At Least 27 Dead In Connecticut School Shooting - Cbs News

[simple1]

I can see that there are some pro-firearm folks in this forum too but I have a feeling that even they will probably agree with this suggestion of mine : Don't let ANYONE (except people in the army or the police force or folks with a very good reason to own more than 1 firearm, of course) own more than 1 gun (or rifle or whatever). This would be a good start, I think !

Do you seriously believe that US gun owners would trade in their existing weapons as in Australia? In any case 40% of weapons purchased do not require a permit from a State agency e.g. Montana & Kentucky so the government would not even have a reasonably accurate database of who owns the weapons to monitor compliance with legislation; details at http://crime.about.c.../gunlaws_mt.htm

sadly a very distant dream to control weapons ownership

[beechguy]

The Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Conn. has sparked a surge in gun sales, according to independent arms dealers across the nation.

Robert Caselnova, who owns a Connecticut gun shop located less than 10 minutes from the school, said firearms flew off his shelves over the weekend, with multiple requests for AR-15 style rifles, a weapon Adam Lanza used in the Newtown massacre. Caselnova said he knew the Lanzas and that the mother and son had visited his store in the past, separately, but never made any purchases.

http://www.huffingto..._n_2317522.html

20 innocent children from 5-7 years old and 6 adults are murdered and some people start buying even more guns?

"...with multiple requests for AR-15 style rifles, a weapon Adam Lanza used in the Newtown massacre." ?

Something fundamentally is sick and wrong and more people will be hurt or worse in the future

* from the link http://www.huffingto..._n_2317522.html

Statistcally, I don't think a ban on so called asault weapons is going to accopmplish a lot. Have a look at these numbers from the FBI, out of all the homicides, all rifles, not just assault rifles, accounted for a small percentage.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls

[Chicog]

It will take so long to get through the bureauracy that it will all be forgotten about. Until the next mass school/college shooting spree in 6-12 months time.

[uptheos]

The Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Conn. has sparked a surge in gun sales, according to independent arms dealers across the nation.

Robert Caselnova, who owns a Connecticut gun shop located less than 10 minutes from the school, said firearms flew off his shelves over the weekend, with multiple requests for AR-15 style rifles, a weapon Adam Lanza used in the Newtown massacre. Caselnova said he knew the Lanzas and that the mother and son had visited his store in the past, separately, but never made any purchases.

http://www.huffingto..._n_2317522.html

Same thing happened before 1994 ban went into effect. Cut off supply, these weapons could increase in value.

Listening to congress women on Squak Box, I am curious how people think second amendment applies to assault weapons when inky thing available at time law was passed was single shot musket.

We should destroy all guns and reissue these NRA guys muskets. I doubt that would give them their maucho feeling. This issue is perhaps 20 percent about protection and 80 percent about psychological need to feel like a man.

They are probably stocking up before assault weapons are banned.

Need to stock up their underground bunkers.

[chuckd]

Just listened to two senators, (both members of the NRA) who said this latest massacre changes everything and they suggest starting to talk about making changes regarding semi automatics and cartridge magazines. I think one was from West Virginia, didn't catch where the other one was from. It might change everything, but unless Obama starts moving and shaking before it gets forgotten, it will just become a bad memory.

Joe Scarborough?

http://www.huffingto..._n_2315100.html

Joe Scarborough has already "left" town. He was formerly a member of the House and left politics in 2001.

He is now an anchor for a show on that far left cable network, MSNBC.

[LaoPo]

The Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Conn. has sparked a surge in gun sales, according to independent arms dealers across the nation.

Robert Caselnova, who owns a Connecticut gun shop located less than 10 minutes from the school, said firearms flew off his shelves over the weekend, with multiple requests for AR-15 style rifles, a weapon Adam Lanza used in the Newtown massacre. Caselnova said he knew the Lanzas and that the mother and son had visited his store in the past, separately, but never made any purchases.

http://www.huffingto..._n_2317522.html

20 innocent children from 5-7 years old and 6 adults are murdered and some people start buying even more guns?

"...with multiple requests for AR-15 style rifles, a weapon Adam Lanza used in the Newtown massacre." ?

