Yingluck Fears Violence At Protest; Police Claim Plot To Kidnap Prime Minister

[jayboy]

Green light supporters have been attacked by Siam Pitak guards in front of the Royal Turf Club.To be far fair to Siam Pitak organisers they have apologised for these thugs behaviour.Some pf the usual suspects still ranting about red shirt violence?

[Thai at Heart]

Green light supporters have been attacked by Siam Pitak guards in front of the Royal Turf Club.To be far fair to Siam Pitak organisers they have apologised for these thugs behaviour.Some pf the usual suspects still ranting about red shirt violence?

Here were go again. I swear, tanks by Tuesday.

Got a link?

[Maestro]

Police expect at least 50,000 people to join the activities at the Royal Plaza, where more than 100 police companies would be stationed to maintain peace and order, Adul said.

How many persons are in a police company?

[scorecard]

I hear that Jatuporn is about to announce, that they also plan to hold satanic-rituals at the small political meeting, and start a nuclear-war with a middle-eastern country whose name begins with 'D' or 'I', but I too may be wrong.

Seriously, why is the current government so very alarmed, by a relatively-small rally like this ?

Have they heard something (apart from ridiculous claims of plots to kidnap the PM) which worries them, or can they simply not manage to accept any criticism at all, in line with the Big Boss's similar inability/instability ?

No - they're not scared, but more cunning and clever than you think. Put some red agitators in the crowd, stir up trouble, crack down hard with the poilce, cause even more violence, bring in the 23k "volunteers". Well, obviously need to outlaw rogue organizations that cause such trouble, and give the government more power to deal with them. You see the direction - police state, no right to mass protest, only government support rallies allowed, censor everything, all leads to the one party state dream headed by dear leader. This blue print has been used so many times in history. I guess this government figures they can tell the people anything and be believed.

Interesting analysis.

Perhaps there's more; getting home is taking longer than expected, much longer, close to zero real progress on this, patience is running out.

Create mayhem and absolute control and the paymaster slips in the back door. Then of course assassination theories take on a new 'at home' slant.

Edited November 23, 2012 by scorecard

[jayboy]

Green light supporters have been attacked by Siam Pitak guards in front of the Royal Turf Club.To be far fair to Siam Pitak organisers they have apologised for these thugs behaviour.Some pf the usual suspects still ranting about red shirt violence?

Here were go again. I swear, tanks by Tuesday.

Got a link?

Dont' do links but just google.As I say so far Pitak Siam have been responsible and distanced itself from this filth.

[h90]

Green light supporters have been attacked by Siam Pitak guards in front of the Royal Turf Club.To be far fair to Siam Pitak organisers they have apologised for these thugs behaviour.Some pf the usual suspects still ranting about red shirt violence?

how many buildings did the Siam Pitak burn down in anger?

[jayboy]

Green light supporters have been attacked by Siam Pitak guards in front of the Royal Turf Club.To be far fair to Siam Pitak organisers they have apologised for these thugs behaviour.Some pf the usual suspects still ranting about red shirt violence?

how many buildings did the Siam Pitak burn down in anger?

None.What's your point? As I mentioned it's encouraging Pitak Siam have condemned the disgusting behaviour of their fascist thugs.

[Asiantravel]

I hear that Jatuporn is about to announce, that they also plan to hold satanic-rituals at the small political meeting, and start a nuclear-war with a middle-eastern country whose name begins with 'D' or 'I', but I too may be wrong.

Seriously, why is the current government so very alarmed, by a relatively-small rally like this ?

Have they heard something (apart from ridiculous claims of plots to kidnap the PM) which worries them, or can they simply not manage to accept any criticism at all, in line with the Big Boss's similar inability/instability ?

No - they're not scared, but more cunning and clever than you think. Put some red agitators in the crowd, stir up trouble, crack down hard with the poilce, cause even more violence, bring in the 23k "volunteers". Well, obviously need to outlaw rogue organizations that cause such trouble, and give the government more power to deal with them. You see the direction - police state, no right to mass protest, only government support rallies allowed, censor everything, all leads to the one party state dream headed by dear leader. This blue print has been used so many times in history. I guess this government figures they can tell the people anything and be believed.

