you? that question goes for anyone on this forum.

Chalerm does not have a monopoly on stupid statements within the Thai political scene. " My helicopter does not have night radar", batting eyelashes wildly.

[Buchholz]

A "royal" decree from a member of the Shinawatra dynasty. It should have ended with "Do as we say, not as we did."

The rebuke from a former teacher was a nice touch, but nowhere near as credible as Jatuporn's mum.

and no where near as close.

I dare say, though, that as she is saying she was a retired person's teacher, she must be even older than Jatuporn's mother and she's 93.

UPDATE : 10 April 2009

The Mother of a red shirt core leader has asked her son to stop campaigning against the monarchy

90-year-old Nuam Prompan, mother of Jatuporn Prompan, pleaded with her son to stop what he is doing, saying it is inappropriate and disrespectful. She also expressed interest in meeting her son directly to offer her advice, but added that she has not seen her son for five or six years and Jatuporn has not taken her phone calls during this time.

Aree Parndaeng, Jatuporn's elder sister, confirmed her mother's remarks, saying Jatupron has not taken any phone calls from Nuam, despite her suffering from health problems.

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Mum tells UDD leader: Stop it

The elderly mother of United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) leader and opposition Puea Thai MP Jatuporn Prompan has told him to stop damaging the country.

Mrs Nuam said her son's activities made her feel uncomfortable because she feared he was causing harm to the country.

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[Moruya]

Yes it is ok for one side to protest and demand a change in Gov't

It is ok for one side to take a city hostage and shut down the downtown core

but the other side should not protest as it is harming Thai democracy, and as

we all no Thai democracy is not what the rest of the world calls democracy

is this "Boonlert said the political system should be frozen for five years" an acceptable statement to you? that question goes for anyone on this forum.

No. He should clearly have said "nepotic system of corruption"

[Buchholz]

Chaisit and the graduates countered that if there was another coup, it would inflict untold damage to the economy and it would regress in comparison with other Asean countries.

coup? coup? who's saying what about a coup?

As for the coups - here's a memorable article from 2009, a few months after the first red uprising that failed to dislodge Abhisit's government:

General Chaisit backs military coup

Former Army Chief Chaisit Shinawatra said on Saturday that he would support another military coup if it can help the country get out of political crisis.

The retired general was responding to the prediction by Jatuporn Prompahn, a core leader of the pro-Thaksin United front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), that there would be a military coup while Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva visits the United States late next week.

General Chaisit admitted that he had just returned from visiting former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. He said Thaksin is now happy doing business with foreign investors but still wants to return home to stay with his family.

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Bottom line - despite all the rhetoric those guys oppose coups only when they are on the receiving end, one would be extremely naive to believe otherwise.

[Buchholz]

Surprise surprise another Shinawatra clansmen unhappy with genuine concerned Thai people bringing to fellow Thai's - the truth and the chance to change.

This Shinawatra clansman, in particular, is up front many times... perhaps too up front sometimes. It could explain why he's not the Defense Minister now as he thought he would be pre-election and why he don't hear too much from him over time. He's only a notch or two ahead of Payup Shinawatra on the clansman misfit ladder.

Another Shinawatra has chimed in regarding the Pheu Thai Party slogan (and thread sub-title), "Thaksin Thinks and Pheu Thai Does It"

Former Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces (appointed by his cousin, Thaksin) General Chaisit Shinawatra

Article (in Thai)

http://www.innnews.c....php?nid=280250

INN News - April 15, 2011

In an interview with INN News, Chaisit feels that any member of the extended Shinawatra clan could become prime minister and finds Yingluck to be a suitable candidate.

He indicated that his cousin, Thaksin, will be the one to choose the Pheu Thai Party candidate for the position of PM. He goes on to say that Thaksin will only return to Thailand when he is positive that he will not have to serve any of his adjudicated prison time.

If the PTP were to win, they will seek avenues to exonerate him from that sentence.

Lastly, Chaisit indicated that he is confidant of landing the position of Defence Minister if PTP wins.

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Edited November 10, 2012 by Buchholz

[rubl]

He also said that he did not want to see Boonlert being used as a frontman for the elite.

I would agree a coup wouldn't be the answer Thailand needs.

I do wonder about the 'being used as frontman for the elite'. Was the advisor to the Prime Minister Gen. Chaisit talking about his own sorry position?