Something fundamentally is sick and wrong and more people will be hurt or worse in the future

* from the link http://www.huffingto..._n_2317522.html

Statistcally, I don't think a ban on so called asault weapons is going to accopmplish a lot. Have a look at these numbers from the FBI, out of all the homicides, all rifles, not just assault rifles, accounted for a small percentage.

http://www.fbi.gov/a.../10shrtbl08.xls

Your statistics show that 8.700+ people (out of almost 13.000 homicides) were murdered with firearms in 2010.

4,221 were murdered without guns

If they would NOT have had those guns, at least a large percentage of those 8,700+, murdered with firearms, would still be alive...

Now it will always be the question: how many?

[beechguy]

The Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Conn. has sparked a surge in gun sales, according to independent arms dealers across the nation.

Robert Caselnova, who owns a Connecticut gun shop located less than 10 minutes from the school, said firearms flew off his shelves over the weekend, with multiple requests for AR-15 style rifles, a weapon Adam Lanza used in the Newtown massacre. Caselnova said he knew the Lanzas and that the mother and son had visited his store in the past, separately, but never made any purchases.

http://www.huffingto..._n_2317522.html

20 innocent children from 5-7 years old and 6 adults are murdered and some people start buying even more guns?

"...with multiple requests for AR-15 style rifles, a weapon Adam Lanza used in the Newtown massacre." ?

Something fundamentally is sick and wrong and more people will be hurt or worse in the future

* from the link http://www.huffingto..._n_2317522.html

Statistcally, I don't think a ban on so called asault weapons is going to accopmplish a lot. Have a look at these numbers from the FBI, out of all the homicides, all rifles, not just assault rifles, accounted for a small percentage.

http://www.fbi.gov/a.../10shrtbl08.xls

Your statistics show that 8.700+ people (out of almost 13.000 homicides) were murdered with firearms in 2010.

4,221 were murdered without guns

If they would NOT have had those guns, at least a large percentage of those 8,700+, murdered with firearms, would still be alive...

Now it will always be the question: how many?

LaoPo, we can try to ban every weapon of every type, and I'm pretty sure some law abiding citizens would surrender theirs, I have serious doubts that any of the criminals would. That's one of the points some seem to miss in these discussions.

[LaoPo]

LaoPo, we can try to ban every weapon of every type, and I'm pretty sure some law abiding citizens would surrender theirs, I have serious doubts that any of the criminals would. That's one of the points some seem to miss in these discussions.

Oh sure, but if firearms are hard to get, the NUMBER of killed people will decrease, no doubt.

[transam]

LaoPo, we can try to ban every weapon of every type, and I'm pretty sure some law abiding citizens would surrender theirs, I have serious doubts that any of the criminals would. That's one of the points some seem to miss in these discussions.

Oh sure, but if firearms are hard to get, the NUMBER of killed people will decrease, no doubt.

NO.

[LaoPo]

LaoPo, we can try to ban every weapon of every type, and I'm pretty sure some law abiding citizens would surrender theirs, I have serious doubts that any of the criminals would. That's one of the points some seem to miss in these discussions.

Oh sure, but if firearms are hard to get, the NUMBER of killed people will decrease, no doubt.

NO.

I'm most interested in your reasons for NO...

If a country (US) has a very limited number of firearms in private possession instead the 270 million now, the murders and killings will go down dramatically but you say NO?

hmmm

[Mosha]

An equity firm which has a 98% stake in the makers of the Bushmaster is selling it's stake. BBC News.

[jpinx]

The Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Conn. has sparked a surge in gun sales, according to independent arms dealers across the nation.

Robert Caselnova, who owns a Connecticut gun shop located less than 10 minutes from the school, said firearms flew off his shelves over the weekend, with multiple requests for AR-15 style rifles, a weapon Adam Lanza used in the Newtown massacre. Caselnova said he knew the Lanzas and that the mother and son had visited his store in the past, separately, but never made any purchases.

http://www.huffingto..._n_2317522.html

20 innocent children from 5-7 years old and 6 adults are murdered and some people start buying even more guns?

"...with multiple requests for AR-15 style rifles, a weapon Adam Lanza used in the Newtown massacre." ?

