P A D Leaders Fail To Show Up, Warrants Sought: Anti-Thaksin Protests 2008

[smutcakes]

I am surprised given that the police force are in the reds pockets (according to TV) that the police have not picked these lot up yet...............

[AleG]

Awww... they are inconvenienced by the court date.

I think they need a visit from a few police officers carrying the Do-As-I-Say stick and be herded to court.

[Baerboxer]

Anyone (Red or Yellow) who fails to attend court following a summons is in contempt of court. They should be arrested and held in custody until the case is heard in court which could take many more months.

Agree 100%

Unfortunately there is a man in Dubai who seems to have set a trend.

All great leaders lead from the front,all the rest follow.

Not always true. Many academics and theorists believe truly great leaders create the right environment to delegate and empower people. Shared values and visions, regular dialogue and an encouragement for contiuous self development are part of this.

[Thait Spot]

I am surprised given that the police force are in the reds pockets (according to TV) that the police have not picked these lot up yet...............

The answer you seek is in the OP

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[smedly]

there must be more political activists MP's and officials being processed through the Thai courts than any member of the public or criminal - enough the Thai the courts up for a few decades - quite funny really

[sirchai]

Never had too many red shirts before. Wear mostly yellow ones. Full Stop!--

[hellodolly]

Put Sonthi and Jamlong in jail for the Government House and airport seizure. 5 years should be about right.

Nattawut, Jatuporn, Arisaman, etc should join them soon, though the former will wriggle around claiming parliamentary immunity.

Those three should get more time. They all deserve time. what they did was wrong. They both made Thailand look like a banana republic while costing it billions of dollars. One cost over 90 lives most of which were needless as the red shirts had come to an agreement twice and then backed out of it. It was an agreement that could have saved 80 lives.

Put them all in the same jail and leave them there until they can come up with a practical workable plan to improve the life of the Thai;s and end corruption. No time limit take as long as they like.

[whybother]

Put Sonthi and Jamlong in jail for the Government House and airport seizure. 5 years should be about right.

Nattawut, Jatuporn, Arisaman, etc should join them soon, though the former will wriggle around claiming parliamentary immunity.

Those three should get more time. They all deserve time. what they did was wrong. They both made Thailand look like a banana republic while costing it billions of dollars. One cost over 90 lives most of which were needless as the red shirts had come to an agreement twice and then backed out of it. It was an agreement that could have saved 80 lives.

Put them all in the same jail and leave them there until they can come up with a practical workable plan to improve the life of the Thai;s and end corruption. No time limit take as long as they like.

The protesters turned down the election offer before anyone was killed.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2010/03/28/live-tv-thai-pm-vs-antigovernment-protesters.html

[muttley]

Meanwhile Sondhi and his pals fail to show at court.

Other more pressing matters to attend to, according to their lawyer.

Ho-hum

Well Sondhi is busy calling in favours to keep him out of jail for the 5th time - but this time it's a "serious" 20 years for corporate fraud.

And probably wondering how much longer he and 12 other PAD leaders can get away without paying the $17 million dollar fine they were given back in March last year?

Edited December 23, 2012 by muttley

[muttley]

Put Sonthi and Jamlong in jail for the Government House and airport seizure. 5 years should be about right.

Nattawut, Jatuporn, Arisaman, etc should join them soon, though the former will wriggle around claiming parliamentary immunity.

Those three should get more time. They all deserve time. what they did was wrong. They both made Thailand look like a banana republic while costing it billions of dollars. One cost over 90 lives most of which were needless as the red shirts had come to an agreement twice and then backed out of it. It was an agreement that could have saved 80 lives.

Put them all in the same jail and leave them there until they can come up with a practical workable plan to improve the life of the Thai;s and end corruption. No time limit take as long as they like.

The protesters turned down the election offer before anyone was killed.

http://www.thejakart...protesters.html

What? From your source;

Abhisit has repeatedly rejected the protesters' demands that he dissolve Parliament and call new elections.

Edited December 23, 2012 by muttley

[edwinchester]

I am surprised given that the police force are in the reds pockets (according to TV) that the police have not picked these lot up yet...............

One of my wifes friends is a low ranking officer in the RTPF. At the last election she complained to my wife that all the police in her station were 'encouraged' to vote PT and that it would reflect negatively on them if they didn't.

[whybother]

What? From your source;

Abhisit has repeatedly rejected the protesters' demands that he dissolve Parliament and call new elections.