[bigbamboo]

Not another bloody Shinawatra!

[backtonormal]

Surprise surprise another Shinawatra clansmen unhappy with genuine concerned Thai people bringing to fellow Thai's - the truth and the chance to change.

Change to what...military rule. The curtains coming down and events beyond their control have left them with only the coup option.

[Buchholz]

Surprise surprise another Shinawatra clansmen unhappy with genuine concerned Thai people bringing to fellow Thai's - the truth and the chance to change.

Change to what...military rule. The curtains coming down and events beyond their control have left them with only the coup option.

The option one would presume to have the backing of former Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces (appointed by his cousin, Thaksin) General Chaisit Shinawatra like before.

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Edited November 10, 2012 by Buchholz

[h90]

Not another bloody Shinawatra!

There must be a Shinawatra cloning factory somewhere......

[ramrod711]

Chaisit, who is also a cousin of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, said he was not worried about Boonlert using the masses to pressure the government because he believes the ruling Pheu Thai Party can attract bigger crowds.

I believe he is absolutely correct, as long as Thaksin has money to pay "supporters", they will show up in large numbers. The fact that he failed to pay everyone that he promised he would in 2010 seems to have little effect. I think hearing from Oak and Chaisit is a good sign, desperation is setting in.

[OzMick]

BANGKOK: -- Chaisit Shinawatra, an adviser to the prime minister, led some 40 Pre-Cadet Academy graduates yesterday to protest against Pitak Siam

Rather than protest against another group protesting, perhaps Cousin General Chaisit should try presiding over a repeat of his own previous voodoo rally as it worked so well...

General Chaisit Shinawatra (center in 2nd photo)

The Nation 2009-02-17

Thaksin's supporters hold rite to relieve him of bad luck

CHIANG MAI: -- Ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra's supporters held a rite at a Chiang Mai temple Tuesday aimed at correcting "his sins in the past life" that were believed to have resulted in his bad karma.

The rite, a combination of animism, voodoo and Buddhism, was performed by the abbot of Wat Umong and eight other monks, as well as a pro-Thaksin trance medium.

It was presided over by General Chaisit Shinawatra, Thaksin's cousin and former Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces.

His supporters expected the Lanna-style ceremony to help relieve Thaksin of bad lucks and ward off evils coming his way. About 300 people took part in the rite.

The bizarre-looking Red Suited Thaksin portrait from 40 years ago perhaps needs updating for the ceremony to be more successful.

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<deleted>! His sins in a past life? Hasn't he got enough in this bloody life to warrant a little bad kharma.

[kimamey]

Yes it is ok for one side to protest and demand a change in Gov't

It is ok for one side to take a city hostage and shut down the downtown core

but the other side should not protest as it is harming Thai democracy, and as

we all no Thai democracy is not what the rest of the world calls democracy

Well said although I do agree that there should be no call for a coup. I do wonder however if the PTP want a coup for some reason with the way they seem to want to promote dubious characters to parliament and cabinet, try to avoid laws and have a criminal openly appearing to run the government. It's not as if they need to really with the majority they have. They could just get on with the job of running the country abide by the laws and not give ammunition to the opposition.

[OzMick]

Yes it is ok for one side to protest and demand a change in Gov't

It is ok for one side to take a city hostage and shut down the downtown core

but the other side should not protest as it is harming Thai democracy, and as

we all no Thai democracy is not what the rest of the world calls democracy

Well said although I do agree that there should be no call for a coup. I do wonder however if the PTP want a coup for some reason with the way they seem to want to promote dubious characters to parliament and cabinet, try to avoid laws and have a criminal openly appearing to run the government. It's not as if they need to really with the majority they have. They could just get on with the job of running the country abide by the laws and not give ammunition to the opposition.

The obvious use of Thaksin in the election campaign was blatant breaking of electoral law, inviting the CC to disband the party. Which of course would have been labeled a "judicial coup" even if renamed PTP members formed government. Why do it if the intent is not to cause further division and unrest?

[Buchholz]

BANGKOK: -- Chaisit Shinawatra, an adviser to the prime minister, led some 40 Pre-Cadet Academy graduates yesterday to protest against Pitak Siam

Rather than protest against another group protesting, perhaps Cousin General Chaisit should try presiding over a repeat of his own previous voodoo rally as it worked so well...