Something fundamentally is sick and wrong and more people will be hurt or worse in the future

* from the link http://www.huffingto..._n_2317522.html

Statistcally, I don't think a ban on so called asault weapons is going to accopmplish a lot. Have a look at these numbers from the FBI, out of all the homicides, all rifles, not just assault rifles, accounted for a small percentage.

http://www.fbi.gov/a.../10shrtbl08.xls

Tell that to the folks in Happy Valley, Oregon

[folium]

Apart from wishing to commit mass murder, what other "justification" is there for a civilian to own an AR-15?

[beechguy]

The Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Conn. has sparked a surge in gun sales, according to independent arms dealers across the nation.

Robert Caselnova, who owns a Connecticut gun shop located less than 10 minutes from the school, said firearms flew off his shelves over the weekend, with multiple requests for AR-15 style rifles, a weapon Adam Lanza used in the Newtown massacre. Caselnova said he knew the Lanzas and that the mother and son had visited his store in the past, separately, but never made any purchases.

http://www.huffingto..._n_2317522.html

20 innocent children from 5-7 years old and 6 adults are murdered and some people start buying even more guns?

"...with multiple requests for AR-15 style rifles, a weapon Adam Lanza used in the Newtown massacre." ?

Something fundamentally is sick and wrong and more people will be hurt or worse in the future

* from the link http://www.huffingto..._n_2317522.html

Statistcally, I don't think a ban on so called asault weapons is going to accopmplish a lot. Have a look at these numbers from the FBI, out of all the homicides, all rifles, not just assault rifles, accounted for a small percentage.

http://www.fbi.gov/a.../10shrtbl08.xls

Tell that to the folks in Happy Valley, Oregon

I'm pretty sure they understand the guy just would have used a different type of weapon if an AR type weapon wasn't available. Just ask the families of the other 8,000 people that were shot last year. But, that point seems to be missed by many in this thread.

Edited December 19, 2012 by beechguy

[folium]

I'm pretty sure they understand the guy just would have used a different type of weapon if an AR type weapon wasn't available. That point seems to be overlooked by many here.

But tragically the AR-15 was available in a store or gun show near you, with 30, 60 or 100 round magazines, or the more bulky drum magazines if you insist...just what every untrained civilian "needs".

Or how about a Barrett 50 sniper rifle (again available in many states for almost any civilian, and of course to carefully chosen Irish terrorists) to pick off your "deer" at 1000 metres+ , if you knew what you are doing, (but sadly Barrett don't produce ammunition that won't rip your deer apart and spoil the trophy). Having been at the receiving end of one of these delights I can assure you that it has no place in any civilian hand.

Edited December 19, 2012 by Rimmer
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[Scott]

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Please stay on the topic.

[Ulysses G.]

Apart from wishing to commit mass murder, what other "justification" is there for a civilian to own an AR-15?

How about being attacked by a gang of thugs with weapons? Having to cock your pistol or rifle after every shot would get you killed for sure if you were facing more than one assailant. An AR 15 is nothing special. It is just a gun that does not have to be cocked after every shot.

[beechguy]

I'm pretty sure they understand the guy just would have used a different type of weapon if an AR type weapon wasn't available. That point seems to be overlooked by many here.

But tragically the AR-15 was available in a store or gun show near you, with 30, 60 or 100 round magazines, or the more bulky drum magazines if you insist...just what every untrained civilian "needs".

Or how about a Barrett 50 sniper rifle (again available in many states for almost any civilian, and of course to carefully chosen Irish terrorists) to pick off your "deer" at 1000 metres+ , if you knew what you are doing, (but sadly Barrett don't produce ammunition that won't rip your deer apart and spoil the trophy). Having been at the receiving end of one of these delights I can assure you that it has no place in any civilian hand, let alone being sold to terrorist organizations with the aim of killing fellow NATO soldiers, plus the occasional policeman (final score was 7 dead British soldiers plus 2 policemen just in case you were interested, thanks Barrett corporation).

And I guess that would prove gun control doesn't always work in Ireland doesn't it. The fact is the CT shooter chose to use the rifle, instead of the handguns he had with him. I have no doubt he could have killed just as many with those handguns, considering their magazines can hold 13-17 rounds, and a 10mm or 9mm is plenty powerful to kill an adult.

[chuckd]

An OPINION piece from an Australian.

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Opinion

America, don’t repeat Australia’s gun control mistake

11:01 AM 01/19/2011

Ben-Peter Terpstra

After the Port Arthur massacre in 1996, media hysteria and bipartisan political support for punishing gun owners increased. As a consequence, our gun laws were tightened.