Interesting analysis.

Perhaps there's more; getting home is taking longer than expected, much longer, close to zero real progress on this, patience is running out.

Create mayhem and absolute control and the paymaster slips in the back door. Then of course assassination theories take on a new 'at home' slant.

do you think he has ever slipped in the backdoor before now - just for a visit? I often wonder about this.

I mean surely it would only need the silence of a handful of sympathetic officials ?

Private jet landing at night, whisked off in a car to some private and heavily guarded residence ?

This would be easier to do in somewhere like Chiang Mai or Isaan ?

Edited November 23, 2012 by Asiantravel

[Thai at Heart]

Green light supporters have been attacked by Siam Pitak guards in front of the Royal Turf Club.To be far fair to Siam Pitak organisers they have apologised for these thugs behaviour.Some pf the usual suspects still ranting about red shirt violence?

Here were go again. I swear, tanks by Tuesday.

Got a link?

Dont' do links but just google.As I say so far Pitak Siam have been responsible and distanced itself from this filth.

Will have a look.

[h90]

Green light supporters have been attacked by Siam Pitak guards in front of the Royal Turf Club.To be far fair to Siam Pitak organisers they have apologised for these thugs behaviour.Some pf the usual suspects still ranting about red shirt violence?

how many buildings did the Siam Pitak burn down in anger?

None.What's your point? As I mentioned it's encouraging Pitak Siam have condemned the disgusting behaviour of their fascist thugs.

So there was some light trouble with provocateurs and therefor Pitak Siam are fascist thugs.

When the reds looting shops than it is a fight for democracy.

Maybe you should take off your red googles and come to a balanced view of things.

[rijb]

Well looks to me like the Yellow shirts are going to start the trouble this time. So now all you yellow shirt lovers down there gor ahead because we have had a nice peaceful time for what 1 + years?

Sorry but you don't know what you're writing about.

Peaceful - not quite with red shirts threatening CC judges, failed attempts to pass an amnesty law, failed attempts to amend the constitution. Do you actually live here?

Yellow shirts - wrong. This is a different group that has attracted, among others, PAD supporters, Multi-coloured shirt supporters, groups from the south & even disaffected farmers from Isan.

That's why the government is running around like headless chickens with all sorts of conspiracy theories & attempts (including physical ones) to try & stop the protest. They (PTP) are very close to inciting violence.

And you don't know either. The people on the streets might be wearing different color shirts. But, they don't call the shots. The real players could all fit in a small room. And they're the same pupeteers as before.

The debate about past events and the lack of a 'true democracy' is only important to impotent expats on the sidelines. It's not in the least relevant to the high level factions behind the scenes.

[Buchholz]

QUOTE:

Police expect at least 50,000 people to join the activities at the Royal Plaza, where more than 100 police companies would be stationed to maintain peace and order, Adul said.

UNQUOTE.

How many persons are in a police company?

According to this article, which highlights how wildly the various police statements (this time by the same policeman) have been throughout this ordeal, and my calculator, it appears there are 150 policemen to a police company.

Police Commissioner General Police General Adul Saengsingkaew had prepared 112 companies comprising 16,800 policemen to maintain security around the rally site.

Adul plans to mobilise some 50,000-80,000 police officers to control the Saturday rally.

Forces ready to control the Saturday rally :

80,000 Police / 23,000 Police Volunteers / 200,000 Red Shirts

Edited November 23, 2012 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Police massing up in the area

Khaosod News (Thai) - 20 minutes ago

http://www.khaosod.co.th/view_newsonline.php?newsid=TVRNMU16WTRNRFExT1E9PQ==&catid=01

[Asiantravel]

how many buildings did the Siam Pitak burn down in anger?

None.What's your point? As I mentioned it's encouraging Pitak Siam have condemned the disgusting behaviour of their fascist thugs.

So there was some light trouble with provocateurs and therefor Pitak Siam are fascist thugs.

