Pattaya ( Slum )

[Blackandwhite]

Well Pattaya, what to say, is there anything good to say about this place ? What does it have going for it ? I can see now why condo's are so cheap. Pattaya has condo's for 2 million that would cost you 4 anywhere else. Also I can see a high end market also, rentals do not match purchase prices that indicates only one thing to me that the place is not investable nor a place to live unless you want to live in Thailand but can't afford to live anywhere else. Shocked at the state of the beaches, streets, general poor service in all restaurants, shops service poor, expensive, lots of concerning criminal action, lots of what I can see too be Russian involvement in nightlife, not sure this is good or bad. Other than a do the place once to see how things are its not a place for Thailand to show off about. When I read my lonely planet travel book years ago Pattaya had an okay section with lots of information now little is said. Maybe as there is not lots to be said other than about nightlife.

[yoslim]

Pattaya is the only place I would like to live in Thailand, #1

[ARGUSEYE]

Not a single word of a lie in this post!!

I could not have written a better one.

[Rimmer]

If this turns into a Pattaya bashing thread it will be closed pretty quick without warning so constructive posts only please

[Yahooka]

Have to agree with a lot of the things your saying,but this is also true for many places here in LOS.At the moment Pattaya suits me fine,but in maritime therms Im here on DP at the moment and aren`t ready to anchor up yet !!

Edited April 11, 2013 by Yahooka

[canman]

Have to agree with a lot of the things your saying,but this is also true for many places here in LOS.At the moment Pattaya suits me fine,but in maritime therms Im here on DP at the moment and aren`t ready to anchor up yet !!

You have an anchor out while on DP???

The ops post has certainly started out as a Pattaya bashing rant. I lived there for 4 years with wife and family and we enjoyed it. It is one of those types of places where you need to learn where the good service and good people are. Plenty of positives about Pattaya but can't be bothered to list them, it has been done to death on previous "Pattaya is a hole" threads.

[Yahooka]

"You have an anchor out while on DP??? "......nope....still on DP,canman .

[Blackandwhite]

Not wishing to bash the place just changed so much over the years just wondering if there is anything I missed that is good, I fully understand as I have experienced Pattaya on a fun level it does have a certain draw. But other than the obvious night life ect for me nothing to draw me back.

[yogi100]

'lots of what I can see too be Russian involvement in nightlife, not sure this is good or bad'.

Given the hordes of Russians that now visit Pattaya I'd say they have a negligible involvement in the night life. Like any travel companies the Russian ones send their reps out to place ads that will attract the Russian punter. These ads are mutually beneficial to the Thai restauranteur, the punter and the tour company.

When Spain began attracting British visitors in the 1960s UK reps would supply the Spanish businesses with ads for 'Fish and Chips' or 'Tea Like Mother Makes'. German companies also did the same and now the Russians are following suit. It's normal procedure in the holiday trade.

It'll be interesting to see what happens next week when drunken falangs think it fun to drench an unsuspecting Igor and Olga when they are dressed up and going out for the evening.

Edited April 11, 2013 by yogi100

[Kabinretiree]

Crikey.....not again? Pleeeeaaase leave Thailand and go and find somewhere else that is perfect for you to live, and then don't tell us about it. OK?

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[jimmybkk]

Hmmm... Interesting post. The OP decides to open a thread in the Pattaya Forum which he presumably knows is frequented by a lot of Pattaya residents and proceed to tell us what a sh1thole we live in and we only live here because we're all poor and can't afford to live in the "nice" parts of Thailand. LOL.... Contentious to say the least...

[ROBINPATTAYA]

I agree with everything said in the post. The place has gone down I feel & is riddled with the crime & corruption that usually follows progress in any country.

I am currently in Malaysia looking for somewhere to settle & to see if I miss Pattaya. I live on the darkside & rarely go into town of an evening because the traffic is horrific & there is generally no where to park. In the daytime, I take the bike because you can at least get a park somewhere.

The bad service is in most restaurants & shops, possibly excluding Central, they have some training programs in place in most stores.

The development is rampant & there is very rarely any infrastructure for the increase in traffic that this development generally causes.

Most roads are appalling & the footpaths are not fit to walk on, those that are will have a food cart stopping your progress.

Beach Road is a joke with all the rental bikes & cars as well as food carts & the shops taking over the footpath from Mikes to WS.

The widening at the Northern end will still congest at Walking Street, they never plan a project to completion.