We could have all responded like rational human beings and grieved for the deceased (35 in all). Instead, militant anti-gun activists viewed the massacre as an opportunity, and set out to punish freedom.

...and the article concludes with...

Gun control is a myth, or rather a mountain of myths sustained by campaigning elites in secure buildings with armed bodyguards: the myth that if law-abiding citizens hand their guns over to the big government to burn, then we will enter a new peace; the myth that if we feel that we are gun controllers, then we are humanitarian citizens even when statistics undermine our self-praising image; and the myth that punishing thousands of farmers and sporting shooters, for the crimes of others, will bring healing. But we (meaning anti-gun Australians) were (and are) wrong.

Read more: http://dailycaller.c.../#ixzz2FSbD1uUu

[folium]

Apart from wishing to commit mass murder, what other "justification" is there for a civilian to own an AR-15?

How about being attacked by a gang of thugs with weapons?

And of course that is a daily event in Newtown, CT or similar such neighbourhoods across the USA? So much so that every soccer mum needs a minivan and an AR-15 with all the latest accessories for those ambush situations and firefights on the school run..

http://www.surefire.com/mag5-100.html

[F430murci]

I'm pretty sure they understand the guy just would have used a different type of weapon if an AR type weapon wasn't available. That point seems to be overlooked by many here.

But tragically the AR-15 was available in a store or gun show near you, with 30, 60 or 100 round magazines, or the more bulky drum magazines if you insist...just what every untrained civilian "needs".

Or how about a Barrett 50 sniper rifle (again available in many states for almost any civilian, and of course to carefully chosen Irish terrorists) to pick off your "deer" at 1000 metres+ , if you knew what you are doing, (but sadly Barrett don't produce ammunition that won't rip your deer apart and spoil the trophy). Having been at the receiving end of one of these delights I can assure you that it has no place in any civilian hand, let alone being sold to terrorist organizations with the aim of killing fellow NATO soldiers, plus the occasional policeman (final score was 7 dead British soldiers plus 2 policemen just in case you were interested, thanks Barrett corporation).

And I guess that would prove gun control doesn't always work in Ireland doesn't it. The fact is the CT shooter chose to use the rifle, instead of the handguns he had with him. I have no doubt he could have killed just as many with those handguns, considering their magazines can hold 13-17 rounds, and a 10mm or 9mm is plenty powerful to kill an adult.

Really, you apparently don't know too much about energy transfer and muzzle velocity of various weapons. .223 at 2700 + is going to shatter bone and emulsify organs and tissue. People survive multiple hits from 9mms and pistols unless using 5.70. Hits from high MVs maim if not kill.

There is a reason the Bushmaster was selected. Even if they only cause a 1,000 deaths a year, there is no legimate purpose for one in a civilized society. The danger these impose far outweighs any benefit.

Yeah, they need to do away with clips larger than 10 rounds in handguns also. The problem is getting this crap off streets, but the solution is not to sell more. That is some backwoods logic of the Knob Creek boys.

[F430murci]

Apart from wishing to commit mass murder, what other "justification" is there for a civilian to own an AR-15?

How about being attacked by a gang of thugs with weapons? Having to cock your pistol or rifle after every shot would get you killed for sure if you were facing more than one assailant. An AR 15 is nothing special. It is just a gun that does not have to be cocked after every shot.

Haha, that is ridiculous. This rates up there with the guns don't kill people stuff. AR-15 shreds flesh and holds a lot if flesh shredding bullets.

Seriously, are you going to be strutting around the streets with your AR-15 everyday for rest if your life just in case you get surrounded by the Bloods or the Crips. Stay off crack and out of their hood and you will probably completely safe. Sounds like movie Fallen Down. All we need are crackpots walking around the streets with Assault Weapons.

Truth is, dudes carry guns to compensate and feel manly. See Psychology Today article I posted a page back to see the real deal with the need for guns. Has nothing to do with protection. That's just excuse.

[simple1]

An OPINION piece from an Australian.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Opinion

America, don’t repeat Australia’s gun control mistake

11:01 AM 01/19/2011

Ben-Peter Terpstra

After the Port Arthur massacre in 1996, media hysteria and bipartisan political support for punishing gun owners increased. As a consequence, our gun laws were tightened.