General Chaisit Shinawatra (center in 2nd photo)

The Nation 2009-02-17

Thaksin's supporters hold rite to relieve him of bad luck

CHIANG MAI: -- Ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra's supporters held a rite at a Chiang Mai temple Tuesday aimed at correcting "his sins in the past life" that were believed to have resulted in his bad karma.

The rite, a combination of animism, voodoo and Buddhism, was performed by the abbot of Wat Umong and eight other monks, as well as a pro-Thaksin trance medium.

It was presided over by General Chaisit Shinawatra, Thaksin's cousin and former Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces.

His supporters expected the Lanna-style ceremony to help relieve Thaksin of bad lucks and ward off evils coming his way. About 300 people took part in the rite.

The bizarre-looking Red Suited Thaksin portrait from 40 years ago perhaps needs updating for the ceremony to be more successful.

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<deleted>! His sins in a past life? Hasn't he got enough in this bloody life to warrant a little bad kharma.

Voodoo or no voodoo, Pitak Siam is apparently not going to heed to Cousin General Chaisit's protests...

There is a change of venue...

Anti-government group to stage new rally November 24

BANGKOK, Nov 10 - The anti-government Pitak Siam group will rally again at the Royal Plaza on November 24, targeting to draw as many as one million protesters to unseat the government of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra.

The movement led by Gen Boonlert Kaewprasit and former Foreign Minister Sqn Ldr Prasong Soonsiri have met at the office of Royal Turf Club on Saturday to discuss further moves on an anti-government rally.

Gen Boonlert told reporters after the meeting that the second mass rally would be held on November 24 at 9.01am but the venue has changed from Bangkok’s Royal Turf Club to the Royal Plaza.

The retired general said the Royal Turf Club was a closed area so the rally could put no pressure on the government.

He said the demonstration would not be prolonged as he did not want the gathering to affect the general public. He said the final decision would rely on the situation but he believed the rally would be no longer than two days and one night.

-- TNA 2012-11-10

Edited November 10, 2012 by Buchholz

[khunken]

I remember general Chaisit well. Back in the Thaksin era (pre-clone & pre-coup) he was army chief - probably the worst ever - and Bangkok was about to hold the APEC get-together (photo-ops for all). He told the yellow-shirts and any other protest group that they had better not befoul the streets during the talk-fest. This was after all the stray dogs & beggars had been rounded up & dumped somewhere outside the city.

Funny, here was the army chief - not the police - controlling the city's streets. Reminds me of something similar............

[Pimay1]

My cousin Thaksin said you had better not have this protest and he means it.

[rubl]

He said the demonstration would not be prolonged as he did not want the gathering to affect the general public. He said the final decision would rely on the situation but he believed the rally would be no longer than two days and one night.

Saturday till Sunday at Royal Plaza. Sounds fine to me and most likely lots of Bangkok people as well, as they like a less traffic choked outing to shopping complexes in their weekend. Not too far from where I live, maybe I'll have a look. Mind you, the red-shirt / UDD rallies tend to have better open markets and shopping opportunities

[bigbamboo]

You have to say that this Boonlert seems like a fairly reasonable sort of chap for a Thai political activist. OK he thinks it's time for another coup but at least he's not trying to bribe people to attend or inconvenience people too much or ask them to come tooled up and there's been no mention of burning buildings at all.... which is nice.

[OzMick]

You have to say that this Boonlert seems like a fairly reasonable sort of chap for a Thai political activist. OK he thinks it's time for another coup but at least he's not trying to bribe people to attend or inconvenience people too much or ask them to come tooled up and there's been no mention of burning buildings at all.... which is nice.....

.......for a change.

[Thai at Heart]

Yes it is ok for one side to protest and demand a change in Gov't

It is ok for one side to take a city hostage and shut down the downtown core

but the other side should not protest as it is harming Thai democracy, and as

we all no Thai democracy is not what the rest of the world calls democracy

Well said although I do agree that there should be no call for a coup. I do wonder however if the PTP want a coup for some reason with the way they seem to want to promote dubious characters to parliament and cabinet, try to avoid laws and have a criminal openly appearing to run the government. It's not as if they need to really with the majority they have. They could just get on with the job of running the country abide by the laws and not give ammunition to the opposition.

Well in this crazy thing called Thai politics, splitting the army might seem an attractive proposition.