They have been laying pipes in Khao Talo & ripped up heaps of roadway, guess where they start to lay the new concrete for the new road, in the middle of all the disaster rather than at one end. Complete fools with no planning in place.

Pattaya needs to be taken over by a new group in City Hall, the current ones have too many vested interests playing out to be impartial about progress.

Edited April 11, 2013 by ROBINPATTAYA

[OMGImInPattaya]

I have lived in Pattaya for over a decade and have generally enjoyed my time here. I have seen it grow from a rough and ready rest and recreation destination for the world's batchelors and not batchelored men worldwide to the mixed fun, recreation, family, mass tourism destination it has become. The housing, shopping, eating, and partying choices available to residents and visitors are heaps better than before. Of course, this has also brought about negative consequences as well, including a massive increase in traffic congestion and what I have really noticed the past year of so, poor service in many retail and eating establishments because of a shortage of labour.

What really concerns me is the massive condo, hotel, and retail developments both in construction and planned. I am not opposed to growth but there is no increase in road surface to accommodate the increase in car and buss traffic leading to ever increasing traffic congestion. I see the quality of life in pattaya decreasing over the next decade because of this and it becoming almost a suburb of Bangkok (especially with the high-speed rail line connecting the two cities).

I am seriously considering a move to another location in Thailand, possibly Chiang Mai. While no place is going to be perfect, for my retired and relaxed slow-lane lifestyle, it may be a more appropriate choice for me now.

[rgs2001uk]

I have lived in Pattaya for over a decade and have generally enjoyed my time here. I have seen it grow from a rough and ready rest and recreation destination for the world's batchelors and not batchelored men worldwide to the mixed fun, recreation, family, mass tourism destination it has become. The housing, shopping, eating, and partying choices available to residents and visitors are heaps better than before. Of course, this has also brought about negative consequences as well, including a massive increase in traffic congestion and what I have really noticed the past year of so, poor service in many retail and eating establishments because of a shortage of labour.

What really concerns me is the massive condo, hotel, and retail developments both in construction and planned. I am not opposed to growth but there is no increase in road surface to accommodate the increase in car and buss traffic leading to ever increasing traffic congestion. I see the quality of life in pattaya decreasing over the next decade because of this and it becoming almost a suburb of Bangkok (especially with the high-speed rail line connecting the two cities).

I am seriously considering a move to another location in Thailand, possibly Chiang Mai. While no place is going to be perfect, for my retired and relaxed slow-lane lifestyle, it may be a more appropriate choice for me now.

poor service in many retail and eating establishments because of a shortage of labour.

I wouldnt say there is a shortage of labour, what strikes me is, people thinking this is the Thailand of 15 years ago, people thinking all they have to do is pay minimum wage of 300 baht per day and for that they expect someone with fluent English skills.

There are plenty of workers available, but they aint moving to Pattaya to work for peanuts, I have seen examples of salaries being offered 8,10 or 12k per month, those are factory wages for people with minimal education.

I read an advert today, van drivers wanted in Bkk, 20k per month.

If you want to run a business you had better wisen up and pay the going rate for the job, plus benefits, Thais have choices now, best of luck to them.

I dont see the stores in Central having a problem recruiting, next time you are in Central have a look on the board advertising vacancies and see whats on offer, can you at least match these wages?

[pattayadingo]

Cheap? Pattaya? Not compared to other places I have been. Yet again, I do not buy or rent condos.

Outside of Pattaya I rented houses for 3K and 5K per month. Both 2 bed 2 bath places. you will not get those prices in Pattaya unless you are well outside of the central areas..

A condo I did look at up north was massive for 4K per month. You could swing several cats around in it.

The studio box rooms available here in Pattaya are cheap because they are so small.

What has Pattaya got going for it?

It is friendly - in the main - and foreigner orientated. You can get to speak to people in your own language. A vast variety of foreign food and restaurants. Cheap Baht buses to truck you about. Plenty of venues to watch multiple sports on a weekend. More English music than almost anywhere else in Thailand.

No problems with registering cars, m/c and taxing them, unlike some places I've tried in areas with few foreigners.

I can get almost anything I need here and I can usually get the help I need too if I am stuck for something.

Yes, Pattaya has its drawbacks, but it also has a lot going for it. You either love it or hate it and there are plenty in both categories.

Not a perfect place, but where is? Utopia?