We could have all responded like rational human beings and grieved for the deceased (35 in all). Instead, militant anti-gun activists viewed the massacre as an opportunity, and set out to punish freedom.

...and the article concludes with...

Gun control is a myth, or rather a mountain of myths sustained by campaigning elites in secure buildings with armed bodyguards: the myth that if law-abiding citizens hand their guns over to the big government to burn, then we will enter a new peace; the myth that if we feel that we are gun controllers, then we are humanitarian citizens even when statistics undermine our self-praising image; and the myth that punishing thousands of farmers and sporting shooters, for the crimes of others, will bring healing. But we (meaning anti-gun Australians) were (and are) wrong.

Read more: http://dailycaller.c.../#ixzz2FSbD1uUu

This persons information is completely incorrect. Shooters can be licensed in Australia to obtain weapons such as rifles & shotguns, but with some constraints. Have a look below & tell me why the USA gun lobby cannot accept similar restrictions rather than a rant.

An example; Category C Semi-automatic rimfire rifles holding 10 or fewer rounds and pump-action or semi-automatic shotguns holding 5 or fewer rounds. Category C firearms are strongly restricted: only primary producers, occupational shooters, collectors and some clay target shooters can own functional Category C firearms. For details for all categories and restrictions on weapons categories in Australia, go to http://en.wikipedia....cs_in_Australia

Edited December 19, 2012 by simple1

[Ulysses G.]

Apart from wishing to commit mass murder, what other "justification" is there for a civilian to own an AR-15?

How about being attacked by a gang of thugs with weapons?

And of course that is a daily event in Newtown, CT or similar such neighbourhoods across the USA?

It does not need to be a daily event. If your family is attacked once by a number of assailants, an AR 15 or a Glock could be the difference between life and death.

[Ulysses G.]

Apart from wishing to commit mass murder, what other "justification" is there for a civilian to own an AR-15?

How about being attacked by a gang of thugs with weapons? Having to cock your pistol or rifle after every shot would get you killed for sure if you were facing more than one assailant. An AR 15 is nothing special. It is just a gun that does not have to be cocked after every shot.

Haha, that is ridiculous. This rates up there with the guns don't kill people stuff. AR-15 shreds flesh and holds a lot if flesh shredding bullets.

If a gun is meant to protect against armed criminals, shredding flesh is the whole point.

[Scott]

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Please stay on-topic.

[DocN]

You gun- fans still don't get it, do you?

The points you make for having a gun in your possession are plain stupid!

a) you constantly praise the USA as the best democracy in the world, with the most freedom ever and laugh about Europe, where you think, people have less freedom! Still you fear, your government (especially the Obama- government) is gonna overthrow democracy tomorrow, if you don't own guns! Do you REALLY believe, that anyone with even the most effective automatic riffle would stand a chance, if the US Army wants your house? Even more: do you REALLY believe the crap you are telling?

b ) We get it! In your paranoid little world, there are millions of drug dealers, terrorists, gangs, thieves and rapists out there and they are just waiting for you to put your gun down, to get you! What kind of life are you leading in constant fear of all kinds of evil? It's the USA, not some refugee- camp in Darfur!

c) You need MORE guns, to prevent massacres! You just need ONE gun, in the hand of a trained security guard and take care that NO ONE ELSE has a gun, to mess around with!

d) NO ONE is 1) taking your guns away or 2) says, that strikter gun- control will prevent these kinds of events FOR EVER!

People who are for stricter laws, just want a better control on who has a gun! No under-teh counter- sale of "second hand" guns, no gun-show sales etc. This will prevent people to get guns, who are clearly not able to handle them or to guarantee a minimum of safety in the storage of them OR prevents people with children or mentally- ill family members, to have them?

Is that so hard to understand?

The mom of the Sandy Hook- shooter was a) totally scared that the USA would turn into a anarchic wasteland a' la Mad Max, after the worldwide recession. Who TF gave her that idea? I know who, you know who...but it is factual idiotic! b ) for that reason (Mad Max) was convinced she needed to arm herself and teach her 2 boys, how to shoot! One of them being mentally unstable. c) She obviously had the arsenal stored in an easy to reach place. Easy to reach for her mentally- challenged boy, who took it and killed almost 30 people with it!