When the reds looting shops than it is a fight for democracy.

Maybe you should take off your red googles and come to a balanced view of things.

Pot, kettle, black.....

At that time the PTP looked like they were being denied the right to an election.

When it finally happened they won an absolute majority. End of story until the next election.

Pitak Siam are now inciting public disorder when it is clear that most Thai's ( when

you include the rural voters ) are more than happy to allow the government to

do it's job ?

Edited November 23, 2012 by Asiantravel

[monkfish]

Considering what they got up to last time out likw hijack 4 international airports + close Government house for 6 months.

ISA probably is the minimum precaution.

Failing that may be equip soldiers with automatic weapons and 7mm sniper rifles and close all yellow media outlets.

oops sorry wrong regime that was 2010.

[Buchholz]

Perhaps there has been. Hopefully, the National Police Chief will clarify later today which prominent figures have been targeted as apparently the expanding conspiracy now includes those under threat besides Yingluck.

Police Major-General Piya Uthayo, National Police Spokesman, said the National Police Chief will today explain every step of the ISA enforcement including protection for the homes of prominent figures.

Interesting. Not too jump to conclusions, but when they say kidnap, i wonder if that could translate as detain?

There's a different term being used now. It didn't come from the National Police Chief, but it did come from the Deputy Prime Minister in Charge of Police *and a laundry list of other entities*.

kidnap >>> arrest

"They have been reports that hard core protestors will arrest the prime minister, myself and seize Government House, and create violence before sneaking into hiding at nearby Sanam Suapa, Wat Benjamabopitr and important government buildings," the Deputy Premier said.

http://www.mcot.net/...cb#.UK-OkZgY2So

[Thai at Heart]

Perhaps there has been. Hopefully, the National Police Chief will clarify later today which prominent figures have been targeted as apparently the expanding conspiracy now includes those under threat besides Yingluck.

Police Major-General Piya Uthayo, National Police Spokesman, said the National Police Chief will today explain every step of the ISA enforcement including protection for the homes of prominent figures.

Interesting. Not too jump to conclusions, but when they say kidnap, i wonder if that could translate as detain?

There's a different term being used now. It didn't come from the National Police Chief, but it did come from the Deputy Prime Minister in Charge of Police *and a laundry list of other entities*.

kidnap >>> arrest

"They have been reports that hard core protestors will arrest the prime minister, myself and seize Government House, and create violence before sneaking into hiding at nearby Sanam Suapa, Wat Benjamabopitr and important government buildings," the Deputy Premier said.

http://www.mcot.net/...cb#.UK-OkZgY2So

Which is what tends to happen during coups. Although, arrest as a word suggests a police action. Armies detain people.

What happens constitutionally if the pm and all the deputy pms disappear en masse. That is of course aside from corruption levels going down instantly.

[15Peter20]

Considering what they got up to last time out likw hijack 4 international airports + close Government house for 6 months.

ISA probably is the minimum precaution.

Failing that may be equip soldiers with automatic weapons and 7mm sniper rifles and close all yellow media outlets.

oops sorry wrong regime that was 2010.

It's not so much a question of how many security measures the government attempts to bring to bear on the situation, it's a question of how determined the security agencies are to implement those measures. When the airports were taken it was clear that neither police or army had the stomach - or should I say political allegiance - to carry out their orders. This time I'd say there's more of a chance they'll do their job as this government has made far more effort than previous Thaksin-oriented governments to please the generals during its tenure.

Whether they've done enough to get police/army to dirty their hands in order to apply the law this weekend remains to be seen - I think they have - but we're sure as hell gonna find out soon.

[Buchholz]

Perhaps there has been. Hopefully, the National Police Chief will clarify later today which prominent figures have been targeted as apparently the expanding conspiracy now includes those under threat besides Yingluck.

Police Major-General Piya Uthayo, National Police Spokesman, said the National Police Chief will today explain every step of the ISA enforcement including protection for the homes of prominent figures.

I guess this will be the latest in face saving. I have to have police guards to protect me from kidnapping - otherwise people will think I'm not important enough!