[guzzi850m2]

I have lived in Pattaya for over a decade and have generally enjoyed my time here. I have seen it grow from a rough and ready rest and recreation destination for the world's batchelors and not batchelored men worldwide to the mixed fun, recreation, family, mass tourism destination it has become. The housing, shopping, eating, and partying choices available to residents and visitors are heaps better than before. Of course, this has also brought about negative consequences as well, including a massive increase in traffic congestion and what I have really noticed the past year of so, poor service in many retail and eating establishments because of a shortage of labour.

What really concerns me is the massive condo, hotel, and retail developments both in construction and planned. I am not opposed to growth but there is no increase in road surface to accommodate the increase in car and buss traffic leading to ever increasing traffic congestion. I see the quality of life in pattaya decreasing over the next decade because of this and it becoming almost a suburb of Bangkok (especially with the high-speed rail line connecting the two cities).

I am seriously considering a move to another location in Thailand, possibly Chiang Mai. While no place is going to be perfect, for my retired and relaxed slow-lane lifestyle, it may be a more appropriate choice for me now.

I agree pretty much with that.

I would also like to relocate to Chiang Mai but the yearly burning of the fields put me off, it's very harmful to you and since we got a boy in school we can't just move out when it happens.

And Beach Road was flooded today and it's was only raining for 2 hours, dear me.

[Riverman63]

Slum? OP needs to check out Indian and Brazilian slums on google for a reality check.

[Spalpeen]

Pattaya bashing threads always tell you more about the poster than the place.

[guzzi850m2]

Slum? OP needs to check out Indian and Brazilian slums on google for a reality check.

Now we are at it, don't forget Manila and Townships in South Africa.

[Rajab Al Zarahni]

I feel the same way about Vladivostok added to which, the climate there is terrible !

[ROBINPATTAYA]

I have lived in Pattaya for over a decade and have generally enjoyed my time here. I have seen it grow from a rough and ready rest and recreation destination for the world's batchelors and not batchelored men worldwide to the mixed fun, recreation, family, mass tourism destination it has become. The housing, shopping, eating, and partying choices available to residents and visitors are heaps better than before. Of course, this has also brought about negative consequences as well, including a massive increase in traffic congestion and what I have really noticed the past year of so, poor service in many retail and eating establishments because of a shortage of labour.

What really concerns me is the massive condo, hotel, and retail developments both in construction and planned. I am not opposed to growth but there is no increase in road surface to accommodate the increase in car and buss traffic leading to ever increasing traffic congestion. I see the quality of life in pattaya decreasing over the next decade because of this and it becoming almost a suburb of Bangkok (especially with the high-speed rail line connecting the two cities).

I am seriously considering a move to another location in Thailand, possibly Chiang Mai. While no place is going to be perfect, for my retired and relaxed slow-lane lifestyle, it may be a more appropriate choice for me now.

poor service in many retail and eating establishments because of a shortage of labour.

I wouldnt say there is a shortage of labour, what strikes me is, people thinking this is the Thailand of 15 years ago, people thinking all they have to do is pay minimum wage of 300 baht per day and for that they expect someone with fluent English skills.

There are plenty of workers available, but they aint moving to Pattaya to work for peanuts, I have seen examples of salaries being offered 8,10 or 12k per month, those are factory wages for people with minimal education.

I read an advert today, van drivers wanted in Bkk, 20k per month.

If you want to run a business you had better wisen up and pay the going rate for the job, plus benefits, Thais have choices now, best of luck to them.

I dont see the stores in Central having a problem recruiting, next time you are in Central have a look on the board advertising vacancies and see whats on offer, can you at least match these wages?

There isn't a shortage of labour, just a shortage of Thais willing to work.

Any hard or dirty job is done by Khmers or Burmese, you will very rarely see a Thai work hard.

Every construction job, road building job or heavy labouring is always devoid of any Thais.

They have become basically lazy in Pattaya because they would rather scam or live off a farang rather than work.

Sad but true

[bartender100]

To the OP if Pattaya is the <deleted> of Thailand, what were you doing? passing though?

Edited April 11, 2013 by bartender100

[Blackandwhite]

Pattaya bashing threads always tell you more about the poster than the place.

I am not bashing Pattaya as I said I found it on a personal level poor and feel it has changed so much for the worse, I would see no point living there as for me it has very little of what I feel is important when choosing a place to settle. All said we are all different and I find from experience we all find different values acceptable. Up to you - up to me !! Enjoy Pattaya if you like cool.

[Spalpeen]

Pattaya bashing threads always tell you more about the poster than the place.