Stricter gun- laws MAY have prevented that and MAY have had the effect, that almost 30 families would now celebrate a "norma;" American christmas and not the saddest holiday EVER! Are we (the people FOR gun- control) 100% sure, it would have prevented this and other cases? No! Is it likely, though? YES! Will the USA be oeverrun tomorrow by maroding troops that take away your freedom? NO! Even if Obama is a black man, he is no gang- leader, but the President of the United States. And contrary to what Rush Limbar tells you everyday: he is neither a fascist nor a communist...not even a socialist!

So stop your paranoid whimpering, honor the victims of this sad, sad and horrible event and let's talk about SENSIBLE gun- control!

[F430murci]

Apart from wishing to commit mass murder, what other "justification" is there for a civilian to own an AR-15?

How about being attacked by a gang of thugs with weapons? Having to cock your pistol or rifle after every shot would get you killed for sure if you were facing more than one assailant. An AR 15 is nothing special. It is just a gun that does not have to be cocked after every shot.

Haha, that is ridiculous. This rates up there with the guns don't kill people stuff. AR-15 shreds flesh and holds a lot if flesh shredding bullets.

If a gun is meant to protect against armed criminals, shredding flesh is the whole point.

Your no better than them if you want to go around shredding flesh. Maybe if more if mankind was focused on things other shredding flesh we won't have 27 dead.

BTW, was that the whole point to shred as much flesh as possible with these 20 first graders. Did we really need .223 walking into that school?

[Ulysses G.]

If violent criminals attack my family, I want to put them out of action and a musket is not going to be much help.

I can buy the argument about getting rid of ALL guns, but not the one about only banning semi-automatic weapons. Single shot weapons are not very good for self-defence. The problem is that getting rid of all guns at this point in the US is next to impossible and criminals will still be armed to the teeth. .

Edited December 19, 2012 by Ulysses G.

[submaniac]

You gun- fans still don't get it, do you?

The points you make for having a gun in your possession are plain stupid!

a) you constantly praise the USA as the best democracy in the world, with the most freedom ever and laugh about Europe, where you think, people have less freedom! Still you fear, your government (especially the Obama- government) is gonna overthrow democracy tomorrow, if you don't own guns! Do you REALLY believe, that anyone with even the most effective automatic riffle would stand a chance, if the US Army wants your house? Even more: do you REALLY believe the crap you are telling?

b ) We get it! In your paranoid little world, there are millions of drug dealers, terrorists, gangs, thieves and rapists out there and they are just waiting for you to put your gun down, to get you! What kind of life are you leading in constant fear of all kinds of evil? It's the USA, not some refugee- camp in Darfur!

c) You need MORE guns, to prevent massacres! You just need ONE gun, in the hand of a trained security guard and take care that NO ONE ELSE has a gun, to mess around with!

d) NO ONE is 1) taking your guns away or 2) says, that strikter gun- control will prevent these kinds of events FOR EVER!

People who are for stricter laws, just want a better control on who has a gun! No under-teh counter- sale of "second hand" guns, no gun-show sales etc. This will prevent people to get guns, who are clearly not able to handle them or to guarantee a minimum of safety in the storage of them OR prevents people with children or mentally- ill family members, to have them?

Is that so hard to understand?

Understand, the pro gun people in the United States is not a small group of people living in a shack in the woods preparing for doomsday. It's the majority of people in the United States. http://www.cnn.com/2...rica/index.html

There are an estimated 310 million civilian firearms in the United States. 47% of people who responded to a Gallup poll in 2011 stated that they had at least one firearm. 49% of the polled people said that protecting gun rights was important. 46% stated that stricter firearms laws was more important.

So we're talking about 150 million people or so in the United States with guns, and who are strongly pro-gun.

So out of this 150 million people, just because some nutjob comes every two years and kills a large number of people, the other 150million people who are law abiding citizens doing no harm to anyone should be made to give up their guns.

The problem is not guns, it is the mental health system of the United States that does not keep the lunatics off the street. It's laws like HIPAA which protects patient privacy, so that the doctors can't alert authorities that someone is mentally ill and should not have a gun. The privacy of a lunatic in keeping his mental illness private supercedes the rights of 150 million law abiding citizens?

Edited December 19, 2012 by submaniac