By his latest statement, we can tick the box for Chalerm as being on the face-saving, important-enough, "prominent figure" roster of VIP's in need of protection.

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[lineofentry]

"...while the police chief expressed fears the protesters may try to kidnap the prime minister."

Well now, that's a convenient rumor/tactic. Reds are getting mighty scared about tomorrow. Heaven forbid democracy and free speech is allowed to exist under their regime.

Democracy means accepting you were beaten at the ballot box, try again next time. Not rent a mob.

[Buchholz]

Which is what tends to happen during coups. Although, arrest as a word suggests a police action. Armies detain people.

What happens constitutionally if the pm and all the deputy pms disappear en masse. That is of course aside from corruption levels going down instantly.

Perhaps its just from his police background that he used that word or just as likely the MCOT reporter used it in his article because that's what his mini-translator came up with.

I vaguely recall reading that if both the PM and Deputy PMs aren't present to perform their duties, then control of the government and cabinet passes to the leader of the largest independent party during the last administration. That would make Chuwit as acting PM.

But, then again, I could have read that on a satire website, so it's not for certain.

[Thai at Heart]

Considering what they got up to last time out likw hijack 4 international airports + close Government house for 6 months.

ISA probably is the minimum precaution.

Failing that may be equip soldiers with automatic weapons and 7mm sniper rifles and close all yellow media outlets.

oops sorry wrong regime that was 2010.

It's not so much a question of how many security measures the government attempts to bring to bear on the situation, it's a question of how determined the security agencies are to implement those measures. When the airports were taken it was clear that neither police or army had the stomach - or should I say political allegiance - to carry out their orders. This time I'd say there's more of a chance they'll do their job as this government has made far more effort than previous Thaksin-oriented governments to please the generals during its tenure.

Whether they've done enough to get police/army to dirty their hands in order to apply the law this weekend remains to be seen - I think they have - but we're sure as hell gonna find out soon.

Its not even about that.

At some point in all these protests courts have passed judgments that they have gone beyond reasonable protest and are illegal.

At a point it isn't legal anymore for people to sit in public areas and inconvenience the general public.

However, the leaders don't care because there its no legal consequence. I for one would make it the case that once it goes beyond that point anyone arrested entering the protest should be arrested.

Then any damage caused in breaking up the protest is paid for by the protesters.

Would anyone have stayed of they were on the hook personally for damaging Central or the airport? It is the fact that everyone stays put for so long that the tension rises.

A couple of days and disperse completely. If you life come back again next week. But no sit in for Weeks and months. everyone defies the courts with impunity us effectually chaos.

[15Peter20]

Considering what they got up to last time out likw hijack 4 international airports + close Government house for 6 months.

ISA probably is the minimum precaution.

Failing that may be equip soldiers with automatic weapons and 7mm sniper rifles and close all yellow media outlets.

oops sorry wrong regime that was 2010.

It's not so much a question of how many security measures the government attempts to bring to bear on the situation, it's a question of how determined the security agencies are to implement those measures. When the airports were taken it was clear that neither police or army had the stomach - or should I say political allegiance - to carry out their orders. This time I'd say there's more of a chance they'll do their job as this government has made far more effort than previous Thaksin-oriented governments to please the generals during its tenure.

Whether they've done enough to get police/army to dirty their hands in order to apply the law this weekend remains to be seen - I think they have - but we're sure as hell gonna find out soon.

Its not even about that.

At some point in all these protests courts have passed judgments that they have gone beyond reasonable protest and are illegal.

At a point it isn't legal anymore for people to sit in public areas and inconvenience the general public.

However, the leaders don't care because there its no legal consequence. I for one would make it the case that once it goes beyond that point anyone arrested entering the protest should be arrested.

Then any damage caused in breaking up the protest is paid for by the protesters.

Would anyone have stayed of they were on the hook personally for damaging Central or the airport? It is the fact that everyone stays put for so long that the tension rises.