Yes, and:

Abhisit went on national television earlier in the day saying he would not bow to ultimatums. Two hours later, however, he agreed to the talks.

[Hugo6]

What? From your source;

Yes, and:

Abhisit went on national television earlier in the day saying he would not bow to ultimatums. Two hours later, however, he agreed to the talks.

which is obviously not the same thing as what you said.

The protesters turned down the election offer before anyone was killed.

http://www.thejakart...protesters.html

Maybe you should instead say that Abhisit refused to call for elections before the protestors started dying.

back to you.

[whybother]

Yes, and:

Abhisit went on national television earlier in the day saying he would not bow to ultimatums. Two hours later, however, he agreed to the talks.

which is obviously not the same thing as what you said.

The protesters turned down the election offer before anyone was killed.

http://www.thejakart...protesters.html

Maybe you should instead say that Abhisit refused to call for elections before the protestors started dying.

back to you.

IIRC, in those meetings, the red shirt leaders were offered elections, which was accepted. But after an SMS, it was rejected. Was that a different meeting between Abhisit and the red shirt leaders that was televised?

[Rimmer]

Inflammatory post and quoted reply removed.

[righteous]

^^

Yes, you are correct. The Red Shirt leaders were offered elections...However, not in the form they wanted, therefore requiring modification and negotiation in order to reach an agreement. Always keep in mind the difference....An offer is not an agreement. It is an opening to discussion if you wish.

Lets just grant you the claim that they received an SMS...unsubstantiated, but for argument sake here lets say that is true.......Who was Abhisit receiving SMS's from?... There are a number of people behind any negotiation team.....There were behind the UDD/Red Shirts and also Abhisit....unless you will try to claim he was a Lone Ranger....which everyone knows would not be true.

So yes, it may be true that the Red Shirts received input from Thaksin, but the pro-Abhisit crowd studiously avoids speculating who was pulling Abhisits chain.

All that said...the fact remains that Abhisit made an offer, he refused to negotiate to an agreement, preferring to "let the dogs out" so to speak.

The pro-Abhisit spin of the dastardly Red Shirts refusing a very generous offer, and deserving what they got, conveniently ignore the fact that an offer is not an agreement. Refusal to negotiate to an agreement will play prominently in those legal entanglements of both Abhisit and Suthep.....And this from a gnarled old Labour Negotiator.

Edited December 25, 2012 by righteous

[chooka]

I'm neither for or against these people but..

PAD lawyer Nitithorn Lamlua told the public prosecutors that the PAD leaders wanted to postpone the arrangement because some were busy with other activities and did not want to confront red-shirt leaders who were appearing at court for other cases.

​Is a very poor excuse for not going to court when summoned..

Agree, regardless of colour if you are summoned to appear then you appear. None of this sorry but I have to sort out my sock drawer and then wash my hair bullshite

[whybother]

^^

Yes, you are correct. The Red Shirt leaders were offered elections...However, not in the form they wanted, therefore requiring modification and negotiation in order to reach an agreement. Always keep in mind the difference....An offer is not an agreement. It is an opening to discussion if you wish.

Lets just grant you the claim that they received an SMS...unsubstantiated, but for argument sake here lets say that is true.......Who was Abhisit receiving SMS's from?... There are a number of people behind any negotiation team.....There were behind the UDD/Red Shirts and also Abhisit....unless you will try to claim he was a Lone Ranger....which everyone knows would not be true.

So yes, it may be true that the Red Shirts received input from Thaksin, but the pro-Abhisit crowd studiously avoids speculating who was pulling Abhisits chain.

All that said...the fact remains that Abhisit made an offer, he refused to negotiate to an agreement, preferring to "let the dogs out" so to speak.

The pro-Abhisit spin of the dastardly Red Shirts refusing a very generous offer, and deserving what they got, conveniently ignore the fact that an offer is not an agreement. Refusal to negotiate to an agreement will play prominently in those legal entanglements of both Abhisit and Suthep.....And this from a gnarled old Labour Negotiator.

What form of elections did they want? What other forms of elections are there?

Did Abhisit receive any SMS's during negotiations? Maybe the red shirt leaders should have the person there that could speak for the red shirts. Obviously they weren't in a position to do that.

Abhisit made an offer of elections. The red shirts accepted and then rejected the offer. They put more conditions on what they wanted which were rejected by Abhisit.

Negotiations failed because neither could accept the conditions the others wanted. Negotiations failed and Abhisit wasn't going to step down under the threat of violence. Do you think a government should step down when ever any mob gets together and threatens violence and burning of buildings?