I am not bashing Pattaya as I said I found it on a personal level poor and feel it has changed so much for the worse, I would see no point living there as for me it has very little of what I feel is important when choosing a place to settle. All said we are all different and I find from experience we all find different values acceptable. Up to you - up to me !! Enjoy Pattaya if you like cool.

Cheerio then !

[krisb]

I'd like to buy a condo in Pattaya just so I can boast to my mates here in Australia.

[krisb]

I have lived in Pattaya for over a decade and have generally enjoyed my time here. I have seen it grow from a rough and ready rest and recreation destination for the world's batchelors and not batchelored men worldwide to the mixed fun, recreation, family, mass tourism destination it has become. The housing, shopping, eating, and partying choices available to residents and visitors are heaps better than before. Of course, this has also brought about negative consequences as well, including a massive increase in traffic congestion and what I have really noticed the past year of so, poor service in many retail and eating establishments because of a shortage of labour.

What really concerns me is the massive condo, hotel, and retail developments both in construction and planned. I am not opposed to growth but there is no increase in road surface to accommodate the increase in car and buss traffic leading to ever increasing traffic congestion. I see the quality of life in pattaya decreasing over the next decade because of this and it becoming almost a suburb of Bangkok (especially with the high-speed rail line connecting the two cities).

I am seriously considering a move to another location in Thailand, possibly Chiang Mai. While no place is going to be perfect, for my retired and relaxed slow-lane lifestyle, it may be a more appropriate choice for me now.

poor service in many retail and eating establishments because of a shortage of labour.

I wouldnt say there is a shortage of labour, what strikes me is, people thinking this is the Thailand of 15 years ago, people thinking all they have to do is pay minimum wage of 300 baht per day and for that they expect someone with fluent English skills.

There are plenty of workers available, but they aint moving to Pattaya to work for peanuts, I have seen examples of salaries being offered 8,10 or 12k per month, those are factory wages for people with minimal education.

I read an advert today, van drivers wanted in Bkk, 20k per month.

If you want to run a business you had better wisen up and pay the going rate for the job, plus benefits, Thais have choices now, best of luck to them.

I dont see the stores in Central having a problem recruiting, next time you are in Central have a look on the board advertising vacancies and see whats on offer, can you at least match these wages?

There isn't a shortage of labour, just a shortage of Thais willing to work.

Any hard or dirty job is done by Khmers or Burmese, you will very rarely see a Thai work hard.

Every construction job, road building job or heavy labouring is always devoid of any Thais.

They have become basically lazy in Pattaya because they would rather scam or live off a farang rather than work.

Sad but true

Must be a Pattaya thing they get lazy. My in-laws work bloody hard compared to any Aussies I know.

[BlackPuddingBertha]

I am seriously considering a move to another location in Thailand, possibly Chiang Mai. While no place is going to be perfect, for my retired and relaxed slow-lane lifestyle, it may be a more appropriate choice for me now.

You are not alone.

[BlackPuddingBertha]

I would also like to relocate to Chiang Mai but the yearly burning of the fields put me off, ...

You are not alone either.

[JSixpack]

Pattaya bashing threads always tell you more about the poster than the place.

I am not bashing Pattaya as I said I found it on a personal level poor and feel it has changed so much for the worse,

No, you generalized to everyone:

nor a place to live unless you want to live in Thailand but can't afford to live anywhere else

Not I but you. So, yes, you're just having a little bash. Sour grapes, most likely.

Yawn. What you said and what will be said this stereotypical thread has all been said before ad nauseum. Before there was a thaivisa.com, it was said in weekly letters to the Pattaya Mail. The last nail in the coffin, the goose killed that laid the golden eggs, everybody's moving to Cambodia, etc. All been said since long ago and repeated here once a month or so; where've you been?

Most of us like living here and many old timers find it has changed for the better except for the traffic. Nobody ever came here for the beach anyway or great service in the shops. We do like having a Central, Villa, Tukcom and lots more choices of where to live, eat, shop, drink, party, go to the hospital, send the kids to school, etc. We CAN afford to live elsewhere but we're just going to continue to like living here.

Inflation and exchanges rates have hit Thailand everywhere.

You forgot to whinge about the sidewalks (I know every possible whinge). They've always been <deleted>, always will be <deleted>, and nobody ever came here for those either.

So, don't let the proverbial door hit u on ur ass on the way out.

[PattayaPhom]

Pattaya Rocks!!!