A couple of days and disperse completely. If you life come back again next week. But no sit in for Weeks and months. everyone defies the courts with impunity us effectually chaos.

Thank you very much for your response. Some things I agree with, some things I don't but thanks all the same.

[hellodolly]

The only thing Yingluck fears out side of not enough shopping time or Photo Op time is being found out for the inept bungler she is.

But she has a back up plan. My big brother made me say and do it.

[Arkady]

Police claim evidence of plot to kidnap Yingluck.

They're barking up the wrong tree here. There is a plot to kidnap Yingluck but Pitak Siam has nothing to do with it. Over the weekend she put her spell on Obama good and proper. Now the secret service has orders to kidnap her and take her to a safe house until she can be smuggled out on a cargo plane to Guantanamo Bay via Cambodia. After a few months of re-orientation in a Burberry orange jump suit at the US Naval base there, she will be flown to Washington DC where Barry will keep her in a secret basement at the White House and visit her while Michelle is out at her couturier or the hair dresser.

[h90]

how many buildings did the Siam Pitak burn down in anger?

None.What's your point? As I mentioned it's encouraging Pitak Siam have condemned the disgusting behaviour of their fascist thugs.

So there was some light trouble with provocateurs and therefor Pitak Siam are fascist thugs.

When the reds looting shops than it is a fight for democracy.

Maybe you should take off your red googles and come to a balanced view of things.

Pot, kettle, black.....

At that time the PTP looked like they were being denied the right to an election.

When it finally happened they won an absolute majority. End of story until the next election.

Pitak Siam are now inciting public disorder when it is clear that most Thai's ( when

you include the rural voters ) are more than happy to allow the government to

do it's job ?

It never looked like there were no elections....no one ever doubt that there were elections.

And PTP didn't won absolute majority....they bought it with vote buying after they got already twice dissolved for various crimes/fraud/vote buying.

If most Thais are happy with the government, neither you nor I know that unless there is a fair election.

[Buchholz]

Kidnap my ass - what a crock of <deleted>! All cooked up so that the ISA can be enforced when the DPM had already categorically ruled it out on Wednesday and fire up the red shirt mobs int oa frenzy before the PS rally can begin.

According my my wife who works in the area, they have already put up road blocks in some areas and are stopping/preventing people from entering certain areas already - looks like the police are trying to stop this protest before it even starts

Yay for Red Democracy!

Police set up 53 checkpoints along all major roads to Bangkok

Checkpoints lined along all major roads to Bangkok Friday ahead of the scheduled big anti-government rally.

"We have manned 53 checkpoints to search for weapons and drugs, and to deter any attempt by a third party to stir up violence," Provincial Police Region 4 commander Lt General Kavi Supanan said Friday.

-- The Nation 2012-11-23

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Edited November 23, 2012 by Buchholz

[MAJIC]

"Being a democracy is not only about exercising one's freedom. The rule of law must also be observed and obeyed. In exercising one's rights and freedoms, one must not impinge on the rights and freedoms of others," she said.

If you wear a Red Shirt, as many PTP members do,then please ignore the above advice!

[OzMick]

"...while the police chief expressed fears the protesters may try to kidnap the prime minister."

Well now, that's a convenient rumor/tactic. Reds are getting mighty scared about tomorrow. Heaven forbid democracy and free speech is allowed to exist under their regime.

Democracy means accepting you were beaten at the ballot box, try again next time. Not rent a mob.

Ah yes, rent a mob. Funny how when a protest is imminent, prominent red mouthpieces start spouting, without the slightest attempt at providing proof, that payment is being made for attendance. And that those quoting such sources will go to extraordinary lengths to avoid admitting who they are quoting.

I think you have the wrong mob.

[OzMick]

Green light supporters have been attacked by Siam Pitak guards in front of the Royal Turf Club.To be far fair to Siam Pitak organisers they have apologised for these thugs behaviour.Some pf the usual suspects still ranting about red shirt violence?

Well there is violence, and there is violence. If we were to go past a yes/no answer, we could discuss using such terms as frequency and amplitude, but you wouldn't want to do that, would you?